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14680266 No.14680266 [Reply] [Original]

They knew a thing or two in medieval times.

>> No.14680287

>>14680266
i eat better now than any king that has ever lived ever did

>> No.14680290

>>14680287
no you dont

>> No.14680293

>>14680287
Yeah I'm sure you eating Taco Bell and M&Ms means you ate better than kings who had the best pastry chefs in the country on payroll just because the former contains more sugar. Pleb cope.

>> No.14680295

>>14680287
>any king that has ever lived
There are still kings, dude

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>>14680287
are you so sure?

>> No.14680301

>>14680290
i do
>>14680293
I don't eat taco bell or m&ms and those dumb asses could barely manage to get salt and pepper. Have you ever seen a pastry from the middle ages? looks like shit
>>14680295
i meant kings that actually ruled/mattered, i know there are still a few royal blood lines out there

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14680591

>>14680287
If you think you eat better than Richard II or Henry VIII, you are wrong.
Admittedly, though, while their food was fucking delicious, it was extremely rich, fatty, and unhealthy, so you are likely in better health than most medieval kings or courtiers. Do you eat better than them, though? Not a fucking chance. You ever had porpoise, peacock, and beaver tail in the same meal?

>> No.14680603

>>14680301
>Have you ever seen a pastry from the middle ages?
>implying natty sweetened honey/date/fig & fresh fruit desserts seasoned with mace, nutmeg, and cinnamon are inferior to a plastic-wrapped Hostess slopcake sitting on a shelf for 3 months before your fat grubby hands tear it from the wrapper

>> No.14680680

>>14680266
checked. artificial and processed foods is the major cause of all modern disease and is the leading source of total moralities.

>> No.14680840

>>14680603
my hands aren't grubby. the quality of every single ingredient, as well as the availability, are vastly superior now. I could make a medieval dessert from any culture in the world at any time of year for cheaper than a king could, and all of the ingredients, even if out of season, would be higher quality.

>> No.14680844

>>14680591
>all those meme animals
kings just ate that shit to flex. I've never seen anybody worth their salt recommend fucking beaver tail of all things

>> No.14680852

>>14680266
I think they also knew that 1610 wasn't the medieval times.

>> No.14681924

>>14680287
yeah but their food didn't kill them

>> No.14683577

>>14680266
A lot of medieval food for wealthy people sounds nasty mostly because the rich were just throwing random spices into their meals to show off their wealth. Handfuls of cloves, garlic, cinnamon, sugar, etc, in everything.

>> No.14683596

>>14683577
True but that's how we got some god tier combinations like applesauce on pork.

>> No.14683964

>>14680287
Monks had a healthier diet than Medieval kings or modern men.

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>>14683577
>>14683577
Knights were actually built like rugby players and usually taller than the general populace.

>> No.14684044

>>14680266
>medieval
>posts art by an Early Modern-era artist

>> No.14684060

>>14680287
there are still kings alive right now you retard

>> No.14684132

>>14680680
Explain

>> No.14684150

>>14684132
not that poster but generally processed food has a lot of the nutritious parts stripped away while still being high in calories. this makes the food not as satisfying because we need more than pure calories, and it doesn't send the same signals to stop eating which means it's easy to become obese with processed food. being obese pretty much increases your risk for any disease or other health problem. of course it's better than people starving but since it seems like food security isn't as much of an issue anymore we need to focus on increasing the quality of what's available now.

>> No.14684161

>>14680301
There are still absolute monarchies who have full control of a country's affairs, dude.

>> No.14685808

>>14683596
Is it?

>> No.14685815 [DELETED] 

>>14680266
in european medieval times

>> No.14685834

Coquinaria.nl

Great site for folks interested in this sort of thing

>> No.14685838
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>>14680266
>be me
>at Boston MFA c.2005
>few things catch my interest here and there but nothing too special
>suddenly see these few still life paintings by Claesz
>transfixed
weird how I never forgot the artists name, there's really something magical about his paintings

like pic related, smoked gammon with cloves and a side of deenz

>> No.14685850 [DELETED] 

>>14685838
you just KNOW this nigga was shoving these fish up some woman's vagoo

>> No.14685860

>>14680266
They didn't know shit about macros apparently

>> No.14685893
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>>14685850
no, anon, I don't know that

>> No.14685920 [DELETED] 

>>14685893
come on, you know how bitches act when somone pulls out fish

>> No.14685932

Imagine your diet being cheese, cured meats, and wine.

>> No.14685936

>>14685932
and apples and grapes

sounds great, and no vinegary shits

>> No.14685937

>>14683577
I feel like the peak time to eat elite food would have been the 19th century. Maaaaaaaaybe 18th century depending on the country.

>> No.14685940

>>14685937
probably right, peak agriculture and global spice trade, but without industrial and factory farming and counterfeit chinese ingredients getting into everything

>> No.14685945 [DELETED] 

>>14685937
food is better today than ever before.

>> No.14685948

>>14680840
do it, post pics

>> No.14685949

>>14680266
hey that looks like the vessel that reviewbrah prefers his water out of. Classy fucker

>> No.14685951

>>14680844
>rich fatasses ate those things to impress
NO FUCKING SHIT that's the point you retard

>> No.14685975

>>14685945
Well, I'm talking historical time periods.

