/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.10932400]

How do we persuade people to ditch meat? Since game show hosts and actors can became US presidents its proof that you can persuade people to do pretty much everything.

[Anonymous No.10932412]

>>10932400
>How do we persuade people to ditch meat?
Pay me to do it.

[Anonymous No.10932413]

>>10932400
ORANGE MAN BAD
also stop consuming protein, where we are going you won't need any gains, go- err guys!

[Anonymous No.10932422]

Require everyone be bitten by a lone star tick infected with the bacteria that makes people allergic to meat. Wala!

[Anonymous No.10932425]

>but how am I gonna get muh protein you cucked soiboi!! Hurr

[Anonymous No.10932430]

>>10932413
The /pol/baby got his diaper wet...

[Anonymous No.10932432]

>>10932430
>>10932425
>OP thinks we can't tell it's him

[Anonymous No.10932440]

>>10932400
>ditch meat
that's what me and the boys call OP's mom lol

[Anonymous No.10932493]

tell them meat is racism

[Anonymous No.10932542]

>>10932440
Fucking kek!

[Anonymous No.10932544]

>fatasses who sit on their gaming chair all day legitimately think they need over 150g of brotons per day

[Anonymous No.10932545]

>>10932400
You don't. Also, two genders, two scoops, two terms.

[Anonymous No.10932549]

>>10932440
Got em

[Anonymous No.10932553]

>>10932400
Give me a reason to stop eating meat that isn't "muh animals".

[Anonymous No.10932561]

>>10932553
cow farts melt glaciers and makes polar bears unhappy and they club baby seals

[Anonymous No.10932568]

>>10932561
*eskimo cries single tear

[Anonymous No.10932572]

but why ditch meat?
There is literally meat that is grown in labs that is chemically, texturally, and in all other ways exactly the same as farmed meat except it doesn't come from butchered animals.
In several years it will be commercially available.

Meat isn't even bad for you. As long as you don't want to live to the ripe old age of 150 there are no direct downsides to eating meat.

[Anonymous No.10932586]

>>10932561
>polar bears
>ice waiters

Still "muh animals"

>Ice caps
Okay I could see that, but even if demand for beef goes down, we would have to cull those cows to reduce emissions. Isn't cow holocaust like... anti vegan?

[Anonymous No.10932593]

>>10932572
Eating vat grown "meat"

Nah, miss me with that. Meat comes from a dead animal.

[Anonymous No.10932601]

>>10932400
Get vegan girls to open bob for carnists when they don't eat meat. Eventually it will trigger a pavlovian response and they'll start avoiding meat on their own.

[Anonymous No.10932606]

>>10932593
Get over it. If you don't kill it yourself you don't deserve to eat it anyway bitch.

[Anonymous No.10932625]

>>10932606
It's not some macho thing. It's literally about not wanting to eat protein slurry manufactured in a factory that could have anything in it.

With real meat, at least you know that grass and feed went in one end, shit came out the other, and there was a cow in between that became steak.

>Inb4 antibiotics and steroids
Buy organic

[Anonymous No.10932627]

>>10932625
animals in the wild can have anything in them too

[Anonymous No.10932629]

>>10932625
It's literally muscle tissue that has been cloned and grown. When your heart gives out the same shit is gonna be put inside you.

You put factory shit down your fatass mouth on the daily already. How many fuckers have handled your meat from farm to table anyway?
I guarantee your organic butcher didn't wipe his shitstained hands before cutting your meat up. Or worse, he used the same gloves that had meat juice sitting at body temp. all over them for the past hour or six.

[Anonymous No.10932638]

>>10932629
That's a lot of assumptions to make with completely no basis.

You can have your protein slurry and your soy food replacements and your factory assembled frozen meals. I'm going to keep eating real food.

[Sol No.10932641]

>>10932400
Tell then that the WHO declared all processed meat carcinogenic (in the same level as tabacco) and all Red meat (not organic) as possible contributors to cancer.
Of course go without saying that Cholesterol is associeted with THE WORST WESTERN DISEASES

[Anonymous No.10932642]

>>10932638
>No basis
You ever been around humans?

[Anonymous No.10932644]

>>10932627
Like what, exactly? That deer ate grass and brush every day of its life up until my bullet went through it. As long as it isn't sick you're good.

[Sol No.10932651]

>>10932641
Sauces
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/carcinogens-in-meat/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/saturated-fat-cancer-progression-2/
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-do-we-know-that-cholesterol-causes-heart-disease/

[Anonymous No.10932654]

>>10932651
Yet people have, and still, live to 90+ years of age.

If you don't gorge yourself daily on a diet of 80% red meat you have to be a statistical outlier to succumb to these conditions.

[Sol No.10932666]

>>10932654
>Yet people have, and still, live to 90+ years of age.
Not in america ma dude.
''Life expectancy in the United States has decreased for the second year in a row, the first back-to-back drops in more than 50 years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports

[Anonymous No.10932672]

>>10932666
Average life expectancy has never been 90 in any country, anywhere, at any time.

