/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11169388]

Why doesn't people invest in fine porcelain and silverwares anymore?

[Anonymous No.11169397]

>>11169388
Because society has changed, and these days people have different status symbols.

Fine china was how you showed off decades ago. Now you show off by having a fancy car, the latest Iphone(TM), or by drinking a more obscure beer than the other guy.

[Anonymous No.11169402]

>>11169388
Nobody owns their home.

[Anonymous No.11169433]

>>11169388
Disposable lifestyles now.

[Anonymous No.11169451]

You can get them at goodwill and yard sales cheaper than regular dishes

[Anonymous No.11169802]

>>11169388
I do though, I have a world-class collection with unique pieces not found anywhere else. At least 1000 dollars has gone into it so far.

This is such a strange question anyway, I wonder if this was just bait to draw me out because I can't resist showing off my mugs. why do you care about porcelain?

[Anonymous No.11169832]

>>11169388
Because it's 2018 and we're all poor

[Anonymous No.11169852]

>>11169388
because id rather spend my money on good pots and pans and food i actually make

also on dragon dildos and vidya games

[Anonymous No.11169855]

>>11169802
>at least 1000 dollars

A basic custom mug costs like $12.

[Anonymous No.11169862]

>>11169855
A bit more, but sure. I also have to factor in custom art if I got it for that mug which is fifty bucks or so and then shipping and depending on the style of mug or printing quality, it can be as much as 60 bucks for the printing. Some mugs in my collection cost 150 easily after all expenses.

[Anonymous No.11169864]

>>11169855
Therefore we can conclude that anon has many of them, and/or perhaps some of anon's mugs are costlier than the basic variety.

[Anonymous No.11169867]

>>11169388
i have a wedgewood set(incomplete) that dates from the ~1950's. a modern cup alone today costs ~£50

[Anonymous No.11169868]

>>11169862
>have to factor in custom art

Going to an /a/ sip thread doesn't cost anything.

[Anonymous No.11169871]

>>11169862
>I'm cool because I waste money on useless shit

[Anonymous No.11169884]

>>11169388
Fine porcelain requires care. People today want everything disposable as they see anything that requires care as an aggression to their freedom

[Anonymous No.11169892]

>>11169867
Potter here. Have any jasperware? I'd like to see photos if you do.

[Anonymous No.11169899]

>>11169871
We all waste money on useless shit. We just have different definitions of what "useless shit" is.

[Anonymous No.11169901]

>>11169388
I collect porcelain, ceramics and pottery but only from Asia, I dont have any wetsern style porcelain or dinnerware. As far as western stuff, I collect crystal/stemware. I use a lot of it, but I also have a display cabinet for the grand majority of it.

>inb4 how rich are you
I just have different priorities.

[Anonymous No.11169990]

>>11169899
>>11169901
You have retarded priorities.

[Anonymous No.11169993]

>>11169901
but how rich ARE you?

[Anonymous No.11170005]

>>11169388
Because no one really sits down and eats together anymore. When they do it's not a meal worthy of the fine china. The fine china is used for certain holiday meals or celebrations maybe once or twice a year and also for display in the China cabinet. Moms and grandmothers will freak if you touch their good china.

[Anonymous No.11170006]

holy shit. I got bored and looked up sterling silver flatware and it's about $1,100 a setting.
Add apilco china (in OP's pic) and it's about $250 for 5 piece setting.

[Anonymous No.11170016]

>>11170006
dinnerware.

[Anonymous No.11170115]

>>11169990
I guarantee you have spent money on something that I would call useless shit. And vice-versa.

Do you have a liberal arts degree? Have you ever eaten fast food? Perfect examples in my book.

[Anonymous No.11170119]

>>11169388
Does it make food taste any better?

[Anonymous No.11170123]

>>11169388
Because most people don't care what they're eating on, and if they do then they likely inherited the fine china, flatware and crystal glasses instead of having to buy them like I did. My brothers certainly don't care for any of it.

[Anonymous No.11170138]

>>11170123
>inherited china
This wasn't common even for boomers.

[Anonymous No.11170139]

>>11170006
Just go to old people garage sales you can get them for like 100$

[Anonymous No.11170140]

>>11169802
> he paid over a thousand dollars for a few white mugs with a custom jpg on them

[Anonymous No.11170143]

>>11169802
cool paint job and 80s furniture bro, maybe you should have invested into redectorating instead

[Anonymous No.11170146]

>>11169388
I still have a set of hand painted dishes worth about $600.Is that good enough?

[Anonymous No.11170147]

>>11169802
It's apparent that zoomers do not have good taste.
So they would never purchase something like fine china.

[Anonymous No.11170157]

>>11169388
America is just too poor these days.

