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11621250 No.11621250 [Reply] [Original]

What's the scoop on this guy? Is he legit?
Can what he says be taken seriously?

>> No.11621263

Of course. On the heat, off the heat. It's all you need to know about cooking.

>> No.11621271

>>11621250
Why u post this every day?

>> No.11621273
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>>11621250
Locals have said this pizza was delicious. So unless he's talking about beef wellington or some other meme british bullshit you can safely discard his opinion on food.

>> No.11621277

>>11621250
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little chef? You think you're some kind of hot fucking shit trying to pretend you don't fucking know who I fucking am? I'm the biggest fucking chef on this fucking fuckface of a planet and I'll boil your ass in liquid garlic if you try to fucking talk fucking shit about me. The last fucking cheeky fuck who thought he could fuck me in the ass like this was stripped of his fucking cooking license by my fucking fingers while I fucked him in the ass even harder. It was fucking hot. Fuck.

>> No.11621286

>>11621277
That's funny, because I saw someone write something similar once except he wasn't a chef he was a marine or something.

>> No.11621288

Why does he say everything he tastes is bad?
How the fuck is he alive if he hates everything he eats?

>> No.11621417

Bamp

>> No.11621424

>>11621288
He only does that in the American kitchen nightmares.
Watch the kino UK episodes.

>> No.11621471
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11621471

>>11621250
He yells at the waifus. He is a shit and I will do him a punch

>> No.11621589

>>11621250
Hell's Kitchen is an intentionally forced drama and super-hard pressure to try to break the contestants.
Kitchen Nightmares it's trying to wake up people who don't know why they're failing and help them get better, even if it's usually a lost cause.
His home cooking series is just calm, friendly, and all about how much he loves cooking.

>> No.11621902

>>11621288
They preselect only shitty restaurants as a pre-condition to be on the show, the food sucking is gonna be the norm

>>11621589
This.

I fucking love KN, watch too much of it, and like to read about the restaurants and how they do several years after the show. There are common threads. The biggest four failure modes I’ve seen on the show:

>1. Nobody ran the numbers on how to make the business profitable

These can be saved if they sound mad, not defeated, that they’re not making cash.

>Subtle symptoms are
>>big tubs of premade shit straight up thrown in the dumpster
>>Prices are way out of wack compared to the area and restaurant type
>>Giant menus and kitchen

2. They don’t have anyone who knows how to cook.

These can never be saved. If Ramsey can’t find at least one good food item he unironically enjoyed from a cook the whole episode, he doesn’t have enough time in a week to turn garbage chefs into mediocre ones, let alone good ones.

>3. The owners are dysfunctional or remorselessly disinterested

If the dysfunction is specific and interpersonal, they can be saved by cutting other parties out and giving one competent party full control. Disinterest or “won’t do anything” incompetency is a death sentence though.

>more subtle symptoms of incurable no fucks given:
>>serious and obvious insect infestation
>>they don’t care about rotten food in the freezer
>>they send out raw food or burnt food as if that’s okay

>4. They develop persecution complexes and scare off repeat business

A lot of restaurants blame Yelp for their woes. If they complain even once about reviewers out to get them (they can complain that they can’t get good reviews, but conspiracy is the keyword), then they’re already dead and just don’t know it yet.

But 2 is the biggest predictor. When Gordon compliments the food, they will make it. When he likes one element (dessert, or a pasta or whatever), it’s a toss-up. No positivity is not salvageable.

>> No.11621903

>>11621471
back to twitter, ironic weeb subhuman

>> No.11622106

>>11621288
Forced drama.
>find any problem with food, no matter how minor
>pretend that aforementioned problem makes food completely inedible
>if one cannot be found, just invent one because who the fuck is going to question you
>send camera crew to visit the other patrons (who all drove two states over just to appear on TV)
>they're all picking the food apart to back you up because they want people to think that their palate is as refined as le angry TV chef man

>> No.11622136

>>11621903
this

>> No.11622668

>>11622106
I figured as much

>>11621902
Hotel Hell is really good too. I'm addicted.

>> No.11623397

>>11622106
>>11622668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVMxZMxkAgM

He has found stuff he enjoyed, and cleaned his plate at Mama Cherri's. The third case in this video it was the first thing the chef had gotten a chance to do his way instead of following the micromanaging, thieving dickhead owner's shitty demands.

If the food is actually good, he'll say so.