But people still regularly live to 90+. That's how averages work.

[Anonymous No.10932674]

>>10932666
>Can't read the rest of post
>Cherrypicks arguments
K

[Sol No.10932687]

>>10932674
Guilty.
>>10932654
And it it recommended to consume less then 3 time a week.

[Anonymous No.10932695]

>>10932672
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7360761/100-year-old-woman-says-drink-and-cigarettes-keep-her-young.html

One of THE oldest People drank reguraly and smoked her entire life time. So it must be healthy

[Anonymous No.10932700]

>>10932687
>Steak night
>Lamb night
>Chicken night
>Fish night
>Misc night
>chicken again because cheap.
>Vegan night to prove to cucks that you don't need to eat blandass bullshit to be vegan
Hey, I'm safe.

[Anonymous No.10932707]

>>10932695
3/4 of my grandparents ate a tonne of meat, drank like fish and smoked like chimneys, dying at 91, 88 and one still living at 94

The other one died at 76, but melanoma in Australia by a railroad builder/gardening enthusiast white man is pretty predictable.

[Anonymous No.10932718]

>>10932440
Sick fucking burn.

[Sol No.10932728]

>>10932707
>ma family don die
WOW EVIDENCE

[Anonymous No.10932744]

>>10932687
It's reccomended to eat meat 2 servings per day. That's 6-8 oz. Two burger patties or a half-pound steak. People eat too much meat but 3 servings per week is bullshit unless you're cutting weight since meat is so calorie dense.

[Sol No.10932751]

>>10932700
You are but the animals aren't.
>muh animals

[Sol No.10932757]

>>10932744
RED ORGANIC MEAT.
But industry factory processed meat. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous No.10932758]

>>10932400
Provide a tastier alternative.

[Anonymous No.10932760]

>>10932758
Provide a better feeling than heroin

[Anonymous No.10932763]

>Sol
cringe
>meat and cigarettes
Based

[Anonymous No.10932764]

>>10932400
God made animals for us to eat
Get over it

[Anonymous No.10932770]

>>10932764
God doesnt exist. Deal with it ;)

[Anonymous No.10932775]

So uhhh youu got long term studies showing meat and smoking is cancerogenic? Well uhhh my aunt eats sausage everyday and she fine, what now libshits????!?!

[Anonymous No.10932779]

>>10932400
It's already happening, albeit slowly. I think that by showing people that a vegan diet can provide all of the nutrients that you need AND taste good, we can slowly convert some people. Of course many people are too stubborn in their ways to even consider the idea, but I can see that changing within a few generations.

[Anonymous No.10932784]

>>10932400
>How do we persuade people to ditch meat?

Why would 'we' want to?

[Anonymous No.10932787]

>>10932784
Because its healthy. Also fat carnivors are an eyesore

[Sol No.10932789]

>>10932784
1-Less suffering
2-Less animals to feed
3-specicism is not moral

[Anonymous No.10932798]

>>10932784
It's ethically, environmentally, nutritionally and sustainably superior.

[Anonymous No.10932800]

>>10932400
Propaganda.

[Anonymous No.10932807]

>>10932789
>>10932798

[Anonymous No.10932810]

>>10932787
>Because its healthy.
It's true that eating too much meat is unhealthy. But eating *less* meat is healthier than eating no meat. So why not promote that instead if your goal is optimum health?

As for eyesores, yeah, fat people are indeed eyesores regardless of what they eat.

[Sol No.10932822]

>>10932810
>But eating *less* meat is healthier than eating no meat
Sauce plz

[Anonymous No.10932828]

>>10932810
There is no such evidence. Eating meat is bad, brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10932831]

>>10932798
>It's ethically
Subjective.

>>environmentally
Nope. A local diet that contains meat is more environmentally friendly than a meat-free one. this happens because the enviornmental impact of shipping vegetables in outside of the growing season requires more fuel and pollution than eating small amounts of locally raised meat instead. This is why old peasant farmers would fatten up a pig for the winter. The pig eats farm waste that would otherwise be thrown away and it provides food when plants don't grow in the winter.

>>nutritionally
Nope. Many vital nutrients are far more bio-available from animal sources than they are from vegetable ones. The most nutritionally perfect diet would be mostly veggies with small amounts of animal products, especially organ meats. This has been documented in diet studies among professional athletes.

[Anonymous No.10932832]

>>10932831
Pls provide source for all those gobledygook, moron

[Anonymous No.10932835]

Plenty of room for all of God's animals, right next to the mashed potatoes

[Anonymous No.10932838]

>>10932757
No.

[Anonymous No.10932839]

>>10932835
But god doesnt exist

[Anonymous No.10932840]

>>10932822
>Sauce plz
You can easily research the bioavailability of vital nutrients and determine which food sources are the best for each individual one. Omega-3 is a great example. Yes, plants contain it but we humans don't digest it well. We get it far more efficiently from fish, for example.

Plants good meat bad is far from perfect, just like any other attempt at black-and-white generalization.

[Anonymous No.10932842]

>>10932840
So no source. Thanks for playing, retard.