>> No.14685982
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14685982

The fact that I'll never have Tudor-era "Christmas pie" hurts

It was a pigeon stuffed inside a partridge stuffed inside a chicken stuffed inside a goose, stuffed inside a turkey, stuffed inside pastry and then served with other meats.

>> No.14685989 [DELETED] 

>>14685982
sounds gross

>> No.14686005

>>14685982
All of those birds are still farmed today. The only reason you'll never have it is because you're either lazy, poor, or unadventurous, or any combination of things.

>> No.14686039

>>14686005
Where in the flying fuck, no pun intended, am I going to find a pigeon, a chicken, a goose, and a turkey.

>> No.14686046

>>14680287
We still have kings anon

>> No.14686049

>>14686039
Well, I don't know where the fuck you live, but most agricultural regions around the world, especially in continental North America, have speciality poultry and other bird farms. Pigeon (more often known by its culinary name "Squab") is widely available in many countries. About the only bird you listed that might be harder to find is partridge, which is more often hosted on game farms instead, but you could always buy a bird off of them instead of hunting it.

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>>14685982
I'll just stick with homemade chicken pot pie

>> No.14686060

>>14685838
Those bloaters look dank

>> No.14686067

there is more flavor in one dorito chip than a medieval peasant would taste in an entire lifetime

>> No.14686069

>>14686067
That's horseshit and you need to go back.

>> No.14686070

>>14680301
>Have you ever seen a pastry from the middle ages?
No and neither have you because photography didnt exist
>looks like shit
That's the painter's fault, you have no clue what it looked like irl. Also they really didn't have much problem getting salt and pepper lol

>> No.14686095

>>14685951
>exotic pig dick dinner
Shut up. British royal food was as bad then as it is today.

>> No.14687793

>>14680591
>porpoise, peacock, beaver tail
all these things are in mcdonalds "meat"

>> No.14687804

>>14680266
That bread boys.. hnnng

>> No.14687819
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>>14686060
he was big on herring, I guess the Danish 'ristocrats ate a lot of that shit. you probably find 30 painting by Claesz and Floris featuring herring and they always make it look so comfy

>> No.14687832 [DELETED] 

>>14685893
google led zeppelin, backstage, fish

>> No.14687839
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>>14687832
no i don't think i will

>> No.14687845 [DELETED] 

>>14687839
do it

>> No.14687892

>>14686039
google it and it gets to ypur home frozen.

>> No.14687900

>>14686039
Just compromise with Turkchicken stuffed inside a standing crust anon. Or you can just chop up thigh meat, layer with chicken on the bottom, and have a layered meat pie. Follow Babish’s GoT special and adjust the spices accordingly.

>> No.14687903

>>14680266
>1610
>medieval
Retard.

>> No.14688253

>>14680266

>dies of starvation when there's a bad harvest

>> No.14688262

>>14680603

>no refrigeration
>no sanitation
>no pesticides
>no disinfectants

Enjoy your weevil-riddled cholera cake, larper.

>> No.14688263

>>14680266
>7 of your 11 children die before the age of 10

>> No.14688298

>>14680603
people in the middle ages couldn't even get stiff peaks when beating eggs

>> No.14688313

>>14688263
>local jewish overlord raises taxes again
>stick a pitchfork up his ass
>now you are the local jewish overlord
How is this a bad thing again?

>> No.14688328

>>14680266
>medieval times
The painting you've posted is from 1610.

>> No.14688348

>>14687819
Herring poached in butter and wine with capers and lemon? Sign me the fuck up.

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>>14685949
It's a so-called römer or rummer glass which was common in that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rummer

>> No.14688405

>>14685945
For the average person? No, for sure not. But if you actualy have money that is true.

>> No.14688453

>>14688263
Well yeah, that’s why you had 11 kids in the first place. Notice how you still have more left over than your average modern Westerner.

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>>14680840
>the quality of every single ingredient, as well as the availability, are vastly superior now
True for meat (especially if you're comparing yourself to the average person rather than nobility), but for fish and vegetables it depends on where you're getting them. People also preserved their meat in ways that are now considered a standard part of cooking repertoire, e.g. through confit and curing, so it's not like they were eating spoiled crap.
>>14685834
Cool site, thanks.
>>14685945
There are better eras for food for the average person, but it's best for anyone upper-middle class and above.
>>14685982
Sounds like a shitty meme food, but you can easily buy all of those ingredients and make it yourself, or get someone else to make it for you.

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>we still have kings

>> No.14689251

>>14680266
They did. I'm fascinated by England's lost cuisine. Also watch TastingHistory on Youtube.

And visit the FoodsofEngland website for old English dishes

>> No.14689289

>>14685834
omg I LOVETHIS

>> No.14690563

>>14686039
A butchers?

>> No.14690569

>>14680266
my cousin had his birthday there years ago they fought with swords and shit while you ate

>> No.14692012

>>14680266
interesting point. will try to eat moretraditionally.

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>>14690569
they put on a good show. i was so smitten by one of the knights but he threw his rose out to some hussy :c

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14692045

post more food paintings, please

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>>14692045
I only have these two saved and I want more

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>>14692052

>> No.14692172

>>14686039
Lol, I just googled "speciality poultry farm" and found one 4km outside of the city I live in that sells all of those birds.

>> No.14692236

http://www.godecookery.com/incrd/incrd.htm#009