>> No.11623541

>>11622668
>>11622106

He doesn't beat around the bush about giving good food compliments.

I've watched like half of all episodes and I've never seen the man deliver anything that even might have been hatchet job on a restaurant.

Most of the time, in fact, when he complains, the flaws are usually basic and objective things:
>They served raw or clearly burned food
>the consistency of bread items are limp and soggy
>It tastes frozen or microwaved (And they inevitably find it was, if he brings it up)
>The dish composition is nasty (stupid shit like a burger with pineapple and peanut butter on it)

And none of those things require you to say "The flavor is indescribable and fairly inedible", you can literally see it on screen.

The only point of forced drama is he screams at them to wake the fuck up and get their shit together, which isn't strictly necessary to make his points, but I find cathartic so to each their own.

>> No.11623606

I'm afraid if i become a chef I'll be like Ramsey. I fucking hate dealing with slow, incompetent restaurant staff

>> No.11623647

>>11621250
His signature restaurant has had 3 Michelin stars since 2001 you faggot

>> No.11623662

>>11623397
>cleaned his plate at Mama Cherri's
Of course - she was black. Gotta show bongs how wonderful they are.
(yeah bong, the show was staged in your days too)

>> No.11623666

>>11622106
My favourite is when the reopening is going well so the production crew sends an intern to fuck with the kitchen equipment.

>> No.11623812

>>11621273
that looks like complete shit

>> No.11623862

>>11621250
He's a legit good cook.

https://youtu.be/1S1fXE-hNu4

>> No.11623933

>>11623662
And there's the shithead with shithead opinions.

>> No.11623939

>>11623541
And even then, he only resorts to yelling when it becomes clear they won't listen to him otherwise.

>> No.11623947

>>11623862
And before Ramsay hit it huge as a TV star: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmOOljY19Q8

>> No.11623966

>>11623647
What does that mean though?

>> No.11623986

He has 17 Michelin stars, the most out of any chef in the world.
Go figure. Dude is a genius when it comes to food. Impeccable technique, to say the least.

>> No.11623987

he's a hack, watch his "poifect borgah" video and tell me if you would seriously take advice from that guy

>> No.11624026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ewQo6y6Qk

He lost all credibility when he planted that dead mouse in a restaurant.

>> No.11624070

>>11624026
Why would he have to plant a dead mouse in a filthy restaurant where they had records covering holes in the wall?

>> No.11624126

>>11624070
I don't know man, I'm really disappointed

>> No.11624131

>>11621273
>local midwestern flyovers think they know pizza
lol

>> No.11624133

>>11623966
It means it's one of the top restaurants in the world according to Michelin's guidelines. Whatever you think of Michelin's guidelines, he knows what he's doing.

>> No.11624151

>>11624126
Or, you know, he really did find it there.

>> No.11624177

>>11624151
Nah, I'd rather believe the restaurant staff. I mean they know the place better than Ramsay, right?

>> No.11624193

>>11624177
You think anything changes at Restaurant Gordon Ramsay without his approval?

>> No.11624285

>>11623987

You mean this burger?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_KMYulI_s

I thought it looked pretty good. What did you dislike about it?

>>11624177
I wouldn't, and a consistent theme of the show is "A lot of restaurants have no fucking clue what they're doing until an outsider points out that they're fucking up."

First instinct of every single restaurant when asked about quality issues is lie. One example is that the conversation

>When did you make these?
>Yesterday...
>No you fucking didn't.
>Ok it was really 4 weeks okay

Happens literally every other fucking episode. This damaged a lot of my trust for the restaurant staff in all of these episodes.

The last thought I have is Gordon doesn't need to plant dead rats to shit on a bad restaurant, he knows he would be sued into oblivion if he did, and every restaurant that makes the cut has enough issues to carry an episode without doctoring new ones. Restaurant staff, however, are tied to the fate of their restaurant, and have huge incentives to not have the place look like shit, because otherwise they lose days of paid work or lose their job.

>> No.11624291

>>11624193
>>11624285
Nah he definitely planted the mouse, there's a Youtube video about it >>11624026

>> No.11624333

>>11624291
>He finds it and shows everyone
>HUrr pRoOfs hE pLanTeD iT

>> No.11624342

>>11624291
>Mouse there in the past
>Exterminator isn't there for rats
>2:05 seconds they admit they've had dead mice in the place before
>Footage of him walking in with it already there

He himself objectively didn't plant the mouse. The film crew in theory could have, but based on the staff comments about having them a year back and the exterminator not coming there for mice, I'm inclined to think they didn't.

