Coffee Time general /ctg/

[Anonymous No.15669979]

Sunday coffee edition
Previously >>15630975
Stagg kettle all the way!

[Anonymous No.15670093]

Still running through black cat in my GS3. Might make some lattes tomorrow morning or might do cortados.

[Anonymous No.15670100]

>>15669979
Or any goose-neck kettle.

[Anonymous No.15670535]

>>15669979
Am I right to feel like a patrician for getting a hard on for lever machines or is it needless pretentiousness for loving and owning an obsolete tech?

[Anonymous No.15670541]

>>15670535
It's needless pretentiousness for loving and owning an obsolete tech.

[Anonymous No.15670697]

1)How long can I keep coffee beans after roasting?
2)Is buying special coffee beans storage with degassing valve worth it?
3)White sugar or brown sugar?

[Anonymous No.15670927]

>>15670697
1) Some coffees taste great immediately after roasting, most coffees need 1-2 days of rest afterwards to taste ideal, some need 3 days. After figuring out the resting period of any particular coffee, the freshness clock starts counting. Within one week is usually the best, up to two weeks is ideal. Beyond two weeks it starts to go stale. There is no advantage in roasting that far ahead because you roasting your own coffee.

2) In a word: no. But you can. Coffee storage rules still apply to your own roasts. Cool/room temp, dry, as little exposure to air as possible, as little exposure to UV light as possible. You can have an ideal roasted coffee storage container by sticking it in a $0.05 ziploc freezer bag that you squeeze all of the air out and store in a cabinet. But it won't be a cool thing you can display on your countertop.

3) In my opinion, none. Milk or cream (if you must) has enough sweetness. However, do as you please. Brown sugar is more interesting, I guess.

[Anonymous No.15671012]

For me, its good old fashioned Country Style™, est. 1963, that i pick up from my local convenience store on the way to work every day.

[Anonymous No.15671025]

Any recommended coffee makers for an anon who travels in / out of hotels often?

[Anonymous No.15671027]

>>15670535
Feel however you want and enjoy what you have, just don't ever be a faggot and pretend you're better than people for using old technology. Superiority complexes are really annoying.

[Anonymous No.15671032]

>>15671012
What’s ur job

[Anonymous No.15671080]

>>15671032
I manage the maintenance department at an upper mid level hotel. We have free coffee here but it tastes like shit so I buy my own.

[Anonymous No.15671141]

>>15671080
Sounds comfy. Ever bang any guests?

[Anonymous No.15671154]

>>15670535
Lever fags, what do people around you think of your quirky looking lever machine that wont give them espresso with just a push of a button?

[Anonymous No.15671202]

>>15671154
Idk I just bought one because a good espresso machine doesn't fit in my kitchen... Both are good though and machines probably better for milk shiz

[Anonymous No.15671215]

>>15671141
Its pretty good here especially lately with covid, a lot of down time.
>Ever bang any guests?
No, I behave myself here, its a good job to have and I'm married now so I'm not interested in losing either. At the last hotel I worked at though I had relations with 2 front desk workers and a housekeeper. I also had two guys try to trade me their hooker for a cocaine hook up (I refused).

[Anonymous No.15671453]

I'm thinking about getting a moka pot. Is there ANY reason why aluminum would be purchased over a stainless steel version like the Venus? Aluminum is a better heat conductor than steel and while that has its benefits in cooking that seems negligible if I'm just boiling the water in the water tank.

[Anonymous No.15671530]

>>15671453
They're cheaper. Tbh you wouldn't be disappointed with either one.

[Anonymous No.15671545]

>>15671453

I still don't know how to make good cuppa' coffee with a moka pot. I read hours about different methods, tried everything, from the amount of coffee, to grinding my own fresh coffee (tried coarse and fine ground), different extracting speeds, nothing helped. Then one day, after having used one for a few months already, I stopped lying to myself and finally admitted that it tastes like SHIT. Are these things a meme pushed by wannabe Italians?

[Anonymous No.15671699]

>>15671453
the aluminum ones look better, also the chink made ones are very cheap (and in stock everywhere). unless you live alone and never have guests for coffee you will need more than one size.

[Anonymous No.15671906]

>>15669824
Even hoffman doesn't say you need a gooseneck
>be it a Moka Pot
You evidently don't even know how a moka pot works
>>15671453
There's probably no difference between the two, so the aluminum would be better. Besides aren't the bialettis only aluminum? Like the other guy side you shouldn't be getting a shitty chink one or something. The pot is doing all the work so you want a well-constructed one

[Anonymous No.15672190]

>>15671906
>Even hoffman doesn't say you need a gooseneck

I mean, if you look at any of his reviews on goosenecks, he says get a gooseneck or other highly flow restricted pourer. Fuck do you think a "pouring kettle" is?

[Anonymous No.15672248]

>>15670535
nah mate hand-lever and other manual espresso machines are the height of sophistication
automatic espresso machines are great for commercial settings, but for at-home use, nothing beats a hand-lever

[Anonymous No.15672254]

>>15671453
the only reason to get an aluminum one is that the Alessi moka pots, the best ones on the market, only come in aluminum. the problem with ones like the venus is that the upper chamber is designed so that it's impossible to fucking clean the lip around the spout

[Anonymous No.15672259]

>>15671906
bialetti makes some stainless steel mokas
the guy you replied to literally listed one: the Venus

[Anonymous No.15672339]

coffee makes me poop!

[Anonymous No.15672398]

So who is your go to roaster? I've been visiting my local roaster for a while now and hoping to branch out some.

http://mightyoakroasters.com/

[Anonymous No.15672489]

>>15672339
you must be very young if you think that is a bad side effect

[Anonymous No.15672500]

>>15672339
poopy poopy in my pants

[Anonymous No.15672539]

>>15672398
It's me. My coffee is rad. Everyone else's coffee sux, and here's why: I buy the coffees I like the best, and I roast them to the levels I like the most. Nobody else will ever do it exactly how I want it all of the time. Now if I ever do fuck it up, it is always 100% my fault, and I will own it. My fate is in my own hands.