[Anonymous No.11170159]

>>11170119
Actually, yes

[Anonymous No.11170162]

>>11169388
it's just plates motherfucker

[Anonymous No.11170169]

>>11169802
That you Muggy?

[Anonymous No.11170170]

>>11170138
The boomers bought the fancy dinner sets because they were in fashion with cash to spare and the millenials/zoomers get saddled with them or give them to goodwill. I'm not saying it was common then, but that it's more common now.

[Anonymous No.11170201]

>>11169388
Some do?
Unless you make a lot of money people tend not to.

[Anonymous No.11170229]

I grew up with this low end set and I liked the ergonomics so I had to get my own when I moved out.

[Anonymous No.11170254]

>>11170201
>Some do?
but they don't post on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.11170271]

>>11169388
We bought a set of plates and dessert plates as well as soup plates some years ago. It was quite expensive but it's some good quality stuff. Kinda looks like the one in your pic.

[Anonymous No.11170425]

>>11169868
maybe argue with me more and it will change how much I spent
>>11169899
I think it's pretty clear my mugs are useless, doesn't mean I'll stop collecting them.

[Anonymous No.11170437]

>>11170425
>argue with me more

I wasn't arguing. I decorated my entire house in college with stretched canvas pictures from a Chinese company with free shipping that allows you to upload hi-res pics on pretty much anything - including mugs (that's where I got the number) - and it wasn't expensive at all, or cost anything extra than the base price, and they almost always have really good sales.

[Anonymous No.11170452]

>>11170437
Well my mug standards are higher.

[Anonymous No.11170457]

>>11170452
Doesn't seem like it.

[Anonymous No.11170473]

This is the millennials' fault. Living meager, transient existences. Packing up from one tiny roach infested studio apartment and city to the next. Leaving nothing behind. Remembered by no one. They believe in nothing but self-gratification. They abhor tradition and custom. Nothing to leave their children but decayed Rick and Morty blurays, their bong collection, and confused mixed parentage. They might as well spit on their ancestors' graves.

[Anonymous No.11170567]

>>11170115
In my case, its my steam library.

Atleast the other Anon can look at their collection with pride

[Anonymous No.11170640]

>>11169397
>Because society has changed, and these days people have different status symbols.
Pretty much this. China and silverware were a matter of family pride, gifts given for weddings or heirlooms passed down for generations. These things were status symbols because you would typically have family/friends/neighbors over for meals on special occasions, and the way you set your table was a show of status. Even working class people had the "good" stuff that came out for those times. But that's totally passe these days. It was based around the old fashioned idea that one entertained in ones home and had help to serve the meal, or at least keep the silver polished and clean up after. Even if you couldn't afford staff you could set your table like those who did, and appear that much fancier for it.

Today that all just seems antique, like setting up model railroads for Christmas, wearing hats and overcoats or going to church on Sunday. People still do it, but it's out of fashion. Today your zip code is a lot more meaningful to your status than how you set your table. Your travel stories and the restaurants you eat at are better class tells than what you serve for Christmas dinner, if you even bother to celebrate it beyond getting a tree and some presents for the kids. Formality is very out of fashion. I'm fine with that, because without servants it's impossible to do well anyways.

[Anonymous No.11170683]

>>11169388
I don't even own dishes...I just eat out of whatever pot/pan I cooked in...
>really doesn't take long to wash one pot/pan...fork/spoon/knife...

[Anonymous No.11170775]

Everything went buffet style.
Every wedding/holiday event i've been to has been served buffet style. That makes it dangerous to carry around $40 dollar plates.

[Anonymous No.11170823]

My grandmother passed away about 8 months ago and I ended up getting an antique set of her silverware.
Things like a silver milk jug, a silver thing that you put over the top of a roast chicken.
I'll never use any of these things but I can't throw it away either so it just sits in my glass display cabinet.

[Anonymous No.11170906]

>>11170823
I'm in a similar position. I'm an oldfag (both in how long I've been hanging around here and the fact that I'm now in my 50's). My 80-something mother has made a big deal of telling me which pieces in her China cabinet go to me when she dies. I try to show my appreciation and make her think it's a big deal to me, because I know that shit was a big deal to her. But she can tell I don't give a fuck. I have no use for any of that shit. I'm just happy mom is still around. The valuable stuff from previous generations is valueless to me, because I have a completely different set of values.

[Anonymous No.11170923]

>>11169388
Uh, OP... those are chamberpots. We have plumbed toilets now.

[Anonymous No.11170925]

>>11170906
she valued it because of the memories of the family get togethers. which obviously are going to end if left to your keep.

[Anonymous No.11170942]

>>11170823
>>11170906
They're probably not worth anything, either. Go to a second hand store and that stuff mostly goes for $1 each with the occasional collectable being worth significantly more.

