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Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:15:15 2020 No.13701240 [Reply] [Original]

would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan?
what meat would you miss the most and why?
it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health, but is it better than virtually starving your body of necessary nutrients by eating nothing but bean and nut juice as a vegan?
never mind the ethical or moral bullshit, joaquin phoenix can go fuck himself, assume every cow and pig is treated with the utmost care and killed humanely as possible, does the argument for being vegan still stand as a health concern?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:18:08 2020 No.13701249 >>13701240 I could do vegetarian but not vegan, and the only reason I'd consider it is for ethical reasons so if they're not a factor then no, I wouldn't. I'm already not in great health so I don't need to add nutrition problems into the mix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:20:04 2020 No.13701254 >>13701240 no, I'm not white

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:20:08 2020 No.13701255 >>13701240 I once went vegan to try to bang a vegan chick but nah

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:24:33 2020 No.13701266

>>13701240
>virtually starving your body of necessary nutrients
Like? If you know what the fuck you're eating then you can get necessary nutrients easily in a vegan diet, and stupid fucking easy in a vegetarian diet. Omega fatty acids, B12, and essential amino acids can all be gained without the consumption of meat.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:45:26 2020 No.13701307

>>13701266
most unfortunately don't know what they're doing on a vegan diet and eat nothing but avocados and almonds with kale as the filler. i'm sure i dont need to post the numerous compilations of malnourished skinny hipster vegans that are clearly destroying themselves trying to be trendy or whatever the fuck.
I stay away from red meats personally, I'll go for chicken or fish every now and then but I mostly eat dairy products and legumes. Yoghurt, various beans, cashews, cheese, milk, and eggs are all things I have my kitchen stocked with at all times.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:48:39 2020 No.13701310 >>13701240 >it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health No it isn't. You vegan shills are obnoxious.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:50:23 2020 No.13701313

>>13701307
True. People shouldn't adopt a vegan diet if they are unwilling to educate themselves about what their bodies require and how to satisfy those nutritional requirements without animal products. Most of those dicks are vegans because of "ethical" reasons. They don't care about their physical health, they just want to try to make the screams of the cheeseburgers in their heads stop.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:54:45 2020 No.13701322
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>True. People shouldn't adopt a vegan diet if they are unwilling to educate themselves about what their bodies require and how to satisfy those nutritional requirements without animal products. Most of those dicks are vegans because of "ethical" reasons. They don't care about their physical health, they just want to try to make the screams of the cheeseburgers in their heads stop.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:57:24 2020 No.13701326

We’ve been over this. Mechanical planting and harvesting kills between twenty and thirty thousand small mammals per acre, every year. These animals are not instantly killed with a captive bolt gun, but they are crushed to death in their shallow burrows or ripped to shreds by whirling blades. Their atomized gore ends up permeating every single pulse, grain, bit of rice you eat. Unless you believe that somehow a cow’s life is worth more than a vole’s or a rat’s, which is totally stupid thinking as I’m sure you agree, you’re causing more suffering and animal death than if you exclusively ate beef, where you could easily kill only one cow per person per year.

It’s not the meat industry that kills the most animals per year. It’s big grain and soy.

No, only a sick freak of a vegan would eat grains and pulses and beans. It’s absolutely cruel! This is why, as an actually ethical vegan and not just a slave to big grain, you shouldn’t eat mechanically harvested crops of any kind. Imagine this little animals getting crushed, mangled, their guts spurting out in wormlike coils as they are crushed, entire families of them! Tiny little baby bunnies and voles, their eyes just opened for the first time, and the only thing they EVER saw was their poor mommy’s skull getting smashed and her brains coming out, right before that soy harvester kills them too.

Vegan people are sick freaks and they’re in a Satanic death cult - lying and saying they’re saving the planet when their soybean hunger is deforesting the Amazon and they deal much more death than a strict carnivore. All the while lying to themselves and everybody else.

Veganism is positively Satanic unless you do it like the Jain.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 02:58:33 2020 No.13701329 >>13701322 >scrolls through /ck/ >posts greentext paired with the same autistic image over and over and over again

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 03:11:56 2020 No.13701351 I'd go vegetarian and still eat fish, prawn and eggs. I couldn't go without fish though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 03:12:18 2020 No.13701352 File: 57 KB, 800x479, 1481785583201.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13701326 good post anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:19:32 2020 No.13701456 File: 1.27 MB, 1300x1800, Thriving Vegans 12.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13701240 >would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan? No.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:20:53 2020 No.13701459 File: 346 KB, 1024x724, Nigella vs Vegan You Decide.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13701240 >it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible Translation? >"Vegans say" red meat is bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:23:13 2020 No.13701467 >>13701240 nope, it is as stupid as going fully carnivore. I do not see people being proud of not eating plants. Reducing meat and eating more HEALTHY plants, yes. But plants only, it is just stupid hipster crap.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:23:15 2020 No.13701468
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>>13701240
> assume every cow and pig is treated with the utmost care and killed humanely as possible, does the argument for being vegan still stand as a health concern?

There is no argument for Veganism. Veganism is a anorexia cult for radical feminist whamen.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:25:28 2020 No.13701473 >>13701240 No, and I disagree with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:53:13 2020 No.13701553 meat is gross and smells weird thank you for my ted talk

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:55:36 2020 No.13701560 >>13701240 Not if I could help it. It's a mental illness. Just like buying your meat at the supermarket.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 04:59:13 2020 No.13701568 >>13701240 Already did. My dad said it actually cured my eating disorder because when I eat meat every day I still refused to eat. Basically the lifestyle change cured me and people who know me in person confirmed it

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 10:24:03 2020 No.13702298 >>13701240 I would miss fish. If all farm animals were treated more ethically, I think there'd be less vegans, yeah.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:09:20 2020 No.13702448 >>13701240 I could do vegetarian, as a dare. because its not like i will malnutrition and die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:10:22 2020 No.13702454 >>13701240 Vegan never stood as a healthy diet, thats misinformation and pop culture skewing what is fact and what is fiction.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:38:40 2020 No.13702524

>>13701240
>would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan?
Never
>it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health
By studies that are inherently untrustworthy and biased, because any study that concludes otherwise would either never be published, researchers who would conduct unbiased studies on the matter will never be funded in the first place and if either of those two designed statistical biases fail then the published study and it's makers are discredited.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:40:18 2020 No.13702530 >>13701249 Describe your diet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:46:01 2020 No.13702547 >>13701326 There would be less industrial farming if you didnt have to cultivate additional food to feed farm animals.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:49:24 2020 No.13702560 >>13702547 There would be less industrial farming if the planet wasn't overpopulated as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:53:42 2020 No.13702571 >>13702560 theres no ethical way of reducing human popolation, giving up meat isnt unethical.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:54:09 2020 No.13702572

>>13701240
When I started running seriously in the mid-90s, I decided to try vegetarian. No real reason, just thought it would be healthier or something. For the first few months, I didn't miss meat. What I did miss was the convenience. Being vegetarian is difficult unless you cook ~100pct of your own meals. Fast food is almost always out (even if you're allowing for minor cross-contamination of meats with veggies.) Dinner parties? Nope. Restaurants? Most will have something vegetarian, but it usually sucks. Have friends over for a party? Nope. They won't come unless they're also veggies -- or don't know that you are.

I never really felt any different, either. Of course, I was much younger then and was in good health anyway, so who knows if it made any real difference.

I gave up after 8 months or so when the girlfriend got a job at Outback. Smelled too damned good in there to eat veggie shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 11:54:40 2020 No.13702574 >>13701240 franny a cute

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:04:07 2020 No.13702594

>>13702571
Giving up meat is the most unethical solution. Dehumanizing everyone but the world elite into a slave caste that can't even eat their species' natural diet. Malnourished and emasculated billions living in crowded megacities, spending all their income to rent massively overpriced tiny apartments and to eat massively overpriced "meal replacements" made out of industrially processed plant matter or insect protein.

And then what when the infinite growth meme economics reach the point where even meme diets for 9 billion slaves aren't sustainable anymore?

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:05:08 2020 No.13702595
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>>13702572
this has been my experience in general.
Ive never felt particularly different though I will say that eating meat generally makes me feel more "sluggish" I guess you could say but that's not because of the meat I think it's more because those meals tend to be more full of fried bullshit.
Obviously eating a bowl of rice and beans is way better for you than a giant bucket of fried chicken and you're going to feel much better if you eat the former but taking the time to actually make health conscious meals, regardless of them being vegetarian or vegan is the way to go.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:19:09 2020 No.13702641

>>13702594
lel are you trying to tell me that giving up meat is less ethical than genociding a big part of the human population? Birth rates in almost all developped countries are going down anyways, and more and more countries are developping. 45% of crops are used to feed livestock, and its not like the other 55% are completly consumed. Overpopulation is a meme for now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:19:09 2020 No.13702642 >>13702547 This is not true as livestock can eat grass; you don't need to grow anything for them. Please try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:20:51 2020 No.13702649 >>13702642 >what is industial livestock farming and why do we do it

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:27:47 2020 No.13702673

>>13702649
We don't have to though retard.
Everyone could have their own cows, let them eat grass and weeds, and slaughter one per year.
This could work with the current population size even if it was 10x higher.
Corporations and government don't want it changed though.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:29:29 2020 No.13702678
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>>13701456

meh cherry picking. you can find just as disgusting looking people that are not vegan. what's your point?

