Sugar vs Honey

[Anonymous No.16370162]

Why would anyone use sugar over honey? Honey has actual health benefits beyond just spiking blood sugar levels like what sugar does. And honey isn’t that expensive either. replace all sugar with honey

[Anonymous No.16370164]

>>16370162
Honey contains sugar. Mind-blowing, right?

[Anonymous No.16370175]

>>16370164
No it doesn’t. Sugar is sucrose. Honey is fructose + glucose + water. Honey actually has vitamins in it like vit C, D, Magnesium. Sugar has nothing

[Anonymous No.16370179]

>>16370175
Fructose and glucose are sugars.

[Anonymous No.16370227]

>>16370162
processed sugar is a poison
"sugar" in fruit is healthy
real honey is healthy

processed sugar should not even be called sugar.

[Anonymous No.16370230]

>>16370162
they taste different

[Anonymous No.16370241]

>>16370162
1 kilogram sugar is $1, honey is $7.
Big difference anon.

[Anonymous No.16370247]

For starters, sugar is a lot fucking easier to work with and a gigantic diabetes inducing bag of it costs nothing.

[Anonymous No.16370770]

>>16370175
Sucrose is literally a disaccharide of fructose+glucose.

[Anonymous No.16370830]

>>16370162
Based. Also check out molasses, maple syrup, and agave
>>16370164
Idiot

[Anonymous No.16370839]

>>16370162
I always use honey instead of processed sugar. Always tastes better. Has never let me down, not even once.

[Anonymous No.16370854]

Honey is from nature. Sugar is from big corp. your choice fellas

[Anonymous No.16370877]

>>16370162
honey is chemically identical to HFCS

[Anonymous No.16370882]

>>16370877
>eat HFCS, feet go numb
>pig out on honey all day, feel fine
Sure, big ag shill. Whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.16370883]

>>16370854
based


I kind of hate bees cause they fucked up my life. But honey is perfection

[Anonymous No.16370964]

>>16370162
honey doesn't have health benefits outside of eating local raw honey to help with seasonal allergies. at the end of the day it is just invert sugars.

[Anonymous No.16370970]

>>16370964
This is a lie. It also provides probiotics and it is a wonderful source of natural energy boosting.

[Anonymous No.16370971]

>>16370964
>outside of eating local raw honey to help with seasonal allergies
this is a myth
>. at the end of the day it is just invert sugars.
and this is wrong.
there are objective health benefits of eating honey over processed sugar.

[Anonymous No.16370972]

>>16370883
>I kind of hate bees cause they fucked up my life.
weak genes

[Anonymous No.16370987]

>>16370877
Unless you’re getting shitty, non pure, non raw honey, I’m not sure how you think that. The fact is that raw honey is completely natural and has been part of the human diet for 200,000* years. Some shitty American company sells HFCS is equivalent to that?

[Anonymous No.16370992]

[Anonymous No.16370995]

>>16370162
I cooked a "duck magret au orange" and used honey to make it sweeter 10/10 would use again

[Anonymous No.16371002]

>>16370971
like what retard

[Anonymous No.16371033]

>>16371002
Bro don’t you know that honey is so powerful hospitals actually put honey on cuts and wounds? Do you think sugar can do that? Do you think sugar is the same then?

ITT: people scared to admit that eating honey sugar CAN be good and healthy in natural quantities. Not regular explosions of processed sugar. Put the cake down, eat spoon fulls of honey 1x a week

[Anonymous No.16371039]

>>16370162
All food spikes blood sugar levels.

[Anonymous No.16371040]

>>16371002
>they know. Shut it down.
>sends in big ag shill to cast doubt

[Anonymous No.16371041]

who else here is a dark brown sugar chad?

[Anonymous No.16371042]

>>16371033
>>16371040
not an answer

[Anonymous No.16371048]

>>16371042
To be fair I misread your comment as "what a retard". Im not op anyway.

[Anonymous No.16371050]

>>16370162
Hmm why do people use things that taste different for different things? I dunno lol.

[Anonymous No.16371053]

>>16371033
my brub brub honey is good, off course if you over eat it you're retarded and it is bad for you, but don't treat it as some kind of miracle shit, good for colds, feber, etc

[Anonymous No.16371059]

>>16371053
*fever

[Anonymous No.16371079]

>>16371050
Imagine caring about taste over function. Or believing you cant achieve taste with function. Sugar shills on their last breath here.

[Anonymous No.16371083]

>>16371053
I mean tbf, the bible, Koran and the Torah worship honey lol

[Anonymous No.16371086]

>>16371083
I wouldn't be surprised if ancient medicine used it extenssively, but haven't heard of a single account though

[Anonymous No.16371136]

>>16370972
Not me, my mother was a bee keeper for 30 years. Unknown to the doctors and herself she developed a bee allergy. Got stung one day like any other and didn't wake up the next. Honey is nice though, I'll always like honey.

[Anonymous No.16371149]

>>16370162
Who uses so much sugar that it spikes blood sugar levels. Not me. But I use both. Sugar for coffee, honey for tea.