[Anonymous No.15672585]

>>15672539
This is true freedom

[Anonymous No.15672629]

>>15672585
Well, coffee freedom. It's only a little step, but it feels good.

[Anonymous No.15672665]

>>15672539
How long have you practiced roasting? I don't know much about the process so would love to hear how you add you own personal touch to your roasts.

[Anonymous No.15672714]

Should I get a Hario V60 or a Bee House dripper? Also looking for grinder recommendations.
>>15672398
Vashon Island Coffee Roasterie. Their French roast is fantastic.

[Anonymous No.15672855]

>>15672665
I only started months ago. I was pissed off about not being able to buy any coffee when the boomer hordes bought fucking everything in all the stores. I can never go back now because I basically pay the same amount of money for much, much better coffee. The downside is that YOU have to roast it and figure out how to roast it. I've only roasted about 100 batches. I will probably get ridiculed by some fucking nerd. I find it fun though. There's lots of stuff online about it. If you're clever you won't have to buy an expensive machine.

You're basically looking, listening, and smelling as it goes along. First crack is like popcorn, then you make a sight call by color or by temperature as to when it's done. Every coffee roasts a little bit differently, depending on the region, processing method, and size. This makes sense when you think about it. Some kinds have a more rolling first crack, some all seem to go off at once. Color development seems to vary as well. You have to experiment a lot and be methodical to figure out what works the best (for your tastes). Second crack eventually happens. It is a much softer crackling sound. This is dark roast territory, and most good coffees do not taste better here.

I don't really know any special tricks other than developing a good eye for shades of brown.

[Anonymous No.15672968]

>>15672855
What are you roasting with? I have a behmor and it's aiight.

[Anonymous No.15672994]

>>15670535
Nah. Lever machines are cool and you can do things with pressure that it takes more expensive pump machines to attempt to replicate. They also take up very little space and are quite capable. They can't rock the volume of drinks that a pump machine can, but they're still good.

[Anonymous No.15672996]

>>15672968
A high-wattage heat gun mounted on a tripod, a big stainless pot, and a steel whisk. Full manual.

[Anonymous No.15673005]

>>15670697
1) Depends, sometimes when I roast the beans need to rest for a week otherwise they have a very woody flavor. It depends on your roast level and your beans.

2) I really like the airscape containers. I tried the fellows vacuum containers, but their vacuum doesn't hold for shit.

3) I prefer my coffee unadulterated, but you do you.

[Anonymous No.15673014]

>>15671025
Aeropress and a porlex. It's a classic travel combo.

[Anonymous No.15673023]

>>15671906
Hoffman is alright, but he skews way hard into making excuses for poor people because he's a bleeding heart. You don't _need_ a gooseneck, but they are easier to use and produce, in my experience, better results.

[Anonymous No.15673029]

>>15672996
Based af. I got the behmor a long time ago and it has paid for itself, but I wish I had space for a gas roaster.

[Anonymous No.15673379]

>>15673023
For pourover, sure I can see that. But with any other brewing method I can't see it being useful at all, especially for a moka pot which was the first thing that guy mentioned
>>15672259
Interesting. I'd also like to know if it comes out any different

[Anonymous No.15673424]

>>15673379
Yeah, won't matter for moka pot, I'll agree with that.

[Anonymous No.15673430]

>>15673379
i have many moka pots. my main moka pot is an aluminum one made by Alessi because, like i said earlier in the thread, theirs has the best shape and is the easiest to clean after use. my back-up is a stainless steel Venus by Bialetti.

they both make pretty similar cups, the only real difference being that the Venus' stainless steel heats up faster than the Alessi's aluminum. I prefer using the Alessi from a brewing experience perspective may more than the Venus, but that's because of the design rather than the material.

[Anonymous No.15673442]

>>15672398
Zen coffee roasters are my local roaster/coffee shop and I love their beans, so I usually just buy theirs.

[Anonymous No.15673467]

Reminder that good beans are more important than any expensive gear.

[Anonymous No.15674444]

Does anyone have the roaster larper copypasta? I need it for reasons

[Anonymous No.15674988]

>>15673467
>get good beans
>ruin them with grinder that produces irregular grinds
thanks

[Anonymous No.15675588]

>>15671545
You can’t just drink it black. You need milk and sugar it’s more espresso than coffee

[Anonymous No.15675894]

>>15670697
6, 12 months? There's a flavor simplification after a day, but they should still maintain above average? bottomline Nescafe? quality for a week or so.
Don't know, would have to look into that.
Honey.

[Anonymous No.15675925]

There is no way to make good coffee with a percolator.

[Anonymous No.15676426]

>>15675588
>you can't just drink it black

The fuck I can't.

[Anonymous No.15676479]

>>15671545
Start with hot water
Remove and pour before coffee reaches the base of the spout
Waiting too long makes it harshly bitter
Don't drink anything that brews after the first pour

[Anonymous No.15676498]

>>15675588
Even espresso is good straight but a little milk is always good to add texture and bring out some extra flavors

[Anonymous No.15676588]

>>15670535
Heard the group head has over heating issues. How many shots can you pull before it gets too hot. I got the Flair. Lever machines are good for the practical/price issue. Kind of fun too no?

[Anonymous No.15676909]

>>15672248
For commercial settings, you have to sell that hand-levered coffee is different and hence better to make up for slower production. Or just be the only shop working when a black-out happens. Haha.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOOY0uWwlAA
Personally I don't mind getting one because I like the aesthetic of it and my place loses power occasionally (not as bad as Texas though).