A & D can be found in vegan diets, it just takes some extra effort to stay healthy as a vegan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:40:38 2020 No.13702716 >>13702673 Yes everyone could live on their own farm. Great idea, who needs technologie and medicine anyway right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:44:08 2020 No.13702726 >>13702716 Why can't everyone homestead and there also be technology and medicine? You aren't making sense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:49:51 2020 No.13702739 File: 214 KB, 328x406, 12313asd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I went vegetarian for two weeks and by the end couldn't stop shitting every 30 minutes. Worst thing ever. I'm not sure how other people do it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:52:21 2020 No.13702752 >>13702726 because you need to have research facilities and other centralised institutions to do research, developpment and production? How is that gonna work if everyone has to commute for multiple hours to get to this place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:54:58 2020 No.13702761 >>13702726 It's called civilization, look it up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:55:57 2020 No.13702766 >>13702761 its called a city, the thing youre trying to get rid off

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:55:58 2020 No.13702767

>>13702752
Why do you feel that stuff is needed?
Science is a scam to get government grants, all research facilities should be shut down.
But you also have yet to explain how this would affect technology and medicine.
You say hours to commute but why would be? Work is already an hour away for most people.
>>13702761
You are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 12:59:08 2020 No.13702777 >>13702767 if sience is a scam, then why are technologie and medicine based on it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:01:18 2020 No.13702781 >>13702766 You can't have one without the other, and pig ignorant hicks like >>13702767 are what we actually need to get rid of.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:02:33 2020 No.13702783 File: 35 KB, 494x358, troll_thread.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13702777 >>13702767 >>13702766 >>13702761 >>13702752 >>13702726

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:06:08 2020 No.13702792

>>13702777
>>13702781
Everyone would be a lot happier and sane if they could go build their own house on unused land and start homesteading.
That's all that's needed but they have tricked most people into thinking we need much more than that, like we have to reach the stars or some insane shit.
Pretty funny how backwards humanity is today.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:29:19 2020 No.13702887 >>13701240 When I was 19 I got grossed out at a Chinese restaurant swore off meat. Only lasted about 6 months before I gave up. Meat is fucking delicious.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:30:21 2020 No.13702892 >>13702530 >soi >semen >estrogen >>13701322 You have to go back

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:33:17 2020 No.13702907

>>13701326
Based as fuck, this is the cold, hard truth right here. My brother in law hunts and makes sure every deer or elk his kills dies very quickly and even prays over the deer thanking God for the animals sacrifice. I personally fish but I dont keep them (catch & release) as I dont care much for fish, just see it as a challenge and hope they adapt to be less easy to be caught after I return them to the water. I always force water through their gills too to help them catch their breath again before releasing them.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:36:00 2020 No.13702916

>>13702547
Around here in southern Oregon virtually all livestock graze on open pastures, zero cultivation.
Then again it's all smaller, family owned farms and not corporate bullshit. We had a large chicken farm that was discovered doing terrible shit to the chicken and the local community quite literally drove them out of business. Massive chicken farm ended up getting turned into an indoor/outdoor commercial pot farm. Ironic.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:36:37 2020 No.13702918 >>13702673 Cows need 1.5-2 acres of grass each at least. Not practical

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:37:18 2020 No.13702921 >>13702918 Maybe if you live in a suburban shithole. Take the rural agrarian pill.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:37:38 2020 No.13702922 >>13702916 In what way is that ironic?

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:44:45 2020 No.13702953
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>>13702918
This nigga gets it.
>>13702673
your dumbass thinks that the answer to the industrial beef problem is for everyone to become a fuckin cowboy on a micro-ranch. Beyond the issue of the amount of grass required to feed a single cow there is the issue of land productivity. Some land is more productive than others for grasses. Good land costs more than shitty land. Location as well, are we all going to depopulate cities and suburbs for a fucking micro-ranch so some dumb nogs can eat a homemade burger? Travel time, expenses, green house gas emissions associated, etc. etc. but no, the big bad gubmint and them eval corprations don't want that!!! It's their fault, and has nothing to do with anything real or substantive!

The entire concept is 100% pure unadulterated autism. You need to shut your dumb ass up and maybe even consider getting neutered so you don't plague humanity with yet another generation of your low quality DNA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:47:38 2020 No.13702965 >>13702953 So whats your solution? Eat plants and die?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:50:34 2020 No.13702977 >>13702965 >eat plants and die sounds a lot more feasible than convincing every American to move to buttfuck nowhere to raise cattle so they can eat cheeseburgers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:54:53 2020 No.13702990 >>13702922 Potheads are as retarded as chicken abusers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:54:53 2020 No.13702991 >>13702977 Not really. My suggestion has been been done before countless times in history so it's certainly more feasible.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:54:55 2020 No.13702993 >>13702916 >Then again it's all smaller, family owned farms and not corporate bullshit Yeah, if that was all we had beef would be like $30 a pound. 97% of all cows in America are grain-fed in feedlots.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:56:10 2020 No.13702999

>>13702921
Well cities have to exist so there will always be the majority of people living in small accommodations. Raising cattle isn't practical. Also in a lot of places in the southwest there are water restrictions and very little grass anywhere. Doesn't make any sense

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:56:39 2020 No.13703000

>>13702993
Sad but true. Fortunately we not only have local livestock farms but also lots of local butchers that have fantastic selections and prices. I'm telling you guys, the semi-rural life is the way to go. The entire county has about 220k people and largest city is only 70k, most of the county is farmland or mountainous forest. Can't be beat.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 13:57:58 2020 No.13703005

>>13702999
I know the water restriction part, live in Butte County california for awhile, actually in Paradise, the city that burned to the ground. They have a massive group called the Butte County Cattle Men and Womens Association that fights for water rights.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:02:29 2020 No.13703016

>>13702991
Really? Has it been done in a post-industrial developed nation boasting a population of over 350 million people, with the majority of them living in cities? If it hasn't then the supposed historical veracity of your claim evaporates into thin air. What you propose has no basis in today's reality. So again, shut your dumb ass up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:03:41 2020 No.13703021 >>13702991 Name five times that it was done

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:07:38 2020 No.13703040 >>13703016 >>13703021 Keep on watering your plants which waste more water than livestock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:09:41 2020 No.13703050 >>13703040 >has no evidence to support his claims >k-k-keep w-watering your p-p-p-plants!!! kek, get the fuck outta here you dumb bitch.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:10:54 2020 No.13703056 >>13703050 I could live off 1 cow a year and so could everyone else, it's easy, not rocket science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:11:49 2020 No.13703059 >>13703056 Are you still talking?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:13:16 2020 No.13703066 >>13703056 Entirely new anon here. What you suggest is the solution that a 5 year old would come up with. Go ahead and name one of the "countless times in history", where anything close to what you are proposing was achieved. Ever.

>>	bump Mon Feb 24 14:13:35 2020 No.13703068 >>13703059 Just feed cows grass and stop growing plants and stripping the soil of nutrients.

>>	bump Mon Feb 24 14:14:47 2020 No.13703075 >>13703066 Happened tons of times. People lived off meat pretty much solely as agriculture was only introduced in civilizations for the slaves to feed on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:19:40 2020 No.13703093 >>13703075 Name five times where a nation dissolved it's cities so everyone could go be a self sustaining farmer. Please just stop with your ad hominem and excessive coping. Answer what I'm asking

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:21:50 2020 No.13703103
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I'm vegetarian. Sometimes, when my mom or mother in law cooks meat and they insist that I try it, i do. It's tasty for sure, but I don't like chewing on dead carcass. It feels wrong.

I don't really miss it. And at the end of the day, it's just one food item out of thousands. I'm good.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:22:18 2020 No.13703108 >>13703093 Why don't you state your solution?

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:24:04 2020 No.13703113

>>13703108
>answering a question with a question

I am trying to understand your viewpoint that you've been frothing at the mouth over this whole time. If it has happened "countless times" throughout history then why can't you even cite a few examples?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:25:50 2020 No.13703121 >>13703113 >then why can't you even cite a few examples? No. Now state your solution or do you not even have one?

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:29:26 2020 No.13703137

>>13703075
That's not what you are proposing.
You are saying people should distribute themselves across the land, leave industrial life behind and EVERY SINGLE ONE make their own little farm.
Nothing close to this has ever happened. This might be feasible for maybe 10.000 pre-industrial humans, who have no higher standards than to farm and shit, in which case there would be no problem to begin with.
Not for a bustling 350 million super power full of computer engineers and architects and international businessmen.

