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12028516 No.12028516 [Reply] [Original]

Do fish feel pain?

>> No.12028519

no

>> No.12028525

>>12028516
I hope

>> No.12028526

>>12028519
But pain is the body's response to negative stimuli, and it makes you avoid that situation. Surely fish have neurons that signal negative stimuli?

>> No.12028535

>>12028526
no

>> No.12028537

>>12028516

only when they are in water

>> No.12028539

>>12028516
do you mean fish as in the food or the fish that lives in the water??

>> No.12028540
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12028540

But, do dogs feel pain?

>> No.12028547

>>12028526
no

>> No.12028550

>>12028540
I don't have problems with eating dogs if they're raised as meat dogs but this is just sad.

>> No.12028551

>>12028540
no

>> No.12028553
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>>12028540
Do human babies feel pain?

>> No.12028559

>>12028553
no

>> No.12028569
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12028569

>>12028553
>pitbull
>6-month-old
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
>>12028550
South Koreans have a festival that involved dog eating. They believed that torturing dogs made them more flavorful. Thankfully city people have all but stopped their ridiculous shit.

The regional Chinese dog eating festival however, polls show about half of all people are okay with it.

>> No.12028571
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>>12028516
Want to know how to kill painfree?
>>40854482

>> No.12028573

>>12028553
I was in the library for some reason and I was reading a book about forensic techniques used in investigations
and one of the cases a guys dog bit his toddler and really hurt it, but he panicked and instead of taking the kid to a hospital he executed it with a shovel, chopped it up, and fed it to the dog
then went on continuing to buy baby food and diapers and stuff for weeks so nobody would get suspicious until eventually people realized they hadn't seen the kid and he got busted

and that's how he learned what luminol was

>> No.12028575

>>12028571
>>>/k/40854006

>> No.12028577

>>12028553

Pit bulls must be exterminated indiscriminately.

>> No.12028578

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_fish

>> No.12028584
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>>12028573
dude

>> No.12028591
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12028591

Are any of you any good at baking?
Please post the best recipe for baked goods that you've attempted

>> No.12028593

>>12028540
no.

>> No.12028597

>>12028573
>executed it with a shovel
That's a suspiciously disattached way of saying murdered or killed.

>> No.12028629
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>>12028575
Clicking was a mistake

>> No.12028767

>>12028573
>he panicked and instead of taking the kid to a hospital he executed it with a shovel

I heard this story, but instead of a baby it was a turtle and instead of some guy it was Sage Francis

>> No.12028787

It's okay to eat fish cause they don't have any feelings.

>> No.12028789

>>12028516
yes, it's all that they feel and that is why you should kill them.

>> No.12028814
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12028814

>be fish
>get caught
>get skinned alive
>all I can do is open and close my mouth very fishly
>my head gets chopped off and thrown into a bucket full with other gaping fish heads
>ask the fish head next to me:
"Excuse me sir, sorry for bothering your closing-gaping-mouth fish routine, but I was wondering if you felt any pain throughout this whole ordeal!"
>no answer
>mfw

>> No.12029046

>>12028540
The chinks will pay for this

>> No.12029058

>>12029046
I never understood the fetishism concerning dogs. It's an animal, dude. You can eat it. It can sustain you.

>> No.12029069

>>12028789
i truly am sorry for all our fish friends in the big blue

>> No.12029074

>>12029069
Imagine how horrible it is being a fish. Living in your own piss n' shit. Being cold all the time in the winter for a lack of affordable central heating. Big sharks being after you all the time. Having no social security, healthcare. It must be nearly as horrible as being an american.

>> No.12029075

>>12029058
Eating companion animals in the west is seen as evil for some reason, even though pigs and cows are total bros. Just a bunch of hypocrisy

>> No.12029077

>>12029058
We know dog is an animal. We understand different cultures eat different forms of meat.

The fact is dogs are abused and beaten to fuck. They are thrown into pots of boiling oil alive. It is fucking barbaric and evil.

That's the problem.

>> No.12029085

>>12028516
They flop vigorously when I fuck them so maybe

>> No.12029102

>>12029077
Oh, that makes sense. However, I don't think it's fair to apply cherry picked internet shock videos to a whole country. Many parts of China are still in third world conditions, hence the ignorance and practices.

>> No.12029110

>>12028540
stray dogs are a pest who cannot feel pain due to street fighting injuries. They must be eliminated.

>> No.12029114

>>12028553
For the first month or so, they dont feel pain or they feel less of it.

>> No.12029124
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12029124

Do Broccoli feel pains? It has a central nervous system like all of us, albeit less developed. It reacts to the environment like all of us.