[Anonymous No.15676997]

>>15669979
Croissant goes with coffee

[Anonymous No.15677016]

>>15676997
It's pronounced "cwrahsson," pleb

[Anonymous No.15677040]

>>15677016
Turk, stop it, or we remove kebab

[Anonymous No.15677051]

>>15677040
BASED

[Anonymous No.15677080]

>>15674988
>Get a 300$ handgrinder
>Grind supermarket beans in them

[Anonymous No.15677318]

>>15672968
>>15672996
And here I am using my cast iron skillet, or my popcorn machine when I can be arsed to bring it out.

[Anonymous No.15677351]

after using a new moka pot, i realized my old one's pressure valve was not working, some day someone will tamp on it and/or use a espresso grind and goodbye kitchen.

[Anonymous No.15677439]

>>15675894
>>15673005
>>15670697
Many thanks, lads. I just recently switched from pre-ground to whole beans. I should have done that sooner.

[Anonymous No.15677502]

>>15677318
Heat gun works really well, especially clamped on the tripod so both hands are free. I stir with the steel whisk with one hand, can jiggle/toss the pot with the other to get really good bean circulation. Welding gloves help. You have multiple heat and air settings, and can move the pan closer or further from the gun as well. I like to start kind of far away at the beginning until I'm in the straw-yellow, then get closer right up to and during first crack. Some beans (with a narrow development window) seem to do better when I pull way back during first crack so I can sorta let them coast into where I want, others like it fast and hot. I've found that generally, half-pound batches work best for my setup. Any more and it takes too long. Any less and it doesn't seem to have the thermal mass to roast very evenly. Heat guns are pretty great anyway because you can use them for other projects.

[Anonymous No.15678669]

>>15675588
Lol what. I drink it black because I'm not a retard when I make it so it comes out good

[Anonymous No.15678885]

The virgin moka vs the Chad Syphon

Prove me wrong.

[Anonymous No.15679070]

Anybody else ever roasted a peaberry? I just roasted a Kenyan peaberry for the first time. Besides that it is a very easy roast and a lovely coffee, I was kind of surprised at how few pops I got in first crack. Other Kenyans I've roasted were quite loud and poppy. Is this a physical structure thing that pertains to the roundy shape of peaberries in general, or is it just this particular coffee?

[Anonymous No.15679272]

ok I asked earlier about pour-overs and I am considering getting a simple glass v60. what i want to know is, was the reason my coffee at home sucked my grinder, or the method? I currently use a shitty cuisinart grinder with pic related machine, would a good grind not effect much with this type of machine, and a controlled pour over is infinitely better?

[Anonymous No.15679356]

>>15679272
those drip machines have a heated plate bellow, that keeps the average temperature of the coffee in the drinkable range, however heat transfer doesn't work in averages, so you get a burnt coffee, not as bad old percolators or instant but garbage nontheless, if you remove the heated plate's power source, you can get a pour over of the quality of any other manual method if you don't have a gooseneck and autism.

[Anonymous No.15679369]

>>15679356
sounds like a bit of a pain, and yeah the plate doesn't have it's own power switch so I'd have to do that, I haven't tested the temperature of the water but could it also be possible it's too hot for the coffee? though I don't think I plan to buy a temperature control kettle.

[Anonymous No.15679396]

>>15679369
don't think so, the water doesn't boil in the container, most common issues with drip coffee machines are: water, grind size, the fucking plate and not washing the paper filters (if any).

[Anonymous No.15679410]

>>15679396
I use a new paper filter every time, I imagine the grind is a huge problem but there is a burnt flavor, guess i'll just get a v60 though, it's like $25 and probably faster than the coffee maker.

[Anonymous No.15679434]

>>15678885
I'd like to get one of those so I can pretend I'm in gochiusa

[Anonymous No.15679476]

>>15679410
could be bad/stale beans or may allah forgive me for typping this words, torrefacto'd beans.

>probably faster than the coffee maker.
all drippers take around the same time

[Anonymous No.15679486]

>>15679476
well the coffee maker has to drip for a while, with a pourover you kinda just put the water in 2 stages right?

[Anonymous No.15679559]

which are the least dense beans?, tyring to penny pinch with the mokapot

[Anonymous No.15679784]

>>15678885
>no halogen lamp

Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.15679929]

>get given some sort of DeLonghi for wedding gift
>only have blade grinder
wat do

[Anonymous No.15679970]

>>15679434
Why is your coffee bag inside of a ziplock anon

[Anonymous No.15680049]

>>15679929
hand grinder

[Anonymous No.15680177]

>>15680049
I prefer to bash rocks together, or use the butt of my gun

[Anonymous No.15680209]

Have you guys ever tried this coffee before? I got it at the dollar store,

[Anonymous No.15680313]

>>15679970
I bought 12 oz, put 6 oz in an airtight container and froze the other 6 oz. Since taking a picture of the airtight container wouldn't show what beans I used, I temporarily removed the other 6 oz from the freezer for the sake for the sake of the picture

[Anonymous No.15681805]

>>15678885
Aren't the hario siphons also around $40? You probably don't get much control during the process unless you buy a separate portable burner for it though.

[Anonymous No.15681817]

>>15680209
Had it once, was mediocre. Not as dark as I usually drink. Not bad though, especially if bought on sale.

[Anonymous No.15681870]

>>15672714
V60. Bee House gets clogged easily.

[Anonymous No.15682097]

Has anybody ever owned one of these things? Or tried coffee made in one? I've wanted one since their initial Kickstart campaign years ago, but it's so expensive so I have never pulled the trigger.

For anybody who doesn't know, it's basically an alarm clock that brews coffee when the alarm goes off. Called the Barisieur

[Anonymous No.15682499]

>>15676909
that's genius marketing

[Anonymous No.15682707]

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bathtubcoffee/simplify-the-brewer

This Jap pourover reimagining has me pretty interested. They designed it to minimise contact with the walls and allow better airflow to promote pour-through. Seems to be like an updated take on the Kalita dropper, where you pour all at once, no circular pours or stirring needed.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.15682843]

>>15679434
Based happy mug, those beans are good

[Anonymous No.15682900]

>>15682707
I just put a coffee filter in a sieve. Didnt know airflow even mattered

[Anonymous No.15682901]

>>15682097
>350$
For the love of God dont buy this shit. If you want something that brew coffee in the morning when you wake up there are a lot of other options which are cheaper and will make a much better coffee. Sage precision brewer for example

[Anonymous No.15682975]

Why does coffee seemingly taste worse the more money you put into it?