[Anonymous No.16371159]

>>16371136
damn son, that's fucked up, sorry for your loss anon

[Anonymous No.16371193]

>>16371136
Damn rip. When was this?

[Anonymous No.16371231]

>>16370175
This anon doesn't understand chemistry

[Anonymous No.16371237]

[Anonymous No.16371238]

>>16371231
>(SCIENCE)
>HAHA I JUST PROVED HONEY AND SIMPLE SUGAR ARE THE SAME

[Anonymous No.16371266]

>>16370770
There is a difference between sucrose and glucose+fructose tho

[Anonymous No.16371301]

>>16371041
Palm sugar is the ultimate chad sugar

[Anonymous No.16372192]

>>16370830
How am I an idiot, you stupid nigger? What do you think makes honey sweet?

[Anonymous No.16372200]

>>16370162
>Honey has actual health benefits
no it doesn't.

> And honey isn’t that expensive either.
real honey is. cheap honey is mostly corn syrup.

[Anonymous No.16372524]

>>16372200
Raw honey isn’t that expensive, at least not in the U.K if you go local

[Anonymous No.16372526]

>>16372524
It's still 10 times or more as expensive as sugar, to which it is functionally equivalent in many applications

[Anonymous No.16372577]

>>16372526
Functionally equivalent? Maybe in terms of how it handles in the cooking process, but not in how it is digested. I would say they are functionally opposites.

[Anonymous No.16372579]

>>16370162
Both contain significant fructose content which can cause NAFLD, diabetes and more at high doses. The difference with fruit is the fructose is less concentrated and gets consumed with fiber which will slow the rate at which it hits your liver if all of it even gets there before being broken down by the bacteria in your GI tract

[Anonymous No.16372586]

>>16372577
They're the same, you nutjob.

[Anonymous No.16372595]

>he wants to consume bee cum

[Anonymous No.16372609]

>>16372577
>but not in how it is digested
it's fucking sugar dude it's still bad for you

[Anonymous No.16372612]

>>16370175
Based retard

[Anonymous No.16372614]

>>16372586
>>16372609
The body breaks down different sugars differently. Barely has mono, di, and poly saccharides for example. In terms of digestion, they really have next to no similarities except that eventually the body does turn the one into the other through great effort and sugar consumption as fuel

[Anonymous No.16372622]

>>16372614
They're calories
Sure, the mechanisms of digestion might mean honey is marginally, MARGINALLY harder to digest
It doesn't make a shred of overall difference when considering the quantities in which a person eats sugar

[Anonymous No.16372630]

>>16372614
you gonna fuckin talk about your detox shakes next, loser? gonna get your chakras blitzed? your humors leeched?
"in terms of digestion" like that fucking means anything lmao

[Anonymous No.16372636]

>>16372622
Marginally times an exponential amount adds up and no it isn't marginally it is about 90% better

[Anonymous No.16372638]

>>16372630
Idk the other stuff but leeches are based. Imagine not blood letting as a male or post menopausal woman

[Anonymous No.16372641]

>>16372636
90% better? What the fuck are you trying to say?
Paying 10x as much to dodge 10 calories a day is some retarded shit, my guy

[Anonymous No.16372642]

>>16370162
Sugar is much easier to work with

[Anonymous No.16372643]

>>16372638
based?
based on what?

[Anonymous No.16372645]

>>16372614
Next are you gonna tell us sugary sodas are fine but HFCS sodas are terrible?

[Anonymous No.16372646]

>>16372641
Meaning the sugar itself impacts your body 10% or less as negatively
>>16372643
What?

[Anonymous No.16372676]

>>16372646
He's talking shit fructose is fructose. It doesn't matter if its bound to glucose or not your body breaks that bond in a second with minimal effort. The difference maker would potentially be if you consume it with fiber.

[Anonymous No.16372679]

>>16372646
Nice number you decided to pull out your ass for us; what else do you keep up there?

[Anonymous No.16372685]

>>16370162
Honey has a bad taste, one that is fairly strong too.

[Anonymous No.16372689]

>>16372676
Incorrect because you sum up minimal effort when in reality as I already said it consumes a great deal of the glucose it is making in order to break down the rest of the polysaccharide. You can debate all day but the fact is: barley or rice or oats is the best thing you can eat, and table sugar and HFCS are the worst thing you can eat.
And the confusion over them having the same name has lead humans to entirely forget their roots as grain eaters because big ag introduced a literal disgusting paste with no similarities and call it syrup and sugar.

[Anonymous No.16372703]

Eat bees.

[Anonymous No.16372706]

>>16372689
it is currently real schizo hours

[Anonymous No.16372711]

>>16372706
Imagine diagnosing someone online with western psychology standards invented by jews. KYS psychologist

[Anonymous No.16372717]

>>16372711
that's, uh, not making you look any saner, bruv.

[Anonymous No.16372725]

>>16372717
Two ad hominems in a row
>REEEEE I RAN OUT OF TALKING POINTS FROM DR OZ I CANT DEBATE ANYMORE BUT HE KEEPS TALKING SO ILL CALL HIM INSANE SCHIZO
ok

[Anonymous No.16372747]

>>16372725
shouting incoherent schizo nonsense isn't exactly a debate senpai
yes this is ad hominem but your rants have been nothing but magical thinking and non sequiteur, so.