How is ethical to eat the broccolis?

>> No.12029125

>>12029102
You're suggesting there's parts of China who run dog farms. Where the dogs are well looked after and not locked in cages Where they're stunned and killed instantly so they don't suffer.

Love to see the proof.

>> No.12029128

>>12029124
Yes they do. Its well documented vegetables feel pain.

>> No.12029145

>>12029124
>tfw have central nervous syste, but don't have any nerves

>> No.12029150

>>12029046
Yes, about $5 per dog.

>> No.12029157

>>12028553
nope, circumcise him moishe

>> No.12029179

>>12029058
chinks are soulless bug-people and should have no right to decide the fate of higher life forms such as dogs

>> No.12029187

>>12028516
all the time, their life is nothing but pain from the second they are born.

>> No.12029291

>>12029125
but those places are also where they dont eat dogs
lmao

>> No.12029332

>>12029150
Kek

>> No.12029380

>>12029150
heh

>> No.12029575

>>12029058
No problem with other cultures eating dog. It's the treatment of the animals that sickens me.
At least the West has tried it's hardest to ensure humane treatment and slaughter of animals in recent years

>> No.12029620

>>12029077
t. Moralfag

>> No.12029713
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>>12028540
Chink Genocide when

>> No.12029904

>>12028559
What DON'T you '''people''' eat?

>> No.12029922

>>12028516
who cares

>> No.12030285

>>12028787
Something in the way
OOOOOhooooooo

>> No.12030350

>>12028516
My uncle taught me to kill fish ultra quickly. Takes less than a second and the fish tastes better too.

>> No.12030370

>>12028540
they look so happy to be squished with all of their bros ;_;

>> No.12030374

>>12029713
It really is the only option, you can't change them. Communism makes people have no regard for life. And if they're ok with running a toddler over twice just to avoid paying his hospital bills then how can we expect them to give a fuck about dogs?

>> No.12030377

>>12028516
Of course they do, but why does that matter. Chickens, pigs, and cows feel pain, that’s never stopped you before.

>> No.12030383

>>12030377
Plenty of "vegetarians" are ok with eating fish

>> No.12030400

>>12030377
Higher-developed animals also experience suffering though, not just pain.

>> No.12030419

>>12030400
If you keep fish you'll realize they're as capable of suffering as a cow.

>> No.12030435

>>12030419
If you believe Harry Potter is real and all animals are secretly as intelligent as humans and you anthropomorphize a creature with a brain smaller than its eyeball, sure, fish are capable of suffering.

>> No.12030440

>>12030419
Damn, cows are dumber than I thought.

>> No.12030449

>>12028526
Plants have negative stimuli

>> No.12030455

>>12030449
plants are faggots.

>> No.12030461

>>12028526
no

>> No.12030548

>>12029128
No, they show some kind of reaction to stimulii, calling it pain is a huge stretch

>> No.12030605

>>12030548
Pain = negative physical stimuli that produces an aversion response. Too much hot sun on a plant = pain stimuli = stems move away from hot sun. Bacteria enters water that's too salty = pain stimuli = flaggelates away from salty water. Organisms do not need neurons to experience pain and aversion response.

Suffering = mental anguish resulting from pain. Suffering is the most obvious sign of pain (in developed animals) so it's mistaken for pain, but pain = physical and suffering = mental. A lot of animals don't particularly care about pain (beyond moving away from whatever caused it) because they lack the brain power to experience suffering. You can chop a fish's tail off while alive and it won't particularly care because its little peanut brain can't suffer. Cut a dog's leg off and it'll suffer for a while but get over it quickly. Cut a human's leg off and he'll suffer for the rest of his life.

Advanced brains = more suffering because it better teaches us to avoid the pain that caused it, but it's anguish on our mental state. Simple brains = less or no suffering because they simply lack the neural real estate to comprehend a time when the pain wasn't there.

So yes plants, bacteria, fish, chickens, and pigs all feel pain, but they just don't care about it as much as we do, if they even care at all.

>> No.12030622

>>12030435
But claiming cows suffer is not anthropomorphism at all?

>> No.12030626

>>12030622
Read my post here >>12030605
It will answer all your questions about how cows and fish are different.

>> No.12030675

>>12030626
I watched a video about sheep getting caught in brambles. They don't even struggle, they just stand and wait for death to come. Most farm animals really don't seem to care all that much about pain.

>> No.12030689

>>12030675
It's evolutionary. In the wild, as a small-brained animal, it's better for your survival to pick up and move on after experiencing pain. Sitting around and suffering is just going to get you killed by the next big fish or wolf that comes by.
Developed animals though can afford to spend some time suffering, to really drill in the instructions to never put your foot in a bear trap, or run into the street without looking, or touch the electric fence. We're smart enough to not let the suffering impact our survival, but we still gain important lessons from it.