Again, your "solution" is what a child would propose.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:31:04 2020 No.13703148 >>13703121 So you admit that your solution wouldn't work and your claim that it has precedent is false? >Now state your solution or do you not even have one? Not an argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:31:08 2020 No.13703150 >>13703137 All 7+ billion people could live in Texas.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:31:48 2020 No.13703153 >>13703121 Okay so you're trolling

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:32:21 2020 No.13703155 >>13703148 >So you admit that your solution wouldn't work and your claim that it has precedent is false? Sure buddy. Now can you state your solution so I can burst out laughing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:43:33 2020 No.13703207 well done!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:44:19 2020 No.13703214 >>13703155 Industrial farming

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:45:30 2020 No.13703224 >>13703214 Elaborate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:53:51 2020 No.13703266 >>13703040 If only we had some ancient technology to move water with almost no effort! Oh well. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqueduct_(water_supply)

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:55:52 2020 No.13703283 >>13703224 No

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:57:47 2020 No.13703293 >>13701313 People shouldn't be vegan , period. We are meant to be omnivores.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 14:59:05 2020 No.13703301 >>13703266 There's only so much fresh water.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:02:45 2020 No.13703322 >>13701249 you'd probably be in better health if you ate more veggies, just super saiyan

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:03:15 2020 No.13703325 File: 171 KB, 700x647, apu hugging chicken.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13701240 >>13701240 no I like eggs

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:06:36 2020 No.13703349 >>13703301 it literally falls from the sky.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:09:32 2020 No.13703371 >>13703301 We should just abolish water services and every family should dig their own well. This has been done countless times throughout history. I will not give examples

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:12:01 2020 No.13703384 >>13703371 >We should just abolish water services and every family should dig their own well. This has been done countless times throughout history. I will not give examples This but unironically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:13:24 2020 No.13703391 >>13703150 They fit, they most certainly could not live. >>13703283 Lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:14:53 2020 No.13703398 >WHY DON'T POOR PEOPLE JUST BUY MORE MONEY?? >IF WORLD HUNGER IS SUCH A PROBLEM, WHY NOT JUST EAT MORE?? The thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:52:29 2020 No.13703634 >>13701240 that girl was MADE for BBC

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:56:38 2020 No.13703657 >>13701240 I did vegan for four years because I was a bleeding heart retard faggot, it fucks up your body and your head don’t do it or vegetarianism it’s shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:57:40 2020 No.13703662 >>13701240 >accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health Also this is a fucking lie

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:58:18 2020 No.13703665 >>13703657 >dude trust me

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:59:08 2020 No.13703671 >>13701326 Saved

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 15:59:26 2020 No.13703674 >>13701255 >not turning your vegan gf into a qt wife carnivore you're losing anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:00:25 2020 No.13703678 >>13703674 >forcing someone to change their entire diet and go back to raising their cholesterol when they probably went vegan to lower it, not raise it again Cringe

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:19:54 2020 No.13703746

>>13703665
It was just under four years, my body composition was constantly getting worse no matter the macros, and I couldn’t think, extreme brain fog and terrible concentration. I thought about the ethics some more, realized they’re retarded, and stopped. My face also looks really strange in pics from year 2 on, but much better now
All vegans will either quit or die, so they’ll learn eventually

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:22:52 2020 No.13703762 >>13701326 And in your case that soy is just going to be fed to other animals which are going to be killed too. And you need much much more soy as animal fodder than as if you would consume it directly. Your arguments are invalid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:24:46 2020 No.13703777 >>13703762 >destroys a wall of text with three sentences >"nothing personnel"

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:26:48 2020 No.13703789 >>13703762 You’re a dumb cunt with no reading comprehension

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:26:57 2020 No.13703790 >>13703678 >when they probably went vegan to lower it I think most people go vegan because they feel bad for the animals, not for health reasons. People usually come up with health reasons after.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:29:14 2020 No.13703803

there isnt any nutrient or lipid that you cant get through a well balanced vegetarian diet, even without supplements

of course a well balanced diet is a pipe dream for most people

i eat mostly vegetarian for environmental reasons. i eat wild game a couple times a year, local fish and eggs from backyard chickens

cant do veganism because i do eat a lot of dairy, its just a part of my diet i dont want to give up. also i dont understand the problem with wool farms or beekeeping

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:35:37 2020 No.13703847 >>13701240 Good god i love redheads so much

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:38:23 2020 No.13703859

>>13703803
Most nutrients in plants aren’t bioavailable, what you see on paper you absorb virtually none of. Plants also have various “antinutrients” which act as their defense systems and harm the body. Plants provide empty calories at best
Vegetarians do much better because they eat eggs, dairy, and sometimes fish, but there is no benefit to cutting out meat from a nutrition perspective, and if you buy grass fed and local then from an environmental perspective as well.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:41:08 2020 No.13703872

>>13701326
Except you're literally a retard because a huge chunk of land is used to feed livestock, like soy and corn. Most of the soy grown doesn't go to making tofu or milk it goes to feeding livestock a cheap source of protien. Please stop being such a colossal fuckwit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 16:45:26 2020 No.13703906 >>13701240 I could temporarily go vegetarian for dietary reasons but I could never attempt veganism because I like dairy products too much. Also, I have no moral qualms about eating animals. Fuck them. They'd chow down on me if the tables were turned.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:02:42 2020 No.13704002

>>13703762
Why don't vegan restaurants serve corn stalks and the cellulose left behind after making vegetable oil and biofuels?

Practice what you preach.

https://www.cgiar.org/news-events/news/fao-sets-the-record-straight-86-of-livestock-feed-is-inedible-by-humans/

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:05:56 2020 No.13704016 >>13703872 >Please stop being such a colossal fuckwit. Pot, kettle. https://www.cgiar.org/news-events/news/fao-sets-the-record-straight-86-of-livestock-feed-is-inedible-by-humans/

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:14:55 2020 No.13704055

If I went Vegetarian, Id miss seafood the most. I really love stuff like crab or crawfish etouffee.

If I went Vegan. Id miss dairy. Soy cheese tastes like when you lick a wound and Ive been turned off from it ever since. Both soy milk and almond milk are terrible. Just give me the plain old whole milk.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:27:49 2020 No.13704130

>>13704016
as a person who works in agriculture, 86% of a typical animals diet being composed of recycled additives or forage from grazing seems incorrect, to say the least. i suppose they dont really go into detail on which animal, but i assume beef. cant read the full report though so ill have to let it go

regardless, the percentage here doesnt really mean much. by this estimate, at least 14% of food being eaten by livestock CAN be converted into food for human consumption. in terms of productive acreage, i promise you that number is a HUGE amount. this is putting aside the fact that land for mass grazing often has it's own ecological impact factors, like destroying habitat, deforestation, soil degradation

lastly, they compare input of grain to cattle to output of protein, but in this write up at least, they conspicuously avoid a direct comparison with any alternative source of protein or nutrients. even if the nutritional argument is true, i havent seen any convincing argument why the status quo is by any means the best way of fulfilling that
>>13704055
oat milk is pretty good. just tastes a little bit like oats, good for tea/coffee, cereal or smoothies

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:42:00 2020 No.13704202 >>13704130 >I work in agriculture and you don't even know that the soy fed to livestock is press cake that comes as a byproduct from oil production? what a shilling bitch you are.

Anonymous Mon Feb 24 17:47:52 2020 No.13704226

>>13704202
a percentage of it is, sure. calling it a byproduct of oil production is a little misleading, both uses are obviously in mind the whole time

anything about the other 80% of my post, or just that one mostly irrelevant thing where i wasnt specific enough for you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 18:14:46 2020 No.13704347 >>13704226 There's nothing misleading about it. Soybean meal is worth horseshit compared to the products made from oil. You're a shilling vegan that's defending his ideology at all cost. It shows by all the excuses you're trying to make.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 18:21:36 2020 No.13704382 >>13704347 alright, so nothing else then youve obviously got some kind of weird persecution complex shan't be responding any more, have a good one

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 18:25:14 2020 No.13704404 File: 515 KB, 932x1330, Hitler vs Vegans Meme.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13704382 Would be best if all vegans left this board permanently. Adios!

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 24 18:34:38 2020 No.13704453 >>13704404 I hate vegans but this image is ass.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 00:31:34 2020 No.13706049 Been been vegan. Don’t miss meat, mock meats have stepped their game up the past couple years. The “starving yourself of nutrients” bit is bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 03:36:03 2020 No.13706401 >>13703872 But meat eaters don’t care if they kill animals and vegans do.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 03:37:14 2020 No.13706407 >>13701240 I'll probably do cannibalism before I go vegan

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 03:38:44 2020 No.13706412 no didn't read the rest of the questions

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 03:57:34 2020 No.13706444 File: 107 KB, 800x450, 1580363099312.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13703803 >I am a Meat-eating omnivore. Cool me too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:02:24 2020 No.13706458 >>13701240 no vegans are gay

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:02:29 2020 No.13706459 File: 502 KB, 1280x720, Is Veganism a Cult.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706049 Make sure you never quit the superior vegan diet.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:04:35 2020 No.13706461
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>>13706401
Vegans massacre countless animals, AND insects, and vegans also directly fund and commission deforestation and pesticides use for their food.

