/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10740612]

is organic food a meme?

[Anonymous No.10740633]

>>10740612
bottom poster is a redditor

[Rrrrrrr No.10740638]

Somewhat. The organic food you find is still just another big corporation.
The food you want to eat is locally grown, spray free.
Gmo is only bad in a few cases the way it is used currently. Golden rice is good. Corn dowsed with herbicides and insecticides are the problems.

[Anonymous No.10740654]

>>10740612
anti-gmo lobby is not a real thing, and saying modern gmo is the same as selective breeding is just being intentionally obtuse. Basically reddit personified.

[Anonymous No.10740656]

>>10740638
You could just export all your oil and bio fuel needs to Indonesia and trash that environment, and the world. Hey, at least it's not in my backyard!

[Anonymous No.10740658]

>>10740612
>selective breeding is the same as gene splicing

hm

[Anonymous No.10740675]

>>10740658
It's not the same but they are related and equally harmless.
A lot of retards out there seem to think GMO means there are dangerous chemicals in the food or that it's somehow bad for them. That's obviously not the case, although some plants are specifically modified to work better with some chemicals during growing. (i.e. modified to be resistant to weed killers)
Selective breeding alone can do a lot anyway. The many derivatives of brassica is a great example of that.
And the Belgian Blue of course, which I'm told actually produces really flavourless meat.

[Anonymous No.10740706]

>>10740675
The EU banned them not for scientific evidence or reasons, but for muh feels.

[Anonymous No.10740711]

>>10740706
That, sadly, does not surprise me at all.

[Anonymous No.10740715]

>>10740706
See also: Germany shutting down all nuclear powerplants

[Anonymous No.10740717]

>>10740675
No one is against GMO because "it's somehow bad for them" you stupid redditor, it's because companies like Monsanto use this technology to make plants resistant to roundup which is heavily carcinogenic. The modern agriculture industry over relies on chemicals being added to the process, not only in terms of herbicide and pesticide, but also in terms of enriching the soil which gets depleted by monocrop intensive farming.
They also add "suicide genes" which make the plants unable to produce seeds and when those cross pollinate wild types and neighboring farms you're literally toying with a nightmare scenario. Shut the fuck up with your moron posting you are not a farmer and not in agriculture study or you would know this shit and know the huge and real concern that academics and farmers alike are trying to overcome.

[Anonymous No.10740720]

>>10740717
roundup has been banned in the civilized world
suicide genes are litterally not in any crop. They're a patent and proof of concept
You literal Redditor

[Anonymous No.10740723]

>>10740717
You're wrong, buddy.
I hate Monsanto and their practices as much as the next guy but there are PLENTY of idiots out there who think GMO is somehow dangerous. That's also why they love to use the "Franken-" prefix when discussing it.
Frankencorn sounds like it's green and smelly and will try to strangle you. It doesn't sound like it was made by a heartless corporation to earn money by outselling local farmers.

As for sounding like a redditor; your overuse of childish insults doesn't make you fit in here any faster, buddy.

[Anonymous No.10740924]

>>10740717
GMO is just a technology. It's not ineherently good or bad.
It's like hating the internet just because some people use it for evil purposes.
>when those cross pollinate wild types and neighboring farms you're literally toying with a nightmare scenario
this is just bullshit from the anti-GMO propaganda. Also, seeds with "terminator genes" are not being commercialized right now.
>academics
those are like 99% pro-GMOs

[Anonymous No.10740930]

>>10740717
>hurrr durr conventional plants don't use more roundup than GMOs
Slit your throat New Ager, your talking points are rehashed, stale, and wrong.

[Anonymous No.10740979]

>>10740612
Theres a difference between being bred for centuries and being genetically engineered. All these foods came from this one plant by selective breeding. The GMO lobby is much larger and far more reaching than the "non-GMO". That "water is a chemical" BS is nonsense. Everything is a chemical but the chemicals they spray in the soil and on the plants causes dead zones in the sea.

GMOs could be a good thing, I just doint trust companies like Monsanto to put profits ahead of the potential harm they could cause.

[Anonymous No.10740990]

>>10740924
>GMO is just a technology. It's not ineherently good or bad.
>It's like hating the internet just because some people use it for evil purposes.

