/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.11557302]

Gastronomy is fucking pretentious bullshit. Food is not art. Literally the most important thing about food is its flavor, not how it looks on a plate.

[Anonymous No.11557334]

Flavor can be enhanced by other taste factors such as presentation, so you're an idiot.
That being said, I agree with the first sentence. It always looks stupid to me and the people making a big deal about it just have an air of snobbery about them imo.

[Anonymous No.11557351]

>>11557334
people who let the way food looks influence how they think it tastes are retarded
for example: "eww this fried cricket looks gross why would you ever eat it"

[Anonymous No.11557360]

>>11557302
That looks like someone put their cigarette out on your food

[Anonymous No.11557366]

>>11557360
It's leek ash

[Anonymous No.11557372]

What's wrong with it looking nice AND tasting good?

Such a strange reaction to plating...

[Anonymous No.11557390]

>>11557302
>I get to decide what is and isn’t art
pretentious faggot. How do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

[Anonymous No.11557422]

>>11557390
>people aren't allowed to think for themselves

[Anonymous No.11557543]

>>11557422
Your original post suggests that you don’t hold that sentiment.

[Anonymous No.11557600]

>>11557302
That plate looks like it was just found on some garbage dump.

[Anonymous No.11557601]

>>11557302
Which restaurants have you eaten in that plate food like that?

[Anonymous No.11557602]

>>11557302
>Literally the most important thing about food is its flavor

[Anonymous No.11557673]

>>11557302
>Literally the most important thing about food is its flavor
Liiiiiiiiiiiiterally the most important thing about food is its nutrients, faggot.
Food is fuel, not fun.

[Anonymous No.11557676]

>>11557302
>Literally

[Anonymous No.11557678]

>>11557302

[Anonymous No.11557693]

>>11557302
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[Anonymous No.11557707]

>>11557693
>>11557678
>>11557676
>>11557673
>>11557602
Im literally gay btw

[Anonymous No.11557717]

>>11557707
you're literally a bundle of sticks.

[Anonymous No.11557724]

>>11557302
>Literally the most important thing about food is its flavor
no, dude, stop, seriously. It's nutrition.
Nutrition is the most important thing about food.

[Anonymous No.11557871]

Literally had been said so much that it has literally lost all meaning.

[Anonymous No.11558062]

>>11557871
>Literally
As fuck
>Literally
The fuck
>Literally
WTF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZkb4TPI-Lo
I feel bad for kids today. Educational systems have failed them, financial systems have failed them, civics and families have failed them. They just stare at screens and mumble, 'AF, TF, literally!' like neanderthals.

[Anonymous No.11558082]

>>11557602
It is. This isn't the dark ages, grandma.

[Anonymous No.11558106]

>>11558082

[Anonymous No.11558961]

>>11557602
It really makes my blood boil. It's truly a plague on the language. It's actually cancerous. It totally makes me crazy. It's absolutely destroying the world

You're literally a fucking idiot

[Can this thing FUCK OFF? No.11559280]

>>11557302
Disagree. Most customers can be sold on looks alone. Not too mention, its fun and looks pleasing to make. Slapping this same meal on a plate haphazardly wouldn't look appetizing at all.

[Anonymous No.11559304]

>>11558062
>let's defund education to raise people stupid enough to support defunding education and then bitch about the ignorant kids, ok?
Oh, christ the absolute state!

[Anonymous No.11559793]

>>11559304
Education isn't a brick building with a pricing fixing cabal on outdated books.
We're in an age where all the education you could want is at your fingertips and free, yet we're the dumbest with the most years of 'education'.

[Anonymous No.11559802]

>>11557302
>Literally the most important thing about food is its flavor
Literally
>Literally
Nope, no it isn't. I hope you're stranded, turn down emergency rations and die.

[Anonymous No.11559815]

>>11557302

1) It is scientifically verifiable that presentation plays a not insignificant role in taste.

2) To take it to the extreme, how would you explain cases of cheap, generally poorly flavored foods being lauded for their taste when presented as fancy (I'm reminded of a few experiment where Franzia was served to wine clubs and peddled as a rare vintage)?

[Anonymous No.11560015]

>>11557351
>hAhHaHa bro just eat this greasy-looking, messy slop of food I threw together, I sweAR it tastes gOOD

[Anonymous No.11560101]

>>11559815
Literally placebo effect.

[Anonymous No.11560130]

for me, its abusing the word literally to piss off seething grammarfags

[Anonymous No.11560134]

Why is something not allowed to exist simply because you don't like it? Gastronomy lead to stuff like instant ramen and cold brew coffee

[Anonymous No.11561818]

>>11559815
source

[Anonymous No.11561834]

>>11560015
>this greasy slop o shit
As opposed to an olive oil money shot? Truly this is high cognition anon.

[Anonymous No.11561871]

>>11557302
>Gastronomy is fucking pretentious
You know this because for YOU it would be. You are not a member of the socioeconomic class that is the audience for gastronomie, so a guy like you claiming to appreciate it would be pretense. If you walked into a restaurant on this level you'd stick out like a sore thumb, and it would be obvious to everyone that you do not belong there. Those people are not your peers. They live in a different world than the one you inhabit, and have already become jaded to things that will never be within your reach. Stick to gaming he buffet to get your money's worth, because that's where you belong.