[Anonymous No.15683105]

>>15682900
It doesn't matter at all unless everything is airtight enough to restrict the airflow. The major things that affect flow in filter coffee are the filter, the grind, and how much water is added to the filter.

>>15682975
Not always true. Diminishing returns is very real.

[Anonymous No.15683210]

>most based brand of coffee coming thru

[Anonymous No.15683476]

>>15677016
>>15679434
Cawfee!

A little latte art is welcomed.

[Anonymous No.15683705]

>>15683476
latte art is haram

[Anonymous No.15683724]

>>15683476
>putting milk in your coffee

[Anonymous No.15683738]

>>15682707
>pour all at once, no circular pours or stirring needed
Well that's gonna spell the end of the gooseneck pourover kettle.

[Anonymous No.15683753]

What's the price of entry to doing roasting yourself, decently?

[Anonymous No.15683763]

>bar i work in got a fucking espresso machine so they can make money in the morning since the local shop closed up and moved on out
>now i'm a fucking barista among like 18 other fucking titles
>boss buys the absolute shittiest ingredients
>we use fucking chocolate milk to make mochas
>i'd like a decaf soy milk etc etc etc
>we have milk or chocolate milk
Though i discovered i love red eyes with a decent helping of half and half.

[Anonymous No.15683897]

>>15683753
$20-100.

[Anonymous No.15683907]

>>15683897
Wow that's not that much of a barrier to entry. What's the learning curve like?

[Anonymous No.15683939]

>>15683907
I don't know. I learned pretty quickly, but I've always been a quick study. It's probably not very hard for anyone though. Just read about it, watch some videos, and try it. If you fuck up a batch, correct your mistake and try again. Go for it!
:)

[Anonymous No.15684113]

>>15683907
If you're not enjoying the coffee you've roasted, you've fucked up. If you are, more power to you. Buy a $20 popcorn popper from sweetmarias. $26 shipped and they give you 4lbs of beans.

[Anonymous No.15684538]

>>15669979
Made a quick cappuccino thing with milk/heavycream heated on the stove(with thermometer), moka pot brew, and a foam wand. Not bad honestly. Heated milk has a different flavor to it than just adding it cold. Next time I'm going to use less milk, but it's a nice treat. Probably even better if I had a proper Italian espresso blend.

[Anonymous No.15684800]

>>15684538
immensely based. i'm waiting for this to arrive https://app.crowdox.com/projects/subminimal/nanofoamer

[Anonymous No.15684815]

I've been craving good espresso and finally want to get into making it at home. i've conceded that all the brevilles/delonghis around 200 cad are garbage but I've been looking into picrel. has anyone had a flair? recommendations for any alternatives? also what would be a good budget grinder?

[Anonymous No.15684866]

Grind-coarseness for moka?

[Anonymous No.15684878]

>>15684815
A budget grinder won't work with the Flair. Unless you get the Neo, which has a pressurised portafilter (hole creates pressure). Which means you don't need an espresso grind, so you can get a a cheaper grinder like the Baratza Encore. If you do want the standard Flair (non-pressurised portafilter, meaning the grind creates the pressure, you're looking at a hand grinder such as the JX Pro.

[Anonymous No.15684924]

>>15684800
Looks cool, but I'm not entirely sold on it being better than a standard frother. I hope it is actually based though. Its comfy making milk drinks at home. That one gif is retarded however. I still kinda want to invest in one of those stove top steam wands for when I deep dive into espresso.

Post results when you get it.
>>15684866
Just below true esspresso. Like above what you would do for pour-over.
>>15684878
This, you can't really get a budget grinder for the Flair. Also make sure to get the pressure gage.

[Anonymous No.15684983]

>>15684815
Works fine. I've got had one and a kinu m47p for a while. Espresso for ~$400. Pair it with a nice kettle and you've got pourovers solved as well.

[Anonymous No.15684992]

>>15684924
I had one of those frother machines that uses a whisk, with 3 different settings. After a month, the machine was stuck on the first frothing mode, and I couldn't fix it. The Nanofoamer is waterproof at least.

[Anonymous No.15685090]

>>15684992
Sucks about your machine. Hope your new frother is based. Either way it looks high quality instead of the usual XYZ ones.

[Anonymous No.15685111]

>>15685090
Gonna use it for flat whites to start with.

[Anonymous No.15686315]

>>15685111
Nice

[Anonymous No.15686507]

>>15683763
Oh fuck me, I don't miss those days starting off, just nail your fundamentals and look to move elsewhere. I've met a few bartenders who've transitioned away from doing actual bartending to become baristas.
I recently got a job in a more specialty joint, only been working there a week and I'm already happier in my work.
>largest size: 12oz
>No syrups
>Only two alt milks
>Boss is happy for me to use 6/10 shots every morning to do my grind and dose
>No set recipe
My espresso this morning tasted like mandarin and chocolate. Was fucking godly.

[Anonymous No.15686514]

>>15684538
Wait no biscuits? You on a diet?

[Anonymous No.15686567]

>>15686514
I am, but I do have some off screen. There like a spanish brand. They are like a cross between a rich tea biscut and a snickerdoodle; but they stree thinner like crisps. Might have it with my other publix chantilly cake square tomarrow.

[Anonymous No.15686639]

>>15684878
What's the difference between pressurised vs non pressurised portafilters? Which one is more ideal to have?

[Anonymous No.15686682]

>>15686639
You want a non pressurized pf.

[Anonymous No.15686708]

>>15686682
what if your grinder is under 200$

[Anonymous No.15686781]

>>15686708
You want a better grinder.