[Anonymous No.10932843]

>>10932839
[Citation Needed]

[Anonymous No.10932846]

>>10932842
sources are for jews. /ck/ is a Christian board

[Anonymous No.10932848]

>>10932843
Your virginity.

[Anonymous No.10932853]

>>10932831
The "local meat" argument is basically null because a VAST majority of meat comes from large scale animal agriculture corporations that are the largest contributers to deforestation.
A vegan diet can also be fortified to include all of the nutrients needed from animal products without the downsides such as cholesterol.
I suppose ethics are subjective, but mass killing of innocent living beings is pretty fucked up no matter how you paint it. You can be an edgelord and say you don't care about animal lives or that you think humans somehow deserve that meat, but there's really no excuse when so many alternatives are readily available.

[Anonymous No.10932856]

>>10932842
so you're saying that your dumb generalization is 100% correct?

Source please.

[Sol No.10932857]

>>10932840
A vegan diet is suitable for every age and stage of life.
-Academy of nutrition and dietetics.

[Anonymous No.10932862]

>>10932856
No, theres a lot of research to support my claims. Yours... Not so much... I would say zero.

[Anonymous No.10932868]

>>10932857
Then why do I get over a hundred thousand hits when I google "vegan diet child dies malnutrition"

It even seems to affect babies that are breast-fed by Vegan mothers.

[Anonymous No.10932873]

>>10932848
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.10932875]

>>10932868
Episodic evidence. If youd go back on /pol/youd see its stated on the sticky that its a fallacy you stupid hick

[Sol No.10932892]

>>10932868
Probably few deaths reported by various media outlets.
Omnivores kids also die from malnutrition.
But people don't make scandals about it.

[Anonymous No.10932893]

>>10932862
>"There's SO many sources to support me."
>"No, I won't provide any."
C'mon my guy, that's not a good look, I'm sure there ARE some sources, you just sound lazy as hell.

[Anonymous No.10932895]

>>10932875
Not to mention omnivore kids getting heart attacks...

[Anonymous No.10932898]

>>10932853
>The "local meat" argument is basically null because a VAST majority of meat comes from large scale animal agriculture corporation
You can simply advocate that people eat local meat, the same way you're advocating "no meat".

>>A vegan diet can also be fortified to include all of the nutrients needed from animal products
Yes, it can. But isn't that proof positive that the diet is lacking? Otherwise why would it even need supplementation in the first place?

>> but mass killing of innocent living beings is pretty fucked up no matter how you paint it
I agree. But that's life. What exactly do you think happens when pic related runs through a farm field?

I'm not happy about the fact that animals die. But I also know that's the way that nature works. It's impossible for anything on this planet to live without having done so on the backs of the dead. It's the cycle of nature.

>>so many alternatives are readily available.
the alternatives are no better. Sure, a vegan diet might not involve a literal slaughterhouse so it's easy to ignore the deaths involved, but let's not pretend that vegans don't have blood on their hands either. You have any idea how many pest animals (Rats, mice, birds) a large farm or food storage facility kills so they don't taint our food supply?

[Anonymous No.10932899]

>>10932893
For what?

[Anonymous No.10932904]

>>10932862
>No, theres a lot of research to support my claims
Name a single source that claims that 100% of the time vegetables are more nutritious than meat.

Name a vegetable source that can compete with liver for Iron, or fish for Omega3. Remember to account for bio-availability. do you even track your micros or do you just parrot DURR veg better because that's what your silly religion tells you to?

[Anonymous No.10932908]

>>10932898
This "localy grown meat" is a great idea. Meat would become sooooo expensive people would simply switch to plant based food. Fucking brilliant.

[Sol No.10932911]

>>10932898
Meat is fortified as well.
Vegans can't get all nutrition because some minerals and vitamins are 'literally' in the dirt that is cleaned off when harvesting.(b12 and such)
B12 that is put on in Feed for animals because omnivores lack this vitamin as well.

[Anonymous No.10932919]

>>10932904
>that 100% of the time vegetables are more nutritious than meat.
Strawman

>compete with liver for Iron
In what sense? You just eat more plants to compensate

>Remember to account for bio-availability
Geewhiz I better consume my nutrients from.a burnt carcass drenched in burnt fat and acrolein because muh bioavalability

>because that's what your silly religion tells you to
What? Im not advocating for christianity

[Anonymous No.10932925]

>>10932898
I suppose the counter arguments come to down to ethics, isn't it better to choose the diet that doesn't involve unnecessary killing?
As long as we can easily fortify or supplement the diet, I don't believe it is lacking.
You are right about the inevitability of death in farming, but the death of pests is preferred to the death of pests AND 56 billion livestock each year, not counting sea life.

Veganism isn't about being a perfect diet, but reducing harm whenever possible.

[Anonymous No.10932953]

>>10932925
Cont.
Also local meat wouldn't really work out because of the expenses. In our society people will always choose what's cheapest. A vegan diet is actually much cheaper (in my experience.)
Sorry for the shit formatting, I'm a mobileposter. I gotta go but thanks for the discussion and I hope I've presented my side well man.