[Anonymous No.16372754]

>>16372747
glad you admit it you jew rat. Again go kick rocks. Youre a sugar shill here to push shit. Go collect your paycheck from nestle.

[Anonymous No.16372780]

>>16370162
Based. Instead of eating chocolate or sweets during the day I've been making a bowl of porridge with whole milk, honey and almonds. Hits the spot, but it's good food. Incredibly filling too.

Also; only drink water, tea/coffee (no sugar) and alcoholic beverages. Anything else is jewry.

[Anonymous No.16372806]

>>16370162
>try to make candy using honey instead of sugar
>burns horribly
>oh shit
That's why you fuck. I put honey on crackers and use it in middle-eastern and asian recipes. It has its limits.

[Anonymous No.16372810]

>>16372689
>I already said it consumes a great deal of the glucose it is making in order to break down the rest of the polysaccharide.
You can "say" whatever you want but the biochemistry shows you to be wrong. Regardless of the glucose consumed to do this which is small the whole dose of fructose will still hit your liver if you drink sucrose, HFCS, or honey it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.16372834]

>>16372810
Same for you pal. You can "say" whatever but where are your sources?
I am going by McDougall "the starch solution". Now give me your citations.
No I don't have the exact percentage of glucose consumed by the break down of polysaccharides but what I do have are: a nutritionist who says honey and grains are healthy, and who says table sugar and HFCS are the worst.
The two nutritionists I trust are Dr McDougall and Dr Axe. Both say honey good, table sugar bad.

[Anonymous No.16372836]

>>16370162
Honey and sugar are equally harmful to your body. Sugar is cheaper.

[Anonymous No.16372841]

>>16372836
Simply not true. But pepsi and nestle sneed you to believe this

[Anonymous No.16372871]

>>16372834
You're missing the point, I'm saying the fructose load on the liver is going to be roughly equivalent whether or not the fructose is bound to glucose like in honey or just free fructose like in HFCS.
>The two nutritionists I trust are Dr McDougall and Dr Axe. Both say honey good, table sugar bad.
This is an argument from authority and not valid. By that logic Dr. Johnson & John Yudkin & Dr. Lustig all say that fructose is toxic at high doses therefore they are correct. No they are correct because of the data supporting their hypothesis. I'm not a biochemist or endocrinologist so link below will explain the problem better than you or I ever could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y

[Anonymous No.16372877]

>>16372841
Except he's right. Honey, sucrose, HFCS are all terrible for you at high doses one is just cheaper than the others in the US because of corn subsidies so it gets put into everything.

[Anonymous No.16372890]

>>16370162
It's more expensive and more inconvenient to use. Duh.

[Anonymous No.16372914]

>>16370175
You should check out palm sugar m8.

[Anonymous No.16372918]

>>16372841
>muh magical bee sugar

[Anonymous No.16372971]

>>16370162
It doesn't work as well in some baked dishes like cookies. My mom went on a replace all sugar with honey kick when I was growing up and her cooking suffered for it.

[Anonymous No.16373117]

>>16372871
>>16372877
>>16372918
Not into arguing with low iq /fit/ retards and soda shills. So I'll leave picrel here for anyone who cares about the truth and will follow up, unlike these steroid junkies. Amazing how offended people get by truth.
>muh I replaced whole grains with soda

[Anonymous No.16373184]

>>16373117
Post link. And while obviously whole foods > refined grains and sugars, if you are already diabetic a low carb diet is a much more effective treatment

[Anonymous No.16373205]

>>16373184
I mean bro..its one news letter. You want real info at least watch his talk called "the starch solution" but anyway here:
https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2006nl/sept/sugar.htm

[Anonymous No.16373216]

>>16373184
And yes i realize he lists honey and agave as simple sugar. I dont agree with that classification.
Here's dr axe on honey saying how great it is over sugar
https://draxe.com/nutrition/the-many-health-benefits-of-raw-honey/

[Anonymous No.16373236]

>>16370175
You can convert sucrose to fructose + glucose on your stove, they call it inverse sugar.

[Anonymous No.16373356]

>>16373205
>>16373216
It would take me too long to go through and explain all of the misconceptions in these so I will just leave you with a comparison of the low fat vegan diet and a low carb diet for T2DM treatment.
"Forty-three percent (21 of 49) of the vegan group and 26% (13 of 50) of the ADA group participants reduced diabetes medications. Including all participants, HbA(1c) (A1C) decreased 0.96 percentage points in the vegan group and 0.56 points in the ADA group (P = 0.089). Excluding those who changed medications, A1C fell 1.23 points in the vegan group compared with 0.38 points in the ADA group (P = 0.01)."
So we have short (22 weeks), small sample size (~50 people) using a vegan low fat diet producing small A1C reduction and less than half of people reducing presumably metformin and or exogenous insulin use
Heres a trial ~4x the length and ~7x the participants and much better results
"resolution of diabetes (reversal, 53.5%; remission, 17.6%) in the CCI group but not in UC. All the reported improvements had p < 0.00012."
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2019.00348/full

