/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.15630397]

Kenji sóypez-Alt is bitching about Gordon Ramsay's behaviour, again.

[Anonymous No.15630401]

>>15630397
part2

[Anonymous No.15630408]

>>15630401
part 3

the video he is referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH6arvgbYUw&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.15630410]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1X11aLACso
This is the show being referenced. Pretty based since it's less obviously scripted than his later stuff

[Anonymous No.15630409]

>>15630397
He's not wrong you know. This sort of behaviour is unacceptable.

[Anonymous No.15630444]

>>15630397
Would you like to have a boss who acts like that towards you?
Din sopa

[Anonymous No.15630446]

>>15630410
If he allowed this to be filmed, I wonder how much more of a tyrannical abusive prick he is off camera. People like this are in every line of work however. Just wait a few years, and cancel culture will get around to abusive bullies too.

[Anonymous No.15630463]

Why would anyone ever want to work as a cook? Terrible hours, shit pay (even at a three-star restaurant), and a hot-tempered boss. Seems like one of those industries where your passion gets exploited ruthlessly and you're turned out the door with nothing to show for it when you're 60.

[Anonymous No.15630484]

lmao bitch who can't even get one star SEETHING about based Ramsay with 16 stars (currently holding 7)

[Anonymous No.15630487]

>>15630409
This sort of behavior created the greatest chefs we've ever seen. In such a fast paced environment you do have to get everything perfect otherwise there are a dozen other retards willing to take your place. No one forced these cunts to work with gordon. They knew what they were getting into

[Anonymous No.15630500]

>>15630446
> abusive
can't they just quit? retard alert. you have to go back

[Anonymous No.15630521]

>>15630409
>unacceptable
Cope by people incapable of excellence. You see this type of behavior in every high pressure environment, from the navy seals to the stock exchange. Excellence + time constraints = no time for your HR bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15630528]

I mean, he seems to have a point

[Anonymous No.15630529]

>>15630487
Yes and the battlefields of WWII created the best infantry and officers.

Not a valid argument. Alain Ducasse, current top Michelin stared chef, has actually spoken out against abusive kitchen practices, as has Jaques Pepin.

[Anonymous No.15630530]

>>15630397
not surprising a cuck who took his wife’s last name is crying like a bitch

[Anonymous No.15630538]

>>15630444
I would have happily done so in my 20s. Pushing 40, not so much. There's a time and a place for that high pressure environment and Gordon isn't wrong for continuing that tradition.

[Anonymous No.15630542]

>>15630500
No, they can't just quit. They stay because if they do quit, it basically finishes their career potential. The bully chefs know this, and use it to their advantage.

[Anonymous No.15630551]

>>15630397
>nooo not my gordon ramseyrino!!!!!!!!!!!!
The man is a hack whose only claim to fame is YOU DONKEY and WHERE'S THE LAMB SAAAAAAAAAUCE. He's lost the plot. He can't even make a fucking grilled cheese. "He's being a cunt to others, but helps build character!" is peak slave mentality. KLA is spot on.

[Anonymous No.15630552]

>>15630397
>>15630401
>>15630408
he is such an insufferable coastie liberal

[Anonymous No.15630560]

>>15630397
>g-gordons so based h-hes like uhh rude

average ramsey fanatic

[bruce No.15630578]

>>15630397
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[Anonymous No.15630582]

>>15630521
Let’s see you do any of that. Truth is it’s just a shitty subculture perpetuating itself. Putting the heat on people under stress just makes them shittier at what they do. Literal cave man mindset that real leadership never has.

[Anonymous No.15630591]

>>15630578
>Peak /ck.

[Anonymous No.15630594]

You have to mention The Food Lab so he gets a notification

[Anonymous No.15630603]

>>15630582
>Truth is it’s just a shitty subculture perpetuating itself
>t. femoid, tranny, or leftist.

Anyone who doesn't understand Gordon literally has no balls.

[Anonymous No.15630631]

>>15630529
That's great. There are multiple ways of running a kitchen. Clearly gordon's works since hes a top michelin starred chef as well and people would cut off their finger to work for him

[Anonymous No.15630674]

>>15630463
This and computer repair
Which are my only marketable skills so I think I'm just gonna an hero

[Anonymous No.15630688]

>>15630397
Make sure you mention the name of his book in the thread, so you know he'll get a notification about it.

[Anonymous No.15630746]

>>15630674
>computer repair
I feel really bad for these guys (and I watch a lot of Louis Rossman). They have the skill and technical knowledge of an engineer, but are only given half the respect and money. Also, with Apple and other big tech manipulating laws to make this practice harder and harder, it's a very masochistic industry to work in.

[Anonymous No.15630779]

>>15630397
Sous chef at a one Michelin star restaurant. You have to understand, even at this level, most of the back of house staff are junkies and convicts who ONLY understand violence and yelling. The only way you can get them to stop fucking up, is by shouting, and sometimes having a "conversation" in the walk in. It's one of the few industries left where it's not only accepted, it's necessary. I'd love it if everyone who we hired was a professional, but that's the thing, the froo froo kids coming in from culinary school can't handle it, and don't show up after their first shifts. The only people you can rely on, are the guys covered in prison tattoos, who need a job as a condition of their parole, and will walk all over any chef or sous who doesn't have the balls to punch them in the mouth. You can say I'm lying, you can go "well that's why you're just a one star" or whatever, but it's the truth.

[Anonymous No.15631026]

>>15630397
>ramsay starts to fall off
>the jackals come out and start circling him waiting to pick his corpse clean
like poetry

[Anonymous No.15631056]

>>15630397
Gordon Ramsay deserves no admiration. He deserves to be shunned.

[Anonymous No.15631090]

Kenji is based af

[Anonymous No.15631092]

>>15630779
I get this, but how then can people like Alain Ducasse do the exact opposite and at least in his case, become the top starred chef in the world? If there is a better way, and it seems there is, shouldn't we follow that path instead?

[Anonymous No.15631102]

>>15631056
Give it a few more years. It will happen. Or someone will punch him out behind the garbage dumpster, he will sue, but the publicity surrounding the case will reveal what he did to provoke the underling, and the cheese melter's reputation will be in the toilet.

[Anonymous No.15631105]

>>15630779
>We have to treat the employees like shit because they're all junkies and convicts because all the regular people quit because we treated them like shit

[Anonymous No.15631109]

>>15630397
>kenji: people should act professionally in their workplaces
>OP: booo this, kenji is a soyboy.
Do you hear how fucking retarded you sound?

[Anonymous No.15631110]

>>15631092
Oh, it's simple.
Carefully hand-pick every single member of the brigade de cuisine, from the plongeur all the way to the sous, paying attention to their personalities.
Hey, I said it's simple, not easy.

[Anonymous No.15631125]

>>15631109
for some reason people think kitchens are like soccer teams or something and any behavior is excusable if you just start winning. it's a workplace lmao

[Anonymous No.15631128]

>>15631109
OP doesn't actually give a shit about anything in the pic, he just wants to defend his husbando ramsay

[Anonymous No.15631138]

>>15631110
Yeah. Two approaches. I do know however, where I would rather work given the chance. (Not going to happen, I am about as old as Ramsay himself, and I work for myself. Better suited to my temperament.)

[Anonymous No.15631139]

>>15630779
how many people will be at your funeral when you die at forty of liver failure?
lol

[Anonymous No.15631175]

>>15631139
I don't even drink.

[Anonymous No.15631488]

>>15630397
Reminder that this is the face of the man that wrote that.

[Anonymous No.15631498]

>>15630397
Kenji is incredibly pozzed and I don't know why anyone takes him seriously. Like imagine saying the N word in front of him and watching as he curls up on the ground and has a mental breakdown.

[Anonymous No.15631522]

>>15630397
>violently assaulting
in a room full of knives and chavs, I doubt it

[Anonymous No.15631527]

>>15631498
Doesn't matter. The truth is the truth.

If a fairy, dressed in a rainbow colored toga ran up to you to tell you the building was on fire, would you ignore said fairy and sit there til the flames got you?

[Anonymous No.15631536]

>>15630397
People say it's an act. It isn't.

Ramsay was picked to be on TV because of how he is, not despite of it.