[Anonymous No.10932960]

>>10932606
HANG UP THE PHONE AND MAKE ME WHY DONTCHA

[Anoɳymous No.10932999]

My gf and I are celebrating our anniversary this saturday. She's vegetarian, trying to eat vegan.
Please suggest a dish I can make to aptly celebrate this occasion.

[Sol No.10933023]

>>10932999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlVy-tpEZoA

[Anonymous No.10933040]

There is no definitive argument against meat that can't be drawn back to "ok so western capitalism is a failure." Hundreds of countries have been eating meat products for centuries and it only became a problem once industrial farming came into existence. That's an issue in itself because it produces more than any population could ever eat to over saturate the market and keep prices low.

If you were smart (most vegans aren't, I don't blame you), your argument would center around abandoning factory farming and reintroducing seasonal crop growing, sustainable small farming, and proper usage of the blank landscapes that covers so much of north and south America. Remember, things are only an issue if done improperly and unregulated, which is exactly why factory meat farming poses such an issue. What's worse is that American factories have moved to foreign countries to exploit cheap foreign labor, so make sure to vote and lobby for people who support local economy and vilify shipping our food labor over seas.

[Anonymous No.10933054]

>>10932999
>vegan gf
Does she eat cum? Defo an animal product.

[Anonymous No.10933058]

I literally just shot a rabbit with my miniature crossbow. That fucker tasted GOOD.

Serves him right for coming in my yard.

[Sol No.10933097]

>>10933058
RAD.
Kill as many rabbits as you want.
Just don't create a factory and slit 3 rabbits throats mechanically a minute while forcefeeding then the nutrients you need.
And if eating a helpless small animal wasnt mainly enough.
>my miniature crossbow.
KK

[Anonymous No.10933100]

>>10933097
stop me
oh yeah, you can't
proceed to reeeee more

[Sol No.10933114]

>>10933100
No one is stoping you.
Make your miniature factory and chase your little animals with your miniature crossbow.

[Anonymous No.10933115]

>>10933100
>Are you mad yet huh???
No one cares, retard. learn to read

[Anoɳymous No.10933122]

>>10933023
Thanks for the recipe. I should have specified: I make the main course, she does the dessert. Looks excellent, but a sugar free cake is not what I am personally looking for
>>10933054
I can consent to it being harvested, unlike most animals

[Sol No.10933127]

>>10933122
You can add sugar.
There is a Lasagna in the same channel look it up.
:))

[Anonymous No.10933129]

I literally started doing the opposite a few days ago. All you need is meat.

[Anonymous No.10933133]

A simple (in theory) solution would be to stop subsidizing the meat industry with our tax dollars, and instead use that money to make vegetables cheaper. Probably won't happen, given how much power the meat lobbies have.

[Anonymous No.10933142]

>>10932572
Industrially-raised meat is way worse for our planet and environment than it is for us. I really hope that artificial meat will become universally popular, so we can stop converting rain forests into pasture for cattle.

[Anonymous No.10933163]

>>10933142
Agreed that Industrial meat is awful, but you don't have to avoid ALL meat just to avoid industrial meat.

And let's face it, Industrial produce isn't much better....from all perspectives, really: taste, nutrition, and environmental harm. Even animal deaths (pic related).

[Anonymous No.10933171]

>>10933133
Food is already incredibly cheap compared to most people's wealth. Especially if you are talking about veganism (which is pretty much only a fad among rich sheltered westerners)

For example, most people will gladly pay $$$$ for pre-made food, or for buying food at a restaurant (fast food included). If people cared about their food spending they'd be cooking it at home to save money.

[Anonymous No.10933177]

>>10932413
Reagan was an actor too you cuck

[Anonymous No.10933209]

>>10933163
Agreed 100%.
>>10933171
Many people have the perception that healthy food is much more expensive than unhealthy food. It's not a completely accurate perception, but when a 500 calorie cheeseburger costs $1.50 and 200 calories of lettuce costs >$3, I can see where it comes from. When you remember that half of the country have nothing in savings and live paycheck-to-paycheck, I think it's understandable that they try to get the most calories for their dollar.
Shifting the subsidies from corn and meat to leafy greens, legumes, root veg, etc. would help encourage such people to eat a healthier diet.

[Anonymous No.10933228]

>>10933209
>Many people have the perception that healthy food is much more expensive than unhealthy food.

I agree, though I think it's for different reasons than what you give. Very few people (relatively speaking) think in terms of calories per dollar. If they did, they'd buy dry beans and rice and it would blow away nearly any other food. IMHO the reasoning is that they look at products advertised as meat-free replacements for meals they already know, like "vegan cheese" or "veggie burger patties". Those products are indeed very costly. But the real healthy stuff like leafy greens, dry beans and legumes, etc, is already cheap as hell.

>paycheck to paycheck
This is normally caused by idiocy, not by honest poverty. People whine that they "can't afford to eat healthy" yet they seem to have no problem affording the latest smartphone upgrade, expensive cable TV package, or fancy gaming PC. People's priorities are fucked, it's not a price problem.