Fucks given by vegans worldwide????? ZERO.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:15:54 2020 No.13706482
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>Become friends with Indians
>Tutor them and their children so they can all get their high school diplomas
>Free game meats and homegrown vegetables for life
>Get to hunt on their land without any restrictions
>Get to smoke dank Indian tobacco out of a 150 year old eagle pipe after

Veganism is for consumerist fags.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:27:04 2020 No.13706498 >>13701240 Hoe is dit nog geen kankerdraad geworden

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:31:26 2020 No.13706504

>>13706461
>mass murdering animals en masse is the same thing as roadkill you delusional idiot!!!!!
>NO U you kill them not me even though you know I eat meat every day and you eat plants
Is this the new logic of shitting on people? It's like this one

>YOU'RE CHEATING ON YOUR WIFE I KNOW MORE ABOUT YOUR MARRIAGE THAN YOU DO I KNOW YOU WANT TO BE SINGLE

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:32:07 2020 No.13706507 >>13706461 Every problem with growing food crops still exists for growing feed crops. Meat eaters are dependent on the soy and corn fields that build their beef and chicken.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:36:01 2020 No.13706516 >>13706507 >literally repeating lies after they have been debunked 10 posts ago.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:40:42 2020 No.13706524
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>>13701326
>imagine thinking that cows dont eat soy and grains
> imagine thinking feeding a cow for 6-7 years and then eating it is more efficient than eating vegetables directly

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:45:58 2020 No.13706536
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>>13706504
One cow per year dies for me.
(Four or five cows get a life because of my money)

Your money pays for pesticides, and bulldozers, to clear more forestland for increased soya demand and avocado plantations.

Zero pesticides used in my name. Can you say the same?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:47:44 2020 No.13706540 File: 96 KB, 205x234, 1569193574055.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13703150

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:49:58 2020 No.13706545
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>>13706524
There is such a thing as 100% grass fed beef, not that you care as a vegan.

Vegans prefer to slaughter every deer, rabbit,mouse and insect first, so the animals don't get to their broccoli before the starving vegan does.

Veganism is a anorexia cult nothing more, I don't even know why vegans even pretend to care about animals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 04:54:45 2020 No.13706553 veganism is for retarded city kids people who really care about the environment would eat only extremely local food

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:01:41 2020 No.13706637
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>>13706545
>There is such a thing as 100% grass fed beef, not that you care as a vegan.
Im not vegan or even vegetarian, and i dont think you even understand how much space a grass fed cow uses, how much more grass fed beef cost (thus why 95% of people wont buy it), why you cant raise grass fed beef anywhere in the world or how much more inefficient is to use land for grass fed beef intead of say grains.
>Vegans prefer to slaughter every deer, rabbit,mouse and insect first, so the animals don't get to their broccoli before the starving vegan does.
You're comparing accidental deaths to intentional deaths but ok.
>Veganism is a anorexia cult nothing more, I don't even know why vegans even pretend to care about animals.
You' dont understand calories in/out and i hope you're a troll because if you arent, then you're retard, dont want to admit the truth to yourself or cant understand simple logic and causation/correlation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:12:07 2020 No.13706662 File: 175 KB, 1080x1080, EQ7oK8sWsAIlY0k.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706637 >accidental deaths the cognitive dissonance lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:12:21 2020 No.13706663 >>13706536 jesus christ how can someone be this fucking stupid and still manage to operate a computer

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:22:17 2020 No.13706688

>>13701240
I only eat meat 2-3 times a year. Same for eggs. I do however eat cheese somewhat regularly because I love pizza. I've been living like this for about 8 years while working out regularly and I literally have not noticed any difference.

If I went fully vegan I would miss the traditional meals around midwinter, midsummer and Easter. I would also miss pizza.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:33:29 2020 No.13706709 >>13701240 No, I would never go fully vegan, I still have my brain cells left. >Red meat is terrible for your health. Wrong, it's a meme pushed by mass media, actual research shows it has little impact on health.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:33:44 2020 No.13706710 >>13701240 wait how is red meat bad for your health? and na id never go vegan balance is the way brether >>13706545 you sound beyond retarded must be american

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:36:09 2020 No.13706715 >>13706637 grass fed beef doesent cost that much in denmark i think its just you americans acting up again

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:37:20 2020 No.13706717 File: 55 KB, 600x817, 1556886689815.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >OP image is still up Are the mods fucking asleep or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:42:43 2020 No.13706726 >>13706715 grass-fed beef is literally the norm anywhere outside of the US

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:45:55 2020 No.13706733 >>13706726 This. I can get grass-fed steak here for 20$/kilo and cheaper, and it'll be marbled as well. Ameritards brought shitty soy cows upon themselves.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 06:50:06 2020 No.13706745

I've been vegetarian for the past few years

I dont miss meat, I enjoy the smell of meat

Occasionally I can taste some sea-food or something like a meat pizza but your taste buds just change and you just dont enjoy it as much

For me personally it was really good for my health and allowed me to start running for fun and enjoyed all sorts of stuff

Pizza without meat if you make it at home or go for margherita or really good vegetarian one is pretty fucking amazing, I used to think the meat was what gave it taste

the most delicious vegetarian food I ever tried was on the greek island of crete, they had eggplant roasted in an oven with 2 amazing types of cheese inside it and an amazing tomato sauce

if you were like me and chowing down on salami and hot dogs give no meat a try
you cant half ass it though, its all or nothing

same for sugar, you cant just say ill have an ice cream occasionally if youre a fatass insidel ikem e

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 07:34:19 2020 No.13706865
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>>13706637

>i dont think you even understand how much space a grass fed cow uses...

I do and it feels great, knowing the cows get a good life under the sun, on thousand acre and bigger farms.

Vegans money? Pays for pesticides and bulldozers. (Not that vegans care obviously)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 07:37:49 2020 No.13706877 File: 598 KB, 1280x800, 1580733979675.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706663 An earthworm is smarter than any vegan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 07:42:10 2020 No.13706886 File: 162 KB, 994x745, 1581863714454.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706877 >"Red meat is a class one carinogen" >Dies at 51 >Brilliant vegan doctor

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 07:50:17 2020 No.13706897 File: 169 KB, 499x391, Hom J Dinsah RIP American Founding Vegan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706886

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 07:51:38 2020 No.13706898 >>13701240 Vegetarians can be healthy, vegans never can be.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:05:55 2020 No.13706932 lab grown meat is the answer. nobody suffers, deforestation stops and we get some proper fuckin' meat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:06:54 2020 No.13706937 >>13706932 It would taste horrible.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:07:42 2020 No.13706940 >>13706937 no it wouldn't. besides you can always use spices and condiments to cover it if it does.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:07:51 2020 No.13706941 >>13701240 No, i wouldn't do it. I have no moral qualms with eating animals and it's not healthier than my paleo diet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:13:40 2020 No.13706956 i was veg for years but dropped it when i took a manual labor job and my hands swelled up and hurt like hell from a lack of fat in my diet

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:18:06 2020 No.13706968 >>13703762 >>13702547 >>13703872 >whataboutism So is it ethical or is it unethical to kill animals for food? Or is it only ethical to kill animals if you dont eat them, as is the case for vegoids?

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:18:37 2020 No.13706970

>>13701240
>would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan?
No, at most i'd go Piscetarian
>what meat would you miss the most and why?
Pork, because pork
>it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health, but is it better than virtually starving your body of necessary nutrients by eating nothing but bean and nut juice as a vegan?
It isn't, and no
>does the argument for being vegan still stand as a health concern?
No. If you're concerned about morality/health, Piscetarianism is a thing. What the fuck is Piscetarianism? Means the only meat you eat is seafood.

Fish are the tiniest brained motherfuckers imaginable (unlike my delicious pork which is really intelligent), many kinds of them are sustainable to farm. There is no ethical or environmental concern.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:21:43 2020 No.13706980
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>>13706968
Vegans use the term "necessary" to excuse and laugh at all the animals they kill. When vegans gas and massacre animals those are "necessary" deaths, totally fine.

When we kill animals for our food, that is not "necessary" therefore all the weeping and sobbing.

This is literally the vegans argument, not mine.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 08:34:55 2020 No.13707009 >>13706968 are you dumb? >>13701326 brought up the whole "crop farming kills more animals than animal farming" argument, none of the replies said anything about the morality of killing an animal

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Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:01:01 2020 No.13707079

>>13703103
>I don't like chewing on dead carcass. It feels wrong
what the fuck is this anyways. why do you guys have to use words like that. so it's okay to use animal products but it's wrong to eat the animal products once it is slaughtered for no longer being productive? how do you feel about eggs? they grind up half the chicks shortly after birth because they won't produce and are waste product

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:35:42 2020 No.13707163 File: 2 KB, 125x125, bars.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13706970 >many kinds of them are sustainable to farm. There is no ethical or environmental concern.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:36:50 2020 No.13707170
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>>13707079
That's just a vegan idiot trolling. Their vegan leaders like Joey carbstrong, now use language infused with "tortured animal carcasses" literally in every sentence. Vegans are now just brainwashed walking dead zombies march-stepping to the grave.

