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Do you guys use MSG?
Just used it for the first time and I am genuinely upset at how much of a difference it had.

>> No.14904392

>>14904382
Yeah

>> No.14904410

>>14904382
Yes.

>> No.14904417

>>14904382
Yes, but only sparingly. For me it's a bit like subbing honey with sugar in a recipe - sure, it works, but the flavour is nowhere as interesting.
Whenever possible I'd rather use tomato paste, Parmesan cheese, soy sauce or mushrooms to achieve a similar but better result.

>> No.14904447

>>14904382
I jumped on the MSG train about a decade ago and haven’t looked back; it’s not a substitute for other umami rich stuff, Intreat it as it’s own seasoning

>> No.14904474

>>14904382
I worry about salt so I use fish sauce.

>> No.14904559

>>14904474
One tablespoon of fish sauce contains around 90% of your daily recommended intake

>> No.14904590

>>14904559
You probably use less than a tablespoon in week.

>> No.14904618
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14904618

>there used to be wars for salt
>now people freak out if they see a salt shaker in the table

>> No.14904620

How do I use msg?

>> No.14904635

>>14904620
The same way you'd use sugar, salt, or vinegar: add some, taste the food, and use your judgement.

>> No.14904652

>>14904382
>putting chemicals on your food
no thanks, there's enough söy in the water supply already

>> No.14904653

If I'm cooking something and it's looking like it's going to be boring or just shitty then I'll add a bit. Good in noodle soup or cooking odd bits of leftovers up together.

>> No.14904689

>>14904652
>>putting chemicals on your food
>no thanks
Please stop consuming DHMO, for a better world.

>> No.14904699

>>14904689
water is not a chemical, it's a liquid

>> No.14904703

>>14904699
>water is not a chemical, it's a liquid
Then go drink some sulphuric acid. "It is not a chemical, it's a liquid!", right?

>> No.14904705

>>14904703
sulphuric acid is an acid, not a drink

>> No.14904706

>>14904699
It's not a liquid if it's cooled to below 0 degrees.

>> No.14904709

id be upset too if i got headache and blood pressure because of adding stuff to my food

>> No.14904716

>>14904705
>sulphuric acid is an acid, not a drink
DHMO is also an acid with pKa = 15.7, thus not a drink. STOP DRINKING IT.

>> No.14904723

>>14904382
Yeah for some stuff

>> No.14904729

>>14904706
but it's hotter now, so that's irrelevant, a new ice age is due, but hasn't arrived yet

>> No.14904731

>>14904716
that's not an acid, lmao, acids are acidic pKa doesn't matter at all

>> No.14904757

>>14904731
>that's not an acid
Yes, it is. Arrhenius definition, you chemically ignorant fuck. Water is an acid and a base at the same time.

>pKa doesn't matter at all
pKa is only defined for acids. If it has a pKa it is an acid, period.

Now, back into the idiocy you (or someone equally as stupid) vomited in >>14904699 and >>14904652: EVERY FUCKING THING IS A CHEMICAL DAMMIT. Even if it's a liquid, like water. You need to consume chemicals to stay alive.

And the chemical in question (monosodium glutamate) is found in plenty natural sources, such as tomatoes or mushrooms. Retards like you might think it's different if it comes from a green plant or an industrial plant, but it's the exact same shit.

>> No.14904761

>>14904757
enjoy youre cancer from too much sodium

>> No.14904764

>>14904699
Its a compound you dumb fuck

>> No.14904798

>>14904788
salt isnt a processed chemical like msg.
salt comes from the ocean not a factory

>> No.14904807

>>14904761
>enjoy youre cancer from too much sodium
Yup, confirmed - you're a retarded fuck and ignorant on basic chemistry.
The amount of sodium ingested from MSG is a tiny, tiny fraction of the amount of sodium you'd get from... table salt. (aka SODIUM chloride, does it ring any bell for you?). Even for a heavy MSG user.

And if you have any doubt, do the fucking math or shut the fuck up.

>>14904798
>salt isnt a processed chemical like msg.
>salt comes from the ocean not a factory
It doesn't fucking matter if it comes from a factory or the ocean or a salt mine, you retarded Brazilian nigger.
You're now aware the source of a substance doesn't matter for its chemical or biological properties, but rather the substance itself. Fucking retarded söytard.