[Anonymous No.10933238]

>>10932744
Recommended by whom? Certanly not the WHO

[Anonymous No.10933253]

>>10933228
Fair points all around, though I would argue that the problem isn't "idiocy" as much as "people aren't taught how to manage money". The main point I'm trying to get across is that cost (or at least, perceived cost) can be a powerful motivator for behavioral change.
It does annoy me quite a lot when people say that healthy food is expensive, because it really doesn't have to be. Cheap, healthy food usually requires some cooking skills to be made palatable, which is something the last few generations seems to be sorely lacking.

[Anonymous No.10933271]

>>10933253
>I would argue that the problem isn't "idiocy" as much as "people aren't taught how to manage money"
I see those as synonymous. If a person has a tight budget isn't it obvious to review spending and see where it's possible to save money? Hell, you don't even have to be a responsible person to make that connection. I started learning to cook back in college when I wanted more beer money and realized that if I cooked for myself I'd save a ton compared to eating fast food all the time.

>>Cheap, healthy food usually requires some cooking skills to be made palatable, which is something the last few generations seems to be sorely lacking.
Yep. What we're seeing is the results of lazy parenting and people giving in to the temptation of widely available and inexpensive (on an *absolute* scale) processed food. Of course, on a *relative* scale it is quite costly, and then people wonder why they don't have much money.

[Anonymous No.10933290]

We need less people in the world, all problems solved.

[Anonymous No.10933329]

>>10933290
I think you mean "fewer", but otherwise I agree.

[Anonymous No.10933364]

>>10933290
Thanos did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.10933439]

>>10932666
Obesity

[Anonymous No.10933515]

>>10933271
I guess it's both idiocy and ignorance. I think psychological advertising techniques probably play a big role, as well. Everyone is constantly assaulted with messages saying that you need the newest whatever, and lots of people buy into it.

[Anonymous No.10933667]

>>10932641
>processed meat carcinogenic
Eating it every day raises your risk of colon cancer from 5% to 5.9%, and that's because of the processing methods, not the meat itself.

[Anonymous No.10933746]

>>10932400
Get people excited about lab-grown meat.

I eat meat but can agree with vegans on the moral and environmental issues of modern meat consumption. Any health claims are worthless though when the average person is obese and unhealthy (which is probably mostly caused by white sugar, white flour, and refined vegetable oil) and you try comparing controlled eating to that. High level athletes who eat meat almost always perform better than vegetarian ones.

[Anonymous No.10933750]

>>10932789

[Anonymous No.10933765]

>>10932400
How can we persuade vegans to stop shitting up /ck/?

[Sol No.10933924]

>>10933750
That's literally me.
Not even mad.

[Sol No.10933950]

>>10933667
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSHv5vDi3Is

[Anonymous No.10933960]

>>10933765
Come up with ideas to deal with modern farming issues better than trying to convert everyone to veganism

[Anonymous No.10933984]

>>10932586
>cow holocaust
I mean, it's not like we would have to go all einsatzgruppen on them lol. Just don't let them breed as much and let the population naturally decline.

That said, wasn't there a massive fucking herd of bison doing the exact same thing, just a few hundred years ago? Why do bison get a free pass for farting away our environment?

[Anonymous No.10934122]

>>10932400
- Make it taste as good as meat
- Make it cheaper than meat
It's fucking easy, it's making it cheap that's the hard part. Veggie burgers cost more than plain old hamburger. Veggie tendies cost more than regular tendies.

[Anonymous No.10934134]

say eating meat makes you gay

[Anonymous No.10934165]

>>10933984
There were millions of bison on the great plains before wh*tes slaughtered them for the hides leaving the meat to rot, but that's nothing compared to the number of cattle being farmed. Drive through west TX sometime. For 100's of miles the only thing you see are cattle packed shoulder to shoulder in holding stockyards. Since the prevailing winds are from the west, that's the reason the entire state of TX smells like cow shit, excluding based Austin.

[Anonymous No.10934221]

>>10934165
I thought it was less for the hides, and more for decimating the natives' food supply? Horrible either way.

[Anonymous No.10934250]

>>10932586
Stock cattle don't live long at all. They're bred to reach a certain age and often get cancer shortly after.

[Anonymous No.10934255]

>>10934165
Austin smells even worse. It's got that horrid funk of unwashed programmer mingling with alt-left hipster.

[Anonymous No.10934274]

>>10932400
>How do we persuade people to ditch meat?
We don't.

Eating meat is a corner stone of modern humanity. It has a super high concentration of nutrients packed in a relatively small mass, a ton of protein, iron etc. + it is seen as a social ritual. It makes people feel 'empowered' and is a reason for them to indulge in it collectively. Nobody would invite friends to a party and not serve meat. Nobody would go out to dinner in a restaurant without meat. I daresay it is a psychological necessity for most people, short of an addiction. It's an illusion to say it 'tastes good'. Whenever someone says that, they can't be taken seriously, as people try their best to mask the flesh taste by cooking it, seasoning it, and dipping it in sauce etc. But it makes their lives easier in so many ways.