>> No.11624374

>>11621902
>>11621589
the uk version of Kitchen Nightmares is so much better than the US version if you actually like to see the process of gordon trying to fix a restaurant instead of it turning into a dr. phil-esque show about the owners daddy issues

>> No.11624504

>>11624374
What if the co-owner is the Dad and robbed his son of half a mil to start the restaurant?

And the Dad was doing the exact same shit he had written about his own father doing in a book he'd published?

>> No.11624522

How did Gordon get his start? Did he just start at a restaurant and work his way up or did he go to school?

>> No.11624535

>>11624522
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Ramsay#Early_cooking_career

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>>11621471
Ramsey no!!!!

>> No.11626277

>>11621273
>locals vs. a Michelin starred chef
Uhhhhh.

>> No.11626281

>>11626277
>people who have tasted and enjoyed a product vs. a "man" who makes his living by maintaining a negative attitude

>> No.11626335

>>11623662
he's been to black restaurants with shit food though

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>>11624291
well shit, bro, if there's a youtube video about it...

>> No.11626393

>>11624291
Wait are you actually telling me that the video uploaded by the official channel is supposed to convince me that he did plant it?

>> No.11627127

>>11626281
>Still trying this bullshit approach
His job on the show is to honestly assess why a restaurant is failing, which includes detailing what's wrong with the food. He's not there to blow smoke up their asses, and if the food is good he says so.

>> No.11627135

>>11627127
Not really. No one watching that show cares about his honest assessment they want to see le angry British man react to gross food. And he plays it up because that’s what he gets paid for.

>> No.11627155

>>11621250
some of his pronounciations are utterly horror, especially «croissant»
>KWASAN

>> No.11627289

>>11627135
Except for all the times he does get something good and praises it. Like everything at Mama Cherri's.

One place served him shelf-stable boil in bag lamb shank. Another used funnels to make crappy cone-shaped salads. That's the kind of shit people try to serve him.

The restaurants are just that bad, anon, and you're in as much denial as the owners who say shit like "our problem is that we need more customers."

>> No.11627545

>>11627289
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-o4GX8waLc

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>>11627545
jesus

>> No.11628420

>>11621250
He likes to keep his pans hot. That's all that matters.

>> No.11628435

>>11623666
>DEVILISH

>> No.11628617

>>11628420
As a cook I've found that keeping them too hot will cook stuff too fast and usually burn sauces.

>> No.11628633

>>11627545
Holy shit

>> No.11628665

>>11624535
>In the mid-1980s, he worked as a commis chef at the Wroxton House Hotel then ran the kitchen and 60-seat dining room at the Wickham Arms, until his sexual relationship with the owner's wife made the situation difficult.
chad

>> No.11628713

The food is probably tolerable to most people but as a world-renowned chef Ramsey's tastes are obviously more discriminating.

>> No.11628731

>Tell owner that he and his business will be "swimming in the river"
>Owner commits suicide by jumping into the river a few months after airing of the show, leaving behind a wife and children

>> No.11628874

>>11628731
Gordon can only do so much in the few days he's on site. All he can really do is find the issues, advise on how to fix them, maybe do some initial therapy work if it's needed, and get them off to a fresh start. If they go back into the old habits or just throw out the fixes, it's not his fault, they were going under without him showing up to begin with.

>> No.11629470

>>11628713
This. He's so used to the very best that unless something is really good it's just going to taste bad to him

>> No.11629514

>>11629470
>Every possible excuse except the failing restaurants have bad food 99% of the time

>> No.11629524

>>11629514
You'd be surprised how little people care about shitty food. It's the reason chain restaurants stay profitable.

>> No.11629525

>>11629514
I"m not saying their food is good I'm just saying that most people would eat it and go "meh" and never return.

>> No.11629540

>>11629525
And that's the problem. They tell everyone they know its "meh" and there's no new customers, either. It gets bad reviews.

If you can't get the 1 thing you're supposed to provide your customers right, how the hell can you stay in business? Ramsey doesn't demand perfection and gourmet cooking, he demands they give a fuck about if the food's any good.

>> No.11629543

>>11628713
This isn't really true. If you watch the stuff where he's dealing with amateur cooks or teaching non-pros how to cook he's very nice and accepting. His vitriol is for people who pass themselves off as professionals but can't fucking cook.

