/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.16106688]

Why can’t they just pay the chef higher and cut down on waiters??

[Anonymous No.16106696]

>making a thinly-veiled political statement over your failing business

[Anonymous No.16106698]

>>16106688
>pay the chef higher
that's what tips are for, it's not their responsibility, it's the customers.

[Anonymous No.16106699]

This is the free market. What's the problem exactly?

[Anonymous No.16106706]

>>16106688
cooking has always been a high stress, underpaying job unless you hit high end. The industry has been predicated on low costs which are essentially bankrolled by the fact you can pay cooks extremely low and waiters even lower (thanks to tips). For cooks, it's because the industry is full of illegals or ex-cons and/or drug addicts who can't do any better.

Anyway, turns out when people actually get a livable income, they don't want to give it up for far less. People on the benefit are making 400 a week and up. I make $14 an hour, I JUST break even with that, and I probably make less than most who are receiving benefit.

I feel these are all pretty straight forward facts. The divide here is on whether or not you think the problem is the dole, or that fact that companies are paying their employees way less than basic livable income.

[Anonymous No.16106709]

>>16106688
I’m glad more of these worthless wagies are getting replaced by machines. Besides they’re shooting themselves in the foot; if that business closes they’ll have to compete with more potential wagies at jobs that pay just as bad if not worse. Ironically they likely voted to let in those immigrants who are taking those jobs for far less pay.
Why don’t wagies pick up a valuable skill instead of whining all the time?

[Anonymous No.16106710]

>NOOOOO WE CAN'T JUST PAY OUR EMPLOYEES A RESPECTABLE WAGE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT AAAAHHH

[Anonymous No.16106721]

>>16106710
>doesn’t hire black people

[Anonymous No.16106730]

>>16106710
> why yes I do want to take out all smaller business and only let huge companies that can afford to waste money paying huge salaries to all staff while waiting to inflation to make such increased meaningless in the end.

[Anonymous No.16106731]

>>16106688
I've actually heard the same shit locally. Chefs still command high wages but they complain that cooks don't want to work full time because a lot of people are double-dipping into CERB and prospective hires keep telling them they'll work more hours once CERB stops.

People are retarded and don't realize that they can both make more money off of CERB and that getting CERB isn't free money (you pay it back in taxes and it eventually runs out; it's kinda like EI)

[Anonymous No.16106733]

These labor threads are my favorite thing on 4chan atm.

Fuck you Dale!

[Anonymous No.16106751]

>>16106688
Manipulative shitcunt business owner is manipulative shitcunt.

[Anonymous No.16106752]

>>16106730

[Anonymous No.16106765]

>>16106752
How does that in any way change what rebuts what I said?
Again it's fine for bit and multinational companies, but small business are getting fucked... it's the same with covid restriction Walmart is essential because they can afford to hire politicians but the neighborhood market isn't so it get's shut down.

[Anonymous No.16106783]

>>16106765
I think I was confused by
>while waiting to inflation to make such increased meaningless in the end.
which I cannot decipher the meaning of. Businesses that can't afford to pay their fulltime employees enough to live off of shouldn't be around. Charge more for your food, increase cook wsges and attract better cooks to make the food worth it. I still go to my local markets so I don't know anything about them shutting down for being non-essential.

[Anonymous No.16106794]

>>16106696
Which always backfires because you can always rebut with "why don't you just pay more?".

[Anonymous No.16106803]

>a livable income is higher than minimum wage
>make minimum wage
>be alive

What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.16106815]

>>16106688
Kek
"I pay shit to shit people who prefer shit money from shit government than work in my shit kitchen,I'm right you're wrong,all of you are full of shit"
Somebody give the presidency to Anderson

[Anonymous No.16106820]

>>16106783
>Businesses that can't afford to pay their fulltime employees enough to live off of shouldn't be around.
> Charge more for your food, increase cook wages and attract better cooks to make the food worth it
1800 come on now. "enough to live" is such a fucking buzz word, Americans making less that minimal wage and under the " American poverty line" already are the top of the top earner of the world, you faggots need to get some perspective for fucks sake.
Now I do agree that wages haven't been increasing as they likely should but that has more to do with the us economy going to shit than with "ebil small business owners taking all the money for themselves", again you can praise multi million dollar conglomerates for being able to outspend the government in putting money in people's pockets TERMPORARALY, just don't be surprised when there is nothing but big business controlling every thing around you.
>. I still go to my local markets so I don't know anything about them shutting down for being non-essential.
different areas have different regulations and now things are opening back up the few small markets who survived are open back up, that was not the case during the peak covid months.

[Anonymous No.16106855]

>>16106688
lemme get this straight
he has to shut because no one wants to work for him since he wont pay more than welfare which is designed to be something that gives you enough money to survive
am i missing something or is he a retard?

[Anonymous No.16106859]

>>16106698
Cooks get almost no tips and chefs, generally, are salary and get no tips at all.

[Anonymous No.16106870]

>>16106699
>Massive government intervention and handouts are the free market

[Anonymous No.16106880]

>>16106870
if hes not willing to pay a wage that attracts workers and his business shuts down as a consequence, thats pretty free market

[Anonymous No.16106883]

>>16106870
Cope and pay more

[Anonymous No.16106895]

>>16106709
What are? A Billionaire? You are wagies too, retard

[Anonymous No.16106900]

>>16106709
What are you? A Billionaire? You are wagies too, retard

[Anonymous No.16106905]

>>16106900
how the fuck did you edit that post?

[Anonymous No.16106916]

>>16106880
This is the most retarded shit I have heard in a long time.
>"what? the government is paying you to sit at home an do nothing so you prefer to do that instead of getting back to work?"
>"of course the free market is responsible for it"
Next you are going o tell me governmental food allocation is the free market at work because people voted for the movement who did it.

[Anonymous No.16106918]

>inflation is hitting everywhere I'm going to have to raise my prices
>no, I will not increase wages for my employees

[Anonymous No.16106919]

>>16106900
Cope and get a better skillset

[Anonymous No.16106920]

>>16106905
he deleted it and made another one.

[Anonymous No.16106934]

>>16106883
>NOOOOO, MY SECOND BOAAAAT

[Anonymous No.16106935]

>>16106916
if i can earn better money elsewhere why the fuck should i stay in your shitty business? the govt isnt forcing him to pay more or give benefits. gimme one reason to stay in a place3 like that

[Anonymous No.16106938]

>>16106900
the wage shit being stagnant thing that people like to push only applies to low skill labor like being a chef. if you have a meaningful degree, wages have more than kept up with inflation. and yes for minimum wage shit, there is a line where the cost of running a machine is cheaper per hour than hiring someone

[Anonymous No.16106943]

>>16106935
because you aren't going from working as a chef to getting a job where you actually need skills/education.

[Anonymous No.16106947]

>>16106935
You fucking moron, if elsewhere is the government giving you shit for doing absolutely nothing then this is the government intervening in the economy, I don't give a shit if it's good or bad but your dare completely wrong on the definitions of what free market means.
GOVERMENT INTERFERENCE IN THE ECNONYM IS NOT THE FREE MARKET AT WORK!!!!

[Anonymous No.16106949]

>>16106916
if the government paid you more to keep your business closed than what you would earn with your business open, would you still open your business?

[Anonymous No.16106961]

>>16106820
>Americans making less that minimal wage and under the " American poverty line" already are the top of the top earner of the world
What is cost of living?

[Anonymous No.16106962]

>>16106949
No but I'm not saying the people are making wrong choices, I'm saying is is clear governmental interference in the economy.
Also the government already does this, they pay farmer not to famers at certain periods in order to ensure the price of crops stays profitable. That is also governmental interference.

[Anonymous No.16106964]

>>16106688
>decries government stimulus & welfare
>while wanting to pay workers so little they need government stimulus & welfare even after working full time
oh no, did someone get addicted to a government subsidy?

[Anonymous No.16106966]

>>16106947
>governments cannot participate in a free market
says who? it literally says "free" in the name, anyone can participate, even a government

[Anonymous No.16106969]

>>16106947
and how is the Govt not just another business?
take your Boomer shit and fuck off. people found a way to live without killingthemselves with 80 hour work weeks and youre mad about it because its not the American Dream
now please take a deep breath cause that last one was a little difficult to understand grammatically

[Anonymous No.16106973]

>>16106688
> weekly stimulus checks
I fucking wish

[Anonymous No.16106977]

>>16106688
Jews love their "market prices" and "interest rates" and all the other bullshit that makes everything more expensive when times are bad, but can't be assed to give the goyim more money to actually afford anything.