But seriously, if you don’t have a solid espresso grinder, you want a pressurised portafilter. But pressurised espresso is a pale shadow of true espresso. I spent a few years with a pressurised pf, telling myself there wasn’t that big of a difference, and once I got a true espresso machine with a good grinder, I was absolutely shocked.

[Anonymous No.15686784]

>>15686781
whats the cheapest grinder that wont hold me back?

[Anonymous No.15686962]

>>15686784
1zpresso or kinu m7p. Kinus are made better. Burr edges polished before shipping.

[Anonymous No.15687266]

>>15686781
>>15686962
yo sales rep, go shill somewhere else, you know like reddit

[Anonymous No.15687289]

>>15687266
>two entirely separate companies geographically

Must be shilling. That plastic much be leeching out of the ap senpai.

[Anonymous No.15687463]

>>15686682
>>15686781
So is it kinda like auto vs manual car? Takes a little more skill with non pressurised but once you improve your skills with it you can never go back?

[Anonymous No.15687570]

>>15687463
no, you will always get worse milleage on a manual than an automatic or a CVT tranny, also good luck after stalling in the middle of joggertown.

[Anonymous No.15687663]

>>15687463
Its like a combustion engine vs power wheels. Once you've got a car that can get on the freeway, you're not going back. You're likely only buying a grinder once, so make sure you're not going to replace it in the immediate future.

[Anonymous No.15687710]

>>15678885
>alcohol burner

in the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.15687735]

>>15687570
>stalling

I love how retards think driving a stick is hard.

[Anonymous No.15687760]

>>15687735
everybody stalls sometime, it is not about it happening often it is about to it leading to bad situations, hence googletown

[Anonymous No.15687769]

>>15686962
I Have the 1zpresso for my pour over. I have been happy with my results. Not sure if you'd want the pro model for espresso.

[Anonymous No.15687873]

>>15687769
They don't take the time to properly finish the burrs they just machined. 1. micro particles of steel are getting mixed into your beans(and hopefully snatched up by the paper filter). 2. its kind of hard to recommend it for precision when the burrs are all fukt. This is a very simple step every other burr manufacturer takes.

[Anonymous No.15689293]

>>15687873
But would you still recommend it to anon as a grinder that is better than a;
>Hario
And sub $200?
Personally, I'd try to find a 2nd hand comandante that hasn't been destroyed by a stray pebble or just bit the bullet, drink some store own brand coffee for a few weeks and get a comandante or kinu m47. It's only after having one(or something comparable) do you realise just how much heavy lifting a grinder will do for you when it comes to elevating your brews.
Just remember, comandante don't sell replacement burrs, but kinu does.

[Anonymous No.15689584]

How do i make a cup of coffee with a french press? Why do these coffee beans stink like poopaloo? Reee

[Anonymous No.15690183]

>>15689293
Sure,but barring availability issues, I dunno why you wouldn't just spring the extra $20 for a kinu phoenix over the jx pro.

[Anonymous No.15690218]

is this grind fine enough for espresso without a pressurized portafilter?

[Anonymous No.15690236]

>>15690218
also instead of going manual press + manual grinder would it be better to just get a used bean to cup machine like the saeco odea go? i found a used one that would be way cheaper than the manual route.

[Anonymous No.15690267]

>>15690218
Thats like, turkish fine. Looks like dust.

>>15690236
No, but do whatever you want. The entire point of press+hand grinder is to give you access to as many variables as possible, for cheap.Water temp, grind size, water in, pressure, and dose. For ~$400. Or

>but this one has a button and liquid comes out.

Espresso capable hand grinders are usually either stepless, or have numerous finely stepped settings. That saeco has 5. Going to be real hard to dial that in.

[Anonymous No.15690280]

>>15690267
so if I can adjust the grinder, it be fine for espresso right?

[Anonymous No.15690354]

I've drank instant all my life but came into a bunch of free whole beans. Also got a free Cafe Du Chateau 32oz french press. Only have an old blade grinder on hand though, even still none of the finer particles have leeched through the mesh filter of the press. Using 34g beans to 440ml water, 5 min steep ~205F. Scale is measuring to within 0.1 grams. It's alright, I feel I could steep longer at times and I'm guessing it is the inconsistent grind now. Whats a poor persons first burr grinder? I've heard the Hario Skerton Plus ones are kinda shit for coarse to Medium-Coarse grinds? Preferably under $90.

Cleaning the grind at the bottom of the press is also a PITA with a spoon, will the usual mesh kitchen strainer catch coffee grounds if run through with water? Don't have one yet. Any Canadian Amazon whole bean sellers worth looking at or anyone with free shipping? This Pallet Coffee Roasters shit is good but I'm not paying $20+tax per 340g bag.

[Anonymous No.15690450]

>>15690354
>Using 34g beans to 440ml water
please tell me, you share coffee with someone else

grinders always only have control over the biggest particle size, not the smallest, my advice make due with what you have until you can spare 300 usd for one.

as far as coffee sellers always search on your city first, if they are all expensive you should consider buying green beans and roasting them yourself.

[Anonymous No.15690965]

how the FUCK do i make this shit taste good

[Anonymous No.15690973]

>>15686507
your place sounds heavenly
reminds me of my local coffee shop (they're based)

[Anonymous No.15691121]

>>15690965
>he fell for the turkish coffee meme

[Anonymous No.15691139]

baratza encore or a manual grinder?

[Anonymous No.15691231]

>>15690965
what grinder are you using?

[Anonymous No.15691450]

is a variable temp kettle worth it or should I just get an on-stove goosneck kettle? live in canada so like the US we are cucked with mains power anyway and can't boil fast.

[Anonymous No.15691483]

>>15691231
REMI

[Anonymous No.15691484]

>>15691450
you could always learn to pour, goose necks are for people with bell's palsy

[Anonymous No.15691489]

>>15691484
I just want something better than the plastic shit one I have right now with a really wide pour spout.