>> No.14904821

>>14904807
You dont seem to understand. chemicals are poisonous. think of cleaning chemicals, you wouldnt eat those.

>> No.14904824

>>14904417
>>14904447
This really. I have some but I rarely use it, instead I try to get glutamates from ingredients.

>> No.14904836

>>14904559
You use a dash of it

>> No.14904850

>>14904821
>You dont seem to understand
Or maybe, unlike you, I'm not ignorant on simple Chemistry facts such as "properties of a substance are the same no matter the source, provided the substance is exactly the same."

inb4 "it isn't the same!", well, then explain to me like I was five the chemical difference between the sodium glutamate naturally produced in tomatoes and industrial sodium glutamate. Good motherfucking luck.

>chemicals are poisonous
Every fucking thing is a chemical, you fucking moron. Even completely natural substances that never touched a factory.

>think of cleaning chemicals, you wouldnt eat those.
I wish you did.
And I also wish you ate some 100% natural poisonous frogs. Humankind would be smarter this way.

>> No.14904870

>>14904850
>chemical difference between the sodium glutamate naturally produced in tomatoes and industrial sodium glutamate
when it comes from nature it doesnt contain any chemicals.
chemicals are added when food is made in factories.

>> No.14904875

>>14904850
Why so serious?

>> No.14904884

>>14904870
>when it comes from nature it doesnt contain any chemicals.
see >>14904850
>Every fucking thing is a chemical, you fucking moron. Even completely natural substances that never touched a factory.
Illiterate faggot.

>>14904875
Because this kind of stupid superstition irks me.

>> No.14904907

>>14904884
kek, no.
most things are not made of chemicals, not even in america.

>> No.14904908

>>14904757
if everything was a chemical, chemists wouldn't have a job, that makes no sense anon

>> No.14904919

>>14904884
Everything you think you know is wrong.

>> No.14904920

>>14904884
it's not a superstition, chemicals come from a chemical plant, liquids and fruits and minerals come from nature

chemistry was invented recently, yet people drank water and ate salt before, they are clearly not chemicals, you don't need chemistry to produce them, but nobody ever had MSG before it was produced in a chemical plant

>> No.14904951

>>14904907
>most things are not made of chemicals
You're a fucking retard with awful reading comprehension and I bet your mother regrets shitting you into existence.
>not even in america.
Those taco niggers have jack shit to do with that.

>>14904908
>if everything was a chemical, chemists wouldn't have a job, that makes no sense anon
A chemist's job is to
1. Identify chemicals, and
2. combine specific chemicals to get other chemicals.
This is necessary even if everything is a chemical substance.

>>14904920
>it's not a superstition
Thinking that substances will be magically different if they come from a chemical plant or from nature? YES, it is superstition, deal with it.

>chemicals come from a chemical plant,
Again, you fucking retard: chemicals are EVERY FUCKING WHERE. Not all of them come from a chemical plant.
Water is a chemical. Salt is a chemical. MSG is a chemical.
This "natural vs. artificial substance" distinction is retarded.

>liquids and fruits and minerals come from nature
Please tell me conflating compounds, states of matter, and produce are the result of trolling. Please - I still want to have faith in humankind.
Go eat some 100% natural cassava leaves, or Amanita muscaria, or blue frogs. Please.

>> No.14904962

>>14904951
How are you sperging out on this subject when you don't even know what a chemical is?

>> No.14904971

>>14904951
nobody needs a chemist to identify water and salt, therefore they aren't chemicals Q.E.D.

>> No.14904979

>>14904951
somebody got brainwashed by the cult of science lmao, people drank water way before chemistry was even invented

>> No.14904980

>>14904971
>nobody needs a chemist to identify water and salt
Get some seawater then and tell me how much salt it contains, and which are the other compounds in that sample. WITHOUT CHEMISTRY.

>> No.14904990

>>14904979
Maybe some aliens with chemist technology have it to them.

>> No.14904994

>>14904979
>cult of science
No, it's just that unlike you I'm not some retarded and scientifically illiterate fuck.
I bet you believe vulture food comes back to life after the third day.

>>14904962
Let's be honest for a moment. Are you guys that stupid?
I don't mind being trolled but I'd rather not deal with filth like retards or similar non-humans.

>> No.14904999

>>14904994
I'm not stupid just because you're wrong. That kind of thinking is true stupidity.