(Vegan on the right just died at age 25, cause of death "unreleased")

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:38:27 2020 No.13707174 File: 660 KB, 1280x800, 1582285550812.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13707170 Hey vegans is dying at 25 part of your master plan?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:41:56 2020 No.13707183 >>13707170 that guy looks like a junkie more than anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:44:20 2020 No.13707193 File: 228 KB, 1200x1600, 1582237219407.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13707183 Vegan/antifa/junkee/dead all stops on the same crazy train.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:46:22 2020 No.13707205 >>13703674 he said try which means it didn't work because he is a faggot and the chick could obviously tell

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 09:57:48 2020 No.13707232
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>>13701240
>>13701456
vegans that takes vitamins or other health supplements are hypocrites because almost all of those pills actually were made and had to be made from animal of some sort.
I used to have this asshole at school smuging everyone that "how vegan is making him healthy and eating animal is wrong and that all you need are some health supplements that's all" I asked him what kind and one of the list of pills that he takes is omega3, so I broke the news to him that 99.99% of all omega 3 pills came from either fish or some kind of sea animal, and he actually still say "it's different because he's not actually eating the animal's meat"

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:11:49 2020 No.13707268

>>13701240
>>13701310
What is the reasoning for why red meat is supposedly so bad for your health over other meat and fish? Like if you're talking about someone with a nutritious balanced and varied diet who eats reasonable portions of meat, sometimes or often red, rather than someone who just frequently eats disproportionate amounts of red meat while rejecting vegetables and has little variation in their diet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:19:11 2020 No.13707290 >>13701568 So did you eat or not? How could you both eat the meat and refuse to eat?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:19:35 2020 No.13707291 >>13701240 Who's this cutie?

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:25:31 2020 No.13707307

>>13707268
>What is the reasoning for why red meat is supposedly so bad for your health over other meat and fish
A study whose "red meat" test group was anyone off the street with 0 control for what that red meat was. Was it a 12 oz grass fed ribeye? Was it 3 McDoubles? Who cares its all red meat

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:27:01 2020 No.13707309 >>13701240 no i love meat, cheese, eggs, milk more than any other food

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:35:18 2020 No.13707330 >>13707290 It was when I was a omnivore, I ate meat every day and had periods where I refused to eat. When I went vegan and stayed vegan I never stopped eating like I did when I ate meat

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:37:26 2020 No.13707339 >>13707232 There's omega 3s in plants, I remember eating vegan fish with algae oil. Harvesting anything from the ocean hues animals because it hurts their home, but that's not related to being vegan, the planet is just theirs

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:38:41 2020 No.13707342 >>13707339 *hurts Typing on phone sorry

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:39:01 2020 No.13707343 >>13701240 >it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health no it isn't enjoy your heart disease lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:40:55 2020 No.13707351 >>13707330 sounds like you're a broken person in general and the veganism has nothing to do with it

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 10:41:04 2020 No.13707352 >>13701240 I'd miss chicken the most. As for for being vegan/vegetarian i don't know the difference but i would still eat milk,eggs,cheese and fish.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 11:16:47 2020 No.13707508 >>13707268 Red meat is the healthiest and most nutritious food. It is therefore the #1 priority to remove from the diet of the slave class. Can't have your peasants being strong, healthy, and intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 11:25:37 2020 No.13707541 Disgusted by my generation. Men who care about the well being of animals. I guess testosterone is on the decline for our species. Only a femboy due to growing up with a single mother would care about animals.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 11:36:28 2020 No.13707580 >>13707351 Idk but the plant based eating did help me, as I said in my initial post people said I looked better when I did it

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 11:48:52 2020 No.13707611 >>13707330 So what, you ate every day but not every time meat was in front of you?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 11:51:41 2020 No.13707626 >>13707580 yeah, actually eating and not being a picky eater helps with that

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 13:02:00 2020 No.13707862 >>13707611 No, i did eat meat every time it was on the menu, but I refused to just eat in general. Eating plants helped me and now I eat more consistently

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 13:19:40 2020 No.13707928

>>13707862
You have said that you ate every day and ate meat every time "it was on the menu", so when did you not eat? And why couldn't you just eat non-meat food? Or less meat and more plant-based foods? Surely meat wasn't only thing served at each meal.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 13:30:21 2020 No.13707960
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>>13701240
Call me ignorant, but it seems strange for someone to go on a diet as intense and restrictive as vegan for health reasons and not only frequent Taco Bell but give it a 5 star glowing essay of a review to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 14:06:37 2020 No.13708101 >>13701310 Red meat has been classified as a group 2A carcinogen by the World health organization.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 14:26:42 2020 No.13708193

>>13707508
>Can't have your peasants being strong, healthy, and intelligent
Why would anyone want this you absolute moron. Shouldn't "your" working class be strong and healthy so they can work hard?
Also, the lower class is who eats the most red meat, cause they are usually too lazy and stupid to follow nutritional science.
You see them eating burgers and meat everyday, while the upper class eats quinoa and avocado and dumb shit like that.
What a retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 14:27:48 2020 No.13708195 >>13707541 Overcompensating a little too much. Clear that you have mommy issues. Being a psychopath is not manly, so don't try to roleplay as one, it's just cringy.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 14:47:54 2020 No.13708268

>>13707352

Vegans do not eat any animal products.

Vegetarians do not eat meat or fish but can still eat eggs & dairy.

I've been vegetarian for years, do not miss meat even a little bit, am in better shape than when I ate meat, and get asked "but durr you still eat fish right" at least once a month.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:00:34 2020 No.13708308 >>13708101 Why? Even raw red meat? What all counts as red meat? Is it anything darker than pork?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:25:23 2020 No.13708371 >>13703678 >M-m-m-muh cholesterol Just go for a run you fat fuck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:28:02 2020 No.13708380 >>13702547 >Implying You retards know nothing about the farming Lobby. They'll grow and sell for whatever motherfucking reason, usually the government will buy it from them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:34:24 2020 No.13708403 >>13706886 Anon red meat has never been classified as a Class One Carcinogen. You've offed yourself as more retarded than the guy you're replaying too, who at least isn't factually incorrect.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:36:36 2020 No.13708412 >>13707163 I think he's referring too actual fish farms, which are environmentally friendlier than your run of the mill feedlot in all fairness.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:38:31 2020 No.13708420 I've been a vegetarian for 4.5 years now.. its good, no complaints. I do eat fish, cheese and eggs but no mammal or bird meat.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:51:41 2020 No.13708457 >>13708420 >vegetarian >eats meat retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:53:09 2020 No.13708462 >>13708195 Okay zoomer

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:54:13 2020 No.13708466
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>this thread

Just because you think it works for you doesn't mean its an optimal diet. In fact there is NO fucking credible science on what -is- optimal for humans. We can only judge what seems most beneficial but most of this is snake oil salesmen just offloading their products onto you.
Most dietary science itself surrounds itself with industrial wood waste repackaged with cutting edge graphics to make it seem like hot shit. But fwiw you're eating basically elmers glue and corn starch. You get what you deserve.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 15:58:24 2020 No.13708482 >>13707541 t. cat vacuumer

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:04:03 2020 No.13708508
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Because my grandparents all live into their 90s eating sausage and red meat their entire lives. They are sausage at least 3 days a week. Only those with weak genetics would consider a vegetarian/vegan diet.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:14:08 2020 No.13708552
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>>13708308
It's propaganda to make the peasants eat more bugs. If you actually look at the studies in their report, it's pure pseudoscience. A third of the people voting against meat were vegetarians.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:37:40 2020 No.13708655 >>13708308 Lmao it's so silly. They declare red meat a "Class 2A Carcinogen" while ignoring that charring food is also a 2A Carcinogen. Gee I wonder what during red meat production could be causing these.....

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:50:25 2020 No.13708710
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>>13708403
>The world health organization never said anything about meat being cancer.