[Anonymous No.15631547]

>>15631527
twitter is like 90% bots and 10% faggots dressed in rainbow colored togas so your sample group is a bit biased there mate

[Anonymous No.15631549]

>>15631105
Regular people don't want to cook for a living

[Anonymous No.15631561]

>>15631536
He has a British show where he's much more tame. He plays it up when in front of an American audience because he knows that's what sells. One aspect of being a Michelin star chef is understanding how to cater to an audience.

[Anonymous No.15631567]

he's not wrong. he was wrong however in telling people to wear masks and get a vaccine, that shit was annoying and I hoped that he wouldn't use his youtube for that kind of proselytizing but he did

[Anonymous No.15631579]

>>15631567
His owners are so close to world domination what did you expect

[Anonymous No.15631584]

>>15631561
I've watched the original British, and it is tamer. But I reckon he toned it down much more for that show than for the American one.

[Anonymous No.15631586]

what a massive fucking faggot this mongrel is

[Anonymous No.15631596]

>>15630397
good, if someone needs to be canceled for being a fucking hack faggot is that fucking bong, I don't know why /ck/ has a boner for him all the time "he a gud boy, he dindu nutting" fuck you!

[Anonymous No.15631602]

>>15631547
Likely true. I don't use twitter.

[Anonymous No.15631613]

>>15631488
He kinda looks like ramsay there...

[Anonymous No.15631647]

>>15630397
This is what happens when a society becomes feminised. It becomes commonplace to ignore the basic reality that men deal with each other knowing that an argument can always degrade into violence, and that discipline is a necessary component of skill and experience.

Gordon chewed those chefs and demoted them in order to maintain the quality of food from his restaurants. The jobs of all the other chefs depend on their peers not ruining the reputation of their food. This isn't the sort of damage that can be remedied by a chat to HR, or a "please do better next time", or a "I'll fire you if you do this again". By demoting them, he has reduced their ability to affect the quality of the food, until they can prove themselves. He has also reminded everyone of the standards required, and that there is no stable position that can enable carelessness.

[Anonymous No.15631662]

>>15631647
>Gordon chewed those chefs and demoted them in order to maintain the quality of food from his restaurants. The jobs of all the other chefs depend on their peers not ruining the reputation of their food. This isn't the sort of damage that can be remedied by a chat to HR, or a "please do better next time", or a "I'll fire you if you do this again". By demoting them, he has reduced their ability to affect the quality of the food, until they can prove themselves.

This. Thank you. The people who don't get this have never tried working in a high pressure situation. A three star kitchen is as susceptible to O-ring failures as any complex organization (or rocket ship). One small fuck up from the saucier and the whole dish is ruined.

Kenji Lopez-Alt is in the gigantic category of massive cunts who don't think they're cunts because they talk in reddit-speak. I'd rather take Gordon over his ass any day.

[Anonymous No.15631676]

>>15631498
He actually had to apologize for saying the n word.

[Anonymous No.15631691]

>>15631527
No, I'd lock the doors so that I could take the faggot out with me.

[Anonymous No.15631709]

>>15630397
he's right

[Anonymous No.15631718]

>>15630408
>commie, commie, fuck off
based
that's probably what pissed off this literal who faggot

[Anonymous No.15631731]

If you suffered in life and want other people to suffer too because you "turned out fine", you did not in fact turn out fine.

[Anonymous No.15631800]

>>15631731
You gotta go back

[Anonymous No.15631833]

>>15630409
no one requires your acceptance. are you speaking on behalf of all humanity, then?

[Anonymous No.15631842]

>>15631731
suffering is literally what makes us human and what has led to us dominating every other species on the planet

[Anonymous No.15631850]

>>15631731
>t. daddy's little rich kid who had everything handed to him

Everyone suffers. If you didn't suffer while growing up, you're a sheltered, spoiled brat.

[Anonymous No.15631856]

>>15631731
le who hurt you le sweet summer child

[Anonymous No.15631862]

>work for Gordon Ramsay
>fuck up
>get yelled at or something thrown at you

>work for Kenji-Lopez Alt
>call something "retarded" in passing
>get fired
>Kenji tries to get you banned on Twitter

Yeah, I think I know which one I'd rather work for. According to his own admission, he literally bans his cooks from swearing while they work. Not even from yelling, but from swearing. I shit you not.

[Anonymous No.15631871]

>>15631862
what the f***

[Anonymous No.15631877]

>>15631862
>According to his own admission, he literally bans his cooks from swearing while they work. Not even from yelling, but from swearing. I shit you not.
Jesus fucking christ, no wonder his dishes are always low effort, home cook tier. I swear all the time whenever I'm by myself either cooking or trying to code. I'd rather take the occasional verbal beatdown than have to work on eggshells.

[Anonymous No.15631902]

>>15630551
>peak slave mentality
the fact that you compared a man's enjoyment of a celebrity chef's content with "peak slave mentality" is actually hilarious but i almost didnt see the humour due to the fact that ive been here too long

[Anonymous No.15631906]

>>15630551
lmao like him or not, you can't deny he is very successful and it wouldn't have come if he couldn't even make a grilled cheese. i doubt you are truly successful in anything in your life and it's obvious you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.15631907]

>>15630397
I remember I was enjoying an evening on the sofa, bit of a lad nights in watching kitchen nightmares reruns. It was pleasant though I do find the USA version to my quite repetitive and tactless. My pleasant television binge was halted however when I shit myself

it was terrible

[Anonymous No.15631944]

>>15630397
Kenji is honestly such a reddit faggot, is anyone really surprised that he would post this?

[Anonymous No.15631963]

>>15631907
You should probably get that looked at, anon. You're what? 25-40 years old? Bowel incontinence at that age doesn't bode well. t. - medfag

[Anonymous No.15632001]

>>15630397
What a baby, never been in the army I see. No one is forced to work for him ND no one is forced to go the army. Same shit.

[Anonymous No.15632106]

>>15630487
That sort of behavior did not create great chefs. Incidence and nothing more, not correlation, not causation.

>>15630521
You don't see physical assault in high pressure environments as a rule. You mostly see physical assault in male environments because men are little more than apes.

[Anonymous No.15632118]

>>15631906
He's successful for being a TV personality, NOT for being a chef. It's like equating Donald Trump to being a successful president. TV is not reality.

[Anonymous No.15632169]

>>15632106
Eh, nah, physical assault happens in ballet and ice skating and other female dominated high pressure settings. But I'd say it happens for the same reason sexual assault often happens in these settings: idol worship of those in charge, whether they're respected chefs or respected coaches. It's cucks being cucks, basically.

[Anonymous No.15632173]

>>15631944
His book is literally distilled reddit. It's the sheer STEM worship combined with literal star wars and lord of the rings references.

[Anonymous No.15632175]

>>15630500
.t non chef
go back to your fast food thread peasant

[Anonymous No.15632203]

>>15632169
>physical assault happens in ballet
What?

[Anonymous No.15632233]

>>15630397
Gordon has won 16 Michelin stars. He came from a poor working class family. His Dad was an alcoholic and he left home at 16 to start washing dishes for minimum wage. He moved to France with hardly a penny to his name and worked his way up the culinary world of France to become a professional and qualified chef. He owns dozens of restaurants across the planet, built a million dollar entertainment empire around his food shows and is known across the world as a respected chef and entertainer.

Kenji Lopez Alt spent 3 years in culinary school before eventually opening his own small restaurant. He writes for the New York Times occasionally and has a mildly popular YouTube channel.

This is the difference between these two men. Gordon Ramsay doesn't even know who Kenji is. Kenji couldn't possibly understand Gordon's life because he had a privileged upbringing and spent his life being content with mediocrity. Nobody will remember Kenji when he dies, Ramsay will live on for generations after he passes on.

[Anonymous No.15632241]

>>15632203
Yeah, all the time.

[Anonymous No.15632244]

>>15631647
>>15631662
If your way of dealing with stress and high standards is to freak out like bitch and start yelling at people, then you aren't rational.

[Anonymous No.15632247]

>>15632233
Imagine sucking the dick of somebody you don’t know this hard.

[Anonymous No.15632298]

>>15632247
I'm not sucking dick, I'm stating facts. I think Gordon is a prick in that video and I would not work for him. But that's what it takes to be great. There are great people across other fields of work that have similar abusive histories behind them, like Hayao Miyazaki. That's what it takes to become successful.