Agreed. But the problem is that GMOs are always used for "evil" purposes. Well, perhaps not evil in the true sense of the word. But my gripe is that we've used GMOs to make foods cheaper but we've sacrificed taste in the process. I'll gladly pay more money for heirloom crops that actually taste good as opposed to buying flavorless GMO garbage for less money.

[Anonymous No.10741129]

>>10740990
Pretty much. I have a feeling the pro-GMO shills are the same people who say bland plastic cheese is totally the same thing as DOCG cheese made with labor intensive traditional methods using raw milk and so on (if you disagree you hate capitalism)

Basic free market mechanisms guarantee that GMO is first going to be used in ways that align with the interests of quantity-oriented, race-to-the-bottom monocroppers, whose market advantages are based on stuff like "how much pesticides can I get away with spraying" or "how much can I abuse this shipment before it has to be converted into industrial ethanol", rather than taste or quality

As a consumer none of that serves my interests, so why should I welcome it? Because at some undetermined point 50 years from now, market forces and new technologies might eventually make my food taste better? That's all fine and good but none of that is my concern, for now please label it, so I know which ones to avoid.

[Anonymous No.10741148]

>>10741129
Agreed in general, but one of the major goals of GMOs is to *reduce* the number of pesticides used. Pesticides and herbicides are costly. So is their application. One reason why farmers choose to buy GMO seed is because it reduces their pesticide costs.

>>As a consumer none of that serves my interests
that of course depends on the consumer. It seems that we would gladly pay more money for a tastier crop. But many consumers don't give a shit and they WANT cheaper cheaper cheaper. I suspect that many people from the more recent generations don't even know what they are missing since they've never had proper meat or produce. Everything they've eaten since they were a baby was flavorless factory farmed shit from wally world.

[Anonymous No.10741176]

>>10740990
>>10741129
GMO's for human consuprtion are banned here.
That bland tomato you had is non-GMO BTW, they aren't commercially available

[Anonymous No.10741205]

I don't mind saying that I've made a LOT of money off organic rubes.

[Anonymous No.10741342]

>>10740654
actually, it reeks of astroturf

[Anonymous No.10741353]

>>10740706
the reason is that a sufficient number of people are uncomfortable being fed genetically modified organisms without being informed. that's a fair exercise of a the sovereign right of a citizenry, tbqh

[Anonymous No.10741373]

i think it's telling that companies producing GMO's fight against mere labelling requirements as well as outright bans. if the GMO really is a superior product, wouldn't you trumpet that every single chance you got? the fact that it has to be snuck into the food supply/environment has a really sinister ring to it, like, oopsie, guess you've been eating mutant corn for awhile now ha ha so now you have to keep eating it ha ha

[Anonymous No.10741383]

>>10740717

roundup is a significant improvement over what came before it.

[Anonymous No.10741403]

>>10741373
>if the GMO really is a superior product, wouldn't you trumpet that every single chance you got?

GMO is certainly superior for the farmer. Whether or not it's superior for the customer depends on the customer. Customers who put price above all else probably love GMOs. Customers who are afraid of what they don't understand, or who care about flavor, don't like GMOs.

[Anonymous No.10741408]

>>10741403
>GMO is certainly superior for the farmer
If the farmer is the same company as the company that owns the DRM, sure

[Anonymous No.10741422]

>>10740612
No, organic should extend to 'home-grown' and we should all try and reduce our dependency on buying assembly line products and food made out of man-made chemical compounds derived from various animal by-products and/or basic chemicals that you can't (or reeeeally shouldn't and wouldn't) consume by themselves.
And it's true, the conditions of a lot of farms around the globe are out of fucking control and should really treat their livestock, and by extension their customers, with a little more dignity and professional respect.
Honestly, we're too populated. That's all it is. I know a farmer who even told me that the FDA won't allow ANY cows milk to be bought and sold if ANY hormones and foreign whatevers are found in their milk, so when you read a bottle that brags about being free-___ or ___-free and non-___ whatever you can rest assured it's another marketing scam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B59OEsNzz0s
You shouldn't expect people to to tell the truth for your sake, or to tell you the facts and show you the evidence for YOUR personal sake. Modern day advertising has been manipulated more than corn and chickens, and for no great benefit but the sake of someone else's wallet.