[Anonymous No.16106979]

>>16106688
if you think about it, commies/socialists are money incels lmao

[Anonymous No.16106982]

>>16106966
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE I MUST BE GETTING BAITED!!!
no that is not the definition of a free market, the market is not "free" to participate as it wants the market is free form governmental interference, no wonder retards keep calling the failures of the us the failures of free market capitalisms when that hasn't been the case since 1929 when Keynesian welfare practices became the bread and butter of the American government. America is not a laissez-faire system, it's a corporativist capitalist system.

[Anonymous No.16106994]

>>16106721
I think I've seen a black person at working at one before.

[Anonymous No.16106996]

>>16106969
>and how is the Govt not just another business?
they hold the monopoly on violence, if they can come to your business and force you to close down, sell you stuff or even just take you under imprisonment for not doing things in the way the deem fit they are "playing by different rules".
Stop being an uneducated retard for a fucking second and use the proper meaning of words.

[Anonymous No.16107005]

>>16106996
>the government participating in the free market after being voted in by the population is violence
this is your brain on libertarianism.

[Anonymous No.16107006]

>>16106996
they doi the same shit, theyre just better at it. dont pretend other companies dont use violence
you could too if you know what youre doing

[Anonymous No.16107008]

>>16106969
>and how is the Govt not just another business?
Whatever point you might have had you just lost it.
If you cannot differentiate between a sovereign state and legal business you are just retarded.

[Anonymous No.16107012]

>>16107005
>the gov't printing money and giving it away is the free market.
fuck off
where the gov't is part of the free market is when it provides jobs. there are many jobs, depending on what one wants in their life, where the public sector is really enticing. but having a monopoly on printing money and handing it out is not a free market.

[Anonymous No.16107017]

>>16107008
>implying thats what the US federal govt even pretends to be

[Anonymous No.16107018]

>>16106982
a government is free to participate in a free market
it already does in some instances

[Anonymous No.16107020]

>>16107005
>the government participating in the free market after being voted in by the population is violence
Did I say any of that you fucking mongoloid? I said the government can use violence on you as it deems fit. Because they can, that is what the police is and do keep in mind I'm not saying hat is wrong, I'm actually not a liberal, I'm saying it's a fact.
>>16107006
They can't unless you are in living in a dysfunctional system where the governmental authority has been weakened to such a state where each company has it's own private militia. Oh sure, they can manipulate the system in order to arrest or imprison people, but the prerogative of violence stills falls solely in the hands of the government.

[Anonymous No.16107029]

>>16107012
the government does not have a monopoly on printing money, the federal reserve does

[Anonymous No.16107030]

Oh hey it’s this thread again with the same image again!
Totally epic xD

[Anonymous No.16107036]

>>16107020

[Anonymous No.16107047]

>>16106688
these places are usually very poorly run and barely able to turn a profit in the first place

[Anonymous No.16107055]

>>16107029
well, in the sense that gov't has a major part in the fed deciding to print money, no private business (that isn't the fed heavily influenced by the gov't) is allowed to print money.
Also, the gov't (especially federal) has the ability to take on debt way beyond what would be realistic or even possible for businesses. this is usually not an issue due to the fact that the money goes into productive shit that increases the GDP, but when you are just giving people money, there is no productive income to help keep an increase in gdp up with the increase in debt

[Anonymous No.16107058]

>>16107012
>The government printing money
Based retared

[Anonymous No.16107060]

>>16107018
>a government is free to participate in a free market
A government is free to do whatever the fuck it wants as long as it's sovereign, but pretending that doing so is not interfering in the market is stupid because the definition of a free market requires the lack of governmental interference.
State owned enterprises do exist but they are a perfect example of interference.
I'm not saying it's bad, I think public transport usually benefits from begin owned by the state instead of private institutions. That, however doesn't change the fact it's not am example of laissez-faire capitalisms but ratter of a welfare practice.

[Anonymous No.16107066]

>>16107017
The us is complete a sovereign state, even fi it voluntarily give up some of it's sovereignty in the signing of pact and deals in the international system in order to better participate in it.

[Anonymous No.16107073]

>>16107060
>A government is free to do whatever the fuck it wants as long as it's sovereign, but pretending that doing so is not interfering in the market is stupid because the definition of a free market requires the lack of governmental interference.
participation is not interference

[Anonymous No.16107074]

>>16106721
how is this a problem?

[Anonymous No.16107077]

>>16106855
It's an extremely bitter and spiteful attempt by a Conservative person to shut down an argument for higher wages by saying "b-b-b--bbut MUH EVIL GUBERMINT WELFARE :((((((" and that's all these signs are. Businesses are mad they can't get away with paying poverty wages anymore.

[Anonymous No.16107083]

>FOOD & COOKING

[Anonymous No.16107090]

>>16107077
even if they were paying better, a good amount of people who still not go since, I would rather get the equivalent of $12/hr to do nothing rather than getting 15/hr while having to work full time.
also, minimum wage is a separate issue. in reality that just needs to be regional. when you have some states where the median wage is below $15/hr, you will destroy it by implementing that. even more based would to have city/township average housing cost based wage, since even in a state, the cost of living will be much lower whether you are in or out of a city.

[Anonymous No.16107093]

>>16106688
>pay your cooks in cash until stimulus ends

[Anonymous No.16107094]

>you agreed to work for minimum wage, if you don't like it then quit!
>uh who's going to make my triple bacon cheeseburger if you don't work? don't be lazy!

[Anonymous No.16107096]

>>16107083
CHEFS DO COOKING DER

[Anonymous No.16107098]

>>16107073
It is tho, all business interfere in the economy in some way or another, and so do consumers. That is the whole point of competition driving innovation, you interfere with another businesses share in the market so they are forced to change how they do things in order to provide a cheaper and/or better product.
That is why there should be GOVEREMENTAL interference in completely free market, because all other actors interfering in it is a requirement for a market to even exist.

[Anonymous No.16107103]

>>16106688
Very boomer-esque pic. Almost parody levels but it's real. Holding it up for the camera with pudgy fingers, the scribbling on the back, the overly dramatic language, the arbitrary capitalization...
It's like poetry

[Anonymous No.16107110]

>>16107098
interference is manipulation and regulation, taxes and subsidies
only a government can perform these actions, but a government participating in a market (the same way a private company would) is not inherently interference.

[Anonymous No.16107118]

>>16106709
>Why don’t wagies pick up a valuable skill instead of whining all the time?
the "every OTHER industry is just on an infinite hiring spree" theory. too bad it never pans out that way. just because you inspire a bunch of people to get their degrees in biochem doesnt mean a bunch of biochem positions have opened up for new recruits.

[Anonymous No.16107122]

>>16106935
You are using the word "earn" while talking about receiving government subsidy. Stop that.

[Anonymous No.16107136]

>>16107122
for almost everyone its a tax rebate, so yes they did earn it

[Anonymous No.16107137]

>>16107103
YEP THEY DON'T MAKE EM LIKE THEY USED TO
-Bill

Sent from my iPad using TapaTalk
-Bill Anderson
USPS 1978-1979
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[Anonymous No.16107138]

God this must be how good boomers feel every time they lecture anyone under 40 about how tough they had it and we just want free everything.

[Anonymous No.16107145]

>get paid in tips
>business is slow because of covid
>make almost nothing
cant imagine why anyone WOULDNT want to sign up for this

[Anonymous No.16107158]

>>16107138
you retard realize most restaurants operate on a tiny profit margin and most of them end up bankrupt even WITH the tiny salaries for workers right?
Only chains can cope with paying their staff more because people just don't want to pay too much for food.

[Anonymous No.16107172]

>>16106688
>Why can’t they just pay the chef higher and cut down on waiters??
because (You) won't pay the higher prices on the menu dipshit.

[Anonymous No.16107173]

>>16107158
So the businesses close, and the public either adapts or it doesn't.
Welcome to capitalism

[Anonymous No.16107177]

>>16107158
The I can't afford to run my business "crisis" solved:
>1. Improve your product.
>2. Sell your product for more money.
>3. Get a real job with a company that isn't run by a bankrupt retard.

[Anonymous No.16107178]

>>16107172
The infamous $20 Big Mac

[Anonymous No.16107183]

>>16106870
the govt is just another corporation. if you don't like doing business with it, leave the premises. america is ultimately one giant mcdonalds. it's the free market whether you like it or not, cuck

[Anonymous No.16107192]

Have struggling diners considered offering smaller menus?