[Anonymous No.15632306]

>>15631549
I wonder why

[Anonymous No.15632330]

>>15630529
If you don't like it then don't work for Gordon, or don't eat at Gordon's restaurants. Don't mobilize your instagram army to cancel Gordon for perceived and uncorroborated abuse based upon your literal feels.

Kenji is a fucking faggot who needs to get DOTR'd

[Anonymous No.15632363]

>>15630397
who?

[Anonymous No.15632407]

>>15632173
t. didnt finish highschool

[Anonymous No.15632465]

>>15630487
Just the “greatest” asshats that want to be on tv. Best food is always made by some guy you’ve never heard of. Success kills people’s reality.

[Anonymous No.15632467]

>>15630521
Shut up, you flip burgers.

[Anonymous No.15632478]

>>15630779
You talk like a pussy who has never punched another human let alone a co-worker. If you tried to have it out with me over an undercooked scallop, you’d need fucking dentures afterwards

[Anonymous No.15632481]

>>15631110
This is what every chef should be doing at high level dining.

[Anonymous No.15632482]

>>15632467
>projecting this hard
I'm not in the culinary world retard. I do software. But please keep giving these non-arguments as to why people like Gordon and drill sergeants aren't necessary in this world.

[Anonymous No.15632499]

>>15631850
If you grew up with suffering, and wish to inflict more than what is incidental to you living pure life, you are incurring a karmic debt that will be paid in this life or the next.

[Anonymous No.15632513]

>>15630409
It is perfectly acceptable. You're a whiny cunt and what takes place between Ramsey and the people that work for him does not involve you. Quit sticking your nose up other peoples' assholes.

[Anonymous No.15632515]

>>15632298
>that’s what it takes

Shut the fuck up, you don’t know shit.

[Anonymous No.15632520]

>>15632499
>If you grew up with suffering, and wish to inflict more than what is incidental to you living pure life, you are incurring a karmic debt that will be paid in this life or the next.
>implying that is why Gordon acts the way he does

You're a soft retard who has never achieved any manner of excellence in your life. When I'm working my hardest, I have an inner voice telling me that I can do better, not unlike Gordon's external voice. The fact you have never experienced anything like this tells me you are mediocre in everything you have ever done.

[Anonymous No.15632528]

>>15632482
Drill sergeants train people to kill others.

Chefs oversee food going out to paying customers.

To compare their methods speaks to your TV fueled ignorance. They do not do the same thing. Discipline can be instilled without using the methods of destruction of self.

Chefs who style themselves as drill sergeants are indulging themselves at the expense of their crew.

[Anonymous No.15632530]

>>15632515
t. pussy ass nobody wageslave
LOL

[Anonymous No.15632535]

>>15632528
Drill sergeants are there to break undisciplined retards so they don't have to be disciplined anymore. That's precisely what Gordon does with the idiots on stuff like Kitchen Nightmares. You need to be a drill sergeant to get through the delusion of some people.

>expense of their crew
You're the retard if you can't separate the public persona from the professional. No way he treats his actual crew like this because they are professionals, not the idiots in Hell's Kitchen or whatever.

[Anonymous No.15632536]

>>15630397
I was gonna say something, but then I realized I know nothing about being great or successful at anything.

[Anonymous No.15632537]

>>15632520
Striving for excellence and reducing suffering are not mutually exclusive.

I work to improve my cooking every day with mindfulness and awareness. One can do this through self-aggression but at what cost?

You honestly sound pathetic and impotent.

[Anonymous No.15632541]

egg
in

perfect

[Anonymous No.15632543]

>>15632528
a drill sergeant should kill you and an abusive chef should butcher your carcass

[Anonymous No.15632545]

>>15632537
>mindfulness and awareness
Jesus fucking christ. I can feel my T levels dropping just reading this shit.

[Anonymous No.15632547]

>>15632535
You’re ignorant. The clip that this very thread is about is from a documentary called boiling point and it is day to day operations as he pursues his third Michelin star.
How about you stop talking about things you know jack shit about?

[Anonymous No.15632553]

>>15632545
When’s the last time you meditated? Too boring for you?

[Anonymous No.15632556]

[Anonymous No.15632566]

>>15632547
>The clip that this very thread is about is from a documentary called boiling point and it is day to day operations as he pursues his third Michelin star.
And every single crew member, even the one he fired, were grateful to have worked with him. How about you stop judging things you know absolutely nothing about Kenji?

[Anonymous No.15632568]

>>15632545
Isn’t awareness what you use to monitor yourself? You do not have to beat yourself for greatness. It will not be easy, but you aren’t looking for easy anyways.

[Anonymous No.15632576]

>>15632106
That sort of behavior created the greatest chefs, athletes, artists, etc.

[Anonymous No.15632579]

>>15632553
>>15632568
shit dude get a grip, you sound like the kind of homo who buys into healing and jo crystals

[Anonymous No.15632580]

>>15630529
>created the best infantry and officers.
debateable
>kitchens are wars
yawn

[Anonymous No.15632585]

>>15632568
>Isn’t awareness what you use to monitor yourself?
Anyone who unironically says "mindfulness and awareness" isn't actually concerned about that, no more than a manger-type who says "synergy" is actually looking for synergistic relationships in their team. It is a vacuous phrase used by the dimmest of midwits.

[Anonymous No.15632609]

>>15632566
But I do. I worked with an absolute prick of a chef who was fully invested in the Marco Pierre white / Gordon Ramsey mythology. Shit attitudes, pissy little bitch fits, and intimidation actually drive talent away. Then you have to be on the line 6 nights because that guy who cooks your steaks for 60 hours a week told you to get bent and took a job across town.

[Anonymous No.15632615]

>>15632609
Drives losers like you away and brings in disciplined talent to take your place instead. Win-win LOL

[Anonymous No.15632623]

>>15630397
If he really believed this he would have said this on his main account and not his alt.

[Anonymous No.15632646]

My argument for it been a good thing for new workers to get shit on a bit and stressed out when they fuck up.
Where I work (not in food) if I fucked up hard as a apprentice sure they shout and scream at you for doing dumb shit but that's all.
If I did the same fuck up as the supervisor I would have got a much worse punishment because they know I know much better and know the safety laws and all that shit.
Better to make them know pay attention and do shit intentionally instead of doing shit rush jobs and fucking up and wasting money martials and time.
Long term if you got a guy you need to scream at all the time after a few years experience just get rid of him he isn't learning shit or if your just a abusive asshole go fuck your wife and come back to work.

[Anonymous No.15632651]

>>15630631
Having enough clout to make other chefs famous just by working for him is not the same as abusing your staff and saying you that creates good chefs

[Anonymous No.15632654]

>>15630538
Not really. The whole "trauma produces great art" narrative is totally false and makes it easy to brush off abusive behavior

[Anonymous No.15632733]

>>15632407

[Anonymous No.15632829]

>>15632733
I've your argument right here

[Anonymous No.15632897]

>>15630397
Libtards hurl the word abuse around so much that it lost its meaning. Used to mean drunken step father throwing a bottle of whiskey at you kind of bad, but to them, it even means seeing a bad word (even if not even directed at them) on the internet.

[Anonymous No.15632904]

>>15632829
>muh dik
swarthy """""gentleman""""" detected

[Anonymous No.15632955]

>>15632904
Dicklet confirmed, sorry but I don't argue with your kind. Your concession is thus accepted.

[Anonymous No.15633137]

>>15630397
>people can't change
Gordon's a hack now, but Kenji's a faggot

[Anonymous No.15633159]

>>15632541
foul

[Anonymous No.15633181]

>>15630397
Based kenji. If you can’t control people without screaming at them you’re a shit leader. If you hire incompetent people you’re retarded.

I work at an investment bank and can tell you the people who perform the worst are the people who scream at people 1 level below them. It perfectly demonstrates them projecting their own inadequacy onto subordinates.

Desperate loser boomers who can’t keep up in the new world and need to cope by screaming at a bus boy.

[Anonymous No.15633201]

>>15632233
He isn’t known for his stars or his restaurants. He’s known for his reality tv personalities. He’s known for being le epic mean boss who owns the bad chefs. His legacy is not one of greatness but of reality tv mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.15633215]

Honestly being a chef as a profession is fucking cringe. Even Gordon knows this which is why he’s an entertainer. Get a real job losers

[Anonymous No.15633230]

>>15630397
>>15630401
>>15630408
>hyphenated last name
that's all it takes to set off the gaydar

[Anonymous No.15633236]

>>15630463
It pays off if you work hard and are honest, it jus takes a while. I agree that the amount of time that you put in vs the average income is off balance but if you truly enjoy it then that is some compensation.

