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[Anonymous No.13461119]

Why did ciders die out in America?

[Anonymous No.13461123]

>>13461119
Too much sugar. Millennials don’t eat much sugar compared to boomers

[Anonymous No.13461129]

>>13461123

Hard cider isn't popular among boomers either. They grew up with Budweiser.

[Anonymous No.13461131]

>>13461119
Because shitty IPAs took their place.

[Anonymous No.13461157]

>>13461119
Probably because of prohibition.

[Anonymous No.13461159]

>>13461123
boomers chug sugar water like crazy

[Anonymous No.13461163]

>>13461157

I've read this. It's easier to re-grow barley than apple trees so beer became more popular and ciders died out here. Still, you'd think the tradition would be preserved in modern times.

[Anonymous No.13461170]

>>13461119
because you can make pies, and juice, and sauce, and flavore additives with apples, or just eat them straight.
what can you do with spoiled rice and rotten wheat? Just one thing I know of.

[Anonymous No.13461174]

>>13461170

We had enough apples to do that plus make hard cider.

[Anonymous No.13461180]

>>13461163
Cider and perry are slowly gaining market share and not just kool-aid sweet trash like Angry Orchard.

[Anonymous No.13461186]

>>13461180

I can't find Woodchuck anymore. It was really popular here not too long ago. I mostly see Bold Rock and AO.

[Anonymous No.13461193]

>>13461157
prohibition made American drinking patterns more uniform.

[Anonymous No.13461202]

>>13461119
the state of alcohol in america in the 20th century was pretty abysmal.

pre-prohibition, people made local beers, and most everything else was bourbon, imported cognac/brandy, imported gin, or imported rum. vodka was unheard of.

the whole industry was murdered by prohibition in the 1920s. all the small breweries went out of business. american's taste in alcohol changed to what was available: smuggled in canadian whiskey and caribbean rum. most of the famous early 20th century cocktails involve these ingredients for a reason. they remained popular into the 1970s and 1980s, when vodka started to become the drink of choice.

beer rebooted after prohibition and took off thru ww2, but it was mass produced by miller, budweiser, coors, etc. in huge factories using corn as the main industrial feedstock. this went on until the 1990s when craft beer started becoming a thing.

so for cider, I can assume that the people that were making it went out of business just like the beerbros and never started back up again after prohibition killed their livelihood.

t. I worked for a summer at Brown Forman

[Anonymous No.13461207]

Cider WAS growing until a couple years ago, and looked poised to break out then spiked seltzers came along and stole all of the momentum as the new hip carbonated beverage.

[Anonymous No.13461215]

>>13461207
aint no laws when you're drinking claws

[Anonymous No.13461219]

>>13461207
cider probably would've done better if they had actually made some dry varieties. it was all way too sweet.

[Anonymous No.13461244]

>>13461119
I don't know about other countries or regions, but here in midwest America our alcohol culture is very anti-sweet. Sweet drinks are for girls, MEN drink bitter drinks! Beer and liquor! Mixed drinks and ciders are faggy. And that's why cider is not popular in my area anyway.

[Anonymous No.13461251]

>>13461207
>couple years ago
>spiked seltzers
I thought that shit came out in the last half of 2019. What do you mean a couple years ago?

[Anonymous No.13461266]

>>13461251
they've been around for at least 3 years, but they just now blew up in popularity

[Anonymous No.13461292]

>>13461119
Americans are a tough, hardy culture and don't need all that sugar. I prefer to drink my coffee (black) and eat an apple (sliced by my benchmade knife).

[Anonymous No.13461297]

>>13461292
Based AF

[Anonymous No.13461340]

i don't know what ciders you guys are drinking that are sweet. i'd generally call it more tangy

[Anonymous No.13461351]

>>13461340
>i don't know what ciders you guys are drinking that are sweet.
a lot of the ones in america are pretty sweet. what are some ones that aren't so sweet? my wife's been wanting one but every time i bring a case home they're really sweet

[Anonymous No.13461362]

Beer culture got into this really stupid kick where people decided if it didn't taste like garbage it wasn't a man's drink.

[Anonymous No.13461375]

>>13461340
Big names that are easily found at the supermarket are usually very sweet (in the US) (even ones advertised as "dry").

>>13461351
Make your own. It's ridiculously easy to homebrew dry or semi-dry cider. I use bottled juice (not from concentrate and using US grown apples) and make 5 gallon batches for about $15-20 and it creates a very good product. You don't need to live near an orchard or press your own apples to create decent cider.

[Anonymous No.13461379]

>>13461340
Everything is sweet in America

[Anonymous No.13461385]

>>13461379
It contrasts nicely with Yurop's perpetual bitterness.

[Anonymous No.13461391]

>>13461292
>Americans are a tough, hardy culture and don't need all that sugar.

[Anonymous No.13461397]

>>13461375
>Make your own.
one day I will become a homeowner and also own a garage for projects like this. feels fucking bad having to brew beer or work on my guns in the living room or kitchen lol

[Anonymous No.13461403]

>>13461119
prohibition. cider is made from cider apples (duh) and it takes them a while to restart, whereas you can plow and plant corn and barley within a year. So all those dudes who had cider apple orchards chopped down their trees and planted other crops, then never went back to it

[Anonymous No.13461420]

>>13461202
Craft beer in America has been around since the early 80s retard.

[Anonymous No.13461450]

>>13461119
There are a pile of local ciders in my state, but we also grow a shit ton of apples

[Anonymous No.13461476]

>>13461157
>>13461403
>>13461193
>>13461163
Interesting.
>>13461123
Stop being a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.13462031]

>>13461420
yeah, and on what scale? did fucking topeka, kansas have 20 breweries?

now every community with 20+ hipsters or post-hipsters has a microbrewery. it used to be an extreme novelty, it definitely no longer is.

[Anonymous No.13462479]

>>13461119
Cider apple trees were cut down during prohibition. Cider apples are often highly tannic and acidic so they aren't useful for anything but alcohol.

[Anonymous No.13462527]

>>13461292
I wish. Sadly that is not true for the vast majority of US citizens anymore and will never be again.

[Anonymous No.13462698]

>>13461119
Same reason it died out in Canada.

>As more people settled in cities during the Industrial Revolution (1760–1850), cider production dropped. Cider must be produced near to orchards and it was expensive to transport apples to expanding urban centres for production. Also, cider does not keep well over time. Beer, however, can be brewed in the city, partly because barley is easier to transport without spoilage.
https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/canadas-craft-cider-revival

Prohibition, in Canada due to WW1 and the US due to moral reasons, put a further end to cider production due to the fact that the apples used for cider took up valuable orchid space.

[Anonymous No.13462736]

Instead of everyone measuring dicks and bickering start posting your recs, all ive ever had is alcoholic apple juice with a cup of sugar, all ciders have been far too sweet. Give me a bitter and sharp cider to go buy.

[Anonymous No.13462741]

>>13462736

Graft is cider kino

[Anonymous No.13462793]

>>13461119
Thy didn't die out, they have a small loyal fan base. They get more popular when it's hot outside.

[Anonymous No.13462825]

>>13462741
Thanks, ill throw it on the list.

[Anonymous No.13462856]

I make hard cider for a living, it’s so easy to make a literal retard could do it. We make plenty of dry stuff but unfortunately semi sweets sell the best so that’s what most of our cider consists of.

[Anonymous No.13462873]

>>13462856
I work for a cidery as a second gig, we're small so we can get away with just doing dry cider for more hardcore cider drinkers.

[Anonymous No.13463781]

Colorado and Washington have some good ciders.