Above is a result conserved by other studies with similar findings. The ketogenic diet is also probably the most studied dietary intervention

[Anonymous No.16373372]

>>16373356
>YOUR A VEGAN
guess again. Just because I recognize humans are primarily starch eater, aka mono, di, poly saccharides, doesnt mean I dont eat meat. How did not eating pasteurized simple sugars turn into vegan? Yea maybe mcdougall is vegan but even he recognizes the importance of meat 3 or 4 times a year in his talk, which i think is a little low unless you get eggs or something

[Anonymous No.16373387]

>>16373372
the vegan diet was also low fat which was the point of the comparison you could also do a meat eating low fat diet and the result would likely be the same

[Anonymous No.16373392]

>>16373387
Fat is arguably the worst thing for you. Fat and simple sugars. And yes I know SOME lipids are needed but most are empty calories

[Anonymous No.16373408]

>>16373392
No point in arguing with a brick wall guess. Have a nice life. When your mom gets diabetes tell her to eat as much carbs as possible and just inject all the insulin she needs until they chop her leg off

[Anonymous No.16373419]

>>16373408
>still thinks all carbs are the same
>arguing with a brick wall
Got that right

[Anonymous No.16373426]

>>16373419
You are literally creating straw-men over and over again or you missed the part where I wrote
>obviously whole foods > refined grains and sugars
>>16373184

[Anonymous No.16373427]

Bzzzzz i lovr this thread

[Anonymous No.16373433]

>>16373427
they also quite like diabetic urine because of how sweet it is

[Anonymous No.16373435]

bee syrup

[Anonymous No.16373441]

>>16373419
And yes all carbs are the same in the sense that they all stimulate a significant insulin response relative to dietary fat. However higher GI carbs or when consumed without fiber the glucose spike and subsequent insulin spike will be larger even if the AUC is the same

[Anonymous No.16373443]

>>16373426
And then you went on to still say carbs cause diabetes. Idk bro. I linked 2 experts who say otherwise. I have a high iq and im a scientist and I say otherwise. I know others who say otherwise. I guess you do you. Im eating oats whether I am diabetic or not. I doubt ill get diabetic from oats and honey. You can continue to beliebe otherwise.

[Anonymous No.16373446]

>eat sucrose, i.e. glucose and fructose stuck together
>it breaks down into glucose and fructose in your small intestine and is absorbed into your blood as glucose and fructose which are processed into energy

>eat invert sugar like honey or HFCS (i.e. glucose and fructose separately)
>the glucose and fructose are absorbed into your blood in the small intestine and processed into energy

It's the same shit.

[Anonymous No.16373450]

>>16373446
Wrong. The second scenario literally doesn't need processed. Remove that lie and then youre right. Why do they have different impact on blood sugar levels if this is true?
Soda shills gonna be the death of me I can stop with truth

[Anonymous No.16373460]

>>16373443
are you suggesting they dont? if they dont cause diabetes you have to explain the huge literature of carbohydrate restriction that improves diabetes much more significantly than the low fat diet as I showed and once again back your argument from authority that you love so much

[Anonymous No.16373467]

>>16373460
You didnt show any such thing. McDougall says himself to switch to an ALL starch diet if youre diabetic, such as potato. And you'll be off your meds soon.

[Anonymous No.16373473]

>>16371041
in america brown is just white sugar with molasses added in

[Anonymous No.16373486]

>>16373467
(reversal, 53.5%; remission, 17.6%)
that is to say most people completely reversed their type 2 diabetes and got off all meds. you have no data with such effects therefor you are wrong

[Anonymous No.16373506]

>>16373486
Did I say I have an issue with keto faggot? Id never do that shit and its dumb because all the side effects but of course it clears diabetes. I am only continuing to argue because youre like an idiot telling me starches can do the same

[Anonymous No.16373522]

>>16373506
Can not*

[Anonymous No.16373554]

>>16373506
they can't as I have shown but once again I'm sure you will create some straw men to destroy

[Anonymous No.16373566]

>>16373554
>shows keto works
>therefore your way cant also work
Ok bud this is exceedingly low iq at this point

[Anonymous No.16373600]

>>16373566
>starches can do the same
your words not mine, they do not work as well as ketogenic diets this is backed up by the data. next straw man please

[Anonymous No.16373609]

>>16373600
Yes those are my words. I never compared it to ketogenic that was you, I would never do organfailureketogenic diet, wow cures diabetes and causes heart failure 3 years later, great!
McDougall has data too I just dont feel like looking it up because im not here to argue. People can DYOR. I told them the truth tellers. The ones to listen to. The diets to study. The best way to live. Its starches. They store better. They're more environmentally friendly. They are healthier. They have all the protein and fat you need and surprise the carbs arent as bad as these crazy keto fags told you

[Anonymous No.16373641]

>>16373609
>I told them the truth tellers. The ones to listen to.
More useless arguments from authority
>The best way to live. Its starches.
Best? The populations who ate mostly animal products and or higher fat diets (Masai, Inuit, Tokulau, etc) were much stronger and healthier than those subsisting on grains and starches. In addition many large studies have shown replacing fat with carbohydrate, even healthy carbohydrates worsens diabetes, heart disease, and more. See Womens Health Initiative, MRFIT, and some others
>wow cures diabetes and causes heart failure 3 years later, great!
There is no evidence to support this and to the contrary many heart transplant patients are put on ketogenic diets because the heart can use ketones. Most if not all CVD risk factors also improve more on ketogenic diet relative to lower fat diets. Virta has done studies on this at 1 and 2 years with their 5 year raw data also available.
Also relevant:
“Taken together, the evidence from both cohort studies and randomized trials does not support the assertion that further restriction of dietary saturated fat will reduce clinical [cardiovascular] events.”