[Anonymous No.15633241]

>>15633230
He took his wife's last name, making him even more of a faggot than a gay person

[Anonymous No.15633242]

>>15633215
>Get a real job losers
You get paid so it's a job

[Anonymous No.15633243]

>>15633181
to be fair, some people are completely fucked in the head and only respond to screaming and shouting. all the pragmatism in the world won't help when the clock is ticking and a lazy ass scratching shit for brains staff member is fucking around and not pulling their weight

[Anonymous No.15633256]

>>15633243
Why would a good chef hire this incompetent person? If I need to hands on motivate you to do your job in high pressure situations, I wouldn’t fucking hire you.

[Anonymous No.15633266]

>>15631488
okay? so?

[Anonymous No.15633268]

>>15633256
it happens to the best of us. sometimes people have shit on their minds and don't realise what they're doing

[Anonymous No.15633273]

>>15633256
also, not all chefs have control over hiring and firing and get stuck with useless cunts. sometimes the only way to get rid of a turd in the kitchen is to bully the cunt off them until they fuck off

[Anonymous No.15633277]

>>15632576
No it did not, artists prosper best atop the haystack, as Bosch drew centuries ago. Keep telling yourself that you're a better person because you suffered, though.

[Anonymous No.15633278]

ITT: People who have never worked in a kitchen calling a professional chef a soiboi for speaking up against ridiculously abusive work environments

[Anonymous No.15633281]

>>15633230
>>15633241

got some very easily triggered snowflakes on /seekay/ tonight

[Anonymous No.15633292]

>>15633277
which painting do you refer to?

[Anonymous No.15633294]

>>15633273
It’s his kitchen. He has control. If you can tell at someone like that, you have the authority to fire them. Instead he gets extremely emotional cause he’s seeing his own inability to spot talent reflected back at him.

[Anonymous No.15633296]

>>15630397
I see Kenji's stupid fucking round face and dumb hair in my youtube recommendations and I instantly cringe.. but his recipes are great.

[Anonymous No.15633297]

>>15633268
Sounds like he’s too emotional and whiny for the job. In normal circumstances if he wasn’t the owner himself as you’ve implied, he’d be fired/removed by the owner. In this case I guess his infantile-emotional capacity looks good on cameras, so he’s kept on board. Hardly the mark of a great chef tho.

[Anonymous No.15633301]

>>15630409
This. It’s abuse, plain and simple. I like Gordon, but who knows how much mental pain and anguish he caused his staff. Totally unnecessary and was straight up bullying.

[Anonymous No.15633324]

>>15633292
The Haywain Triptych

What non-artists and non-professional do not understand is that while high-pressure situations develop innovative skillsets to produce and perform in high stress, that is not the context for the best work. At a scientific level, humans produce best when they are challenged without fear or anxiety. Bosch knew this way back then, and simply acknowledged that true art is made by people free enough to imagine all day, unobstructed by demands. Someone here might be upset to read that and call it "laziness," but the cold, hard, stratified fact is that abuse does nothing positive for you, but teach you how to perform while handling abuse.

[Anonymous No.15633334]

>>15633301
>t. never worked in a kitchen and also thin skinned crybaby
its usually just loud banter. chef would yell and abuse the fuck out of me and after service over drinks, I would give it right back to him

[Anonymous No.15633342]

>>15633324
4chan never ceases to surprise me when I least expect it. thank you for that insight anon

[Anonymous No.15633359]

>>15633334
I'm this anon >>15633324 and while I agree banter between guys is a great way to reduce stress, Ramsay is neither bantering nor coaching, he's just being a cunt who is your boss.

Let's take this into a different field; I've worked in first response. People fuck up trying to resuscitate crackheads, and can get chewed out, but it doesn't look like this. I'd argue first responders, cops and firemen, are just as violent prone and fucked up as your standard culinary staff, but they know this isn't how you teach someone to do better.

It's good for entertainment, like I love Kitchen Nightmares, but this isn't how you challenge subordinates.

>>15633342
Thanks bud, just stopped by while saving images from the food gore thread. I hope everyone in this thread looks at some Bosch, reads Tristram Shandy, and watches Space Dandy. Stay safe

[Anonymous No.15633376]

>>15633359
to be fair, if a staff member is given every opportunity to perform on top of the haystack as you put it, and fails to perform, then heckling and abuse is the last resort to get the job done. speaking from experience as a team leader for most of my working life

[Anonymous No.15633400]

>>15633376
>last resort

You fire them, anon. Heckling has no positive affect on learning, and only teaches a person to perform under pressure at the same (more often worse) than their previous skillset.

If you have a good rapport with your team and take them for drinks after, debrief in a setting where your actions aren't purely associated with derision and anxiety, then chewing out is somewhat viable for long term growth. In the fields where mistakes matter, however, you do not abuse, ever. I would never abuse a surgeon for an error, knowing they will have that heckling in their kind the next time they perform.

[Anonymous No.15633426]

>>15633400
your point has merit but in fairness again, screening requirements for staff candidates for surgical procedures are extremely high. turds don't slip through the cracks in hospitals and end up doing surgery. unlike in my kitchen, where the owner sends me a double digit iq staff member because the budget is tight and says make it work

[Anonymous No.15633440]

>>15633376
It might speed up a lazy worker but line cooks in fine dining are doing their best and it's a rare type of person who work faster while being harangued by the chef and in my experience it feels much worse to be chewed out by someone you look up to compared to your average manager

[Anonymous No.15633451]

>>15633201
>He isn’t known for his stars or his restaurants.
whut?

[Anonymous No.15633454]

>>15633426
I get you, I really do. That's why i brought up police and firemen, who while heroes in their own right, are also violent apes (gay apes too if firemen). It might feel good and you might feel like a dad from a really entertaining Jewish movie or book when you watch them improve, but no one grows longterm through this feeling.

I'd say I understand if all you need is to get the uber delivery man his meal ready, but Gordon isn't brought in to McDonalds and we've lived through an e. Coli outbreak at Chipotle because the staff are reminded no one gives a shit about them. I really get where you're coming from, and maybe your job just can't be anything serious like that, but when discussing how we approach titans like Gordon, it helps to say "he's so fucking talented, imagine how much better he could be if he had passion for the work without his father's shadow."

[Anonymous No.15633460]

>>15633440
>speed up a lazy worker
my point in a nutshell. gordon hams it up for the camera big time, but at the end of the day, kicking a lazy ass in the kitchen either results in inexperienced staff improving, or realising their job is not suitable for them. from my experience, post ass kicking a staff member either improves and climbs to the top of the stack very quickly, or fades away

[Anonymous No.15633474]

>>15632541
"Egg soup? No thanks Gordon." -Brad Leone

[Anonymous No.15633493]

>>15632478
Shut the fuck up pussy faggot I'll pound your asshole until you love me.

[Anonymous No.15633601]

Abuse is when you're working in a dead end job that you really just joined out of desperation, just to find that the boss is an asshole that will cling to whatever modicum of power he has by bullying you.

Joining prestigious chefs that have a perfectly well known reputations of being utter cunts, knowing that it's their way of getting their kitchen to function and that said way is not hidden but fully disclosed and displayed and that it really just is their way of coaching you to the top is not abuse. It is an implicit agreement that you will take his shit and do something constructive with it.

Not only that, but you agree, the both of you, that you're not just doing a job and getting paid for it, but you're upholding a reputation - yours, your chef's, and your restaurant. This isn't fucking McDonald's where the entire point of your job is to just be a cog in a 9 to 5 shift and get paid at the end of the month no matter what.

Insults are a way to make you feel accountable to what you're doing. There's a name behind that restaurant, people expect to be fed and treated in a special way, and you SHOULD feel like shit if you're not up to standards because you're not playing ball anymore. Insults and banter are a good reminder, because they pique your ego and remind you of why you're here and who you're letting down. If you can't take it, you're free to leave. You didn't come here out of necessity to get paid doing a job, you joined an artist so some of his talent may rub off on you.