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>>11629524
Chains offer value in other ways, it's not that people don't care, it's just not why you go to one

Chains have:
>Giant menus that guarantee everyone at least has SOMETHING they'd eat. Chilis can feed you, for any possible 'you'.
>High availability. In any medium to large city, it's like 95% certain you're within 5 miles of a Dennys, and 99% certain you're within 2 of a McDonalds
>Consistent quality means informed consumers. Yeah it's usually some variation on mediocre, but you know that long before you walk in, and you also know its unlikely to make you sick or disappoint you since your expectations are perfectly calibrated.
>Long hours: chains are open basically 24/7 and are well-lit, heated, and secure places that are safe to dine at
>Cheap: Many low-end or fast food chains are cheap as fuck.
>Fast: IHOP can make you a plate of 3-5 breakfast foods that would take 20-40 minutes at home in about 15 minutes, because they have them constantly cooking
>Specialized comfort food is easier than cooking: If you want something like hashed browns or a burger and fries, that's a decent amount of time and prep required (Dethaw patties, prep your grill/meat, slice and fry/bake potatoes) when you can have some guy in a hat make it for you instantly.

This is why people will tolerate mediocre chains. You'll notice that mediocre restaurants that are willing to do some or all of the above actually do pretty okay for themselves.

That's because customers actually value that other shit.

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>>11621424
>UK

Never watched one before and the vibe is totally different, it's like Orange Juice compared to American Sprite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU1yMCZ1Ee8

Somewhere around the 8 minute mark I can easily imagine the American version being like
>ITS FUCKING DRY
>YOU SERVED ME SHIT AND YOU'RE FEEDING YOUR CUSTOMERS SHIT
>DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW TO COOK?

It's night and day

>> No.11629851

Hotels He'll is fun to watch for the hotel/business stuff. The actual food stuff gets old fast since he just says literally everything is bad.

>> No.11629856

The fact that there are so many threads about Gordon Ramsay here epitomizes that this place is reddit.
Marco is our guy.

>> No.11629885

>>11621277
I don't think you know who you're talking to right now I thin you should calm down or else.

>> No.11629948

>>11629789
Eh, same overall content, just more aggressively played up.

I mean, look at the Fenwick Arms episode. The guy was running what was supposed to be a neighborhood pub like a high-end restaurant with a ton of pretentious bullshit and working himself literally to death 120 hours a week, with his last "vacation" being when he had a heart attack.

You could actually see why he kept shooting for heights he couldn't actually reach when he was told to go and get ready for a night at the pub and he thought it meant get dressed for a formal dinner. And he regressed to the same bullshit that was killing the place within a week.
>What in the fuck are you doing in here?
>Ohhh fuck me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBaUq8aK9i0

>> No.11629985

>>11629789
I mean, in some cases "do you even know how to cook?" is a pretty valid question. Like in a soul food restaurant where they smoke wings constantly in a huge super-high end smoker, then toss them in the fridge and serving the next day. And the micromanaging owner is cooking soul food in a wok like it's a Chinese restaurant.

>> No.11629989

>>11629789
Or this fucking donkey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOz2Rqzdkw0

>> No.11629993

>>11629948

>Same content played up more

I personally don't agree because the moment to moment is so fundamentally altered.

There are so many bits in the episode linked though that 100% would not fly in the American version

>The kitchen condemning
He would've shut the place down during the service in front of all the customers, dropped the dirty greasy tray in the main dining room, and screamed at all the chefs till they cried, he wouldn't just wrap it up in safety tape and say in a neutral voice "Come on, you guys, quit screwing around, your place is a fucking pigpen."

>The confession scene with all those silly puns
Would never happen in the American version

>The whimsical oxtail scene where the chefs all showed they know nothing about butchery and they make poop jokes
Would never happen in the American version, too quaint

>The attention to reducing costs and ways to do that
Almost never happens on camera in the American version

Point is that it's not really the same content because in my view all the moment-to-moment substance is fundamentally changed

>That entire revisit clip
It's cute as hell even if he's incredibly disappointed in him. It's the perfect example of the difference.

>> No.11630250

>>11621286
Hello, newfriend.

>> No.11630834

>>11627545
That lamb would make a really good MRE

>> No.11630941

>>11621250
he's a meme who gets by on his celebrity. kitchen skills are just average.