[Anonymous No.10741440]

>>10741408
It's got nothing to do with DRM, foolio. Buying GMO seed lets farmers use smaller amounts of pesticide and herbicide. It's not like anyone is forcing them to buy GMO seed as opposed to the alternative. They willingly choose to buy GMO seed because it reduces costs.

[Anonymous No.10741447]

>>10741440
That's about as intellectually honest as saying poor people in the ghetto "willingly" go to payday loan centers that offer 900% interest rate loans

On some level, yeah, personal responsibility and all that jazz

On another, it's morally abohorrent, and defending these practices is something only shills and teen edgelords who just read The Fountainhead would do

[Anonymous No.10741463]

>>10741373
people don't really understand what GMOs are and would be deterred to buying things if it were on the package, which could potentially spike demand for non-gmo things and allow producers to raise costs

[Anonymous No.10741465]

GMOs are fine people just use them as a scapegoat for eating processed and fast food their entire lives.

[Anonymous No.10741482]

>>10741447
>That's about as intellectually honest
nowhere close to the same thing. Nobody is forcing farmers to buy GMO crops. Have you ever been to a fucking feed store? You can buy whatever seed you want right there, GMO or otherwise.

>>On another, it's morally abohorrent
Which part, exactly? Personally I think the real blame lies in the laws that allow genes to be patented. That's really the root of all the problems. Well, that and the fact that most customers don't give a shit about quality or environmental concerns and only care about muh price and muh convenience (other examples: wal-mart and corporate fast food)

[Anonymous No.10741507]

>>10740612
>GMO is weird crazy chemicals
>nuh-uh, splicing genes and selective breeding are LITERALLY the same thing
it's always a bit funny and a bit sad to watch two brainlets addressing eachother's arguments on matters they know nothing about

there should be some site that collects these moments of heated debate on "serious topics" between sub-standard IQ posters
inb4 you're posting on it right now

[Anonymous No.10741551]

>>10740654
This I can never understand how these people seem to think this way that humans over thousands of years selecting the tallest corn from the Harvest is the same as a Jewish scientist injecting an animal protein into a plant in five seconds

[Anonymous No.10741556]

Genetically modified organisms were created to feed the NeverEnding populations of white trash Negroes and spics.

There is no way you poverty losers could afford to eat meat everyday unless you were buying the corn GMO sludge mud lot beef for 1.99 a lb

[Anonymous No.10741561]

>>10741556
Lol this

[Anonymous No.10741567]

>>10740612
Organic food is just a fancy way of saying farmed the way things were before the industrial revolution. It's bullshit people spout to sound better than the plebs. "i paid more for this because a farmer used actual shit to fertilize it and the yields were smaller, that makes me better than all these garbage people who are too poor for whole foods."

[Anonymous No.10741568]

>>10740612
>anti-GMO lobby

This sounds made up

[Anonymous No.10741571]

>>10741567
Yes you are garbage if you are poor thanks for admitting it and thanks for admitting that the only reason GMOs exist is for you poverty fags

[Anonymous No.10741573]

>>10741556
meat should have remained a high-quality luxury item desu, mosy obese poorfags would really benefit from replacing all that deep-fried chicken with veggies

[Anonymous No.10741574]

>>10741403
>care about flavor
What GMO's have you eaten?

[Anonymous No.10741579]

>>10741574
It's not just GMOs, it's nearly all industrialized agriculture has sacrificed taste for price and selection.

[Anonymous No.10741584]

>>10741567
Nah, more like:

>>I paid more for these crops because they actually taste good

CAFE has fucked flavor.

[Anonymous No.10741600]

>>10740612
GMOs are bred to be Roundup resistant-Roundup is a carcinogen. They are dousing GMOs in poison and it makes it way into your body.

[Anonymous No.10741602]

>>10741373
>Pretending people are informed on the issues
80% of Americans want stickers on any food containing DNA lmao

[Anonymous No.10741611]

>>10741600
While I'm not defending GMOs, you might as well get your facts straight. While Roundup isn't totally safe, it's a fuck of a lot better than what it has replaced.

[Anonymous No.10741617]

>>10741579
>let me just move the goalpost completely
Ok

[Anonymous No.10741624]

>>10741600
But some GMOs are also made to be resistant to disease and pests so that less herbicides/fungicides/pesticides/etc are needed for the crops?