It's like going in the fucking army voluntarily, and then get aggravated because a drill sergeant is giving you the tongue lashing of a lifetime. Nobody told you to fucking join. He shouldn't even give you that tongue lashing. But he's doing it because he ASSUMES that you came here because you WANTED to, and that is a stark reminder of that.

[Anonymous No.15633611]

>>15630779
>hire druggies and drive away entry level scholar trained staff
>wonder why everything turns to shit

[Anonymous No.15633613]

>>15633601
>Insults are a way to make you feel accountable to what you're doing
This is your brain on abuse. Seek help.

[Anonymous No.15633617]

>>15632541
does he put it under a broiler to finish cooking later? or perhaps it was "how to give you customers food poisoning" episode.

[Anonymous No.15633633]

>>15633601
grilling my steak properly isn't artistry, fag. anyone can do it. I don't give a shit about kitchen bitches getting bullied, I want my god damned steak and it better fucking be good. if a kitchen ant has to suffer for it, all the better

[Anonymous No.15633635]

>>15633617
Raw eggs aren't that dangerous.

[Anonymous No.15633650]

>>15633613
Is BDSM abuse ?

Consensual contracts where it is obvious that insults and whatnot not only comes with the territory, but comes at a benefit for you (you're learning with the best), is far from being abuse. It's an agreement based on trust.

[Anonymous No.15633655]

>>15630397
if this kenji fag has ever worked food hed have seen worse. i saw worse in fucking fast food. its a mans world, your gonna be treated like a grown ass man not a little china doll

[Anonymous No.15633656]

>>15633633
If you want to learn how to properly grill a steak, there is litterally no reason to waste time working with any michelin starred chef.

And if you want a good steak, you go to a place that makes good steak. Not a 3 star restaurant. Your reasoning is retarded.

[Anonymous No.15633671]

>>15631549
i do
t. almost regular person

[Anonymous No.15633829]

>>15632298
>Hayao Miyazaki
He makes kids anime movies for westerners who think they like anime.

[Anonymous No.15633839]

>>15630631
his businesses are failing (even before pandemic) and he's a washed up TV-Star.

[Anonymous No.15633845]

>>15632482
>fucking keyboard warrior by day arguing about stressfull environments
you are an idiot

[Anonymous No.15633857]

>>15630463
passion and passion alone. If you don't got it, just look for something better. If, after a 14h shift, with a few single digit breaks in it, you still wanna cook - then you are right for the job.

Should it be this way? nope

[Anonymous No.15633860]

>>15632118
>TV is not reality.
save your breath. these idorts don't get it.

[Anonymous No.15633864]

>>15633613
>t. limpwristed degenerate with a weak or absent father
Suck my dick you little retard.

[Anonymous No.15633873]

>>15630397
Twitter drama is not food or cooking.

[Anonymous No.15634000]

>>15632576
This line of thinking is how we end up with heaps of shit which miss the point of how people attain greatness like that movie Whiplash.

[Anonymous No.15634005]

I completely respect Kenji as a cook and teacher. I have nearly no respect for Gordon and his bullshit. Never had any respect for chefs who would talk to staff like that. Breaking morale like that just slows down everything further. It affects the whole kitchen. A good leader saves the ass raping for AFTER service. If you're in the middle of a gunfight, you don't walk around batting the troops in the head while they are returning fire.
Kenji is an amazing cook with a wealth of information in his head and a great way of thinking about what he is cooking. He should stick to that instead of virtue signaling in social media about a happenstance from fucking 20 years ago. What an absolute cunt. Serious eats is removed from my ad whitelist. That's about all I can do.
It's different here where we're all anonymous, but voicing your opinions like that like you're some sort of super hero is the bane of social media rn. It's fucked up because now I hate someone I truly admired because of their stupid cunt thoughts that maybe would have been better kept in their small circle of friends instead of broadcast to THE WHOLE WORLD! LOOK AT ME!!! I AM HOLIER THAN THOUGH BY CONDEMNING!

[Anonymous No.15634065]

>>15630487
>This sort of behavior created the greatest chefs we've ever seen.
LOL no it hasn't. It's a fucking TV show. Any actual chef who behaved like that would have nobody with real talent working for them.

[Anonymous No.15634085]

>>15630484
this
cancel culture is just self-promotion for losers

[Anonymous No.15634092]

>>15631488
>man
that's no man

[Anonymous No.15634366]

All the pro Kenji arguments are awfully like the seethings of one Fagusea. Dude, I like your channel but get a fucking life.
I'm an electrical engineer and everyone's an ass. When you work in high stress environments that people pay lots for or are potentially life costing, your shitty as feelings don't matter.
Have a beer or two later and chill out.
If you can't handle it get out, maybe you really can't hold stress, but no one's forcing this guy to work there, that's the beauty of the free market.

[Anonymous No.15634412]

>>15630397
Gordon Ramsay has always been a hack. All British chefs are. Jamie "no stars" Oliver, Marco Pierre "knorr stock pot" White, Heston "food infection" Blumenthal etc

Fuck British chefs to be honest. Go back to eating fried mars bars and similar subhuman chav food and leave gastronomy to actual people with an actual culinary culture.

[Anonymous No.15634492]

>>15630409
>>15630397
I'm 90% sure that's every restaurant I worked during rush hour, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen

[Anonymous No.15634505]

>>15630487
American hands typed this. Why is it always Americans that defend abusive tough guy bullshit like that? Every single fucking time.

[Anonymous No.15634536]

>>15630779
>Michelin starred restaurant
>hires junkies and tattooed convicts
Yeah, sure. Cool story bro.

[Anonymous No.15634537]

>>15634505
Because we aren't pussies like you.

[Anonymous No.15634551]

hello kenji
i know you have a new book coming out but tone down the shilling please mate

[Anonymous No.15634557]

>>15630397
No idea who this bloke is nor do I care

[Anonymous No.15634563]

>>15631498
>guys, gals and non-binary pals

i am vomit

[Anonymous No.15634585]

>>15632541
What the fuck did i just watch?

[Anonymous No.15634587]

>>15631731
you turned out fine because you suffered, not in spite of it

[Anonymous No.15634595]

>>15630487
>No one forced these cunts to work
You have to work or you die

[Anonymous No.15634621]

>>15633451
He's right you idiot. Nobody could name a single of Ramsays restaurants nor a single of his dishes. 99.9% of people who know Ramsey, know him for his TV shows.

And in actual culinary hotspots like France, Italy etc nobody has ever cared for the guy in the first place.

[Anonymous No.15634648]

>>15630397
better make a thread on a low-traffic board of a chinese cartoon enthusiast website about it then. jesus christ, obtain a life and stop posting about youtube celebs

[Anonymous No.15634649]

>>15632615
Except he got fired for not being able to staff the place properly and for starting shit on Facebook. Btw, I wasn’t the guy who left.

[Anonymous No.15634919]

>>15632233
Yea im thinking based

[Anonymous No.15634927]

>>15630409
This post is correct and only sheltered edgelords who have never worked a shit job will disagree.

[Anonymous No.15634931]

>>15634919
Yea im thinking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15634943]

>>15631647
Guarantee this person has never been in a fight in his adult life and watches anime.

[Anonymous No.15634999]

>>15634943
Its just the usual tough guy larp from Americans. Only in America do you have things like the boogaloo boys etc. Tough guy larping is literally a national sport in 56%land.

[Anonymous No.15635075]

>>15634537
Taking abuse from another man when you could get another job is textbook pussy behaviour .

[Anonymous No.15635167]

>>15633601
This assumes abuse increases competence. In the Imperial Japanese forces getting punched in the face was basically your commanders way of saying "go on, get out there sport". Life was hell and you got the shit kicked out of you for minor infractions.

Despite this the Japanese, especially the IJA land forces, were not individually more skilled combatants throughout the war than numerous countries where that kind of retarded culture was not present.

[Anonymous No.15635174]

>>15630397
did this kenji lopez work in an actual kitchen for more than a week?

[Anonymous No.15635254]

>britcucks

[Anonymous No.15635445]

>>15632118
>He's famous for being a TV personality not a chef

He has more Michelin Stars than Emmys retard.

[Anonymous No.15635483]

>>15635445
So people on the street know him because of his stars? Really?