[Anonymous No.16107193]

>>16107158
>most restaurants
sounds like they should copy what the better, more profitable minority of restaurants do. boomers are so lazy.

[Anonymous No.16107201]

>>16107177
The "I can't afford to feed myself" crises solved
>1.improve yourself
>2.Sell yourself for more money.
>3.Get a real job
It works both ways, except people get endless welfare, while small business don't.
You COULD let the free market decide, and stop paying people for doing nothing with the wealth taken form working people, but hey lets that is just an idea.

[Anonymous No.16107213]

>>16107173
You mean welcome to a corporativist welfere state right? because those small businesses were "taken out" by the government with the mix of lockdowns and welfere benefits.

[kidnap victim No.16107214]

>>16106688
idgi why not train them? tht way they are cooks still... also if u have money for business why not have money to hire from overseas? makes no sense... sound like they got mortgage to get them to openbusiness so they dont take loan from bank for business just for personal

[Anonymous No.16107215]

>>16107029
the fed does not print money, nor is it a government entity

[Anonymous No.16107218]

>>16107213
baw baw baw, it's not capitalism when it works against ME!

[Anonymous No.16107226]

>>16107201
If getting welfare subsidies is so easy, then why would anyone open a business. Just go on unemployment and you never have to worry about paying staff again.

[Anonymous No.16107236]

>>16107218
the problem is caused by government policy, not capitalism. one could argue that the policy is necessarily bad because the problem is ubiquitous in markets that allow capitalism to occur, but it's not really, because it's only a problem in places where the government is easily lobbied against the interests of small businesses. i dont know what the solution is but it's clear that the antagonist is large corporations, regardless of your political beliefs.

[Anonymous No.16107238]

>>16107178
in 1960 a big mac cost 45 cents if you told someone that in 2021 a big mac would cost $4 they'd tell you, you were full of shit. because back then $4 was the same as $36 is today.

Yet here we are.

A big mac cost $4 now.

[Anonymous No.16107241]

>>16107110
> but a government participating in a market (the same way a private company would) is not inherently interference
I will give you that.
The thing is that the govermtnal almost never participates in the same way companies do, it doesn't need to be providable or even make money most of the time, it was the case in the new deal where they built bridges only to blow them up and build them again, it is the case now where they pay people to not do anything.
The only example I can think off the top of my head of a governmental run businesses doing all it can to "play by the same rules" and trying to be profitable is the Netherlands government owned oil company (which is success story but it's the only case I can think off).
If the government instead of simply raising minimal wages (which it has a right to do even if it's interfering directly in the economy) Simply give people a check with more then minimal wage if they don't work they are also raising wage indirectly ( and I would ratter they just raise the minimal wage because i know i would ratter stay at home with 1.400 than go to work for 2.000 so they are incentivizing laziness)

[Anonymous No.16107245]

>>16107215
>the fed does not print money,
yes it does
>nor is it a government entity
i didnt say it was, in fact i explicitly said the opposite

[Anonymous No.16107248]

>>16107218
No if the reason for the closure were monopolies outcompeting the small business down i would say it's capitalisms at fault, the thing is it's governmental policy doing it.

[Anonymous No.16107249]

>>16107236
capitalism invariably causes those policies dork. that's like getting lung cancer from smoking and saying the problem is the mutated cells in the lungs (which itself isn't shocking since this is something tobacco-peddling capitalists have claimed before)

pathetic

[Anonymous No.16107255]

>>16107226
Well... actually a lot, and I do mean a lot, of people are doing this. More than half the shop in my city have closed down.

[Anonymous No.16107256]

>>16107245
>yes it does
Bureau of Engraving prints money. Fed modifies the money supply via open market transactions, not printing.

[Anonymous No.16107260]

>>16107249
Ok you are just sousing buzzwords as bait or because you are actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.16107263]

>>16106688
Private business can't compete with government or the private central bank ponzi scheme

[Anonymous No.16107267]

>>16107249
Go back to bunkerchan, trannoid

[Anonymous No.16107276]

>>16107256
and who tells the bureau of engraving to print money?

[Anonymous No.16107281]

>>16106900
I'm on salary.

[Anonymous No.16107288]

>>16106721

That's why I go there.

[Anonymous No.16107295]

>>16106900

I'm salaried and use my CS degree to automate most of my job, I spend about 3 hours a day doing actual work and the rest of the day fucking off on social media, streaming movies or 4chan. My boss doesn't even care because my shit is taken care of and sometimes watches with me (we watched House together on Tuesday).

[Anonymous No.16107303]

>>16107288
Austism?

[Anonymous No.16107319]

>>16107201
Small businesses do get endless welfare. Lots of small businesses are only open to scam the government out of money.

[Anonymous No.16107320]

>>16106966
This.
Also, if you want to buy a supermarket, you don't legally have to pay anything for it. "Free market economy", it's literally in the title dipshits.

[Anonymous No.16107327]

>>16107319
I guess it really depends on where you life as different state have wildly different laws regarding that. I just know if that where the case they would just stay open despite having almost no traffic recently, and i know most of them did go under.

[Anonymous No.16107328]

>>16106688
Why don't Liz and Dale do the cooking?

[Anonymous No.16107334]

>>16107303

God I hope so

[Anonymous No.16107351]

>>16107328
Dale could have produced some sons and called it Dales & Sons Diner

[Anonymous No.16107354]

>>16107201
>Just make more money
>Problem solved
Wow check out mr. genius over here

[Anonymous No.16107358]

>>16107327
Dale's Diner seems pretty confident they'll be able to reopen when they can resume underpaying workers. It is obviously quite cheap and perhaps even profitable for them to have an excuse to write off the expense of staying closed.

[Anonymous No.16107360]

>>16107320
you're joking but you legally don't
if a supermarket owner wants to sell you a supermarket for nothing, it's their right to do so

[Anonymous No.16107506]

>>16106688
Bill and Liz ANDERSON, two proud boomers who close down other's livelihoods out of spite, because they were able to buy multiple properties before everything was massively devalued.

[Anonymous No.16107524]

>>16107249
The average muttoid zoomers literally gobble up that capitalism propaganda hook line and sinker.
They think it's the perfect system, if only it wasnt for dem goshdarn capitalists who always fuck society in the ass.

[Anonymous No.16107546]

>>16106688
>Our business model was defeated by a minor, temporary increase in unemployment benefit.

[Anonymous No.16107554]

>>16107524
Capitalism isn't a perfect system, but it's certainly better than paying $20 for a hotdog in a c*mmunist society

[Anonymous No.16107573]

>>16107554
Keep coping mutt

[Anonymous No.16107609]

>>16107554
Feudalism is best, dickshart. Stop obsessing over capitalism and communism.

[Anonymous No.16107620]

>Shut down entire business making no money instead of giving small raise to employee

do (((americans))) really

[Anonymous No.16107627]

Why don't they just hire illegals who work for pennies? Problem solved

[Anonymous No.16107629]

>>16106752
>salaries are bigger because of inflation
>the relative "power" of that salary hasn't changed
uhh ok. not sure what the point is.

[Anonymous No.16107644]

>>16106698

What's the tipping mechanism for a chef who does not interact with the customers at all?

[Anonymous No.16107878]

>>16107629

Point probably is that wether you get the money from a huge company or a small business, it needs to be X dollars in order to meet whatever purchasing power is required for a normal life.

Hiding behind the "small business owner" shield while under-paying your workers is not very cool. It's even less cool when you whine when the workers don't work for you because of low salary.

[Anonymous No.16107908]

>>16107644
There are several systems, each of them vile in their own way.

1) Kitchen get no tips. They do get higher wages than servers.

2) All tips go into a pot and are divided equally or on a percentage basis between staff on duty at the time. Most common in bars and nightclubs.

3) Tips are estimated per table, based on total spending per party. Server kicks back a set percentage of meal ticket regardless of tip received. This is particularly vile, because if the table does not tip, or tips low, the server could wind up "owing" the kitchen for that table.

4) No tipping policy in effect. Most fast food places are like this.

[Anonymous No.16107962]

>>16106706
Niggas are still on u e wtf

[Anonymous No.16107974]

>>16107077
I actually just looked up the owner, he’s a Democrat.

[Anonymous No.16107987]

>>16107077
The owner of that restaurant is a Democrat.

[Anonymous No.16107992]

>>16107974
>>16107987
prove it

[Anonymous No.16107993]

>>16107992
Prove he isn’t.

[Anonymous No.16107995]

>>16107992
You can look up Dale’s Diner on Open Secrets, they contributed to Biden.