“Whole-fat dairy, unprocessed meat, eggs and dark chocolate are SFA[saturated-fatty acid]-rich foods with a complex matrix that are not associated with increased risk of CVD. The totality of available evidence does not support further limiting the intake of such foods.”

“…dietary effects on CVD risk may not be reliably reflected by changes in LDL-cholesterol levels...”

“…the amount of circulating SFAs [saturated fatty acids] in blood is not related to saturated fat intake from the diet but instead tends to track more closely with dietary carbohydrate intake”
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0735109720356874?via%3Dihub
Even most critics of ketogenic diets don't try to contend they will worsen CVD outcome because there are no data to support that and ample data refuting it.

[Anonymous No.16373650]

>>16373609
>surprise the carbs arent as bad as these crazy keto fags told you
If you are already insulin resistant (pre-/diabetic), this is likely the majority of the US pop., telling them to eat significant quantities of carbohydrate is like telling somebody allergic to almonds to continue eating them and just use their epi-pen when they inevitably go into anaphylaxis

[Anonymous No.16373658]

>>16373641
Big dairy/beef shill i imagine. I'm done here. Youre certainly not the "from authority" to listen to. I am not willing to cite things as I said and you feel that means you win the argument I never had. Please obsessed weirdo stop at'ing me

[Anonymous No.16373660]

>>16370162
Bake a cake with honey as sugar replacement. A) it will taste like ass B) The cake will not rise/cook correctly and 3) pure cane sugar is delicious. Enjoy in moderation.

[Anonymous No.16373664]

>>16373650
It's not true. Again carb describes two totally different and basically opposite foods. The truth in what youre saying is those people will go eat the wrong type of carb. But the falsehood is if they did just eat barley and a very occasional piece of fish their diabetes would clear up virtually every time for McDougall

[Anonymous No.16373673]

>>16373668
You have data for short term small population keto studies to make crazy conclusions. Enjoy living off fats. Keep telling yourself you're the normal one. Alexander the great and ghenghis khan conquered the world on grains, and you think fat is what people have been living off. Nah

[Anonymous No.16373682]

Fat doesn't store
Fat is extremely resource intensive to produce, first you produce starch, then feed it to the animal, raise them, then get a little fat.
Fat is not complete, your body can adapt but its doing just that. Ketosis isnt healthy

[Anonymous No.16373683]

>>16373664
I didn't come up with that analogy I'm just borrowing it from a clinician who uses this diet to treat T2DM with remarkable efficacy.
>if they did just eat barley and a very occasional piece of fish their diabetes would clear up virtually every time
This may be true but the data is insufficient or not supportive of such strong conclusions. There are dozens perhaps hundreds of studies replicating similar to what I posted above whereas there are limited data to support your statement. In fact the vegan diet, which seems close to what you are arguing for here, study didn't have seem to have any reversal but only reduction in medication in... less than half of patients enrolled in the very small, not long term trial. If you have better data please post it and I will update my viewpoint.

[Anonymous No.16373701]

>>16373683
Again I am not a vegan. I believe humans eat starch. We are starch eaters primarily. But I love lamb, fish, egg, yogurt. Glad you finally admit all barley would work. And no not at whatever percent you think, Virtually All, period. Whereas keto works 53% and youre touting that like it is a miracle. Wow 53, so half, and all it takes is severe heart damage and clogged articles shoving fats in your face which you should eat basically zero simple fats

[Anonymous No.16373702]

>>16373673
Ketogenic diets are one of if not, the most studied diets in the world. Just go to clinicaltrials.gov and type in keto or low carb and you will see hundreds more clinical trials in the works for a variety of conditions, everything from Alzheimers, epilepsy, gout and more. And while you can live off a diet high in grains and even live quite healthily doing so provided its not copious amounts of refined grains and sugars, it is easier to reach nutritional requirements from fatty animal products and fish.

[Anonymous No.16373709]

>>16373702
>most studied by modern scientists
Vs
>105000 year old civilizations up to today subsided on grains

[Anonymous No.16373720]

>>16373701
You keep touting this barley will reverse all diabetes but there is zero clinical data to back up your point. I don't think you realize how remarkable 55 percent type 2 reversal + ~16 remission is. Virtually all authorities will and have said for decades that diabetes is a chronic, degenerative condition that you will live with for the rest of your life. And you conveniently ignore the evidence disproving the "clogged arteries" of a high fat diet. You can ignore the data its just quite sad really. I don't even blame you, you have been misled by 70+ years of shitty nutritional information without sufficient data to support it. I wish you the best, I'm signing off for the night. Happy 4th if you're a fellow Ameribro

[Anonymous No.16373726]

>>16373709
Plenty of populations going back just as if not further subsisting mainly if not entirely on meat and animal products without the diseases we now see running rampant in out modern societies.