>> No.11630943

his breathy, frenetic speaking style (even when doing something totally mundane) is fucking obnoxious

>> No.11631213

>>11627289
>Except for all the times he does get something good and praises it. Like everything at Mama Cherri's.
That's because he is slightly biased, in that he prefers unpretentious food made well, instead of trying to make fancy dishes and missing the mark.

>> No.11631216

>>11630941
>Got to where he is by being a spectacular chef
>hurr nut gud cuk

>> No.11631226

I swear to god sometimes Ramsay is wrong about some things in Kitchen Nightmares but he gets away with it

>> No.11631254

>>11631213
Did you watch the clip from Bourdain's show before Ramsay was a TV celeb?

Most people would call that kind of complex tasting menu pretentious, but the difference is that they actually hits the mark he was aiming for, which is why that restaurant has had 3 Michelin stars since 2001.

If it's a Greek restaurant, he expects it to be authentic. With the expat in Spain, he had to deal with a guy trying too hard to be everything at once. He expects that if you're going to be running a restaurant, simple or complex dishes, that you actually deliver good food. And that you don't take bullshit shortcuts that kill the quality like making 5000 meatballs last week and freezing them, or nuking everything, especially like Catering Pearla microwaving chimichangas before frying them. Or just straight up buying frozen pre-made crap and lying about them to your customers.

>> No.11631257

>>11631226
Can you actually articulate that, or is it just general celebrity hating?

>> No.11631290

>>11631257
He once claimed that Espetadas didn't exist or they were wrong for presenting it from a hook even though that is the legit way to do it.
He also once discouraged and changed the menu of a restaurant because it was elderly friendly and made it a generic restaurant. Those elderly apparently never went back because the menu and prices changed so they basically lost their favourite restaurant. That was so unnecessary and I'm still mad about it to this day.
There are other things but can't remember them right now.

>> No.11631305

>>11631257
I'm not that dude, but I've seen him make mistakes before. I don't hate the guy. Far from it. I consider it reasonable. Nobody is perfect, is it honestly worth mentioning when you see someone make a mistake?

>>Durr look, that celeb did something WRONG
Who gives a shit? Everyone does that.

One specific thing I can recall from Ramsay is that he often talks about "searing meat" to "seal" it. We know today that the idea of searing meat has nothing to do with "sealing" and everything to do with the Maillard reaction, but it's hardly surprising that Ramsay keeps repeating "seal", after all that's surely how it was drummed into his head (probably literally) when he was an apprentice cook.

But like I said, I don't see at as "hating" on anyone. Nobody is perfect, and pointing out someone making a mistake doesn't imply hate.

>> No.11631324

>>11631290
I think in general it was more that those "elderly friendly" options were literally giving away food at a 2 for 1 rate they couldn't afford to maintain (like, the standard option at at least two different places was to walk away with a free take-out plate of a full entree) while they couldn't draw in any other customers.

What good does it do to cater to a specific customer group if the way you're doing so is killing your business?

>> No.11631329

>>11631305
Oh yeah, I'm >>11631226 but I still think Ramsay is a legend. It is just unfortunate that he may not listen to the staff at all or he may lead them the wrong way sometimes, not all the time. He is also proven to be a bit of a hypocrite but that's just what happens when you have spent decades in the industry.

>> No.11631341

>>11631324
They could continue catering to that community as community growth is as important as income but keep it economically feasible. Ramsay just straight up removed their entire menu. If I remember correctly they ended up splitting the menus for lunch/dinner to cater to both customers.

>> No.11632030

>>11631290
That elderly restaurant that catered to old people was giving away food for free with 2 for 1 vouchers. It was literally killing the business slowly but surely.
If Gordon didn't fix it it would have failed sooner than it did. Gordon did nothing wrong.

>> No.11632046

>>11626281
Just so we're clear, that pizza place was failing due to poor business

>> No.11632100

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N41_uJ8AnmI

>> No.11632116

>>11632046
Yeah, it was voted best, what, 25 years prior and they were hanging on to that one accolade as if it meant the current pizza was any good?

>> No.11632231

>>11632100
James Corden is such a closeted homo

>> No.11632239

>>11629856
>the sellout is /ourguy/

Most reddit post in this thread

>> No.11632572

>>11627545
>Boomer chef's special orange sauce
>Orange squash and gravy
>Wa la
>Boomer chef's famous lambshank
>Not made in the kitchen
>Floating in preservatives
>Cooked until barely even meat anymore
>Wa la

>> No.11632931

>>11632572
Gravy concentrate he spoons from a bucket.