[Anonymous No.15635555]

>>15635445
He's right though, most people you ask would say yeah seen him on kitchen nightmares or something

[Anonymous No.15636321]

>>15634595
So get a job somewhere else

[Anonymous No.15636332]

>>15633277
Name one world renowned artist who didn't suffer

[Anonymous No.15636493]

>>15631676
post, need to see

[Anonymous No.15636563]

>>15630397
>>15630521
>the navy seals
Absolute bullshit. "Slow is fast fast is smooth."

[Anonymous No.15636596]

>>15631718
It is not, because if you for a minute wondered why he'd be calling people communists and looked it up, you'd know that he was actually saying "commis", which is like a kitchen assistant/not-real-chef job.
Kenji being retarded doesn't mean you have to also, anon.

[Anonymous No.15636612]

>>15630551
>peak slave mentality
Holy fucking shit anon, it is LITERALLY the exact opposite. Kenji, and his insistence that all must conform to his demands for insipid niceness, even at the cost of quality, is what slave mentality ACTUALLY is.
To the contrary, Ramsay's insistence on the standard and quality he sees as ideal, at the cost of all else including his staff's mental health and physical well-being, is literally the definition of master mentality. Have you ever even skimmed the fucking wikipedia page for this, or are you just sitting there spouting off whatever you feel like because your favorite youtuber said that word and you want to feel edjamacated like them?
Jesus Christ.

[Anonymous No.15636614]

>>15635174
You know he has a restaurant, right?

[Anonymous No.15636634]

>>15630397
This is reasone #38764829642468723 why I don't support restaurants or any strangers cooking. This is fucking unacceptable. I want my food made with love, not fear.

[Anonymous No.15636705]

>>15636563
they dont actually say this. it was misattributed.

[Anonymous No.15636734]

>>15630529
There are plenty of other kitchen jobs cooks can get. Hell you could probably go get a job at Mcdonalds and make nearly as much as a michelin star kitchen. It's their choice, fuck Kenji. Virtue signaling like everyone else who is a liberal faggot.

[Anonymous No.15636807]

>>15636612
You've never read Nietzsche. Slave morality is about accepting your place and turning the other cheek. Accepting your abuse because "chef knows what he's doing" or you need the opportunity is slave morality.

[Anonymous No.15636840]

Restaurants live on reputation and reviews, even moreso incredibly expensive restaurants were you are spending over $100 a head.

That’s why Gordon has 0 tolerance and demands perfection, because at the end of the day the customer is who is paying the bill. It’s not like it’s fast food we’re some kid can fuck up a Taco Bell order and you can just wave it off

[Anonymous No.15636852]

>>15632118
>Ramsay was appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) by Queen Elizabeth II in the 2006 New Year Honours list for services to the hospitality industry
> In July 2006, he won the Catey award for "Independent Restaurateur of the Year", becoming only the third person to have won three Catey awards
>Marco Pierre White hired him as head chef of Aubergine and went on to win its first Michelin star fourteen months later
>1998, Ramsay opened his own restaurant in Chelsea, Restaurant Gordon Ramsay. The restaurant gained its third Michelin star in 2001, making Ramsay the first Scot to achieve that feat.
>November 2007, Ramsay installed 29-year-old Clare Smyth as head chef at his three-Michelin-starred flagship restaurant on Royal Hospital Road. Smyth is the second high-profile appointment of a female chef by Ramsay, after Angela Hartnett.
>Smyth opened her first restaurant, Core, in London. It was awarded three Michelin stars in the 2021 Michelin Guide, which made her the first Irish woman to have a restaurant awarded three Michelin stars
>Marcus Wareing joined Gordon Ramsay's Aubergine when it opened in 1993, where he became Sous Chef behind Head Chef Ramsay and would go on to work with him over the course of the following 15 years, which led to Wareing being called Ramsay's protégé. While he was at Aubergine in 1995, Wareing was awarded the title of Young Chef of the Year by the Restaurant Association.
>Wareing would later credit Ramsay with teaching him to cook, describing it as "the most important time in my life".
>Ramsay was the best man at his wedding in 2000, and is godfather to Wareing's eldest son Jake.

Ramsay is a legend in the restaurant world. He never needed television

[Anonymous No.15636877]

>>15636807
See, I know that you ACTUALLY have not read Nietzsche because while that is what slave morality might sound like to someone who has not read his explanations, the actual thing he describes is quite different.

Nietzsche's "Slave" is not a meek servant, as the word might fool you into believing. He is a subversive manipulator, who achieves his aims not by force of will and character (as one of Nietzsche's "Masters" does), but by means of trickery, seduction, and other manipulations. The goal of Nietzsche's "Slave" is not to serve the "Masters", but to bring them down and make "Slaves" of them as well. Slave morality lies in opposition to, not in service of, master morality.

Slave morality per Nietzsche is a rejection of master morality's ideals of utility and strength, and exists to subvert master morality. Not to comply with it. People with slave morality do not seek to meekly obey the "Master" as you put it, but instead to drag the "Masters" down so that all are "Slaves". Kenji's "we should all be nice to each other, Ramsay's standard of perfection is no reason to be mean" is literally as close to a textbook example of slave morality as you can get. He cares not a whit for the quality of the product, nor about Ramsay's reasoning for shouting at his staff. Only about making sure Ramsay, and all potential aspiring chefs, are brought to the same mindset as him. This quality of subversion, of influence by coercion, by appeal to "humanity" and "kindness" is a defining quality of slave morality. See how he uses the word "please" in his sentences denigrating the man's character.

It's fucking revolting.

[Anonymous No.15636933]

Wow look at theae faggots going on about slaves, bet you feel good about reading some guys book

[Anonymous No.15636935]

>>15636877
Let's back up, because you're shifting the goalposts.
>>15630551
>"He's being a cunt to others, but helps build character!" is peak slave mentality.
This is what I'm agreeing with. If you think it's ok for your boss to berate and assault you because they're some unflappable master, you are a gigantic cuck.

[Anonymous No.15636948]

>>15636933
imagine reading a book instead of just fucking up grilled cheese like my pal gordon
>>>/lit/

[Anonymous No.15636960]

>>15631906
>he doesn't know
https://youtu.be/8E4cQHejFq0

[Anonymous No.15636973]

>>15636948
Oi, get back to /biz/ you those charts wont watch themselves

[Anonymous No.15636979]

>>15636973
>another noicoiner mad
LOL
enjoy your sloppa, boomer. I'll be eating my gold leaf wrapped anime meat.

[Anonymous No.15636984]

>>15636935
I'm not moving any goalposts my guy. You can't use the phrase slave mentality/morality without people quoting Nietzsche because it now refers to a specific philosophical idea of his, and not just "the mentality a slave might have".

That said, again, you're still fucking wrong, the abuse isn't to help build character, it's to wake up idiots who are not working carefully enough, and to express his anger that they don't give enough of a shit in a very high pressure, high standards environment. Gordon Ramsay wants (well, wanted, at the time this video was made) to make the best fucking food, and idiots not paying attention or doing as they're told fuck that up, and he gets mad.

>>15636933
learn to read

>>15636948
back to cage

[Anonymous No.15636985]

>>15636877
If this is an accurate account of what Nietzche believed he was fucking dumb.

This is interchangeable with a standard instagram/facebook worldview that divides everyone into either hustlers or haters, and the haters always try to tear the hustlers down for no reason, with absolutely no intellectual honesty, sincerity, or values of their own. .

[Anonymous No.15636988]

>>15631718
commis not commies, you fucking knob

[Anonymous No.15636998]

>>15636985
I'm not saying I agree 100% with his points, just trying to outline them for the other dude who is very wrong about what they were.

[Anonymous No.15637000]

>>15636985
lmao, neechee was just a mad incel who wanted to fuck his sister. Guy was and idiot. For me, it's foucalt, the best mcphilosophy thinker

[Anonymous No.15637022]

>>15636979
>eating gold
But why? And I'm no mad nocoiner, I just prefer putting a little bit of money into cheap stocks, I dont know alot about crypto, seems to be a few rugpulls
>>15636984
I can read perfectly fine fren, enjoy your meme books

[Anonymous No.15637046]

>>15636984
Berating people doesn't actually improve their performance. Any decent manager or anyone in a leadership position will tell you this. The fits of apoplectic rage that Ramsay indulges in benefit no one except Ramsay himself. Do you honestly think this sort of thing happens in other industries? Try to imagine a senior scientist berating a chemist working under them like Ramsay does.