[Anonymous No.15691501]

>>15690965
You can't. There's a reason they drink it with more sugar by mass than coffee.

[Anonymous No.15691577]

>>15691450
Stagg ekg boils real quick. .9L and 1200watts.

[Anonymous No.15691586]

>>15691577
>is a variable temp worth it
>recommends a $300 kettle
look I know this thread has a lot of richfags but I am not spending $300 to boil water.

[Anonymous No.15691589]

>>15691450

Gooseneck is definitely worth it if your technique and brewer benefits from controlling flow rate. If the brewer has a self-controlled flow rate like a melitta, then >>15691484 is probably right.


Variable temp electric is up to your use case. Electric kettle heats up a lot faster than the stovetop for me (also on 120V). Also goosenecks don't have a tea kettle whistle so you can end up letting it boil over.

If you drink light roasts I would pour straight off boiling to avoid underextraction, so being able to set the temp isn't that useful. If you drink darker roasts and follow the conventional high 190s/low 200s range, setting the temp is convenient (but you can always just boil and then wait).

[Anonymous No.15691598]

>>15691586
not him but i found it at 149, where are you looking? also he's literally making a wojak face lmfao

[Anonymous No.15691611]

>>15691589
I think i'll just get an upgraded electric kettle, hopefully something under $80
>>15691598
canada, though this his some black version on amazon, I found another listing that is only $210, still way too much

[Anonymous No.15691629]

>>15691611
this bodum one on amazon.ca looks pretty but can't speak on how it works. it's probably better than some dropshipped chinese one though
Bodum-Bistro-Gooseneck-Electric-Kettle/dp/B08FBJPZFP/ref=bmx_10?pd_rd_w=N5xPo&pf_rd_p=8af304ab-1485-4db5-b3be-498075a005a9&pf_rd_r=T3T0EAKD529Z8ZB19G9V&pd_rd_r=70f39bce-5b7e-4112-bcbe-1adac47c9ada&pd_rd_wg=avGtv&pd_rd_i=B08FBJPZFP&th=1

[Anonymous No.15691631]

>>15691139
Need to know your use case to make a good rec anon

[Anonymous No.15691642]

>>15691631
espresso in a non-pressurized portafilter

[Anonymous No.15691646]

>>15691629
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B087PDGDVJ/?coliid=I3DXAD8CHX5DA7&colid=IW953QS4GWTA&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it_im

this one is 5 stars with 3200 reviews, so either faked or genuinely good chinkshit.

[Anonymous No.15691655]

>>15691611
Bonavita makes a good electric gooseneck with temp control in that price range. Roommate from college had one that's been going for like 7 years now and daily use from 4 other roommates.

Not as pretty as some of the new models that have come out but I've recommended them to a few friends over the years and haven't heard of any failures.

[Anonymous No.15691661]

>>15691655
that one is $111 in canada, not crazy but we get pretty cucked, I might take a risk on >>15691646

[Anonymous No.15691668]

>>15691642
Encore won't grind fine enough for espresso in a non-pressurized PF. I'll leave the hand grinder recs to other anons because I don't know my shit

[Anonymous No.15691689]

>>15687873
Wait what the fuck will I die if I get a JX Pro?

[Anonymous No.15691694]

>>15691661
I see a new one on ebay for $74 CAD

[Anonymous No.15691743]

Is there a good grind chart with scale or reference? all the ones on google images look shit or unverifiaable.

[Anonymous No.15691753]

>>15691450
If you're brewing from home, have a mid to low tier grinder, don't care for using a variety of different roast profiles, don't have a real desire to see how temp affects extraction or to work within the specialty coffee industry, then I would argue no.
A variable temp kettle is an impractical thing with a very specific use(You won't be using this to fill a french press or boil water for your instant ramen) and a "good" one is expensive.
That being said, I have an ekg stag, and I fucking love it, and would recommend it over it's brewista counterpart. But if you're only stepping into filter coffee now, hand on and get a stove top with a built in thermometer. If you're planning on upgrading your grinder soon, then I'd pull the trigger and buy one, temp has such a big impact on extraction and cannot be underestimated. And don't just get the stag because Hoffmeme uses one, I got mine because I used the brewista and found it pours a bit to quickly for my taste, but fuck me, is the boiler on the stag small. You cannot bang out two 500g filter brews at the same time using one, it's too fucking small and infuriating at times.
And shit, if you never use it, they look comfy and are a nice "Thing" to have in the kitchen.
Considering all of this, buy a stovetop on Amazon, but don't use amazon for a "Good" variable temp kettle. Find a online store like Rhino, as you can sometimes find the kettles cheaper and discount codes. Grab a metal V60 filter and a bag of "Kenya AA" from "Bean around the world" while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.15691758]

>>15691689
Maybe. Some moron on here was trying to say they were top tier a few months ago. Its taiwanese chink shit. You'd think that may make it better, but you have to realize they just shipped over old cheap machinery from mainland china to manufacture them. I don't have one, they could be great. Looks to me like they're milling out the cheapest steel bodies they can and shoving hastily machined burrs in them. In any case it seems to me like jagged edges that will wear unevenly aren't going to be as consistent as they could be with an extra 15 minutes of shop time.

>>15691586
Makes a difference when you're not paying in monopoly money.

[Anonymous No.15691770]

>>15691753
I have drinken filter coffee before, I have a shitty zojirushi coffee maker at home, only problem with it is the bottom heater that ruins the coffee as it sits there, and a bad grinder which I plan to replace with a timemore c2 slim. but what really is the difference between nice and cheaper variable temp gooseneck? I can't imagine it has some superior temperature sensing considering how basic that tech is, but maybe I am wrong.

[Anonymous No.15691789]

>>15691586
These things are a fantastic example of explain the difference between a "want" and a "need"

[Anonymous No.15691802]

>>15691743
That what you need?

[Anonymous No.15691821]

>>15691770
Stagg is the only kettle with a pid. If accurate temp hold is something you need(e.g. tea sessions) its the way to go.