[Anonymous No.11561890]

>>11561871
LOL. Have you ever seen a gastrofag be fed scratch home cooking? I had a guy devour almost an entire pan of cornbread once. He kept demanding to know what my secret was. He put a fair dent in everything else, too. I've no idea where he put it all.

[Anonymous No.11561907]

>>11557302
>implying 'gastronomy' (by which I'm guessing you mean fine dining cookery) is just about looks

The amount of work that goes into some of that food to make it as delicious as humanly possible is insane. In addition, food can be really enhanced by presentation- tell me you've never seen a plate of food going by in a restaurant or somewhere and thought 'damn that looks delicious'.

[Anonymous No.11561926]

>>11561890
Just because you appreciate places with Michelin stars doesn't mean you're immune to good home cooking or even delicious street food. The thing is that people usually associate with members of their own socioeconomic class, and someone near the top, who can easily afford to eat in fine dining places often is simply unlikely to encounter much in the way of home cooking (or street food, for that matter). Because nobody in his peer group is a home cook. They all have nice kitchens, and some have personal chefs, but they don't do any cooking themselves, not did their parents. Home cooking is exotic to them.

[Anonymous No.11561951]

>>11561926
Michelin star restaurants just arent full of those kinds of people any more though. They probably used to be, but times have changed.

In my experience, at least half (if not more) of the dining room in a michelin star place seems to be people who would have saved up for a while to go, and its a big event for them.

Its not wildly expensive to go either. You can do a taster menu at a 3 star place for less than £200 no problem.

[Anonymous No.11562011]

>>11561951
You might be onto something with that. I mean not ALL fancy joints I've been to have been a waste of money, not by a long shot, but... some really seem to take advantage of people who aren't used to find dining. Like, they'll pretend to like it, or be afraid to say anything about it. They can write "Crispy poultry medallions on a bed of penne Romano. Served with pomme d'amour reduction and garlic dill emulsion" on the menu and serve bullshit like this for $30.00. (Yes, chicken nuggets, Mac n cheese, with ketchup and ranch dressing.) Obviously I am exaggerating, but I have seen a fair amount of rip offs, the excuse for it I suppose being presentation and the environment you eat it in.

[Anonymous No.11562039]

>>11561951
>at least half (if not more) of the dining room in a michelin star place seems to be people who would have saved up for a while to go, and its a big event for them.
Certainly the trend in the 21st Century so far has been making fine dining less stuffy and approachable. The rise of the celebrity chef certainly helped that along. But I'd still say when talking about 3 star restaurants (and others in that price range) the cost of entry kind of assures an exclusive crowd. Places like Masa and Per Se are not full of punters celebrating their tenth anniversaries. They're full of rich people celebrating special occasions.

[Anonymous No.11562064]

>>11562011
There are a lot of restaurants out there that arent going to get a star or even get close, but still charge high prices. Lots of places where you're probably going to pay at least £50 for 3 course a la carte. I used to go to them, and they are ok. But having been to quite a few I now avoid them. Doesnt feel like good value for money as they really arent memorable. I prefer to save the money and use it to go somewhere really good even if it is double the price.

>>11562039
Im certainly not rich. Have a reasonable income, but also a lot of debt. Ive eaten at places like Restaurant Gordon Ramsay, Dinner by Heston, Le Gavroche amongst others. Avoid the drinks, and it isnt too expensive. I was 21 when i went to Ramsays, and the food for one cost twice the amount my suit cost.

[Anonymous No.11562069]

>>11559802

[Anonymous No.11562081]

>>11562064
>when i went to Ramsays, and the food for one cost twice the amount my suit cost.
You might not have realized it, but you probably did stand out as the guy in the cheap suit then.

[Anonymous No.11562104]

>>11562081
Probably. And I remember before I booked that I wasnt sure if going to a 3 star place was a bit 'out of my league'.

Turns out, no one is really that interested in the people around them when they are paying that much for food, and have been on a waiting list for up to 3 months. And also, its not something to be bothered about - it might affect other peoples day but it doesnt matter to me what they think.

The trend seems to be away from pretentiousness, and towards a more welcoming environment in these places. The most expensive places I know in the UK are about £300 for the food. Thats far too much for me. But there are plenty of amazing places where you can get a taster menu for half that.

[Anonymous No.11562116]

>>11557302
>most important thing about food is its flavor
So how disgustingly fat are you? 350? 400?

[Anonymous No.11562145]

>>11562104
>The trend seems to be away from pretentiousness, and towards a more welcoming environment in these places.
Absolutely it is. The focus has shifted much more toward hospitality than exclusivity across the business. But in places where there are lots of wealthy people the cost of entry kind of enforces exclusivity anyways. The tasting menu at Masa is nearly $750 and Per Se just over $650. These places are not packed with middle class diners.

[Anonymous No.11562161]

>>11561871
>gastronomie
Jesus

[Anonymous No.11562168]

>>11562145
Yeah. Im not sure we have anywhere that expensive in the UK. At that point, youve probably priced them out.