[Anonymous No.16373735]

>>16373720
Again there is clinical data and I told you by whom. You refuse to DYOR on starches and im too rich to do it for free like a jannie.
Simple fats are just as bad as simple sugars. I hope all your fat bombs are coming from real beef fat and coconut oil or olive oil, etc.

[Anonymous No.16373742]

>>16373726
McDougall addressed this myth.
>wow they didn't find potato skins and there are chicken bones. Must have been carnivores.
Or..the potato turned to dirt.

[Anonymous No.16373748]

>>16373673
Genghis Khan had never even seen grains. Being a steppechad he lived entirely on meat, yogurt, horse blood and farmoid pussy. t: /his/

[Anonymous No.16373757]

>>16370162
probably because they taste different, OP

[Anonymous No.16373769]

>>16373726
There is literally no scientific proof of this

[Anonymous No.16373774]

>>16373748
>>16373748
Ok

[Anonymous No.16373783]

>>16373769
The Inuit, Masai and many similar populations are meat industry psyops clearly.

[Anonymous No.16373784]

Too bad McDougall doesn't have references. Oh wait he does

[Anonymous No.16373795]

>>16373784
"ate mainly meat"

[Anonymous No.16373802]

Honey is kike propaganda

[Anonymous No.16373803]

>>16373795
Listen to the talk. He said MODERN opinion, which isn't correct, for reasons he lists, is they ate mainly meat

[Anonymous No.16373824]

>>16373769
this is about Otzi the Iceman who we think is ~5000 years old or so
"One thing was certain: Ötzi's diet was heavy in fat, but this wasn't from cheese, as researchers previously guessed, said Zink and study co-senior researcher Frank Maixner, a microbiologist at the Eurac Research Institute for Mummy Studies. Rather, the fat came from an animal Ötzi had recently consumed, likely the ibex (Capra ibex), Zink said.

This finding made sense, as earlier research revealed that Ötzi had lactose intolerance and thus had trouble eating dairy products, Zink added. The iceman likely needed the calories from this fatty meal to help him scale the Alps, where he lived, the researchers said.

"The high and cold environment is particularly challenging for the human physiology and requires optimal nutrient supply to avoid rapid starvation and energy loss," Zink said in a statement. "The iceman seemed to have been fully aware that fat represents an excellent energy source."

[Anonymous No.16373828]

>>16373803
how can I you just posted some blurry screenshots

[Anonymous No.16373835]

>>16373828
I've told you the name. Youtube search "The Starch Solution" - Dr John McDougall from 8 years ago.

[Anonymous No.16373967]

>>16370175
Oh no sweetie why would you do that :(

[Anonymous No.16373996]

>>16370175
It's all sugar retard.

[Anonymous No.16374028]

>>16371136
Jesus. I'm sorry to hear that, anon

[Anonymous No.16374056]

>>16370227
>processed sugar is poison
You're retarded. All they do is crush sugarcane or sugar beets to extract the juice which is then purified and filtered before being heated into a syrup and then crystalized. It's nothing poisonous.

Cooking food literally has the same effect. What do you think happens when you heat up tomatoes in a pan? They break down and release their juices which contain sugar, the water evaporates and the sugars are concentrated and leftover.

There's no denying that sugar is unhealthy in large amounts, but the sugar from fruit is no healthier. Honey also contains types of sugars and is also just as bad in large quantities.

[Anonymous No.16374735]

>>16370175
It has insignificant amount of micros and protein. It is pretty much all sugar syrup

[Anonymous No.16375224]

>>16372971
But honey isn’t all the same though…? Like some honey is thicker and others are runnier

[Anonymous No.16375233]

>>16373682
>ketosis isn’t healthy
Our ancestors have been doing keto for their entire lives, briefly interrupted by finding fruit/honey. So how can it not be healthy? In fact, 75% of the time the Hunter gatherers were in deep caloric distress and in deep keto.

[Anonymous No.16375244]

>>16375233
Bullshit. Ketosis is a modern invention. Ketosis is about carbohydrates, not sugar. Retard. Our ancestors ate almost nothing but carbs once they became agrarian.

[Anonymous No.16375250]

>>16375233
our ancestors had their midlife crises at 15

[Anonymous No.16375273]

>>16375233
Because our ancestors had a huge variety of food and time to optimize their diets and weren't eating anything they could get their hands on so they won't starve

[Anonymous No.16375327]

>>16373769
>There is literally no scientific proof of this

[Anonymous No.16375336]

>>16374056
>All they do is crush sugarcane or sugar beets to extract the juice which is then purified and filtered before being heated into a syrup and then crystalized. It's
poisonous and you are ignorant.