Whatever. Lie about meat, lie about what (((they))) said about meat, the important thing is that the fucker ~WHO~ said it is stone dead at 51.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veLyq41bce4

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:56:05 2020 No.13708732

>>13708308
>why
Here's on overview of why researchers think red meat (which is highest in heme iron) promotes cancer :
https://www6.toulouse.inrae.fr/toxalim_eng/Research-Teams/PPCA-Prevention-Promotion-of-Carcinogenesis-by-Food/Research

That said, even if the above is true it's perfectly possible that in a diet with enough anti-oxidants in the same meal the pro-oxidant effect of heme iron would be nullified.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 16:56:28 2020 No.13708733 >>13708710 Anon it's never been a CLASS ONE carcinogen. It's class 2A. Are you this fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:00:16 2020 No.13708747 I live by the shore and have been mainly pescetarian for the last 4 years since there is a fresh seafood place down the street from me and my family has a long history of heart disease and I'd like to avoid having a heart attack in my 50's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:02:53 2020 No.13708754 >>13708733 He is. Give up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:04:43 2020 No.13708759 >>13708747 Easily mitigated by good exercise anon, but nice on you for having an excellent source of good seafood (Just say that instead of putting faggy labels on yourself)

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:17:45 2020 No.13708788 >>13701240 Nope I did cut down on red meat consumption. I used to eat red meat every day. Now I eat it once or twice a week. But I still eat chicken, turkey or fish every day

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:40:00 2020 No.13708851 >>13701240 Most vegans eat like shit, dated one for 2 and a half years and jesus christ all she fucking ate were fries and pasta. She's so fucking fat now lmao glad I left that bitch

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:51:29 2020 No.13708897 File: 402 KB, 1280x800, 1581595814453.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13708788 Cut back all the way if you want to experience the true thriving vegan lifestyle.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:52:41 2020 No.13708907
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>>13701326
>Veganism is positively Satanic unless you do it like the Jain.

Jains drink milk. They also don't eat tubers.

Also lets not just stop at the damage the harvester combine does. You have to remember before the grain is planted, you have to till the soil, which rips up insects and animals burrowed underneath, and it destroys the integrity of the soil, making it prone to drought and flood, fortunately, no till agriculture is slowly becoming more popular among cash croppers.

But even if you do no till, you need a planter, and you need fertilizer. Organic fertilizer sources it's cow shit from manure ponds from intensive feedlots. But non organic fertilizer is worse. That shit combined with the shitty hydrophobic soil is enemy number 1 for causing massive fish die offs and growing ocean dead zones like in pic related.

And we haven't even gotten to pesticides yet.

Anyways, eat grass fed pasture raised animals on regenerative local farms. Source your fucking food I don't care what kingdom you eat from you stupid faggots.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 17:55:20 2020 No.13708919 >>13702560 There would be less industrial farming if more than 1 percent of the population in industrialized countries farmed.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:04:14 2020 No.13708953
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>>13702977
I'm moving to a rural 400 acre farm in a few months. Gonna raise my own cheeseburger and i can send you the bull dick so you can fellate it in your urban micro apartment

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:04:59 2020 No.13708957 >>13708897 I unironically feel a lot better physically and mentally after cleaning up a majority of my diet

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:06:41 2020 No.13708961

>>13708897
I took a fitness class years ago with an instructor who claimed you could eat almost exclusively fruit (culinary fruit) and pack on muscle no problem. I don't think he practiced that though. It just seemed like he ate more fruit than the average person on top of a typical fitness diet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:21:23 2020 No.13709019 >>13708957 Me too, its not related to veganism and I'm not sure why people assume it is. Even one fruit makes me feel better and more stable

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:22:50 2020 No.13709027

>>13708710
If you actually read the literature cited in the WHO's claim that red/processed meat gives you cancer you will find that the opposite is true.

They did almost 800 studies and only published like 26 of them, and a lot of those studies consisted on injecting rats with known carcinogens, feeding them huge amounts of red meat, and then seeing if their colons looked weird. They actually found in some of these experiments that red meat protected against cancer.

Their published conclusions are incredibly sketchy and unscientific. You have to ask yourself who paid for all this research.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:25:46 2020 No.13709043 >>13708851 Anon.. no offense.. but lots of people eat fries and pasta and they're not vegan. Go off if you like

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:48:13 2020 No.13709141 >>13709027 >ahh, the inevitable carnist lies Can you guys deal with reality for like a couple seconds instead of sweeping to the "science is fake" and "everything I don't like is a conspiracy to steal my masculinity?" Thx.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:54:08 2020 No.13709172
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>>13709141
We would but unfortunately you guys keep infiltrating authorative positions with your pseudoscience.
Like, there's literally a vegan church that admits it does studies to affirm the vegan diet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 18:54:38 2020 No.13709174 >>13709141 its best not to be a picky eater and eat plants too, even if you hate veganism, we're omnivores and designed to eat plants too

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:38:34 2020 No.13709371
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>>13709141
No, no. I'm a strong believer in science and evidence. That's why I actually looked into the research papers that concluded that red meat is a (probable) carcinogen and found that it consisted mostly of horrible rat studies and human studies that actually concluded the opposite of what was published.

Maybe you should look into the recent research done by the Annals of Internal Medicine. They didn't find any link to red meat and colorectal cancer.

Also I don't give a fuck about my masculinity considering I'm not even a man.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 19:46:45 2020 No.13709416 >>13709371 >I claim things that aren't real but can't post the sources to confirm it because they aren't true. You would fit in quite well in the current admin, lol!

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 20:03:23 2020 No.13709488

>>13709371
>if the very small exposure effect is true, given peoples' attachment to their meat-based diet (17), the associated risk reduction is not likely to provide sufficient motivation to reduce consumption of red meat or processed meat in fully informed individuals

The Annals recommendation might disagree with the strength of the effect and the evidence, but they still say heme iron is bad for you. Just not bad enough.

The only time meat consumption improves much epidemiologically is if you include third worlders where meat consumption directly correlates with dietary sufficiency period. It's better than just starchy staples, what a surprise.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:02:48 2020 No.13709796

>>13709488
>The only time meat consumption improves much epidemiologically is if you include third worlders where meat consumption directly correlates with dietary sufficiency period. It's better than just starchy staples, what a surprise.

What a surprise meat is more sufficient than plants.

Seriously, what will it take for you to realize that maybe, just maybe, meat isn't poison?

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:19:25 2020 No.13709856

>
it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health,

There is NOTHING bad about red meat. The ""carcinogenic"" status of it is ridiculous, there are huge amounts of sodium nitrate and other cancerous properties of plant foods and inflammation to your digestion system that plants cause, which can lead to cancer. Even things like gluten are bad for everyone even if you're not intolerant. If your goal is to reduce your cancer risk to the lowest possibility for whatever reason then you'd best be eating some kind of carnivore diet with boiled meats or some shit. If you're consuming sugar (in any form), wheat, plant foods, grilled foods, alcohol, your cancer risk is already being elevated hugely by all of these things.

Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:23:31 2020 No.13709870

There is NO such thing as a perfectly healthy diet, all foods present challenges to your body, but the fact is that a diet based on say, 90% carbs and plant trash that most vegan diets are based on, is so, so, SO much worse, than anything meat could ever do to you.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:44:11 2020 No.13709920 >>13709796 >What a surprise meat is more sufficient than plants. It's more sufficient than a cheap or lazily chosen subset of plants. Meat is easy mode, but with science we can do it the hard way too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 25 21:50:22 2020 No.13709933 File: 57 KB, 451x574, FB_IMG_1524185299694.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13709920 Why would I want to do it the hard way?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:11:31 2020 No.13710351 >>13701240 it's not accepted universally that almost all red meat is terrible for your health. there is a serious lack of evidence of this. many studies have even observed that it's completely untrue. check your sources

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:19:20 2020 No.13710373

>>13706637
You cannot use the land that you graze cattle on for agriculture effectively due to it being typically too low quality or too steep to allow for modern farming technqiues. In my sleepy part of England, the valleys and hill sides are used for animal husbandry because it's too swampy or steep for machinework and other ground is used for agriculture as you can get the tractors and combines up there.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:42:06 2020 No.13710432
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>>13709141
Vegans make lofty statements like this, meanwhile they literally ignore that their comrades are dying to their left and left, from the vegan malnourishment.

>Vegan ex child actor dies at 25
>Anti-meat WHO official dies at 51
>Popular vegan YouTuber "Vegains" in hospital after near death stomach operation.