I personally have been vegetarian since 2008. I'm 34 and fitter than most people in their 20s. I feel great and I don't need to adhere to anyone's views, but I respect their needs and tolerate their weaknesses. Do I think killing animals is shitty? Yes, but it's a shitty world anyway and 'moral' is just another societal construct, same as eating meat.

[Anonymous No.10934276]

>>10934165
>There were millions of bison on the great plains before wh*tes slaughtered them for the hides leaving the meat to rot
There are accounts of Native Americans doing the same thing, or only eating the tongue and fat and leaving the meat. Europeans were just better at it because they had guns.

[Anonymous No.10934282]

>>10934274
>It's an illusion to say it 'tastes good'. Whenever someone says that, they can't be taken seriously, as people try their best to mask the flesh taste by cooking it, seasoning it, and dipping it in sauce etc.
Actual fresh meat tastes and smells incredible. I've had high quality beef that smelled almost sweet when raw, it had a very appetizing smell to it. You're probably only used to average supermarket meat that isn't the freshest.

[Anonymous No.10934294]

>>10934282
Bullshit. You can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself.

[Anonymous No.10934303]

>>10934294
>make argument
>BULLSHIT! LIAR!
okay

[Anonymous No.10934307]

>>10934294
>>Bullshit

Someone has different opinions than I do so they MUST be lying.

[Anonymous No.10934343]

>>10934276
>native american plains tribes lived in harmony with bison herds and used every part of the animal
>native americans were the same as wh*te genocidal maniacs who reduced the population of bison to a handful for their hides only
Nice attempt at whypippo historical revisionism. Tell your parents they can have a free buffet after they dump your inheritance at one of our casinos, lol.

[Anonymous No.10934360]

>>10934343
>being an amerimutts

[Anonymous No.10934370]

>>10932728
>family history isn't medically relevant information

[Anonymous No.10934375]

>>10934282
>>10934303
>>10934307
No, I think it is (You) who is lying.

Eat all the fucking raw meat you want every day if it 'tastes and smells incredible' and we'll see how long you can pull through with your bullshit. Like I said, you can lie to others but you can't lie to yourself.

[Anonymous No.10934402]

>>10932553
It takes exponentially more energy to raise animals, which are less dense in nutrients, than it takes to raise crops, which are more nutrient dense.
Eventually we won't have the space or resources to raise animals. We only eat a fraction of the flesh on an animal, around 1/3 of what is edible goes straight into the trash.

[Anonymous No.10934404]

>>10934274
>mask the flesh taste by cooking it, seasoning it, and dipping it in sauce etc.
Meat is best when as close to raw as possible.

[Anonymous No.10934415]

>>10934402
We can afford it for the rest of our lives, so it's not a problem. What happens after that is none of my concern.

[Anonymous No.10934431]

>>10934404
see >>10934375

Fuck you niggas. I'm out. Ya'll retarded as always.

[Anonymous No.10934438]

>>10934415
You sound like the archetype baby boomer.

[Anonymous No.10934448]

>>10934415
Maybe if you live in a big city you'd think that. I live in agricultural land and I'm watching people's land get bought up and shitty stucco housing developments taking their place. We're filling up more now that ever.

[Anonymous No.10934452]

>>10934438
I relish the thought of the brown hordes 100 years in the future having to subsist on insects for protein.

[Sol No.10934479]

>>10934370
It is medical relevant information.
It is not evidence.
3 people can not represent a population.
Specially if they smoke a lot and do not delevop any side effects, clearly stating that they are exceptions.

[Anonymous No.10934492]

>>10934431
>people disagree with you
>run away because you can't handle it

[Anonymous No.10934533]

>>10932545
Chardonnay fellow magapede!!!

[Anonymous No.10934575]

>>10932895
provide 5 instances of a child without a congenital defect suffering a heart attack. Hell, give two

[Anonymous No.10934616]

>>10934402
why are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.10935315]

>>10932400
fuck off big soy

[Anonymous No.10935395]

>>10932606
Lmao. I bet your soyboy vegan ass has never had his hands in the dirt a day in your fuckin life

[Anonymous No.10935404]

>>10932400
By not trying to get them to ditch meat but to eat more veggies and get their protein from stuff like eggs or small animals like chicken rather than large animals that consume tons of resources like pigs and cows

Flexitarianism>Pescatarianism>>>Vegetarianism>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Veganism>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Raw Veganism

[Anonymous No.10935427]

>>10932440
based

[Anonymous No.10935467]

>>10932561
Like how Al Gore said the ice caps would completely melt 8 years ago? Or how Julian Asstrange revealed to the world that climate researchers were lying to the public as part of a propaganda campaign to get more grant money?

[Anonymous No.10935503]

>>10932601
This is truth if vegan girls started dating incel types they could easily be convinced to give up meat it's such a shame women lack empathy or the ability to think if anything but themselves

[Anonymous No.10935511]

>>10935404
>get their protein from stuff like eggs or small animals like chicken rather than large animals
Some people say that this is morally a step backwards though, because the death of one cow can feed hundreds of people, but the death of one chicken can only feed like 6 at most.