[Anonymous No.16108027]

>>16106982
cringe

[Anonymous No.16108031]

>>16107995
why dont they pay more then? I don't understand, government is good

[Anonymous No.16108032]

>>16107192
unironically this

[Anonymous No.16108055]

>>16106698
>that's what tips are for, it's not their responsibility, it's the customers.

[Anonymous No.16108067]

>>16106820
>Other people in developing country make no where near as much! Stop complaining wagie!
The corporate bootlicker of amerimutt land

[Anonymous No.16108071]

>>16106721
If you've ever worked in a kitchen a day in your life you'd know that sounds like heaven.

[Anonymous No.16108088]

>>16107629
Money has become less valuable, needing more of it to buy the same things 50 years ago. While the cost of living itself has went up. This id partly why billionaires are becoming more common, paired with the fact that several companies dominate many common aspects of society.

[Anonymous No.16108106]

>>16106870
There has been massive government intervention and handouts for business owners forever. Finally the average worker gets some and REEEEEE I CAN'T GET ANYONE TO WORK FOR FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE!!! Go suck more jew dick, piggie.

[Anonymous No.16108130]

>>16107260
Are you too retarded to understand the analogy?

[Anonymous No.16108149]

>American service sector breaks down as soon as people actually get some social security benefits.

[Anonymous No.16108169]

>>16106730
>waste money paying huge salaries
And it's a hell of a business model. Boomer business owners will offer 1970's wages w/ no benefits and wonder why no one will come save them.

[Anonymous No.16108179]

>>16106688
I want to know what was written on the backside of that paper.

[Anonymous No.16108187]

>>16108179
mhm

[kidnap victim No.16108189]

>>16108055
thts what europeans look like when u tlk about americans lol

[Anonymous No.16108190]

>>16108106
>There has been massive government intervention and handouts for business owners forever
Yes and people who advocate for a free market reeedover that as well, you might not have noticed since every time people complained about it democrats cried "Muh poor barak muh racism" .
>Finally the average worker gets some
this si what you faggots don't get SOME which is but a fraction of what big business gets, but oh how you love to suck that governmental dick about all that """welfare"".
> Go suck more jew dick, piggie.
holy projection.

[Anonymous No.16108194]

>>16108187
So, it's mostly a shopping list of things they're not sure if available.

[Anonymous No.16108208]

>>16106964
That's what is sounds like desu

[Anonymous No.16108264]

>>16108149
It's beautiful isn't it. The fact that people would rather live on welfare than put up with other Americans.

[Anonymous No.16108330]

>>16106709
should have used lockdown as an opportunity to learn to code

[Anonymous No.16108340]

>>16107136
>for almost everyone its a tax rebate, so yes they did earn it
for white people its a tax rebate, so yes only white people did earn it

[Anonymous No.16108341]

>>16108149

[Anonymous No.16108421]

Unemployment pays me ~2k a month. Why the fuck would I work at a diner? If they want me to work again I want at least 3+ a month. My fucking room mates and I literally laugh at the fucking retards that are still working at restaurants for dollars an hour, not even full time. We collectively stopped tipping, because min wage is suppose to be 15 dollars. Went to an interview that paid me 100 dollars as a "promising" individual who would work.

[Anonymous No.16108438]

>>16106706
>way less than basic livable income.
That’s weird. If the income was so you you literally couldn’t live, then why are all these people still alive?

[Anonymous No.16108442]

>>16106721
>eating at a restaurant that hires black people
Enjoy your food poisoning

[Anonymous No.16108444]

>>16107295
>I spend about 3 hours a day doing actual work and the rest of the day fucking off on social media,
Many wagies are like this. It's why culture is dying in America and other wagie-heavy areas. People spend 5 hours a day goofing off at work, unable to put their time towards a fulfilling hobby or raising a family, because work owns their time even when they're not working. Imagine all of the social bonding and artistic developments that could be happening during those 5 hours per day. At least if you're really working, you feel fulfilled.
You could spend that time doing something that will make you happy instead of draining yourself on social media.

[Anonymous No.16108446]

>>16108149
It's not social security though

[Anonymous No.16108452]

>>16106688
>maybe I could just pay myself less and my employees more
>nah I’d rather pay them just enough that they require subsidies anyways

[Anonymous No.16108459]

>>16106900
I'm on salary and I wish I was a wagie for the amount of hours I have to work
FUCK

[Anonymous No.16108465]

>>16106688
I guarantee this dude is a shit boss to work for
When he posts something like this, publically throwing a temper tantrum, does he expect to be able to hire anyone later on?

[Anonymous No.16108472]

>>16107158
So? Why should I care about that. If 90% of restaurants fail in their first year, that is boomers' beloved capitalism at work

[Anonymous No.16108476]

>>16106688
>go to 5guys
>like 9 people behind the counter

[Anonymous No.16108477]

this whole thread is a perfect example of why poorasses shouldn't be allowed to vote. you have the economic acumen of an 8th grader no wonder you're poor lol

[Anonymous No.16108483]

>>16108477
Exactly. If the owner had made better life decisions he wouldn’t have opened a failing business. It’s not too late to go back to school for him

[Anonymous No.16108554]

>>16107334
What type of parent would name their daughter Aspie?

[Anonymous No.16109011]

>>16106688
>kick everyone off of unemployment benefits
>demand drops off a cliff because nobody can afford to eat out on slave wages
>dale's diner goes out of business
>but hey at least we have a couple of part time line cooks subsidized on food stamps now

[Anonymous No.16109019]

Private businesses can't compete against the printing presses, sadly.

[Anonymous No.16109566]

>>16109011
That's the rub. It's over from either direction. The whole thing was precariuosly hanging by a thread for years. Snip.

[Anonymous No.16109702]

>>16106688
Lmao sucks to suck. Offer some benefits and maybe you'll find new hires. But I doubt it. I wouldn't go back to working food service if they gave out free fuck'n'sucks on weekends.

[Anonymous No.16109795]

>>16107995
Why are you lying tho?

[Anonymous No.16109804]

This is partially you cucks' fault for simping drama queens like ramsay and boredain who promoted restauration as an epic cut-throat industry where you were paid shit had shit working conditions unreasonable hours but LOVED it cause it's really about PASSION

but yall aint ready for that conversation

[Anonymous No.16109837]

>>16109804
I doubt anyone was ever passionate about flipping burgers at dale's diner

[Anonymous No.16109850]

>>16109804
Mate you can't really compare high end restaurant with some shitty fast food joints. High end restaurant pay very well.

[Anonymous No.16109854]

>>16106710
Doesnt the cook at in and out earn like 100k?

[Anonymous No.16109891]

>>16109837
>>16109850
The huge difference between the 2 groups you're describing is part of the problem

[Anonymous No.16109908]

>>16109566
its like a scrotum being evacuated from its host

[Anonymous No.16109928]

>>16106688
>they have sealed our fate

[Anonymous No.16109931]

>>16109891
Not really unless you want to not have any affordable eating options. Cheap joints are fine and dandy and if they can afford the new salaries they should jut put robots in and fuck the wagies, no reason to make it more expensive.

[Anonymous No.16110455]

>>16108179
It's a list of people they interviewed followed by "Not sure of availability", meaning they haven't agreed upon available work shift hours with that person.

[Anonymous No.16110474]

>>16106698
It should be the business owner's responsibility to pay their cooks and employees a decent wage. If they can not afford to then maybe it's time to close up shop or raise your prices.

[Anonymous No.16110475]

>>16108088
>Money has become less valuable, needing more of it to buy the same things 50 years ago.
That's inflation
>While the cost of living itself has went up
That's population growth
>This id partly why billionaires are becoming more common
That's because there's more wealth than ever. Poor people are better off than ever too.
>paired with the fact that several companies dominate many common aspects of society.
do you mean Google and other tech? Their products took over the world in a short period of time and they became insanely rich, that would have happened no matter what year it was. Just like how car companies took over the American economy for a bit before WW2.

[Anonymous No.16110515]

>>16108149
That's because the service sector is a meme job factory. First they mechanized farming, so America went from a mostly rural population to a mostly urban population - farmers moved to the cities and their kids became factory workers. Then they outsourced manufacturing so all the factory workers' kids became "service sector" wagies, manning cash registers and doing a bunch of other bullshit work that is rapidly being replaced by online transactions and electronic tellers. There are some service sector industries that are quite vital, but the vast majority are retail wagies, McJobs and restaurant staff. If that latter group decided to stop working all together, then the mega corps can just make an extra investment and completely switch to electronic, retaining only a few vital staff with higher salaries. Meanwhile, small businesses who can't afford this will simply go out of business. At that point everyone is truly fucked because there's no new industry for all these low-skilled wagies with their arts degrees to go. Some people say that they can just go into tech, but the whole point of tech is to do more work with fewer people. Blockbuster employed 50k people alone, and combined with other similar businesses it must have been hundreds of thousands of American jobs - they were all displaced by Netflix with only 2,000 employees (as of 2014 or so, recently they have hired more into their production business - unrelated to tech).