Not that I give a fuck. Die if you want to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:44:12 2020 No.13710437 File: 54 KB, 1400x840, 2560.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13710432 >Vegan ex child actor dies at 25

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:46:37 2020 No.13710442 File: 727 KB, 1280x800, 1580916782510.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>Anti-meat WHO official dies at 51 When we say Veganism is a death cult, were not kidding.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:47:55 2020 No.13710446 File: 684 KB, 1280x800, 1582673058149.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Popular vegan YouTuber "Vegains" in hospital after near death stomach operation. This idiot lived because he was strong and young, this time. He's staying vegan lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 00:55:58 2020 No.13710463 >>13706459 Make sure you never stop sucking dick & pus covered cow titties, anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 01:07:51 2020 No.13710502 >>13708420 You're not a vegetarian if you eat fish

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 01:29:00 2020 No.13710568 File: 576 KB, 1280x800, 1582264717345-1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13710463 Only thing I can promise you is I will never listen to a vegan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 02:14:27 2020 No.13710657 >>13710442 He worked on emergency intervention, not nutrition guidelines. Almost certainly not a vegan either, simply statistically speaking.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 05:25:30 2020 No.13711034
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Would probably miss chicken and shit like cow tongue/head tacos the most. Sausages too.
Would not miss steak however, growing up Argentinan has ruined the taste for me.
I could care less how animals feel.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 05:57:06 2020 No.13711097 >>13701240 I could go epescitarian pretty easily, vegetarian with some more difficulty, but I wouldn't ever go vegan. Vegan is just fucking stupid and precludes symbiotic relationships with animals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 06:00:57 2020 No.13711102 >>13703325 eggs aren't meat so you'd be good senpai

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 06:06:46 2020 No.13711119 >>13701240 >it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health Only if you are retarded.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 07:19:14 2020 No.13711264 >>13701240 >would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan? No, because i'm not a faggot.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 07:34:48 2020 No.13711307

>>13709933
Why do anti vegans want to believe they're vegan too and care deeply about animals? It's like claiming you care more about someone else's marriage when you're not the one married. It's delusional logic. Animals living in crop fields is no excuse to enslave animals like we already done

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:18:26 2020 No.13711386 >>13711307 Good thing that it's by definition impossible to enslave non-human animals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:40:44 2020 No.13711421 >>13701249 >ethical reasons lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:50:31 2020 No.13711445 >>13701240 >A plain cheese pizza I fucking hate women that's why I married a dog, they like all pizza, don't take all your money, and are loyal as fuck.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:53:01 2020 No.13711450

>>13711386
HUR HUR MY DEFINTION
ALSO CARNIVORE IS VEGAN
>BY DEFINITION ANIMALS CANT BE ENSLAVED
>I CARE ABOUT DEFINITION
>ALSO I CARE ABOUT ANIMALS EVEN THOUGH I'M A ANTI-VEGAN AND I PAY PEOPLE TO SLAUGHTER THEM FOR ME ITS TRUE LOVE YOU EVIL VEGAN

this is how anti-vegans sound like

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 08:53:46 2020 No.13711452 >>13711445 >crying about food you sound like the woman desu

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 09:11:57 2020 No.13711489 File: 1.05 MB, 2000x1800, NOT_THE_COWERINOS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711450 >it's bad to pay people to kill and exploit animals >except when I do it

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 09:12:28 2020 No.13711490

>>13701240
I could never fully go veggie or vegan, I do think that we need a certain amount of meat to be fully healthy. That said, we eat WAY too much meat. I've cut back majorly, I eat meat maybe twice a month now, where as before I used to eat it at nearly every meal. Honestly you don't miss it half as much as you think you would, there's so much nice shit out there to eat.

But yeah, going fully vegan or vegetarian...fuck that, it's too much. But you should cut down, you'll feel better for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 09:15:19 2020 No.13711496 Idd miss beef, but heard u get to have a lot of Bull when u go vegan

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:06:28 2020 No.13711638

>>13701240
>would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan?

Was a vegetarian for 3 years. And a vegan for six months.

Vegan is no healthier than vegetarian, just more restrictions and harder to stay full. It fucked with my metabolism or something, I was always hungry and lethargic.

When I was a vegetarian I missed chicken the most which I didn't expect. I broke my vegetarianism with chicken wings. I didn't expect my stomach to get BTFO like it did. It's like my body forgot how to process meat, I could feel my gut churning.

I enjoyed being a vegetarian but it was too annoying making sure everything I ate was meatless and made me feel like a bother to eat with.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:09:52 2020 No.13711645

>>13711490
>That said, we eat WAY too much meat.

I think that is the main problem. I do think meat should be eaten but very limited. The amount of valuable trace minerals and B vitamins in meat make it too nutrient rich to ignore but we shouldn't be eating it every meal or we should only be eating very small amount if we do.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:33:05 2020 No.13711699

>>13711489
>eating a potato is the same is eating a animal product when the dairy industry is failing and wants people to buy dairy

You're obviously being delusional on purpose, buying and eating plants supports more plants being grown itself, not animals being abused

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:34:56 2020 No.13711707

>>13711699
>>13711489
Also plants don't attack workers, with rare exceptions, like cashews that have acid.

Animals don't like being abused and fight back to workers and there's videos of them, making people grow plants is still better on the "slavery" side because animals won't attack them if its plants instead

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:37:22 2020 No.13711715

>>13711707
>>13711699
>>13711489
AND the animals that live in crop fields can move by themselves and escape the machines, they're not locked up and caged like livestock are. They're free animals who can move out of the way because the aim is to get the plants, not the animals.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:40:32 2020 No.13711723 >>13701240 If animals are treated with respect and care, there is nothing wrong with eating meat. Humans are - gasp - omnivores.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 10:46:10 2020 No.13711741 >>13711699 >>13711707 >>13711715 So now it's okay to kill animals for food even though you just said it isn't? Sounds like cognitive dissonance to me.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 16:56:05 2020 No.13713089

>>13711741
Vegans don't eat the animals that live in crop fields or eat the animals that are shot because they were stealing fruit,
They eat the plants that are harvested, your claims are typical anti-vegan nonsense. Animals do live in crop fields that's true, but animals are scared of humans and tend to live elsewhere

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 17:08:54 2020 No.13713137 >>13701240 I could probably give up red meat but don't think I'd be able to stop eating Chicken, seafood, eggs, and dairy products.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 17:55:37 2020 No.13713350 File: 105 KB, 600x803, WrR8EEw.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13713089 You're in deep denial. These rabbits didn't care if you wanted to eat them, you murderer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:26:45 2020 No.13713501 File: 96 KB, 625x389, silvopastures_4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711715 Where is the lock and cage in this picture?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:28:43 2020 No.13713513 File: 52 KB, 550x412, hummingbird-hill-bed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711715 these sheep aren't locked up in a cage. Doesn't seem to be any laws that require livestock to be locked up in cages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:29:46 2020 No.13713523 File: 312 KB, 1024x683, IMG_1658-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711715 Oh no! a vegans worst enemy! Chickens not being tortured in cages! Say it isn't so!!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:31:41 2020 No.13713539 File: 1.24 MB, 860x500, 1478552458.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711715 Even pigs dont need to be locked up in cages?!

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:34:08 2020 No.13713554 If all hell breaks loose and we're forced to eat bugs, I'd go full vegan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:45:27 2020 No.13713613 >>13713539 Still beaten into trucks and towards slaughter in. Still fist fucked to impregnate them. etc etc. Unless you DIY everything start to finish it's just a nasty business.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 18:46:12 2020 No.13713619

>>13701249
>would you ever go fully vegetarian/vegan?
prolly not
>what meat would you miss the most and why?
prolly pork. cuz it's good
>it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health, but is it better than virtually starving your body of necessary nutrients by eating nothing but bean and nut juice as a vegan?
idk. i'm not a RD
>never mind the ethical or moral bullshit, joaquin phoenix can go fuck himself, assume every cow and pig is treated with the utmost care and killed humanely as possible, does the argument for being vegan still stand as a health concern?
see above

good thread, OP. totally not a waste of anything.

>>13701254
my nan wasn't white (well, maybe... depends who you ask; i'd say she wasn't white) and she was mostly vegan because religion (maronite) but yeah, i've never met a non-white vegan except for this one gay korean dude and this one black lesbian
is veganism just a white and homosexicle thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:01:55 2020 No.13713702 >>13711715 You realise animals dont just get caught in harvesters and killed, they are routinely exterminated by farmers with their dogs, traps, poisons etc, etc.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:06:37 2020 No.13713724

>>13713613
>Still beaten into trucks and towards slaughter in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p11Zu-BwL74
UH OH. And guess what? Pigs, cows, chickens, goats, sheep, ducks, turkey, etc, will just fuck eachother. It's cheaper and easier to get animals that naturally breed easily than to get all the prostate equipment and shit.
You dumb ass.
Also I do plan to do this all myself. I'm starting my own animal farm this summer. Suck my non existent cock, urbanite.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:16:31 2020 No.13713766

Nah, I considered it because I thought it might be better for my health, but fuck that shit. I eat vegetarian meals once or twice a week and that is enough. If I did go full vegetarian I wouldn't really miss red meat, but I really loves me some pork and chicken.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:23:54 2020 No.13713799

>>13713724
If you butcher outside a certified slaughterhouse then you can't sell it commercially in most western countries. As for natural breeding, sure it's possible ... it's just not common.

DIY is really the only option to get meat slaughtered on the farm and naturally bred.

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 19:33:26 2020 No.13713851

>>13713799
Yeah I'm gonna be raising, slaughtering, and butchering my own hog.

Also laws are changing, circle c is a farm in florida that has an on site slaughterhouse. Polyface also slaughters their own chicken on site.

Also what do you mean by natural breeding? Like no AI or just letting the animals hang out even though the males might be aggressive?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 21:17:35 2020 No.13714267 >>13701240 Not gonna read all the fag bullshit in this thread but I really REALLY wish that pizza (in her hand) was my cock.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 21:41:59 2020 No.13714358 File: 257 KB, 1280x800, 1581599110048.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13711450 I personally don't care how I sound to insane people. Just die. What does my laughter sound like every time another vegan dies in his 20s?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 21:44:49 2020 No.13714368 File: 537 KB, 1280x800, Joey Vamping Vegan Clown.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13713350 Those deaths were "necessary" animal deaths don't you know? Vegans have to eat something tra-la-la!!