[Anonymous No.10935515]

>>10932629
>I guarantee your organic butcher didn't wipe his shitstained hands before cutting your meat up. Or worse, he used the same gloves that had meat juice sitting at body temp. all over them for the past hour or six.

There are laws and he could be shut down and heavily fined for violating them yet you assume a company that puts a heavy investment in a bland and completely nutrition bankrupt product (lab grown meat has no flavor as that comes from what the animals eat as does nutrients) would be on the up and up despite the fact that lab grown meat is literal cancer being sold for consumption

[Anonymous No.10935517]

>>10932400
have you tried fucking off?

[Anonymous No.10935522]

>>10935503
I bet these taste better than regular cows

[Anonymous No.10935539]

>>10932666
>''Life expectancy in the United States has decreased for the second year in a row, the first back-to-back drops in more than 50 years, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports
>Veganism has grown 500% in the US since 2014
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/veganism-has-increased-500-since-2014-in-the-us.amp

[Anonymous No.10935541]

>>10935539

[Anonymous No.10935550]

>>10932892
Source plz

[Anonymous No.10935610]

>>10932400
In my state, cows turn otherwise useless rocky scrub hills into meat. No good reason not to use the land for that purpose.

[Anonymous No.10935617]

>>10932666
That will turn back around when Trump is gone.

[Sol No.10935677]

Heart disease is the number 1 killer in the U.S
And it's not the kale's fault.
Its the cholesterol in meat.
The death rate is a mirror of the meat industry that has grown out of control.
implying that veganism is at fault for the drop in life expectancy is ridiculous.
The logest living people on earth folowed a plant based diet.
'' Meals
consisted of ‘sweet potato and miso soup with plenty of vegetables’
for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and between meals or
snack might be steamed sweet potato. ''
sauce
https://web.archive.org/web/20120113035029/http://211.76.170.15/server/APJCN/Volume10/vol10.2/Sho.pdf

[Sol No.10935680]

>>10935539
TAGGED

[Anonymous No.10935714]

>>10935511
>the death of one cow can feed hundreds of people, but the death of one chicken can only feed like 6 at most.
Not when the environment is completely wrecked my dude.

Also I didn't mean literally only eat chicken and eggs just eat less beef when consuming protein. The point of flexitarianism is to eat less meat in general so you can cycle it too. I'm more interested in the environmental catastrophe caused by factory farming than the moral angle because it's more objective.

Also flexitarian diet is really just a fancy way of saying eat a balanced diet, meat shouldn't really be more than half of ur diet in the first place.

[Sol No.10935727]

>>10935550
I said probably.
But there are some interesting points in this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBUwgy28Ezs

[Anonymous No.10935747]

>>10932400
Ditch meat? Nope, that would be dumb as fuck.

Instead, we need to find out why our dumb ass youth think eating like a 3rd world peasant is somehow an appropriate diet, instead of a healthy balanced diet with a variety of proteins, fruits, and veggies.

[Sol No.10935757]

>>10935747
Maybe the rise of diseases linked to meat.
Global warming.
And deforestation.
Sauce
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0IhZ-R1O8g
-Cowspiracy the movie

[Anonymous No.10935770]

>>10935757
>Maybe the rise of diseases linked to meat.
>Global warming.
>And deforestation.
Factory farming, lack of diversty and above all
Over population

veganim isn't the solution and meat isn't the problem

its too many people who only care about profits and quantity

[Anonymous No.10935775]

>>10935714
>flexitarianism
why does it have to have the gayest possible name?

[Anonymous No.10935778]

>>10935757
>vegan faggots inventing shit in a mad effort to try and justify their insanity

[Anonymous No.10935800]

>>10935677
You know what causes heart disease? It isn't meat. It's eating obsenely large portions for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

If a vegetarian eats nothing but salads and veggie wraps it doesn't mean shit if you drown it in a quart of 1000 Island dressing or smother it with avacado or soak your bread in olive oil, or drink a large coffee milkshake from Starbucks every day, or eat large veggie pizzas or lasagna or French fries constantly.

Portions are everything. There's a reason only fatties get heart disease, and it has more to do with how many burgers they eat in a day, not whether or not it's a veggie burger.

[Anonymous No.10935810]

>>10932400
>we
Do you have a turd in your pocket?

[Anonymous No.10935816]

>>10932400
why do you need to persuade people to do that?

[Anonymous No.10935836]

>>10935775
I mean you can always just say you "try not to eat much meat" or something. Or just become a pescatarian who cheats on the weekends

[Anonymous No.10935843]

>>10935800
I agree with this anon. We should really be pushing a balanced diet and smaller portions, because these two things end up meaning less meat is consumed as a byproduct.