>but what really is the difference between nice and cheaper variable temp gooseneck?

Steel quality. I wouldn't buy a kettle that doesn't specify the composition. Theres a wide range of stainless steels. I would only use 304 or 310 for a kettle.

[Anonymous No.15691839]

>>15691821
does low quality steel leech flavor or something? I have noticed that some water bottles I drink from that aren't top tier do add a wierd flavor or smell to stuff.

[Anonymous No.15691907]

>>15691839
Among other things, yeah. When your kettle is tarnishing and pitting? That steel is going somewhere, and as it pulls off your kettle is getting weaker. If you're going with the bonavita or oxo gooseneck, check amazon reviews. Bunch of rust and electronic failures. Could just be counterfeit products, or bonavita and oxo have cheaped out on steel over the years. I bought my fellow direct to avoid any fakery and expedite any warranty claim.

>some water bottles I drink from

One of my buddies was a yeti dealer real early on so I've got good steel cups of all sizes around the place. Seems dumb to pay that much for a cup(I got like 40% off), but I use them daily and have zero complaints. My dog has yeti bowls. Def worth the "investment". You'd have to be an absolute tard to damage any of their shit.

[Anonymous No.15692119]

>>15691770
You're paying for a specialty piece of kit that isn't manufactured on mass for the public at large, (((qualty))) and the branding.
There is nothing special about the tech, but all of these and how practical it is to machine and sell, play into it's price.
Let's be clear, just because it's expensive, doesn't mean it's got good built quality. Any pajeet can buy them off aliexpress and flog them on amazon. Do your research, because some kettles have more thought put into them than others.
>How slowly can it pour?
>How fast can it pour?
>How accurately can it pour?
>How close can I pour to the brew?
>How ergonomic is it?
I got my stag for my birthday, the girlfriend gave me half the money for it. I was considering buying a damn hot plate and getting a stove top kettle and using it with my thermocouple, this shit is expensive and can be daunting buying something like it when you're not sure just how much use you'll get or how much it will benefit you.
When I got mine, I was using a shitty hario skerton pro grinder, but even so, I found a dramatic change in my brew quality.

[Anonymous No.15692143]

>>15679070
No one? Well, maybe I'll run into another one in the future and I can see if this is typical or not. This one is really lovely though. Doesn't have any of the black tea flavors, but is fairly balanced, bodied, chocolatey, moderately fruited (for wet-processed), citrusey. Grind and brew smell is like orange blossoms. Aftertaste is a lingering citrus acidity like orange peel zest.

[Anonymous No.15692215]

>>15692143
As the cup cools I'm trying to pick apart the flavors more. It's really interesting. I'm left with a chocolately taste in my mouth which subsides after a few seconds just as the citrus zest picks up and stays with me for a good 30 seconds. Flavor waves. Very fun.

I love coffee.
:)

[Anonymous No.15692757]

>>15692143
>>15679070

I think it's probably just that particular peaberry anon. Can't remember what too many sounded like, but I had a Rwandan peaberry with a really poorly defined first crack and a Brazilian peaberry that was super vigoruous.

Kenyans are awesome, enjoy :)

[Anonymous No.15692873]

>>15692757
The specialty grade Kenyan coffees have been really good for me this year. Three different ones, and I pretty much loved all of them. Nothing wild going on, but I guess they have some super-autismo grading system.

[Anonymous No.15693185]

>>15686507
>My espresso this morning tasted like mandarin and chocolate. Was fucking godly.
Weirdly, that's what Maria Sharapova's pussy tastes like.

[Anonymous No.15693492]

>>15693185
Joke works way better with Naomi Osaka.

[Anonymous No.15693504]

>>15691586
it costs 150, eternal retard

[Anonymous No.15694379]

>>15691642
Assuming you want to stay near the Encore pricepoint definitely go hand grinder, I've done espresso with an Encore but it's too inconsistent. There's usually plenty of hand grinder recs in these threads, I personally have a Kinu M47p and love the thing.

[Anonymous No.15694441]

>>15694379
>Kinu M47p

mmmmmmmmmmm spresso.

[Anonymous No.15694483]

>nooooooo don't buy a 1zpresso you might drink a heckin steel molecule!!!
>you can't use an aeropress it's plastic!!!!! you'll turn into a girl!!!!
>why yes I do graph all of my espresso shots pressure profiles, how did you know?

[Anonymous No.15694502]

>>15694483
>all that effort
>you're

[Anonymous No.15694547]

>>15694441
Nice kruve glass anon. I have those too, they're breddy gud.

[Anonymous No.15694614]

>>15694547
Unironically one of the best designed glasses out. Use mine for tea and scotch too. I like the swirl and theres enough headroom to get a good whiff.

[Anonymous No.15695871]

>>15690450
>please tell me, you share coffee with someone else
No?
That's only like ~3 cups of coffee.

[Anonymous No.15695939]

>>15695871
thought it was for one sitting

[Anonymous No.15696037]

>>15683705
>>15683724
Try & stop from milking my coffee

[Anonymous No.15696044]

>>15695939
...it is. 16 fl oz mug for breakfast.

[Anonymous No.15696054]

>>15696037

[Anonymous No.15696077]

>>15696044
you either are: underextracting or have the caffeine resistance of an air traffic controller

[Anonymous No.15696103]

>>15696077
I drink 400-500mg of caffeine a day and sometimes that's in 200mg pills and still feel nothing. Guess I'll take a month or two reset.

[Anonymous No.15696172]

>>15672714
I've owned both

Hario
>great flow, never clogs
>light
>different shape than other drippers, so you'll have to either order the hario filters or use the store bought ones and fold them. I just order the filters as folding sometimes impedes flow.