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 21:48:43 2020 No.13714382
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It's been a!most two weeks since a vegan idiot died in his twenties .... tonight could be the witching night I wonder who will die mysteriously of the vegan wasting disease next???

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 22:49:00 2020 No.13714592 i don't get the logic of giving up something great to live longer. why live long if you give up something as fantastic as meat? i mean some people might not like the taste of meat, but the vast majority do.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:34:39 2020 No.13714712 >>13701240 I'd go vegan if it meant I could pound that teenie cunt until she aged out of interest. Otherwise no.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:38:27 2020 No.13714723 >>13707339 Something something animals eat way more food than we do and there's more of them than us

Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:44:15 2020 No.13714742

I could go vegetarian. I'd miss meat for sure, but I could still eat delicious meals every day and enjoy life mostly unencumbered by the dietary restriction.
I could never go vegan though. Vegan food replacement options suck and are obnoxiously expensive. Not being able to eat eggs or dairy cuts out an huge swath of possible food options, and demands not only cooking every single meal yourself. You can't eat out with friends, and you can't have meals with your family without either massively inconveniencing everyone or forcing them to follow your dietary restriction as well.

It's also just not that sensible. In terms of ecological impact, the difference between vegan and vegetarian is trivial. As an ethical matter it's totally possible to consume milk and eggs without harming animals, and the best way to make sure that happens is to economically support ethical producers of those products.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 26 23:54:34 2020 No.13714766 >>13703293 so you love the taste of raw red meat without salt just like dogs, more than anything else? scientifically our bodies are very similar to our fruit eating ape cousins and you can see that by our teeth and stomach

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 05:42:12 2020 No.13715587 File: 233 KB, 1024x679, Natural Outdoor Kids.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>13714766 Please don't say "our" you disgusting Satanist. I share no kinship with you. Eat bark like your ape cousins.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 07:59:47 2020 No.13715802 >>13713513 >>13713523 >>13713501 >>13713539 >I have images of animals not being in cages on my computer >Therefore there are no animals in cages I'm gonna let you figure out if your line of reasoning is sound and why you are retarded.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 08:01:42 2020 No.13715812
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>>13713501
>>13713513
>>13713523
>>13713539
These ISIS right here sure don't seem to be beheading anyone.
Can you tell me what exactly it is ISIS is doing wrong? Cause I sure am not seeing it in this pic.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 08:03:11 2020 No.13715813 >>13715587 Calm down there, Alex Jones.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 08:06:16 2020 No.13715823 >>13715587 >Drinking fresh blood from the teacup.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 08:27:03 2020 No.13715866 >>13715823 After the firsttaste you don't even notice it. Then it's just a warm iron/mineral taste

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 11:10:26 2020 No.13716279 >>13715812 If you look carefully you'll see the third one from the front isn't circumcised.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 11:22:23 2020 No.13716316
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>>13715812
Hold on there son, it's hard to compare ISIS and animal agriculture. A better comparison would be to compare ISIS to extremist veganism, since animal agriculture isn't a terrorist religion that harasses people who don't follow their religion, but extremist veganism does.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 11:30:35 2020 No.13716338 >>13716316 But that comparison wasn't being made, it was the quality of argument that was being criticized.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 12:02:29 2020 No.13716453
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>>13716316
I'm not comparing ISIS to agriculture, you brainlet, I am showing you the fault in your retard logic.
A picture of something not happening is not proof that it's not happening.

Do you see these two guys? Are they fucking each other?
Does that mean, that this is proof that they are not fucking each other?

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 12:05:42 2020 No.13716470

>>13701240
I don't really give a fuck about the animals, I've hunted plenty and have no qualms about feeding myself. But it's still an ethical issue. Animals are just super inefficient at converting calories, between fodder and pasture we use like 3/4 of ag land for animal production. 75% of the land for like 5-10% of your diet just seems fucking retarded and unsustainable.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 12:37:13 2020 No.13716557

>>13716453
Ok so what was the point of you bringing up isis?

My whole thing is you dont have to raise animals in tiny cramped shitty cages in order to eat them. I know it happens, but it doesnt have to be that way. Seriously, your isis comparison or whatever was weak. If you wanna eat tofu be my guest.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:22:50 2020 No.13716670

>>13716557
>My whole thing is you dont have to raise animals in tiny cramped shitty cages in order to eat them.
Which is a fucking moot point, cause yeah you don't have to, but people still DO, for the vast majority of meat production.
A single picture of a free range chicken is laughably irrelevant, it literally proves nothing.
You posted like 4 pics, like you were making some grande argument, when in reality you just made a pretty stupid, moot point.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:27:27 2020 No.13716687

>>13716557
To illustrate your faulty logic.
There is no thematical connection.
I'm not drawing parallels to isis itself, I am saying "Here is a picture of ISIS not murdering anyone, does that mean ISIS is not murdering anyone for real?" To which the answer is of course NO, that of course proves nothing.
Just like,
just because you have a picture of some chickens in forest, doesn't mean there are not millions and millions of chickens in tiny cages right now, I'd wager to say the majority of chickens is in fact NOT being happy and free in some forest.
The point being, that you have no point, cause your entire logic is faulty and moronic.
Are you being for real? Or just playing dumb?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:30:30 2020 No.13716698 >>13716670 Then don't buy meat raised in cages.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:31:53 2020 No.13716702 >>13701240 >it's accepted universally almost that red meat is terrible for your health Wasn't this denounced as untrue 2 years ago?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:35:52 2020 No.13716720 >>13701240 is that the same girl who got the black doll when she was younger and looked all disappointed?

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:40:02 2020 No.13716732

>>13716687
I'm not in denial of the fact that people are raising animals in cages, however if you Source your food, you can actually support Farms that don't put their animals in tiny cramped shity little cages. I mean, I'm planning to start raising my own chickens in less than a year , and there are absolutely no plans to raise them in cages. This would get in the way of my regenerative agriculture plan, I'm going to need their manure on pasture to help restore topsoil. You're just butt hurt because animals don't have to be tortured in order to be eaten.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 13:41:48 2020 No.13716737 >>13716670 If you want more than four pictures you can just Google search silvopasture or regenerative agriculture.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 16:37:45 2020 No.13717331 File: 770 KB, 1280x800, 1581186323283.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hopefully soon more and more vegans will be dying of malnourishment. Well have fewer of these threads.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 16:39:10 2020 No.13717338 >>13714358 >fruit and veg >no carbs hmmm....

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 17:23:46 2020 No.13717462 >>13716737 Do you still not see how fucking flawed that argument is? Are you genuinely retarded?

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 17:43:56 2020 No.13717517

>>13717462
Please mr faggot, don't just sit there shitting your pants, educate me. Or should I just live off crop monocultures that "unintentionally"
kill and torture animals even worse than a tyson chicken CAFO in china like your ethical ass does.

>Oh,don't worry, they aren't in cages! Sure, we took all their natural habitat for hundreds of thousands of acres that we could have just raised cows on without ripping up and chemically castrating the soil, and now they have no food or shelter because we will bust a fucking cap in any animal that even so much as sniffs our broccoli. But hey, they aren't in a cage!

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 17:54:33 2020 No.13717556
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>>13717462
Seriously, look at this sad excuse of a farm. All this land for broccoli, and that soil looks pale and dense as a fucking rock, I bet it can't absorb shit. Where the fuck are these wild animals that once lived there going to go???

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 27 20:07:15 2020 No.13717996 >>13717517 Goal post moving.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 20:11:24 2020 No.13718014

>>13717556
Most farms are to feed livestock.
>B-but this isn't
We have been over this. You can't just pick a single google image and say "LOOK AT THIS IMAGE IT PROVES YOU WRONG". Look here and here
>>13715812
>>13716453
Yeah, I know animals don't feed on broccoli.
They feed on corn and soy and all that.
Which require farms.

No amount of mental gymnastics will make veganism somehow less morally viable than eating meat.
I eat meat, my excuse being: I like it, I don't really care that much honestly.

What you are peddling is retarded nonsense.

Anonymous Thu Feb 27 20:31:29 2020 No.13718086
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>>13718014
>I eat meat but I still disagree with you eating meat
Wow.

Also you don't know the first thing about animal husbandry, crop agriculture, or soil health. What do you think livestock ate before grain subsidies and industrial crop farming and massive mechanized gas guzzling tractors, sprayers, and combines?

Cows are ruminants, even in an industrial setting they are only grain finished in order to be quickly fattened up for the last few months of their lives, because too much silage can burn a hole in their gut. They are optimized to eat grass.

>my excuse being: I like it, I don't really care that much honestly.

If you really don't care you wouldn't be talking to me. Our industrialized modern food system bothers you too.

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