[Anonymous No.16110518]

>>16107158
Isn't that was capitalism is all about though? So what's the problem?

[Anonymous No.16110528]

>>16107238
>A big mac cost $4 now.

And? If it's too much money for you maybe it's time for you to just cook at home?

[Anonymous No.16110533]

>>16107248
Well monopoly regulations already exist, so if it wasn't for the government then a single company would have owned everything a long time ago. It's a moot point.

[Anonymous No.16110546]

>>16107238
>a big mac cost 45 cents
>back then $4 was the same as $36 is today.
You did the math backwards. What the person in 1960 thinks about $4 is irrelevant. What matters is how much that $4 is worth 1960s dollars. It's 44 cents.

[Anonymous No.16110577]

My boss used covid as an excuse to run people ragged. His line of thinking was that we were in a recession and a lot of businesses were shutting down, so all his employees should feel lucky. He ran us hard and then he went on vacations as soon as he was able to. Meanwhile they spam the same memes on facebook about "don't get mad at restaurants for being understaffed" and I'm like you scumbags would be understaffed with or without covid. Customers tip for dining and they tip at the window for pickup and that goes towards the owners' vacations. He prefers to hire people with kids who are living check to check so that he can pay them below minimum wage and they'll be too worried for their livelihood to quit. Glad I got the fuck out. They offered me my job back a couple weeks ago

[Anonymous No.16110597]

Where I live, the only restaurants are family owned. They don't need to hire outside workers.

[Anonymous No.16110905]

>>16107096
the thread isnt about chefs, its about the restaurants in a free market
belongs in /biz/

[Anonymous No.16110956]

>>16108438
>If the income was so you you literally couldn’t live
He said livable income. Livable means "worth living," not "the bare minimum to sustain life."

[Anonymous No.16110972]

>>16106803
You're alive, but it's not an income which promotes a life worth living.
Livable does not mean "being able to live," despite the apparent etymology.

[Anonymous No.16111031]

>>16106688
Awwww did someone get addicted to slave labor? Restaurant owners and managers are human traffickers preying upon the bottom rung of society.
Don't worry mister manager man, democrats are importing migrants and refugees as we speak so you can illegally staff your restaurant with not-slaves for below minimum wage under the table.

[Anonymous No.16111067]

>>16107158
>Only chains can cope with paying their staff more because people just don't want to pay too much for food.
so wait... we Demolition Man now?

[Anonymous No.16111093]

>>16106710
I make $26 per hour. The state + federal unemployment payments where I live pay as much per week as I make. You really expect every restaurant to pay more than $26 per hour to all of their employees? I think people don't appreciate how extreme the unemployment compensation is right now.

[Anonymous No.16111131]

>massive influx of new workers to skilled trades driving wages down amidst mass restaurant worker exodus

[Anonymous No.16111271]

>>16110515
>this
All is going as described by Schumpter with the productive class in this country being paved over for a welfare state and corporatocracy. This country has no future take your things and leave while you can before the government leeches every last dime out of your pocket and makes you a wagie slave.

[Anonymous No.16111381]

>>16111067
essentially
the whole point of the shutdowns in the first place was to kill off small businesses to consolidate corporate control of industries
everything's going according to plan

[Anonymous No.16111402]

>>16111271
>NO ONLY PRIVATE PEOPLE CAN MAKE YOU A WAGIE SLAVE
retard

[Anonymous No.16111447]

I hope Dale loses everything.

[Anonymous No.16111455]

>>16107158
People would pay more if they didn't make shitty food.

[Anonymous No.16111465]

>>16107158
>"People just don't want to buy my product, therefore I should take it out on the workers creating my product instead of just improving my product"

Get owned by the ((((capitalist)))) system you propagated, dumbass boom boom LOL

[Anonymous No.16111506]

>>16106730
In N Out isn't a huge company. They're only on the west coast and slowly branching out while remaining private to not sacrifice their quality to a franchisee model.

They're simply not at the mercy of shareholders because they're a private company so they don't need to make money/profit hand over fist every quarter to appease rich kikes(shareholders)

Worked there for five years and still miss it from time to time, management of a fast food biz wasn't for me though and neither was working closing shifts till 2am 2-3 days a week.

[Anonymous No.16111511]

>>16109854
There's for levels of management at In N Out and the only one making over 100k is the main store manager.

[Anonymous No.16111679]

>>16111402
Only the government can regulate your business to death and steal your money with taxes and inflation due to monetary policy (although the banks are somewhat separate entities) and let in shitskins from other countries to inflate the labor supply. Granted corporations also make you a wagie by refusing to raise wages and instead moving jobs overseas (alongside using lobbying to protect their profits and getting tax breaks through convoluted loopholes that the middle class can’t use) which is why I also said corporatocracy illiterate nigger.

>>16111506
>this

>>16110905
More like /pol/, /biz/ only talks about crypto.

[Anonymous No.16111704]

>>16111067
based. can't wait to eat rat burgers off a street cart.

[Anonymous No.16111921]

>>16106688
Why doesn’t Bill get his fat ass in front of the grill to save the business.

[Anonymous No.16112079]

>>16106696
>lazy fucks don’t want to work and rather collect unemployment

That’s what you meant

[Anonymous No.16112082]

>>16106706
>livable income

Can you define that?

[Anonymous No.16112087]

>>16106696
That's about as thinly veiled as a guy with a hammer and sickle tattoo on his forehad telling you about the means of production.

[Anonymous No.16112164]

>>16106698
>VietnamVet1957 has entered the chat

[Anonymous No.16112170]

>>16106688
This is the same logic that incels use.
No, people don't owe you their labor. If you have more to offer than minimum wage and terrible work conditions, maybe people would consider working there again.

[Anonymous No.16112174]

>>16106688
That's a bullshit excuse from an employer that pays shit wages and also wants to dip into that sweet restaurant relief funds.

[Anonymous No.16112175]

>>16112082
Hurr durr, what do you need to live????
You need food, home, transportation, clothes, electricity etc. Fuck you are a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.16112176]

>>16106730
If the only way you can maintain a business is by exploiting your workers, then you're not fit for the market.

[Anonymous No.16112178]

>>16106688
>Obviously we are NOT closing because of a lack of business

If he has to say that, then he just gave away the whole ball game. What a moron.

[Anonymous No.16112185]

>>16106688
It's literally the workers making the profit because the customers buy the work meaning products and services. No profit comes without work. So most of the money and growing profits should go to workers. They are literally making the profit. But in right-wing delusion and billionaire and millionaire bootlicker's mind, it's the opposite. Fuck right-wingers are gullible and delusional idiots.

[Anonymous No.16112186]

>>16106688
Holy fucking kek. I know that place, it's a shitty grease spoon, it's basically a glorified Waffle House. Good riddance that place needs to close. I'm just keeping my finger crossed that it closes permanently and something better comes along.

[Anonymous No.16112188]

>>16112175
Hurr durr give a fucking number or don't post at all retard.

[Anonymous No.16112219]

>>16106688
Dude is looking for a handout out of pity, the start a kickstarter, or the kick-off of a campaign for some local office.

[Anonymous No.16112238]

>>16106688
I hate when people post "Woe is me" signs. I'd be far less likely to ever dine at a place that put a sign like that up, throwing themselves a pity party.

[Anonymous No.16112312]

>>16108438
livable and survivable are not the same thing
people can live by getting resources elsewhere, either from friends, family or dying just slowly enough that its hard to notice

[Anonymous No.16112322]

>>16107020
>They can't
and yet they do

[Anonymous No.16112325]

>>16106688
>>16112079
>>16106815
Why don't they pay chefs more than minimal wage? Are they retarded? How did it even survive 10 yrs? By sucking all the dicks of truckers?

[Anonymous No.16112328]

>>16106688
Just got a 2.50 an hour raise myself to combat this, which will not go away once unemployment benefits do. Sometimes working for a huge corporation has its benefits.

[Anonymous No.16112338]

>>16107158
>Only chains can cope with paying their staff more because people just don't want to pay too much for food.
That don't explain Wcdonald's at all. And Fastfood places in Japon/EU/Aussie pay people better than any USA state.