>> No.14905004

>>14904951
calm down and you might learn something.
chemicals are not found in nature, chemicals are man-made and often poisonous. you should never eat chemicals like msg.

>> No.14905010

>>14904980
just boil away the water and weigh the salt.

>> No.14905032

>>14904999
Thing, wanna some advice? Go read some middle school Chemistry books. They should be a bit too complex for something like you, but already enough to show how fucking wrong you are.

>>14905004
>chemicals are not found in nature
They ARE, you fucking retard. A "chemical" isn't just a man-made substance, but any substance made of atoms.

>>14905010
>just boil away the water and weigh the salt.
1. That's already Chemistry (how do you know the salt won't boil alongside the water?), and
2. INCORRECT ANSWER because you'll get a lot more shit than just sodium chloride aka salt this way.

>> No.14905061

>>14904980
why would you care about that? all i care is that it tastes salty and it's not a chemical so i can put it in my belly

>> No.14905064

>>14905032
Fuck, now I'm a chemist because I boil water. This fucking guy. I haven't laughed this hard in a very long time.

>> No.14905097

>>14905032
"Chemical formula
C5H8NO4Na"
Thats from Wikipedias msg page.
whats that say? Oh thats right, chemical.
Dont eat it.

>> No.14905107

>>14905097
Water:
>Water is an inorganic, transparent, tasteless, odorless, and nearly colorless chemical substance, which is the main constituent of Earth's hydrosphere and the fluids of all known living organisms. It is vital for all known forms of life, even though it provides no calories or organic nutrients. Its chemical formula is H2O, meaning that each of its molecules contains one oxygen and two hydrogen atoms, connected by covalent bonds.
>Its chemical formula is H2O,
Thanks for proving my point, retard. Now go back to the barn.

>> No.14905109

>>14905032
>A "chemical" isn't just a man-made substance, but any substance made of atoms.
yeah of course, ill go clean my toilet with a potato because potatos are chemicals! Im sure the stains will disappear.

>> No.14905118

>>14905109
LMAO, imagine doing this! I wouldn't bother at this point. This guy is totally deluded.

>> No.14905119

>>14905107
Maybe in your country they add chemicals to the drinking water to kill bacteria.
here the water is clean so we dont need chemically water

>> No.14905120

>>14905061
>>14905064
>>14905109
Are you three that subhuman/retarded or are you just pretending?

And yes, even a 100% natural potato contains chemicals. WHICH ONES are able to say if you're going to clean your toilet with it or not.

>> No.14905126

>>14905119
>Maybe in your country they add chemicals to the drinking water to kill bacteria.
Yup, it's a retard, not an actual human being. Because unlike a human being it's unable to understand simple sentences.

>> No.14905132

>>14905120
holy fuck, where did you get brainwashed, imagine believing a potato is a chemical lmao, this has to be trolling

>> No.14905165

>>14905120
ever heard of chemical burns? didnt think so. Google it and you will understand. A potato is natural which means it cant be used for cleaning hard stains.
If you inject chemicals into the potato it can clean but it will be poisonous and burn your throat.

>> No.14907150

>>14905165
You God damn FUCKING idiot. SOME chemicals burn NOT all chemicals. DIFFERENT CHEMICALS HAVE DIFFERENT PROPERTIES GET THAT IN YOUR SKULL.

>> No.14908161

>>14904382
Oh yeah. I put that shit in just about everything.

>> No.14908171

>>14904652
>chemicals
Nigger, food is chemicals. Retard.

>> No.14908874

>>14905032

reddit retard gets baited and doesn't realize more than 3 posts later, actual subhuman

>> No.14908933

>>14904382
I have a shaker of accent seasoning and this stuff makes your mouth water.

>> No.14908968

>>14908874
I find modern internet to be more naive about trolling than the midpoint between early internet and now. My hypothesis is that it's because the mainstream media conflates trolling with flaming, leading to the general public being unaware of trolling for lulz.

>> No.14909159

>>14908171
most food doesn't have chemicals if they don't add them during manufacturing

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14909370

>>14904382

>> No.14909400
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14909400

>thread about MSG not being impressive
>a few moments later
> potato is a chemical
wtf happened in this thread?

>> No.14909413

MSG is bad tho

>> No.14909415

>>14909413
it's a chemical, i wouldn't eat it

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14909423

>>14909415
You had me at chemical.