>> No.12030696

>>12030400
>>12030419
Personally I believe that most kinds of animal life and even most kinds of plant life is capable of suffering. However, in a universe with an entropy slope like ours to exist is by definition to cause suffering. Suffering doesn’t even require self-awareness, which is where I actually do draw the line on what is okay to kill and eat. So no eating cetaceans, cephalopods, or hominids. Except I’ve totally eaten cephalopods before fuck. Starting now then.

>> No.12030729

>>12030696
You're still confusing pain with suffering. Suffering takes brain power - you have to conceptualize a time when the pain wasn't there, compare it to your current state, recognize that now is worse than then, and begin conceptualizing a time when the pain won't be here, and anticipate that time. Phew, that's a lot of different parts of a developed brain all working together. A fish brain, a chicken brain, a clam's "brain" (it's just a particularly large bundle of nerves), they just do not have the neuron capacity to devote to all that conceptualization. But they do have automatic aversion responses to pain, which is how they continue to survive.
I'm sorry to all the people who anthropomorphize animals, but if you cut off a chicken's foot while it's alive, it will try to avoid having the other foot cut off but otherwise this event will not impact the chicken's day or mental state. It'll just hop away to find food or sex.

>> No.12031888

>>12028516
>>12028526
They're too dumb to understand pain.

>> No.12031924

>>12028516
not when they're dead
duh

>> No.12031992

>>12028553
Planned Parenthood says no because it cuts into their bottom line, therefore they don’t feel pain

>> No.12032007

>>12028516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5edG7Qq9_r0

>> No.12032139
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>>12028573
I love my dog I'd probably do this shit

>> No.12032186

>>12030729
what about dogs. draw the line for me I want to keep eating meat

>> No.12032210

>>12032186
I worked at the vet for 10 years, the latter 5 at an emergency vet hospital. Believe me when I tell you that dogs will suffer, especially if they can get sympathy from humans for it because they're smart like that, but a dog will get up on 3 legs with the 4th one dangling broken and walk. So, if you're going to eat dog, don't worry about the condition of the pen but slaughter them quickly/humanely.

>> No.12032217

>>12028569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lza6hTx5b0

>> No.12032240

>>12028540
no

>> No.12032245

>>12028553
no

>> No.12032249

>>12028516
Who cares? Animals are for eating, not for giving a fuck about.

I admit I'd still make sure it's dead rather than vivisect the thing.

>> No.12032251

>>12030374
>communism causes this
>to avoid paying hospital bills
are you fucking retarded or do you not read your own writing?

>> No.12032257

>>12032217
based and dogpilled

>> No.12032300

>>12032249
Wow sociopath

>> No.12032314

>>12028814
I know this was funny in your head

>> No.12032345

>>12032300
Perhaps, but not sadistic.

>> No.12032408

>>12028516
Only when you think about it.

>> No.12032414

>>12030455
you're a faggot

>> No.12032541

I took my gf fishing and got her to cut the throat of the fish she caught and taught her how to gut it, apparently it was the first thing she ever killed intentionally (she drowned a sick calf by accident trying to tube feed it electrolytes and cried but that's another story)

I suppose cooking a live crayfish is another big first that some people encounter when getting involved in where their food comes from.

>> No.12032559

>>12032541
Is your gf single?

>> No.12032562

>>12029058
It can herd sheep and cattle for you, who eat grass, so why not eat them instead. I have to feed my dogs meat and they are lean as hell from running around the hills all day. I'd sooner eat a rat if I was starving and I would give them the bones.

>> No.12032577 [DELETED] 

>>12032559
Nah we traveled a lot of the world together, lived long term in some other countries, now we run a farm together, shit I should probably marry her soon.

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>>12032559

>> No.12032608

>>12032597
Hinamatsuri. You're gonna have to get up pretty early to slip a manga reaction face by me.

>> No.12032702

>>12028516

only things with eyebrows feel pain

>> No.12032761

>>12032702
Hmm...that's a pretty good way to put it...

>> No.12032774

>>12028516
they do when you call them retarded

>> No.12032797

>>12029575
;)

>> No.12032824

>>12028569
>They believed that torturing dogs made them more flavorful.
I know this goes without saying but those people are fucking retarded. Not only because its completely barbaric and sadistic but because the exact opposite is true as adrenaline will ruin the meat and make it rough and flavorless. Literally any hunter on the planet could tell you this.

>> No.12032827

>>12032824
We're talking about people who think that sheep placenta makes their dicks bigger.