Just admit that most /biz/ are trash or just scammers.

[Anonymous No.16112342]

>>16107263
>the private central bank ponzi scheme
Most of these biz exist because banks have been freely lending out money.

[Anonymous No.16112345]

>>16107908
>2) All tips go into a pot and are divided equally or on a percentage basis between staff on duty at the time. Most common in bars and nightclubs.

This worked fine for Salt Bae and his restaurants are printing money even during Wuflu.

[Anonymous No.16112362]

>>16106688
This paper is just stupid. You can't collect unemployment if you quit your job, any employees they had would have been retained. Maybe if they had positive iq points they wouldn't have written this shit.

[Anonymous No.16112366]

>>16106730
REE CAPITALISM IS BAD WHEN IT HURTS THE MOM AND POP STORES BUT ALSO WORKERS NEED TO STOP COMPLAINING REE

[Anonymous No.16112381]

damn its almost like money was a mistake

[Anonymous No.16112390]

>>16107030
Sorry we gonna make a Ramsay and a Deenz appreciation thread and delete this one. Go fuckyourself with your cancer threads at least this one is relevant for a cook.

[Anonymous No.16112534]

>>16107908
1) servers always get better wages with tips. I was paid 1100€ while waiters gained 800+400€, mind you there were 5 waiters and 8 cooks.

2) both gain peanuts as tips and start robbing the split from each other

3) you explained perfectly

4) peanut payment

Best case scenario is the fuckers starting paying extra hours or letting their employees out on the 8h shift.

[Anonymous No.16112751]

>>16112534
>€
But the internet told me that Europeans don't tip because that's only a barbaric practice done by us fat retarded Americans!

[Anonymous No.16112809]

sure are a lot of economic experts in here

[Anonymous No.16112882]

I'm in Ohio, unemployment benefits max out at $500 per week for an individual, plus an extra $300 per week from the federal government. $800 per week is equivalent to $20 per hour at 40 hours per week. Even if we listen to the "$15 is a living wage" people, the government is offering significantly more than that, then we have to consider that most restaurant workers don't get a full 40 hours per week every week so the hourly wage would have to be even higher than $20 per hour to make up for that fact. There's absolutely no way restaurants can afford to pay all their employees $25-$30 per hour. On top of that, unemployment pays people to sit at home doing nothing except sending out a couple resumes per week while the restaurant job requires dedicating hours of each day to actually working. People who expect businesses to "just pay your workers reasonable wages lol" don't understand how insane unemployment benefits are right now.

[Anonymous No.16112933]

>>16112882
the actual number of people taking advantage of the full range of unemployment benefits is actually pretty small. few people qualify for the full benefits in the first place

the shortage of workers in the service industry is due largely to poor working conditions. ask anyone who has had these jobs, the pay is shitty but the bullshit youre expected to deal from small business tyrants is the straw that breaks the camels back

we all know states are going to reduce benefits soon, the issue right now is everyone trying to negotiate a position before the rug gets pulled from underneath them (again) and people using that leverage to possibly increase their station

[Anonymous No.16113006]

>>16112882
You can't get unemployment if you quit. It's not like people are quitting just to collect unemplotment.

[Anonymous No.16113022]

>>16113006
Furlough counys as unemployment, at least in my state. Though most small businesses laid off their staff instead of furlough when the lock down hit. They're not quitting, it's just that no one is being rehired. And as normal turnover happens, likely worse because of increased workload thanks to staffing shortages, no one is filling the positions.

[Anonymous No.16113039]

>>16112079

"Lazy fucks" don't want to work for shit companies that underpay them. For the first time in their life they can actually take the time to look for a better job without worrying about going homeless before they do.

[Anonymous No.16113052]

>>16113039
> don't want to work for shit companies that underpay
>>16112882
And what everyone else is saying again and again. There is no reason to go back to work, not while the checks keep coming in.

[Anonymous No.16113066]

>>16106698
So American it hurts.

[Anonymous No.16113069]

>boomers supported race-to-the-bottom capitalism for decades
>system is now completely dislodged and in freefall from the first major existential event
>oh no my "small" business cant afford to run without paying slave wages
>im going to have to close down and free up commercial real estate
>those darn millennials, nobody wants to work anymore :(
get fucked boomers, we're getting that money one way or another, you should just be glad it isn't happening with a fucking guillotine

[Anonymous No.16113073]

>>16106730

> What do you MEAN I can't pay my employees poverty wages? If I pay them a reasonable amount, how will I pay myself 6 figures with bonuses!? I ain't taking a pay cut, so I guess it's just time to close the whole business lol

[Anonymous No.16113076]

>>16113069
Unbelievably fucking based

[Anonymous No.16113085]

>>16108055
Ive lived in america my whole life and have never heard of tipping the fucking chef

[Anonymous No.16113096]

>>16113073
if i give the poors an extra 2 dollars an hour, i wont be able to buy a brand new dually truck and zero turn mower for my huge ugly lawn

[Anonymous No.16113102]

>>16106688

> NOT closing because of lack of business

lol, look at this fuckin' flyover. Any business they have is because there are no other options, and their pool of possible employees amounts to a few dozen high school dropouts who didn't move the first chance they got.

[Anonymous No.16113115]

>>16113069
basically this
eat shit boomers try outsourcing your restaurant to the chinks just like you did with everything else lmao

[Anonymous No.16113140]

>>16106688

lol, I looked them up. Consistent health code violations. Proudly anti-mask. Mediocre food. Yeah, I'm sure they were a top-tier business before them damned liberals came along.

[Anonymous No.16113156]

>>16113102
>Any business they have is because there are no other options
Waterville is just a few miles outside the Toledo metropolitan area, a city which is literally among the top 10 most restaurants and bars per capita in the entire country.

[Anonymous No.16113184]

>>16113156

"There ARE options! You just have to dedicate an hour to driving!"

I like how you totally missed the point just to nitpick some subjective bullshit.

[Anonymous No.16113215]

Imagine if most restaurants close.
Amerifats might actually learn to cook for themselves.

[Anonymous No.16113225]

>>16113184
>You just have to dedicate an hour to driving!
???
You have to put it all in context. Everyone has a car, no one has a problem driving 10-15 minutes to go out to eat. Therefore, there are not a lack of options and there is no true captive audience for that diner and your suggestion that all their customers are trapped with no other options is retarded and wrong.

[Anonymous No.16113269]

If the issue is people earning more on unemployment, which by itself isn't much, how is the solution not just pay more? Their food is like pancakes, sandwiches and fried food. None of which is expensive to get ingredients for. What's even more bizarre is they claim to have good amount of business. Seems like they are just slimy owners.

[Anonymous No.16113278]

>>16113225

I like how you deliberately avoided choosing Toledo when that was the basis for your entire irrelevant point.

[Anonymous No.16113280]

>>16108194
It's people's names and availability .

[Anonymous No.16113284]

>>16113269
See: >>16112882
Restaurants can't afford to pay all their workers $25/hr+ to outbid the rate paid by the government for staying home and filing a couple lazy applications each week.

[Anonymous No.16113303]

>>16113284
Most people aren't getting those gigantic employment benefits though. u had to be making that $500 per week before, then get fired/laid off during the pandemic when it started.

I was working part time at an office before. Not working a lot, but enough to get by. I only get $86 + $300 per week. This isn't even $10/hr for me. Point is restaurants don't need to pay $25/hr.

[Anonymous No.16113310]

>>16113278
Perrysburg is part of the Toledo metropolitan area, which is what I said. But even if you were to go all the way up to the Franklin Park neighborhood in Toledo it's still only a 20 minute drive, and there are tons of restaurants everywhere in between.

[Anonymous No.16113318]

>>16113303
they do need to pay that much now, its just how things are now man.
and if that means you are now underpaid, guess what, you have to try to get a raise. its not like you can fight it, you just do the things you can control. Inflation means the pie is bigger, your proportion is smaller, and you now have to fight to maintain your proportion. can't be complacent.

[Anonymous No.16113320]

>>16113310
20 there, find parking, 20 back. That's nearly an hour, fuck boy. Don't you have some grounding exercises you can do when your autism flares up like this?

[Anonymous No.16113333]

>>16113318
>it's just how they are
>dude trust me

[Anonymous No.16113344]

>>16113320
>find parking
Not difficult because every business has parking lots, it's not like going downtown and having to find street parking or some disconnected parking lot blocks away. And I specifically chose Franklin Park because it's the furthest away someone would ever care to go aside from going to certain bars downtown. If you stop in Maumee, Holland, or Sylvania Township then the trip time will be greatly reduced. 20 minutes is the maximum.