Nice for those who can afford it, especially when they dont have to be surrounded by the lowly middle classes

[Anonymous No.11562182]

>>11562116
Are you seriously arguing that the most important thing about food isn't flavour? That really isn't some controversial opinion only the morbidly obese adhere to. How out of touch are you? Do you really think you're doing something important putting a couple twigs on a plate? Jesus Christ

[Anonymous No.11562191]

>>11562168
America has some stupid ass memes. Luckily there's also a ton of undiscovered gems that serve high end fine dining for $50 and under an entree and affordable appetizers and small plates.

[Anonymous No.11562205]

>>11562168
>Nice for those who can afford it, especially when they dont have to be surrounded by the lowly middle classes
Like I said people are most comfortable around members of the same social class they are. The guy in the bespoke suit and John Lobb shoes isn't all that likely to feel comfortable surrounded by guys in jeans, Converse and thrift store blazers. He knows his shoes cost more than the monthly rent of those around him, and he really doesn't belong at the hip place with the up and coming chef and the relatively affordable menu. His peers are at the place with the stratospherically expensive wine list where his peers sometimes show off dropping thousands on wine.

[Anonymous No.11562312]

>>11562182
>Are you seriously arguing that the most important thing about food isn't flavour?
Nutrition, fatty. It's nutrition.

So you're 400, aren't you?

[Anonymous No.11562371]

>>11557334
I thought like this till I actually went to a place that had a 9 course tasting menu.

[Anonymous No.11562400]

>>11562312
Only a faggot with bad genes would say that. You're either a former fat or a current self loathing fat hence the automatic fat hating rage. If you've never been fat you don't even think about that shit you just eat what tastes good in a moderate portion. Fatty.

[Anonymous No.11562457]

>>11562312
>people go out to eat because of that sweet nutrition which they can totally not get eating home
I'm bony as an Auschwitz survivor m8. And don't act like you care about nutrition when you're a faggot that gets all his protein from jizz

[Anonymous No.11563696]

>>11562400
>>11562457
400 it is. Got it.

Get help, fatty.

[Anonymous No.11563706]

>>11557302
If someone served you the most delicious ice cream, but you had to eat it by having someone dip their erect penis into the ice cream and then into your mouth, it would be pretty hard to say the most important thing about food is its flavor

Yeah, flavor is important, but there's plenty of things/reasons why you eat food
I mean, nobody is vegan because cashew cheese secretly tastes really good
Nobody eats McDonald's because it's the best tasting food anyone could ever buy

Yes, flavor is important, but food is more than just flavor

[Anonymous No.11563820]

>>11562145
The prices are getting out of control. a couple of years ago 3 star restaurants were under $300.

[Anonymous No.11564242]

>>11563696
seems like you're projecting bro

[Anonymous No.11564253]

>>11562312
You sound like my fat boomer mom.

[Anonymous No.11564288]

>>11564242
>>11564253

[Anonymous No.11564341]

>>11562205

how do people even get this much money man. crazy. anyhow, is the taste of the shit they're buying truly worth the price?

[Anonymous No.11564794]

>>11557351
>enjoys eating a dish because the dish tastes good
>enjoys eating a dish because the dish looks good
>enjoys the dish
t. autist who hates people who enjoy things

[Anonymous No.11564798]

>>11557302
I am a chef with Gastronomy Incorporated and i tell you gastronomy is not bullshit

[Anonymous No.11564800]

>>11557302
Anything can be art, if you make art with it.

[Anonymous No.11564985]

>>11562011

nice pic

[Anonymous No.11565046]

>>11557302
literally the only important thing about art is how it looks

[Anonymous No.11565052]

>>11557302
It's called the culinary arts. It's a fact.

[Anonymous No.11565095]

>>11557302 (OP)
The dressing of a plate is probably more important to the cook than to the person who eats. Try cooking for the enjoyment of it (and for others than you to enjoy), you'll see how you can't help but to try to lay out your ingredients properly and add little visual enhancements. When it is not for the sole purpose of subsistence, cooking is a multidimensional pleasure and the dressing is part of it.

[Anonymous No.11565113]

>>11565095
Took me too long to write this post.
mfw my lunch is over cooked.

[Anonymous No.11565433]

>>11557302
>Food is not art

Not the way you make it maybe.

[Anonymous No.11565655]

>>11557676
...but the usage of literally on that book was correct, the use of figuratively is not. You're learning their direct meaning, not their made up meaning.

[Anonymous No.11566415]

>>11557543
>>11557390
why do retards on this website always take statements of opinion as sweeping ideological statements and take it to mean no one else can have a different opinion

[Anonymous No.11567720]

the most important thing about food is it's nutritional content

we eat to fuel our bodies, fats carbs water vitamins minerals etc. eating is not a choice based on how good something tastes

[Anonymous No.11567738]

>>11557302

Food is at times an art, a craft, and/or just fuel. Trying to say it's one thing or the other is like saying everything we look at with our eyes is either art or not. Oversimplification and wrong.