[Anonymous No.16375364]

>>16375327
I wonder how those coats smell.

[Anonymous No.16375635]

>>16375244
Carbohydrates are sugar you donkey

[Anonymous No.16375640]

>>16370162
Based honey poster. Honey doesn't give me energy peaks and downs either.

Honey is good shit.

[Anonymous No.16375692]

>>16375635
NO RETARDED NIGGER, SUGAR IS A CARBOHYDRATE BUT NOT ALL CARBOHYDRATES ARE SUGAR

[Anonymous No.16375700]

>>16371136
I'm sorry for your loss, anon

[Anonymous No.16375705]

>>16371136
I'm sorry to hear that anon that sucks, I bet your mum wouldn't want you to hate the bee's she dedicated her life towards though

[Anonymous No.16375710]

>>16370162
When I put honey in my tea it doesn’t mix but sugar does

[Anonymous No.16376786]

>>16375692
ABSOLUTELY SAVAGE DESTRUCTION

[Anonymous No.16376878]

>>16370162
Honey is a type of sugar

[Anonymous No.16376939]

>>16376786
not really it could go either way depending on what you mean by "sugar"


Definition of sugar

(Entry 1 of 2)
1a : a sweet crystallizable material that consists wholly or essentially of sucrose,

: any of various water-soluble compounds that vary widely in sweetness, include the monosaccharides and oligosaccharides, and typically are optically active

[Anonymous No.16376982]

>>16375244
Ketosis is not a modern invention. Most traditionally living populations would preferentially consume the fattier parts of the animals and the organ meats. Plenty of populations also ate little if any grains, fruits, and other carbohydrates e.g., Inuit, Masai and other. Also breast milk seems to be uniquely ketotic for whatever reason despite being ~50% lactose (a sugar) by calorie. This is probably why most infants are born with significant ketone bodies fueling their brain.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5840/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31770024/
"Appropriate ketosis was achieved in most infants and maintained within 48 hours. Incorporation of breast milk into KD is feasible, safe, and effective."

[Anonymous No.16377003]

>>16370877
fake news

[Anonymous No.16377071]

>>16370162
Honey is sugar, you retard.

[Anonymous No.16377163]

Step aside, sugerlets

[Anonymous No.16377307]

How come people jizz over Manuka honey so much?

[Anonymous No.16377418]

>>16370854
>big crop
ftfy

[Anonymous No.16378025]

>>16373356
You can't directly compare two different patient groups with different research methods, baseline characteristics, and lengths of trial.
For example, the mean starting BMI in the vegan trial was 34, the mean starting BMI in the keto trial was 40. If they started off in worse condition, and over the longer course of the trial saw more weight loss, that there were greater reductions would be expected and doesn't mean a whole lot in the way of comparison.

It also looks like they didn't perform a glucose tolerance test, instead taking the low fasting glucose as a sign that their diabetes was resolved, which would be like "fixing" a car by just not driving it anymore. If the fix to not being able to metabolize glucose properly is to just not consume any glucose, it's not that useful of an intervention, is it? And all the while their LDL cholesterol managed to increase despite them losing weight

[Anonymous No.16378043]

>>16373641
>The populations who ate mostly animal products and or higher fat diets (Masai, Inuit, Tokulau, etc) were much stronger and healthier than those subsisting on grains and starches
All of which have a life expectancy in the 50s, while every Blue Zone is made up of people who live on starchy diets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

[Anonymous No.16378150]

>>16370175
sucrose is fructose and glucose dipshit.

[Anonymous No.16378188]

>>16376982
Eating a low carb diet and being in a state of ketosis aren't the same thing.
Nevermind that hunter-gatherers typically ate more carbs than fat, and very little saturated fat
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/14112331_Eaton_SB_Eaton_III_SB_Konner_MJ_Paleolithic_nutrition_revisited_a_twelve-year_retrospective_on_its_nature_and_implications_Eur_J_Clin_Nutr_51_207-216

Even eskimos don't live in a ketogenic state
http://www.vladozlatos.com/project/files/pages/586/j.-biol.-chem.-1928-heinbecker-461-75.pdf

It makes more sense when you don't think of ketosis as a uniquely human thing. Any animal can go into a ketogenic state under the right conditions, which are usually starvation or extreme illness. No animal naturally lives in a state of ketosis or regularly undergoes it though. Animals evolve to avoid ketosis, and the more carnivorous an animal is, the harder it is for them to enter ketosis.

[Anonymous No.16378216]

>>16375233
Literally making shit up lmao

[Anonymous No.16378270]

>>16370162
Honey in coffee is absolutely fucking terrible.
Found out the hard way.

[Anonymous No.16378375]

>>16370162
Table sugar is just sweet with no other nuances. Honey has a distinct flavor all its own. In some cases, honey's flavor is abrasive and/or obtrusive.

[Anonymous No.16378503]

>>16378188

O B L I T E R A T E D the ketofag

[Anonymous No.16378561]

>>16378503
nah, doesn't change the fact that people, groups, tribes etc have way less health problems when living _primarily_ on saturated fats and protein. So opting for a primarily ketogenic diet is absolutely the way to go.