[Anonymous No.16113348]

>>16113333
you need to ask for a raise im trying to help you

[Anonymous No.16113388]

>>16113344
>Not difficult because every business has parking lots

Oh my god he's STILL going holy shit

[Anonymous No.16113452]

>>16112882
Ohio just cut the extra $300, doesn't matter though because you've obviously never worked in the restaurant industry. It has nothing to do with the people sitting at home on unemployment, it has everything to do with all the illegals who went to work in other industries and are not coming back or coming back slowly. Now these restaurant owners are freaking out because Marta and Juan who were paid $8/hour won't come back, and it's all the fault of the GUBBAMIT.

[Anonymous No.16113454]

>>16113388
Just admit you were wrong and had no clue what you were talking about.

[Anonymous No.16113457]

>>16113052
Correction. There is no reason to go back to shitty work.

[Anonymous No.16113463]

>>16113454

You've backpedaled every post, my man.

[Anonymous No.16113464]

>>16113452
>illegals
>in Ohio
I can see this being a problem on the coasts or southwest, but the midwest doesn't really have an illegal worker issue at all.

[Anonymous No.16113470]

>>16111093
Maybe it's not unemployment thats too high, but wages that are too low.

[Anonymous No.16113479]

>>16113463
Nah, you just keep moving the goalposts and thinking it's a victory.
>Waterville is only a few miles from the Toledo metropolitan area.
>But you have to drive an hour!
>It's 10 minutes to the middle of Perrysburg, which is part of the Toledo metropolitan area.
>But that's not really Toledo!
>Okay, it's a 20 minute drive to the FURTHEST part of the city with tons of places to go anywhere in between.
>Heh, that's 40 minutes of driving which is almost an hour. Checkmate.

[Anonymous No.16113488]

>>16113464
The major cities are full of "legal" illegals: people who got in on temporary visas and worker plans, got bullied into being paid below min wage in exchange for longer shifts, and overstayed their legal status because they were still making more money than back home in some mutli-national-owned tax-dodging factory.

[Anonymous No.16113504]

>>16113452
Illegals AND transients, not to say the two don't overlap sometimes. Anyone who's worked in a restaurant long-term is familiar with those guys who just suddenly miss a shift and disappear off the face of the earth.
The difference now is that even the normalfags who felt obligated to always show up no matter how hungover or stoned they were, are not showing up.

[Anonymous No.16113573]

>>16113464
Just google ohio and illegal immigration, plenty of examples of illegals. You show me a place where there's agricultural work or low-wage factory work like meat processing, and 100% of the time they'll have illegals. Also 100% of the time the owners will be die-hard small-government conservatives, funny how that works out.

>>16113504
No clue where you've been working but I've never seen a normal fag working in the dish pit ever. Maybe as a server, but in the back it's illegals and hipsters and the ratio skews illegal the further you get away from the cities.

[Anonymous No.16113593]

>>16113463
>>16113479
i followed the whole argument and this guy

>>16113388
was in the right
other guy should get a grip

[Anonymous No.16113595]

>>16113464
I hope this is bait and that you aren't actually that retarded.

[Anonymous No.16113600]

>>16113479
Kek

[Anonymous No.16113605]

>>16113593
Go back to plebbit, wrongoid

[Anonymous No.16113615]

>pay people for doing nothing
>they do nothing
I'm not an economist but this seems like an obvious outcome

[Anonymous No.16113616]

>>16112882
>>16106688
>If you are eligible to receive unemployment, your weekly benefit rate in Ohio will be 50% of your average weekly wage
The break even point would be if they were making $600/week, or $15/hour. Pay more if you want to hire people.

It's funny how conservatives love MUH FREE MARKET and MUH CAPITALAMISM until they have to negotiate with labor that has any power behind it.

[Not a shill from /pol/ No.16113629]

>>16106696
I know a couple dudes that made more money on unemployment than they did before they were furloughed.

[Not a shill from /pol/ No.16113632]

>>16112366
You must be 18 or older to post here.

[Anonymous No.16113641]

>>16113605
sorry bud but you lost, you don't have to accept it or like it...but it is what it is

[Anonymous No.16113648]

>>16111093
If wages are low enough to the point where people rather get benefits, there needs to be a change in wages. If you aren’t being paid more than the unemployed you need a raise as well

[Anonymous No.16113655]

>>16113616
>It's funny how conservatives love MUH FREE MARKET and MUH CAPITALAMISM
Yes, and this is government intervention fuckery.

[Anonymous No.16113679]

>>16112342
Retard, watch pic related.

[Anonymous No.16113691]

>>16106794
why doesn't the government just pay the employee ubi and then the person can suck it up and work

[Anonymous No.16113731]

>>16113679
>it's le jooooooos!
nice try /pol/tard

[Anonymous No.16113888]

>>16106699
>>16106709
>>16106731
>>16106938
Here's another angle that doesn't get much playtime: Some people ENJOY working fast food or in the food service industry. Yes hard to get a grip on, I know. Some people are fulfilled working at five guys, mcds, Wendy's, waiting tables, bartending, hosting, etc.

They just want to be paid a livable wage.

[Anonymous No.16113940]

>I want a livable wage
>don't be a racist we need more immigrants
I notice a lot of lefties seem to hold these two thoughts.

[Anonymous No.16113942]

>>16106699
>free market
>tips
pick one. tipping is basically communism.

[Anonymous No.16113956]

>>16113888
there's tons of shit that people would rather do if they could just get paid for it. that just isn't reality.

[Anonymous No.16114024]

>>16112882
They don't need to compete with unemployment stimulus because:
1. While on unemployment you're required to look for work and submit proof for places you've applied
2. If you refuse a job offer, your unemployment ends
3. Furloughed workers must return to work if asked or unemployment ends
4. Anything else is fraud and will result in repayment/wage garnishment plus a percentage fine on top of it
There are some exceptions depending on the state, but they almost always require proof (ie offered work is not suitable/safe requires proof)

The red states are just pushing the age-old red scare/reaganomic welfare queen to keep their minimum wage employees in poverty and in line. Rug pulling the federal unemployment benefits is going to backfire once they realize they've literally just killed the stimulus that's driving the increased demand for restaurant work to begin with.

[Anonymous No.16114033]

>>16106696
Damn republicans refusing to operate at a loss

[Anonymous No.16114036]

>>16114024
Red states are so horrible so stop coming here you blue state cucks.

[Anonymous No.16114044]

>>16114024
>keep their minimum wage employees in poverty

As it should be. Pay them just barely enough to keep them hopeful and avoid destructive rioting.

[Anonymous No.16114049]

That was a ride, not one but two threads about low wage bitching. Sorry, back to work.

[Anonymous No.16114053]

>>16114024
>1. While on unemployment you're required to look for work and submit proof for places you've applied
they waived that requirement in most places over a year ago

[Anonymous No.16114055]

>>16114036
True. Ironically the red states are the true welfare states who suckle at the teat of blue states who actually bring in income.

[Anonymous No.16114073]

>>16114053
Most states have reinstated the requirement, my state starts in two weeks. Seems like a better first option than removing potential stimulus for your local economy.

[Anonymous No.16114075]

>>16114055
Ahh yes, all those red cities full of republican voting blacks.

[Anonymous No.16114080]

>>16114044
>keep their minimum wage employees in poverty
>As it should be
>wow why do these fast food workers suck so much ass? why do they have no work ethic, always get my order wrong and serve me cold, mangled burgers? we should pay them even less!
retard alert

[Anonymous No.16114087]

>>16114075
Correct

[Anonymous No.16114088]

>>16114080
>ye olde days
>one salary can pay for a house and family
>women enter the work force
>keep voting for more immigrants in the work force
>wtf why are my wages stagnate?

[Anonymous No.16114099]

>>16114088
>keep voting for republicans who hire illegals and slave labor from other countries because they're cheaper than Americans
Hmm, really gets the noggin' a joggin'

[Anonymous No.16114102]

>>16114080
Burger flippers are now only a stop-gap measure, kept in place til fully automated fast food kitchens become a reality. Then we'll be rid of them forever. In the meantime, we 'll have to continue to endure the hardship of improperly prepared fast food.

On a side note, McDonalds is building some restaurants that are drive-thru only. The perfect gate-keeper, since those without cars cannot order. This trend, combined with automation will one day ensure we'll never have to interact with or even see people we don't like again.