The root cause being mass production. We throw out more stuff in a lifetime than families used to acquire over generations. Heirlooms don't have the same value that they once did.

[Anonymous No.11170981]

>>11170942
I know they aren't worth anything but I can't throw out my grandmother's old silver.
My dad said it's just something to remember her by.

I've actually got a few of my grandfather's old matchbox cars that are worth hundreds of dollars each but I'd never sell them either.

[Anonymous No.11171020]

>>11169802
>>11169802
mug your new room looks really nice.

[Anonymous No.11171036]

>>11170925
No, she valued these things because they were from her grandmother, or great aunt, or whatever. I get that. But if she'd wanted these things to be of sentimental value to her own kids she would have pulled them out once in a while during our own family getogethers. She never did. This is all stuff that's sat in her China cabinet since I was a toddler.
>>11170942
>Heirlooms don't have the same value that they once did.
Definitely this. I know that side of the family was not particularly wealthy. Even if this stuff is hand made it's not anything of value. It's just some stuff my mom sees as part of her connection to her departed family. I get that. But her kindness in making sure some of them go to me amounts to foisting a few useless things on me that have just enough vague sentimental value that I'll eventually feel bad when they get broken or thrown away. I'll let my sister deal with all that shit when mom dies. I don't have the space or the bandwidth.

[Anonymous No.11171527]

>>11171020
thanks mister

[Anonymous No.11171545]

ITT: FUCKING DEGENERATE MODERNITY REEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.11171549]

>>11171545
Have you tried actually reading the thread?

[Anonymous No.11171561]

I don't see why I should. They are easier to break and require more maintenance than my stupid cheep plates from Ikea.

[Anonymous No.11171570]

>>11171545
stop with your 2015 bullshit

[Anonymous No.11171575]

Silver tastes bad

[Anonymous No.11171585]

>>11169802
your new digs look good mug anon

[Anonymous No.11171591]

>>11171585
Yeah I have a big four bedroom house all to myself now. Plus he gave me a deal on it because it's old and rundown but that doesn't bother me. I got big plans for all my spare rooms. Like a home theatre.

[Anonymous No.11171607]

>>11169388
Same reason more people rent homes than buy them these days>>11169397

[Anonymous No.11171610]

>>11171607
>Same reason more people rent homes than buy them these days
Because they are stupid?

[Anonymous No.11171630]

>>11169388
Nobody invites people over to their house for dinner anymore.

[Anonymous No.11171645]

>>11169388
why should i?

the last porcelain kitchen item i bought was a mortar and pestle.
worst fucking $20 spent on a kitchen tool.

returned it (based amazon) and spent $15 more for a granite one.
There are better materials to use today than fucking clay.

[Anonymous No.11171646]

>>11169862
>he adds the cost of shipping to the overall value of his items.

[Anonymous No.11171648]

>>11171630
This. People go out to eat when they want to eat with someone else.

The only times I have ever seen nice plates and silverware are holidays when eating at home with others is expected.

Exactly the same reason parlors aren't rooms in houses anymore.

[Anonymous No.11171982]

>>11171648
I wish it didn't feel so weird cooking for friends

[Anonymous No.11173488]

>>11169802

Lookin' good, Mug-anon!

[Anonymous No.11173666]

>>11169388
>invest
you're not ever getting more out of it than you put in, so it's not an investment

[Anonymous No.11173676]

>>11169388
>Why doesn't people invest in fine porcelain and silverwares anymore?
Because people are spending money on things that are actually useful, like speech and grammar lessons.

[Anonymous No.11173702]

>>11173676
>Because people are spending money on things that are actually useful, like speech and grammar lessons.
Do Americans really have to pay for school?

[Anonymous No.11173706]

>>11169388
I have my grandmothers bone China and silver set. I use them maybe half a dozen times a year. I used it a couple months ago for when I had my boss and his wife over for dinner. Word got back to me through the grapevine that apparently his wife was impressed, but he got a really gay vibe from the overall meal.

Autism strikes again.

[Anonymous No.11173707]

>>11173702
This is a sad level of obsession

[Anonymous No.11173775]

>>11173707
it's clearly what he was implying.

[Anonymous No.11173820]

>>11169397
>the latest Iphone(TM)
Only welfare queens consider this to be a status symbol.

[Anonymous No.11173838]

>>11173707
This is relatively sad butthurt.

[Anonymous No.11173845]

>>11169388
why won't you use plastic cutlery and dishware? far cheaper than buying that expensive white nigger crap!

[Anonymous No.11173853]

>>11173845
>plastic cutlery and dishware
the environment.