[Anonymous No.15637047]

>>15637000
Only because he had AIDS like you.

[Anonymous No.15637076]

>>15630521
You're not wrong, but if you think that the yuppies manipulating the stock market are in a "high-pressure environment" when they literally dictate the flow of the trades, you're fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.15637085]

>>15637022
>one of the most important philosophers in the western canon
>meme
You're right, of course, but you don't even know why.

>>15637046
This is a terrible counterexample. Scientists work under nearly no pressure at all, due to the inherent slow, careful rigor of the process both in academia and commercial science. Even the people developing the covid vaccines work under brutally slow conditions.
And also, I partially agree with you that the yelling is not likely to be a highly effective management tactic. But he's under a level of pressure most other managers aren't under, in a situation where he's facing 45 harsh critics per night, of which some random assortment may be actual judges with the power to ruin him or elevate him to untouchable heights based on minute details. As a manager, I sometimes lose my cool and get very terse with people who fuck up hard (usually when the fuck up is due to inattention or laziness, not just a mistake), and in his situation I imagine it would happen much more often.

>>15637076
get back to work, you have thousands and thousands of dollars to repay to those bankers you got loans from for your "foolproof" GME play. We'll let you know when the squeeze happens!

[Anonymous No.15637093]

>>15630521
You don't see surgeons screaming and calling each other cunts and dickheads in the operating room, where one mistake can mean the difference between life and death. Face it, it's purely power trip for insecure chefs.

[Anonymous No.15637102]

>>15633301
>but who knows how much mental pain and anguish he caused his staff.

[Anonymous No.15637120]

>>15637085
>Scientists work under nearly no pressure at all
Publish or perish.

[Anonymous No.15637124]

>>15637085
>implying
>missing the point
>being wrong about multiple professions
You can't be older than 15

[Anonymous No.15637140]

>>15636852
This is what angloids believe.

[Anonymous No.15637167]

>>15637120
>>15637124
You mean to tell me you believe that scientists are under the same type of time pressure that a chef is under? The pressure a scientist is under is in the order of months or years, not minutes and seconds. The effects on a person's behavior are miles apart for obvious reasons.

Also I literally manage a surgical facility, and surgeons shout at each other, the surgical techs, the anesthesiologists, the nurses, and anyone and everyone else they see in an operating room if fuckups are happening which can affect patient outcome. And we do try to stop it and calm them down but at the end of the day if you don't have the right sized fucking cautery tip and the patient is bleeding, you're probably going to start screaming that someone needs to get it to you.

[Anonymous No.15637188]

>>15637167
>Also I literally manage a surgical facility

[Anonymous No.15637191]

>>15636877
/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.15637219]

>>15637167
>Also I literally manage a surgical facility
At the age of 15?

I'm literally a neuroscientist -- we harvest brains, hearts, and spines from mouse embryos in-utero. Fucking up a procedure can cost you absolutely hilarious amounts of money. But yeah, it's totally stress-free.
You fucking bagel.

[Anonymous No.15637225]

>>15637085
>You're right, of course, but you don't even know why.
I'm not going to lie, I don't know why but here's my stab at it. With the rise of racism and muh slaves and minorities people decide to make opinions. Other who read the book start quoting his book or making opinions based on his book. You keep it up for awhile and you get people who think they know everything because some philosopher from fuck knows what time said some stuff and they sound intelligent to people on social media. Next up it hits reddit, bringing even more people to read it and quote it and try to sound intelligent and get their upvotes. I didn't read ot, but with time society and such changes, meaning something he said could be made moot. How's that, am I in the ballpark intellectual?

[Anonymous No.15637226]

>>15637167
Total bullshit.

[Anonymous No.15637236]

>>15637188
not him but if you've ever worked in a high pressure medical facility you would know that managing the egos of many doctors is nearly impossible without some stern, sometimes emotional language. Our system of selecting people who deserve to become physicians is kind of shit at weeding out egocentric (yet capable) individuals, and they don't exactly play well with each other sometimes.

>>15637219
money is not the same as human lives, and you know this. That said, scientists are usually more chill than medical doctors for the reasons listed above. Collaboration is a huge part of getting a PHD, not as much for an MD.

[Anonymous No.15637248]

>>15637188
Muh surgical facility needs to become a meme.

>>15637226
I wonder if he realizes that when people die, surgeons lose their reputation if not their job and are lucky to not get sued into oblivion. I also wonder wether he realizes that some operations can take really, really long.

[Anonymous No.15637252]

>>15637219
>tfw someone doesn't balance the centrifuge and it starts knocking

[Anonymous No.15637260]

>>15637252
even fucking microbiology students know to do this. What kind of professional lab monkey can't balance their whirlygigs.

[Anonymous No.15637268]

>>15637236
Not him but my brother is unironically a surgeon and he never told me stuff like that. That said, we are not American. Probably just has something to do with Americans and their typical foulmouthed, asshole-like behavior.

[Anonymous No.15637275]

>>15630397
I can't say whether or not this guy is right, but it's pretty obvious he's trying to leech off of Ramsey's popularity to boost his own. Like that woman who went to the NY Times about Louie CK jerking off in front of her. She wasn't wrong, but she was clearly trying to put herself in the limelight, like this guy with Gordon.

[Anonymous No.15637284]

>>15637268
getting into med school in the US is extremely competitive and if you want to do it straight out of university, you're required to be extremely competent straight at the age of 18. It's incredible how much they demand out of people, and how much debt they leave med school in. (between $400k and $600k last time I checked)

And yes, Americans are also more openly emotional than euros. Whether they're assholes about it varies on the individual. At the very least you know who's a dick or not.

[Anonymous No.15637306]

>>15637219
Yeah, I do it after school. It's pretty great because it turns out you were right and medicine is a really low stress environment.
Also, sure, there are types of science that have more second to second pressure, I was wrong, and you make a solid point that I hadn't considered. I think >>15637236 makes a good point though that medicine tends to draw in the Gordon Ramsay tier egomaniacs, who would be prone to shouting.

>>15637188
>>15637191
>>15637226
This is operating room 3, its where we do some of our more advanced cases. Though unfortunately I don't think any of our docs are good enough to fix whatever's wrong with all of you.

[Anonymous No.15637311]

>>15636614
Having a restaurant =/= working in a kitchen

[Anonymous No.15637318]

>>15630397
>actually, being abused by your boss is based
retard moment

[Anonymous No.15637332]

>>15637306
This proves nothing. You could be a janitor for all we know.

[Anonymous No.15637347]

>>15630409
>has never had an intense mentor
that's why you're complacent in mediocrity, psychological and physical torment is what transforms us, it's only in the past century that we've become so stringent on being comfortable. Some people can't cope with it and that's fine, but you can't be bitching when you decide to work for Gordon knowing he's a tyrannical boss. The same water that softens the root will harden the egg.

[Anonymous No.15637350]

>>15637332
Lmao.
>poster is going on about Nietzsche
>has anecdotal experience of managing a practice, down to minor details
>posts an OR for broofs

Yeah, seems like a larping janitor to me. What is this, goodwill hunting?

[Anonymous No.15637356]

>>15637350
Anyone can read Nietzsche, it's not that hard. And you have not provided us minor details about managing a practice. Quit samefagging.

[Anonymous No.15637376]

>>15637356
ok

[Anonymous No.15637383]

>>15637376
Is this supposed to be proof?

[Anonymous No.15637389]

>>15637383
sorry I don't have a signed crypto token for you anon, but I wouldn't go through the effort of CSS editing just for a shitty internet argument about philosophers on fucking /ck/.

[Anonymous No.15637397]

I'm still waiting on an answer to this
>>15637225
>>15637332
>You could be a janitor for all we know.

[Anonymous No.15637401]

>>15630409
>being this weak
Lmao shut that mouth faggot.

[Anonymous No.15637408]

>>15637389
Nigger, you could have more than one device. The fact that you're going so out of your way to defend this dumbass who got btfo'd makes it pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.15637423]

>>15637332
Oh well let me just get you my CV, home address, and social security number! Maybe a picture of me doing some paperwork? Fucking lol. Here's a picture of our narcotics cabinet. If you think the janitor gets keys to it, then you should consider a job as one so you can kill yourself with fent like your father and his father before him.