[Anonymous No.16114104]

>>16114087
Quality graph. I'm sure it's an accurate representation of the story because we all know every person in a state votes the same.
And I love it when the left suddenly loves sucking the dick of their 1% overlords to brag how good their state is. If it's so good, stay there please.

[Anonymous No.16114107]

>>16114024
this not hard to fake
t. professional centrelink dolebludger

[Anonymous No.16114111]

>>16114104
It is

[Anonymous No.16114115]

>>16114107
Easy to fake, easy to get busted for fraud.

[Anonymous No.16114126]

>>16114111
Normally you guys have to fudge the numbers by showing it as a percentage of state income tax. Because blue states have much higher state income tax, the denominator is bigger which makes it appear to have a much smaller %. That graph is rather boring if you notice most states however around the mean of $1,700 with a variance of only $50. I still reiterate my premise, please stay at your blue states. Us red states are horrible after all.

[Anonymous No.16114149]

>>16114111
Why would anyone want to move away from such paradises of federal contribution to join the horrible conservative leeches?

[Anonymous No.16114157]

>>16114044
>Pay them just barely enough to keep them hopeful and avoid destructive rioting.
recent experience shows that whatever that number is, it's higher than current min wage.

[Anonymous No.16114161]

>>16114126
Yeah, the red welfare states are getting a little boring, I agree

[Anonymous No.16114162]

If you don't pay people anything, how will they go on to buy stuff? Wouldn't an increase to the minimum wage increase economic velocity as retarded antifa kids and braindead niglets spend their newfound wages on timbs and nintendos?

[Anonymous No.16114170]

>>16114162
You're absolutely right

[Anonymous No.16114175]

>>16114161
now is this like equilization in canada, which is effectively a tax return, or is this a value worth noting?

[Anonymous No.16114179]

>>16114161
There it is! I knew you had it.

[Anonymous No.16114184]

>>16112882
I've been telling people, normies want covid to last forever because of dat CERB and it fulfills their hero complexes. they get to sit at home collecting money for nothing and getting to call themselves heroes for sitting around fapping, and who can blame them for wanting that to continue?

[Anonymous No.16114185]

>>16114161
Is this including federal subsidies for middle American farmers who are tasked with supplying all the overbloated coastal cities with food? If so, you're welcome.

[Anonymous No.16114189]

>>16114185
Why don't those farmers just LEARN TO CODE if they want to make money??

[Anonymous No.16114197]

>>16114185
The ones hiring illegals for less than minimum wage? Yeah, those ones.

[Anonymous No.16114200]

>>16114157
You have to factor in policing levels and quality of policing as well. The riots occurred, were sparked by poor quality policing. Had the cops simply left George to expire from his panic attack in the back seat of the police car, or carted him off to jail promptly, his death would have been ascribed to a drug reaction and no fucks given. Then further rioting and looting was permitted because cops held back and simply stood around, tried containment as opposed to suppression while looters ran rampant.

The less you pay the more difficult it is to keep the plebs in their places, but it can be done quite effectively.

[Anonymous No.16114201]

>>16114175
All the states with lower percentages simply have higher income taxes. Every state could be getting exactly the same number of dollars but the percentages would still change.

[Anonymous No.16114202]

>>16114175
Please note the graph was made in 2010. Prior to 2017, you can deduct your state income tax from your federal income tax. That will highly skew results especially when % is based on state general revenue.

[Anonymous No.16114203]

>>16114197
The only true minimum wage is $0, friend.

[Anonymous No.16114210]

>>16114203
Ah no. The true minimum wage, as shown in the cases of unpaid internships, is the cost of going to and from such "jobs" as borne by the intern.

The true minimum wage in such cases can be calculated in minus dollars per hour.

[Anonymous No.16114217]

>>16114201
>all of the states taking more than they contribute are contributing less so that's why it looks this way
That's entirely the point, ya dolt. This is some Qultist-tier mental gymnastics.

[Anonymous No.16114225]

>>16114200
>he actually thinks all riots and anger are a direct result of muh floyd
ngmi

>>16114210
>>16114203
have you guys never heard of paid internships? As in it's an internship where you pay the company for the privilege

[Anonymous No.16114230]

>>16114217
>he doesn't know how taxes work
figures

[Anonymous No.16114236]

>>16114225
>he actually thinks all riots and anger are a direct result of muh floyd
>ngmi

George was the catalyst that began the cycle. He became literally, the poster boy.

[Anonymous No.16114241]

>>16114230
Gaslight me harder Ivan

[Anonymous No.16114243]

>>16114161
idk about anyone else but i never trust graphs like these. with the wide variance in economic activities and the wild differences in tax bases and codes relating to those activities, a simple "LOL THIS STATE SUBSIDIZED" doesn't really say much useful.

Especially when the differences in percentage points are no wider than 10%, in a cunt with a GDP of gorillions, and somehow the difference between a state with low taxes mostly doing primary industry versus a state with high taxes but tons of tax-dodging high value software companies is only 5%

[Anonymous No.16114246]

>>16114236
The media would have found another one. Plenty of options to choose when most are drugged up and resist arrest. They tried really hard with the Stop Asian Hate crap, but less supply.

[Anonymous No.16114250]

>>16114236
>George was the catalyst that began the cycle.
but there were routine riots and tons of antifa bullshit even before he made the news, and there has been for three or four years?

Shit nigger the very existence of your cunt is predicated on a big chimp-out over tea taxes

[Anonymous No.16114253]

>>16114243
Good job anon, you know how to think. You are the opposite target market of those graphs.

[Anonymous No.16114254]

>>16114243
>NOOOOO YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE WELFARE QUEENS!
>CLEARLY WE CAN'T TRUST THE FACTS, THE FACTS MUST BE WRONG!
kek every time

[Anonymous No.16114264]

>>16114253
>Congratulations anon, you've taken the bluepill, the exact opposite target market of facts and the truth. Keep fighting the good fight, brother!

[Anonymous No.16114267]

>>16114254
Watch out anons, he's pulling out the "memes" and ad homs

[Anonymous No.16114274]

>>16114254
A fact being correct does not mean it's the only relevant fact or that it tells the whole story. It's like mapping out average summer temperatures in each state and then declaring that the hottest states must be the ones contributing most to global warming. What? That's not correct? ARE YOU DOUBTING THE FACT THAT NEVADA HAS THE HOTTEST SUMMERS?!!

[Anonymous No.16114279]

>>16114274
Wow look at this science denier here. Listen and believe anon. The science is settled.

[Anonymous No.16114286]

>>16114267

[Anonymous No.16114296]

>>16114274
>red states contribute the least and take the most in federal aid
>HOOOOLD ON THERE PAL, THERE'S MORE TO THIS. IT ACTUALLY MEANS THAT BLUE STATES ARE THE TRUE WELFARE STATES BECAUSE I DON'T TRUST THE NUMBERS
Yeah yeah, Trump won the election, COVID was a hoax and you've had sex. Yawn.

[Anonymous No.16114307]

>>16114254
>>16114264
>>16114286
>>16114296
what if the true welfare state is the absolute state of all us lads & fags

[Anonymous No.16114316]

Trannies this is your mindset

[Anonymous No.16114324]

>>16114307
>what if the true welfare state is a bunch of alt-right NEET incels LARPing as business owners on a cooking board
Rightists projecting and making hypocritical statements? Impossible! They have principles!

[Anonymous No.16114328]

>>16114316
Meanwhile the alt-right incel mindset

[Anonymous No.16114332]

>>16114324
i don't even live in america, man

[Anonymous No.16114341]

>>16114332
We know, Igor.

[Anonymous No.16114364]

>>16114328

Kill yourself dil87

[Anonymous No.16114369]

>>16114328
Fucking die

[Anonymous No.16114370]

>>16114364

[Anonymous No.16114377]

>>16114370
Die

[Anonymous No.16114383]

>>16114377

[Anonymous No.16114389]

>>16114383
FUCKING DIE

[Anonymous No.16114394]

>>16114377
>>16114389
Are all Danes this deathly obsessed with trannies or what?

[Anonymous No.16114406]

>>16114394
>>16114383
>>16114370
>>16114328
I HOPE YOU BLEWD OUT WHEN DILATING

[Anonymous No.16114417]

>>16114394
Most danes are mentally ill so it makes sense that he's having a meltdown desu

[Anonymous No.16114606]

>>16114406
i own THREE dragon dildos. i am unstoppable

[Anonymous No.16115650]

>>16110515
>retaining only a few vital staff with higher salaries.
>with higher salaries.
Funny that you think this.
I agree otherwise. We're running into a problem: there's not enough real work left to do. How do you distribute wages if people can't sell their work?