[Anonymous No.11174025]

>>11169402
This.
Successful people who own their homes still buy fine porcelain. You can't invite people over for dinner and serve food in cheap Ikea junk.

[Anonymous No.11174028]

Divorce makes the concept of heirlooms not possible.

[Anonymous No.11174039]

>>11169802
>Owning a jug and a kettle
For what purpose?

[Anonymous No.11174104]

>>11174039
I have four kettles and I put one of them in there for making tea. The jug is used to carry water from the kitchen to the study for the kettle.

[Anonymous No.11174110]

>>11174104
Why do you need 4 kettles, why not move the kettle to the sink?
I thought you were a minimalist, you're just a poser, no man needs 4 kettles and a jug

[Anonymous No.11174130]

>>11174110
I had to buy four kettles because my new bathtub doesn't get hot enough so I augment it by boiling a bunch of hot water and dumping it in there.

[Anonymous No.11174168]

>>11169397
also china and silver are traditionally wedding/anniversary/baby gifts but no one wants that shit any more. don't know anyone in the past ten years that has put items like this on their wedding registry.

[Anonymous No.11174169]

>>11174104
>the study

[Anonymous No.11174171]

>>11174130
some how i'm not surprised

[Anonymous No.11174173]

>>11174168
>anyone is cooking anymore

[Anonymous No.11174300]

>>11173775
Actually, what I was implying was that the OP is a fucking moron, as is anyone that couldn't figure that out....

[Anonymous No.11174400]

>>11174168
>wedding registry
Ffs, you just identified yourself as an 80's boomer, no one does that shit anymore because they and all their wedding invites know divorce is imminent and the expensive gifts will go to the wench and the wal-mart juicer that broke in 9 months will go to the husband.

[Anonymous No.11174560]

>>11174173
you can cook without "special occasion" china and silver that is never meant to be used because it's a gift that's meant to appreciate value as the baby grows.

hurr durr invest in gold/silver, but giving married couples/babies silver is dum

[Anonymous No.11174601]

>>11174560
>china and silver that is never meant to be used
So you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.11174602]

>>11170229
Is that Oneida silverware?

[Anonymous No.11174608]

>>11174602
Oneida, but entirely stainless steel, no silver.

[Anonymous No.11174621]

>>11174560
who the fuck gives china/silverware at a baby shower? it's a wedding present.

[Anonymous No.11174644]

>>11174560
>hurr durr invest in gold/silver, but giving married couples/babies silver is dum
There's a huge distinction between the two. When you invest in metals you pay for the metal only, or perhaps there is a negligible transaction fee your bank or broker charges for the trade. When you buy silverware you are paying far more money than the weight of the sliver or gold it contains, you are paying a lot more for the brand name.

That's not necissarily a bad thing: some names appreciate. But most don't, especially in today's market where younger people don't give a shit about silverware. "Investing" in collectable silver can certainly be done, but it's a whole different ballgame than playing the metal commodities market or buying bullion.

[Anonymous No.11174704]

>>11174644
i'm not talking about silverware or branded silver. it's traditional to give "baby" themed items that are made of precious metals to an expectant mother during a baby shower. those items then "belong" to the child and in 18 years or whenever they can cash them in for whatever the appreciated value is. obviously the tradition has warped a little bit, but it's the "old" version of starting a CD or vanguard account for an infant and letting them get some interest out of it.

[Anonymous No.11174722]

>>11174621
it's a traditional baby shower gift, along with baby spoon, rattles, etc made of silver that are never meant to be used, but kept until the kid grows up.

[Anonymous No.11174750]

>>11174722
>it's a traditional baby shower gift
silver ware and fine china are not baby shower gifts. Your little beer steins aren't helping you.

[Anonymous No.11174946]

I'm glad my parents were from good families, even though by the time I was born they were broke as fuck. They hung onto all the good stuff despite being months behind on rent. Growing up we had a different set of Waterford, Wedgewood, or sterling depending on how special the meal was.

I inherited all this shit and it's fun to play with. Friends my age think it's weird I set holiday tables with monogrammed silver from the 1930s, bone china, and crystal water goblets.

[Anonymous No.11174965]

>>11170942
If it's sterling it's worth about $10/oz minimum. I got a tray from a church sale and sold it for $350 on eBay.

[Anonymous No.11174969]

>>11174704
Right, but those "Baby themed items" cost a fuck of a lot more money when they were new than the silver content is worth. It would be a horrible investment. To use a modern day example, it would be more like trying to invest in the stock market but paying several times the actual price when you buy the stock, but only getting market value when you sell it. In order for any appreciation to happen the value must increase a very high amount.

I am familar with the traditions of giving silver, etc, as family gifts but I don't think it was/is done for investment purposes specifically.