>>15637356
That guy wasn't me, just a fellow nonretard.
What minor details would you like to know about? Staffing? State reporting guidelines? What kind of EHR we use? It's a pretty boring fucking admin job, the only thing relevant here is that I interact with the docs and the people they scream at so I know.

[Anonymous No.15637433]

>>15637350
>reading Nietzsche proves I'm a surgeon
lmao

[Anonymous No.15637435]

>>15637423
>Fentanyl

[Anonymous No.15637463]

>>15637423
can i use some of that in my stir fry

[Anonymous No.15637476]

>>15637435
Only the finest, most ruralcel-killing stuff that yuan can buy.

>>15637463
yes if you film it

>>15637397
I await your next goalpost-move, my friend. We are all in suspense. Please, enliven the thread with another of your brilliant posts.

[Anonymous No.15637483]

>>15637423
Still not proof. Literal high school dropouts can be CRMAs.

[Anonymous No.15637492]

>>15637476
>I await your next goalpost-move, my friend. We are all in suspense. Please, enliven the thread with another of your brilliant posts.
No I'm waiting on you to tell me whether my assumption was correct or not. I told you I didn't know, and you sounded like you knew why it was a meme. I'm still waiting on that answer

[Anonymous No.15637495]

Anyone who acted like Ramsay in the OR would be sent home within minutes.

[Anonymous No.15637522]

>>15637483
So which is it, am I a janitor at a facility which would have an operating room, or am I a CRMA who works in a nursing home? Because there's no reason for a CRMA to work in or near an OR. Nursing homes and hospitals are different facilities. I'm interested in what *would* constitute proof that I could even reasonably post on here. Original insurance checks? You'd say they were already cashed and thrown away. Staff files? Too much information to redact, you'd say it was just a folder of papers, or that a janitor could get his hands on them. Anything to do with patients and that's a potential HIPAA violation so not even worth considering. I think there's nothing that would satisfy you, friend. I think you're just lonely and wanted to talk to me <3.

>>15637492
Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were proofs guy. My mistake.
To be honest, my comment itself about you being right was actually just a joke. I genuinely didn't mean anything by it. But, honestly, your interpretation rings true. Through people skimming the work and regurtitating bad cliffsnotes of it (something I'm guilty of myself in this thread), pseuds on places like reddit absorb quippy, easily digestible soundbites of it and then regurgitate them poorly to support whatever flavor of the month ideology they want to sound smart about. Quoting him, or any philosopher, becomes useless because so many people have read the books or these cliffsnotes with their ideology already in mind.

[Anonymous No.15637532]

>>15637522
I used CRMA as an example demonstrating that access to a medicine cabinet is not proof of your position as manager. Honestly, I don't really care if you are a manager. If you're simping for Ramsay and defending his managerial style, you're an absolute cuck.

[Anonymous No.15637544]

>>15637532
Ah, I knew it! There is no answer! You just wanted someone to talk to. That's ok, lonely tsundere anon. We can chat even now that I know about your secret.

Also I'm not simping for him, but I have mentioned several times that it's less of a management style and more of an in the moment shock to the system, designed to put underperformers into gear short term. Is it healthy, or even a good idea? No, but the man is a great success so obviously it's not patently useless.

[Anonymous No.15637554]

>>15630521
>from the navy seals
ive listened to a few jocko podcasts and im 100% certain he'd shit all over gordons leadership style lol

[Anonymous No.15637564]

>>15637544
>No, but the man is a great success so obviously it's not patently useless.
Correlation does not entail causation.

[Anonymous No.15637568]

>>15637544
>the way he manages his employees isn't really a management style (?)
>it's unhealthy and a bad idea, but he's successful so fuck it

[Anonymous No.15637583]

Test

[Anonymous No.15637586]

>>15637522
>Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were proofs guy. My mistake.
No problem, dont worry about it.
So you've proved my original point on the book being a meme and you being a fag, along with the other guy. All this arguing just doesn't seem to hold water now.
>>15637583
So that works but this didnt? Fuck you my post isn't spam you cunting piece of shit just post

[Anonymous No.15637697]

>>15637401
>being a masochist and idolizing brutish morons
Yeah you're a cuck

[Anonymous No.15637735]

>>15630688
The Food Lab: Better Home Cooking Through Science
The Food Lab: Better Home Cooking Through Science
The Food Lab: Better Home Cooking Through Science

[Anonymous No.15637977]

>ITT: hurting peoples feefees is bad
toughen up, pussies

[Anonymous No.15637989]

>>15637977
t. 300lbs toughguy

[Anonymous No.15638093]

>>15633281
keep crying, soyim

[Anonymous No.15638108]

>>15630521
t. underage b8 whose only exposure to high-pressure work environments is from hollywood

[Anonymous No.15638711]

>>15630397
In fairness, I think most people watch Gordon Ramsay because he's entertaining.
I doubt many people see him as being some kind of model chef.

[Anonymous No.15638849]

>>15638711
There are clearly a ton of talentless bottom-dwellers who have never been in a high-performance role and think that melting down over the slightest affront is the sign of a ~tortured artiste~ and/or grizzled badass. They're all over this thread.

[Anonymous No.15639148]

I like Kenji's cooking and applications of it but he's such a massive reddit soyboy.

[Anonymous No.15639365]

>>15633230
>>15633241
Yeah there is really nothing more telling than this
Either closet homo or willingly marrying a harpy

[Anonymous No.15639372]

>>15633617
>>15633159
>>15633474
its not raw, that's just scrambled eggs easy.
literally how nips eat it.

[Anonymous No.15639832]

>>15631549
Maybe these things are related

[Anonymous No.15639859]

>>15630530
cry moar trumpcuck

[Anonymous No.15639871]

>>15630603
typical sad bald fuck

[Anonymous No.15639881]

>>15631498
Are you making your truck payments on time, Cletus?

[Anonymous No.15639888]

>>15631662
>>15631662
you've never had a real job a day in your life

yes i do want fries with that, hurry the fuck up

[Anonymous No.15639898]

>>15632233
Find rope, an hero

you sad fuck

[Anonymous No.15639929]

>>15632897
>
im sorry your stepfather raped you and made your ugly ass feel a glimpse of desirability

>its not fair

[Anonymous No.15640066]

>>15637697
It's called having a spine, perpetual faggot.

[Anonymous No.15640340]

Can't wait until a video of Gordon comes out where he is being a sexist, racist, homophobic pig and gets cancelled and he has to come out with a teary-eyed apology. Do you think he would do it? I imagine he has too much pride to apologize.

[Anonymous No.15640389]

>>15634537
Why did you defeat the nazis then?

[Anonymous No.15640452]

>guys gals non-binary pals
>Literally closed his last video with "wear a mask"
>Moaned that that Polak yt dork altered Trad recipies so they are only for 'single white men' while passive aggressively mentioning that he doesn't care when he does something non traditional in his own videos
Kenji is a dickhead. Check em.

[Anonymous No.15640460]

>>15640340
He didn't apologize for the grilled cheese he won't apologize for anything.

[Anonymous No.15640634]

>>15636563
He's referring to military combat culture in general, especially among the ground pounders (infantry, spec ops). You don't have time to baby someone, and they don't have to put up with your complaints about unfairness because that is in no way how life works, let alone combat. Those guys volunteered to be there, whether it's being a verbally abused boot fuck Marine to an exhausted line chef working his 38th weekend in a row with 16 hour days. Weaker specimens can find the door.

[Anonymous No.15640655]

>>15634536
Are you not familiar with the restaurant industry? Your Michelin star food is often made by a crafty Guatemalan or Ecuadorian dude, supplanted by the exact degenerates that anon described.

A lot of jobs hire people outside of what your predetermined expectations might be.

[Anonymous No.15640669]

>>15632528
>Drill sergeants train people to kill others.
Drill Instructors are there to instill discipline and breakdown your instinct to defy orders. Only the volunteers that are brave, dumb, curious, stupid, and or all of the above actually try out to be a grunt and learn the complex and surprisingly tedious craft of being an infantryman.

[Anonymous No.15641729]

>>15640452
>Moaned that that Polak yt dork altered Trad recipies so they are only for 'single white men' while passive aggressively mentioning that he doesn't care when he does something non traditional in his own videos
which video was this?