Bee House
>a lot heavier
>clogs all the time
>will fit whatever filter you find at the store

Go with Hario

[Anonymous No.15696355]

>>15696103
I also like strong coffee. I use ~45g/450ml. Do not feel bad, fren. You are not alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwYsCVQ7Ia8

[Anonymous No.15696893]

i dont really drink coffee for energy, i get up in the morning pretty easily but like the taste of black coffee and would drink it by the gallon if i could

[Anonymous No.15696984]

Folks I am here to tell you that the Stagg EKG is overpriced and overrated. Yes, it looks great, and has really nice flow control, but it also has a pretty high failure rate! My first kettle started leaking within the first year, and Fellow still charged me 50 bucks for a replacement.

I switched to a Brewista Artisan, which is around the same price, but has much better build quality and has held up beautifully.

[Anonymous No.15697169]

>>15696984
>leaking within the first year

Fellow has a 1 year warranty on both electric kettles. Are you talking about paying $50 for return shipping?

[Anonymous No.15697202]

>>15669979
I tried making a iced macchiato latte today with iced milk/cream and my moka pot. Didn't work unfortunately. I think there shouldn't be any ice left in the cup and I should pour the coffee in diffused over a spoon. Was still good though, so not a total loss.

Been drinking this recently. It's not bad for $6 coffee. Its similar to Aldi's morning light roast, but more roasted flavor and heavy body. The bag was covered in coffee oil when I first opened it; not sure if that's a good thing. I like it more than the blue one; I think it was Honduran or Guatemala. That one was fruity but tasted burnt. This roast fits the peru one better. I still think the $4 morning breakfast or Donut shop are hard to beat as far as cheap coffee goes.

[Anonymous No.15697272]

Why do I find V60/AP/FP hollow in flavor terms? I've tried medium and dark roasts. Different grind sizes and brewing temps. Encore for the grinder.

[Anonymous No.15697295]

>>15697272
Your beans aren't flavorful enough to begin with if you've used immersion brewing methods, and they still taste empty and hollow.

[Anonymous No.15697369]

>>15696103
>>15696355
and here i was feeling like a degenerate for using 18g per day

[Anonymous No.15697390]

>>15697369
18-20g here for espresso. Twice a day.

[Anonymous No.15697468]

>>15697272
Use Moar Coffee
>:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U2WTxmoLOM

[Anonymous No.15697860]

Long handled wooden spoon or stainless steel for stirring french press? Sick of burning myself on the walls and I've heard not to use metal for... some reason that wasn't elaborated on.

[Anonymous No.15697900]

>>15697860
I tossed a kruve brew stick on one of my orders to hit free shipping. Use that motherfucker daily. Probably exactly what you're looking for. Dumb unitasker, but it comes in handy. It gets as much use agitating grounds as it does stirring beans when I roast.

[Anonymous No.15697911]

>>15697860
bamboo stick

[Anonymous No.15697988]

>>15697860
>>15697911
Yeh. Bamboo stir stick.

[Anonymous No.15698027]

>>15697911
>>15697988
Guessing they are single use so I don't break the glass with metal? Another thing to keep stock of.. god damn it.

[Anonymous No.15698164]

>>15698027
No, these are not single use ones. These are thicker, carved ones meant for glass siphons and press pots. The cheapie little disposable ones are for stirring cream and sugar. The answer to your question is that metal may accidentally break your glass. Bamboo is a wonderful wood-type pokemon for this because it needs no oiling and does not taste. The good sticks only cost $5-10. I've been using the same carved bamboo stick for over a decade.

[Anonymous No.15698226]

>>15698164
Why the fuck is Hoffman using metal in his press then?

[Anonymous No.15698250]

>>15698226
Because he's not retarded and can manage somewhat fragile glassware? YMMV, but I think you're a big enough boy to handle a metal spoon or bar stir stick.

[Anonymous No.15698264]

>>15698226
Beats me. I've only seen the hand grinder video. And it was only informative because you never get to actually see all the expensive grinders next to each other.

[Anonymous No.15698269]

>>15698264
And speaking of hand grinder videos! The best ones are some Chinese dude taking them apart.

[Anonymous No.15698363]

>>15671025
Kalita wave and aergrind.

[Anonymous No.15698367]

>>15698264
>all the expensive grinders next to each other.

Kek. You need to watch his NEW grinder showdown.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LGeBcUZ9YA

Mmmmmm spresso. Ethiopian honey. Fruity and smooth with just a touch of delicious bitterness after the swallow. Dropped from 16.5g to 15.9 and dialed in the grind a bit.

[Anonymous No.15698430]

just pulled the trigger and bought one of these
what are you're thoughts, fellow faggots?

[Anonymous No.15698441]

>>15698430
why not just get a lever one?

[Anonymous No.15698457]

>>15698441
i seriously debated getting a flair, but fiddling around with preheating the plunger sounded like less work than this machine, and i just want a consistent way to make espresso at home before i start getting fancy with all the different variables
i might still get a flair in the future though, it definitely gives more control than the 9barista

[Anonymous No.15698520]

Is coffee good for you?

[Anonymous No.15698668]

>>15698367
Lol I watched this whole week of videos, it was a lot of fun but I have absolutely no interest in ever getting into home espresso after watching it. Like, I live within walking distance of a bunch of really nice coffee shops, I'll just pay the 2.50 for a nice double shot if I'm in the mood.

[Anonymous No.15698728]

>>15698430
I like it. If you've got a good grinder then dialing in is easy. From putting on the gas hob, I get about 38-40ml ml out (18-20 grams in) in under 5 minutes. If you've done too fine a grind and coffee is too slow coming through the portafilter after ~40 seconds, just take the machine off the heat, pour out the espresso, let the machine cool down and start again. This only happened to me once when I first got the machine and didn't really know what I was doing.

[Anonymous No.15699014]

>>15698728
thanks for the informative post, anon
i get the machine in May and I've already got a great hand grinder for espresso, so i can't wait to dial it in when i get it

[Anonymous No.15699417]

what the fuck bros after 2 months of 1zpresso use my wife's son came out with down syndrome