>> No.14909464

>>14909400
am I having a fucking brain aneurysm. I want these people to both define chemical and use it in a sentence.

>> No.14909480

>>14909464
some high-school dropout is convinced natural produce is made with chemicals.
I try to explain there are no chemicals in a potato.

>> No.14909490

>>14909480
I dont think thats what he is saying? I feel he is saying the modern definition of chemicals would include the structures that make up the cells of the potatoes.
For example, Potatoes contain water, water is made of two hydrogen molecules and one oxygen molecule, therefor water is a chemical compound found in potatoes.

You seem to be referring to chemical compounds that fall under the umbrella of industrial chemicals like bleaches or strong solvents, none of those should be in potatoes

>> No.14909541

>>14904635
Can I use it instead of salt when making steak? How would I go about it?

>> No.14909560

>>14909541
just throw it and try not to inhale

>> No.14909580

>>14909490
potatos do contain water, but no chemicals. unless its processed potato made in a french fry factory.

>> No.14909697

>>14904559
depends on the brand

>> No.14909707

>>14904474
>>14904559
what's fish sauce? do they squeeze the fish?

>> No.14909734

>>14909707
>Fish sauce is a liquid condiment made from fish or krill that have been coated in salt and fermented for up to two years.[1][2]:234 It is widely used as a staple seasoning in East and Southeast Asian cuisine.
>Fish sauces historically have been prepared from different species of fish and shellfish, and from using the whole fish, or by using just fish blood or viscera. Most modern fish sauces contain only fish and salt, usually made from anchovy, shrimp, mackerel, or other strong-flavored, high oil fish. Some variants add herbs and spices. For modern fish sauces, fish or shellfish is mixed with salt at a concentration of 10% to 30%. It is then sealed in a closed container for up to two years.[1]:234
>Once the original draft has been made, some fish sauces will be produced through a re-extraction of the fish mass via boiling. To improve the visual appearance and add taste, second-pass fish sauces often have added caramel, molasses, or roasted rice.[1]:234 They are thinner, and less costly. Some volume manufacturers of fish sauce will also water down a first-press to manufacture more product.
>Fish sauce that has been only briefly fermented has a pronounced fishy taste. Extended fermentation reduces this and gives the product a nuttier, richer and more savory flavor.[according to whom?] An anonymous article, "Neuc-num", in Diderot and d'Alembert's 18th-century Encyclopédie, states: "It is said that Europeans become accustomed enough to this type of sauce".[16]

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14909750

>>14904382
It's literally just salt 2 0, if you've ever had something umami and wondered why it tasted so good, msg is usually the culprit

>> No.14909766

>>14904474
If you're naturally inclined to having high blood pressure, then understandable. If not, just drink more water to flush the excess sodium out. Make sure you get a good amount of potassium as well.

>> No.14910019

>>14909734
>fish or krill that have been coated in salt and fermented for up to two years
based, fermented food is good for digestion and has no chemicals

>> No.14910025

>>14909707
have sex

>> No.14910033

>>14910019
>>14909766
>guzzles pure salt
>"duhh just wash it out with water"
>develops colon cancer
>"duhh just wash it out with water"

The salt lobby sure is active on /ck/.

>> No.14910037

>>14910019
Yeah, most people don't realize that fermentation is a totally natural process requiring no chemicals at all. Mass produced fermented products often do contain chemicals though, so be careful.

>> No.14910063

>>14910033
just use less of it?

>> No.14910069

>>14910037
>sodium chloride isn't a chemical
>lactic acid isn't a chemical
Yep, the salt lobby shills really do be like this. Enjoy your colon cancer.

>> No.14910308

>>14905032
the main difference people speculate over is the quantity of msg used. eating foods with naturally occurring glutamates is different than adding chemically synthesized msg to food. if you have any peer-reviewed articles assuring us of the safety of ADDED msg then link them

>> No.14911147

MSG is based

>> No.14911180

>>14904382
is there any way i can buy MSG without the chemicals? like is it naturally occurring in any product?

>> No.14911238

>>14911180
It's naturally occurring in mushrooms and seaweed among other things. I know you're trolling but that's the answer anyway.

>> No.14911254

>>14911238
is there a specific powdered mushroom or similar or seaweed product that gets used like that?