If everyone who is vegetarian/vegan stayed so and then we got everyone else to just eat less it would help solve a lot of problems caused by factory farming and its a more realistic path imo. Trying to get everyone to just stop eating meat is unrealistic as shit

[Anonymous No.10935850]

>>10932641
>Tell then that the WHO declared all processed meat carcinogenic (in the same level as tabacco)
That signifies a flaw in their methodology. Not a risk for consuming meat.

[Anonymous No.10935874]

>>10932400
Give me 1488 and I'll give you a vegan.

[Anonymous No.10935902]

>>10932400
oh another vegan "i'm going to decide what you eat or not, if you refuse i'm going to ban it" thread. Go be commie somewhere else, woman.

[Anonymous No.10936016]

>>10934375
People do eat raw meat though you fucking cum guzzler, tartare and sushi are examples of it. The problems with raw meat and the reason why people typically don't eat it come from parasites and bacteria, not taste. You might have some sort of brain worm.

[Anonymous No.10936427]

>>10934575
https://www.google.pl/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/30/obese-toddlers-begin-showing-signs-heart-failure-age-one-study/amp/

[Anonymous No.10936434]

>>10935816
Health reasons, ethics.

[Anonymous No.10936438]

>>10935850
Who are you to tell that? Are you an epidemioligist? No? Then fuck off you yokel faggot

[Anonymous No.10936447]

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/apr/01/vegans-are-coming-millennials-health-climate-change-animal-welfare
U N S T O P P A B L E

[Anonymous No.10936513]

>>10936447
What's next, they're gonna say we're killing plants too so we need to filter our shit and eat that?

[Anonymous No.10936519]

>veganism/vegetarianism
>animal rights
Unironically literally Hitler....maybe you pricks should have just left him alone if that's what you wanted.

[Anonymous No.10936524]

Why do you want to reduce the human freedom of eating meat?

>muh health benefits
>muh alternatives
>muh animals
>muh suffering
>muh environment

all of these ALWAYS evade the bottom line that any argument against eating meat is like an argument against drinking alcohol or smoking. So what? If you personally don't like meat, then don't eat it.

You either value the human freedom to eat meat or animal rights, and anybody that values animal rights over human freedom means they've reduced themselves to be morally equal to cattle animals and forfeit their own human freedon. So that doesn't work. Mankind is different from other animals, and that means being free to eat them from our sheer superiority.

btw in regards to muh suffering, you increase my own suffering of not being able to eat meat. Do you not value the suffering of humans over the suffering of animals? If not then give up all your pleasures to animals you species traitor

[Anonymous No.10936533]

>>10936427
It's saying that even before the age of one, the obese ones are showing heart problems. It has nothing to do with an omnivore or vegan diet, being obese is bad for so many reasons and you can be obese as a vegan too.

[Anonymous No.10936781]

>>10936533
Show me studies that show vegetarians are fat, retard.

[Anonymous No.10936782]

>>10932430
You're bringing in the /pol/ shit OP, not him.

[Anonymous No.10936787]

>>10932561
>>10934402
so literally muh animals and muh world. ill keep eating my dead friends

[Anonymous No.10936788]

>>10935617
I hoping you're baiting or you are legitimately retarded. Do you think Trump is force feeding people fast food?

[Anonymous No.10936801]

>>10936788
No, but he isnt promoting a healthy lifestyle. Not to mention republicans eating pink slime. Conservatism conserves nothing, not even health.

[Anonymous No.10936825]

>>10935677
It's actually saturated fats that cause blood cholesterol imbalances.

[Anonymous No.10936835]

>>10936801
Yeah okay, either bait or retarded.
Why didn't Obama ban pink slime? When did Trump advocate for pink slime?
Stop bring up politics where they don't belong or take it to /pol/.

[Anonymous No.10936866]

>>10936801
Also, pink slime is a slanderous term that ended up costing ABC $177 million. All the negatuve bullshit stories have been pulled. It's nothing but beef, and it is used to reduce fat content of beef products, actually
This may also interest you:
>Other consumer advocacy groups, notably the National Consumers League, expressed dismay at the popular reaction against the product, and especially the plant closures "because of business the company has lost to very serious misinformation, widely disseminated by the media, about its product, lean finely textured beef (LFTB)".[111] Similarly, the Consumer Federation of America said the plant closures were "unfortunate" and expressed concern that the product might be replaced in ground beef with "something that has not been processed to assure the same level of safety".[112]
Those two are long time colossi for consumer and workers rights. It was media hysteria.
Boneless lean beef trimmings (what you call pink slime) aren't banned anywhere.

[Anonymous No.10936868]

>>10936801
>the government should determine my diet

and the cats out of the bag folks, they don't call fags like this "watermelons" for nothing -- green on the outside, red inside. Every single time.

/pol/shit aside, the president isn't your parent. They rightfully shouldn't have a say at all about what people should/shouldn't eat --YOU fucking decide. Nobody else. And that means fucking off from other people's diets as well, which includes meat.

If you're so retarded to play the game of the state telling people what they should/shouldn't eat by law, then if the state openly advocates meat eating then you eat your words and must support that too.

kindly malnourish yourself

[Anonymous No.10936928]

>>10936781
That has nothing to do with what I said