[Anonymous No.10741638]

>>10741600
you know right that there are thousands of different GMOs and only a few of those were created for the purpose of resisting roundup?

[Anonymous No.10741645]

>>10741463
And the price spike would cause an increased demand for cheaper GMO crops in the long run. Poor people don't fucking care as much as the very wealthy, so there wouldn't be an issue.

[Anonymous No.10741661]

>>10740717

[Anonymous No.10741672]

>>10741617
who moved anything, anon? I've maintained for years that industrialized agriculture--whether GMO or not--has traded flavor for lower price. GMOs are simply one example, but the problem certainly isn't limited to them.

[Anonymous No.10741686]

>>10741205
Thank u based dude scam those fucking hippies. God I hate hippies.

[Anonymous No.10741809]

>>10741672
Customers who care about favor are still costumers buying industrially produced produce and meat

[Anonymous No.10741823]

>>10741809
Some are. Others get their food from hunting, growing their own veggies, or buying from small non-industrial sources like farmer's markets and places which sell old-school heritage products.

[Anonymous No.10741913]

>>10741823
>buying from small non-industrial sources
these are the only customers
Farmers markets always suck.
My grandpa grew all of his own vegetables and my dad a couple. It was the same as decent storebought food. Grandpa's own pork was a little better though; chicken was worse

[Anonymous No.10741926]

>>10741913
>>farmers markets suck
some do. don't shop there and finder better ones.

>>muh grandpa
Just because your family couldn't do better than storebought doesn't mean that applies to everyone.

>>grandpa's chicken was worse
I'm guessing that was a failure in cooking an older bird. It's nearly impossible to believe that the meat of a backyard hen doesn't taste miles better than a factory farmed one. I think that chicken is one of the easiest example to see the difference in quality between CAFE and the alternative. Of course, if you get someone that doesn't realize that you have to cook chickens of different ages via different methods...well...yeah. If you treat an older chicken like a fryer then you're destined for failure.

[Anonymous No.10741951]

>>10741926
>ever putting chicken in a fryer
Nigga, my uncle still sells his shit on farmers markets. It's a scam for urban suckers.
The only storebought food that's really shitty is something like Edyptian import strawberries that are just water

[Anonymous No.10742529]

>>10741913
>same as decent storebought food
Literally impossible unless he used strains developed for image, transport and storage and stored them in a warehouse for several weeks before eating. Or he could have been like my grandpa who grew up in the depression so let the veg get humongous before picking, even radishes, carrots, cucumbers and summer squash so they were flavorless and pithy. Anyone who says homegrown is the same as groceries has either never had them or eaten ones grown by extra chromosome inbreds.

[Anonymous No.10742792]

>>10740612
You may not like it, but this is what peak twitter-activism looks like

[Anonymous No.10742967]

>>10742792
What, the gmo lobby idf showing up on the internet? They crawl out from under their rocks and post here too. You can be sure the gmo labrats and executives aren't allowing their kids to eat that garbage. It's all well and good to give it to the starving hordes who will at least get 20 more years of life before succumbing to cancer, but the whores in congress should be lashed with a cat-o-nine-tails for permitting it in 90% of US processed food. Furthermore, if they're so proud of gmo's why did they spend millions buying those whores off to prevent labeling products as containing gmo's? Ironically, it's backfired and products labeled non-gmo are btfo of unlabeled. Get it out of the US, you fucking Bayer krauts!

[Anonymous No.10743012]

>>10740612
the difference between market food and what you can grow yourself is extreme
but the "bio" label is simply a way to go around the law and using certain things instead of the known one to achieve basically the same result, which is to get your money
if you want bio grow it yourself or go to a farmer, dont check for the bio label in a market

[Anonymous No.10743124]

>>10740612
American organic food is, but most of Europe organic is very much protected by laws

[Anonymous No.10743163]

>>10740658
lol you aren't even comparing apple to apples here, please educate yourself. both processes you described are man made. we selected for factors we liked and selectively bred the offspring and cross polinated with other breeds to produce heartier stock resistant to disease, drought, etc. gene splicing is the exact same process only much much more controlled and precise. you dont even know wtf you're attempting to criticize. pathetic.

[Anonymous No.10743516]

>>10742967
That's nice, gramps.

[Anonymous No.10743520]

>>10743163
And in a shorter period of time
>but muh frankentomatozz