+ the numerous neurological benefits (catching Alzheimers or other cognitive illnesses will probably be reduced a shit ton by being actual ketogenic for 3-4 months a year) - obviously the trails have mostly been comprised of 50+ year olds, but the benefits should obviously also apply to younger people. We're just less at risk of catching the disease to begin with, so..

[Anonymous No.16378805]

>>16378561
https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/95/1/26/167903
>The hearts and aortae of 50 Masai men were collected at autopsy. These pastoral people are exceptionally active and fit and they consume diets of milk and meat. The intake of animal fat exceeds that of American men. Measurements of the aorta showed extensive atherosclerosis with lipid infiltration and fibrous changes but very few complicated lesions. The coronary arteries showed intimal thickening by atherosclerosis which equaled that of old U.S. men.
If there are less health problems in a particular group of high fat eating primitive people, it's in spite of their diets. Regular, intense exercise offsets some of the damage, but none of these people are known for their longevity.

[Anonymous No.16378810]

>>16370162
you know the "honey" you get in the bear bottle is just whiter sugar syrup with some coloring / flavoring right

[Anonymous No.16378880]

>>16370162
Do you realize how much fucking honey you’d need to make a cake you dingus. Not even considering the texture or moisture content?

[Anonymous No.16379230]

>>16370839
How do you substitute? 1:1? Wouldn't honey being more liquid fuck things up?

[Anonymous No.16379287]

>>16374056
refined sugar is a poison to the body and must be processed in the liver and stored as fat before it can be burned as fuel. The fibre in foods containing fructose is crucial for absorbing the fructose slowly. The larger quantity of fructose in a fruit, the more naturally occurring fibre it has. See: beets, sugarcane, maple trees, agave. All of these sources of refined fructose have intense amounts of fibre which should be consumed at the same time to ease absorption.

Ultimately honey is better than refined sugars from high fibre sweet fruits and grains. Just try to eat whole foods, avoid things in boxes and packages, all refined grains and sugars.

[Anonymous No.16379435]

>>16370175
damn dude. you really brought out the fucking nerds on this one.

[Anonymous No.16379600]

>>16373473
That's all brown sugar is. Trapped molasses (cooked sugar juice with suspended particulate) that hasn't had all of its sucrose pulled out yet. The process of making sugar has gotten so industrial that it's cheaper to just recombine the "waste" back into the refined sugar than create a whole new factory line to process brown sugar from the batch. Also you can control the flavor better.

[Anonymous No.16379606]

>>16370175
Am*rcian "education" everyone.

[Anonymous No.16379609]

>>16379606
Amercian?

[Anonymous No.16380767]

>>16370162
I bought a jug of honey and a jug of maple syrup. Maple is the superior sweetener in all cases of use

[Anonymous No.16381268]

Here's a study showing honey's effects in preventing dental caries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095052/

HONEY. PREVENTING CAVITIES. There are also several studies which find the exact opposite but honey is absolutely a lesser evil. Honey is known for being safe to eat after thousands of years if well sealed, it has anti-bacterial qualities, which makes it less cariogenic than other sugars.

[Anonymous No.16381278]

>>16371237
BASED

[Anonymous No.16381285]

>>16378810
I live in an area where you can't throw a stone without hitting a beekeeper and 100% of domestic honeys pass testing, whereas about a fifth of imports are fake. Must suck to live in a shithole rife with adulterated products.

I'm concerned as fuck about muh oilive oil though.

[Anonymous No.16381300]

>>16380767
Maple syrup to sweeten drinks is kind of nasty NGL. It's also thinner which can lead to honey resulting in better mouthfeel for sauces and such. Also maple is insanely expensive and I doubt it's as healthful.

>>16373748
Motherfucker he conquered fucking China how delusional are ketofags?

[Anonymous No.16381334]

>>16378043
Check out Art De Vany, Mark Sisson. They’re 85, and 67 respectively and destroy the fitness of these blue zone people. Blue zone people compared to SAD obviously do well. Art de Vany still has sex at 86

[Anonymous No.16381337]

[Anonymous No.16381339]

>>16381337

[Anonymous No.16381343]

>>16381268
Wow, as a dental student I might now go down the rabbit hole of honey on oral health. Looks like grandma, the bible and Quran were right again - honey is good for you

[Anonymous No.16381380]

>>16372595
>Honey is bee cum

I wish this was a meme

[Anonymous No.16381386]

>>16381343
I just lost a tooth the other day, just fell out of my mouth. I brush frequently and use mouth wash twice a day. What's going on here?

[Anonymous No.16381426]

>>16381386
Frequent high carb meals (promotes plaque), no flossing/tepe brushes is probably why. Mouth wash is a meme btw.

[Anonymous No.16381459]

>>16381343
Like that study is FAR from actually proving you should suck down a bunch of honey to prevent cavities, it just observed that some effects that tend to reduce cavities happen when you consume honey relative to when you consume controls.

The discussion section of that paper leads to various studies about the effect of honey on cavities. They listed:

4 studies - no difference from sucrose
2 studies - more cariogenic
1 study - less cariogenic
3 studies + the study itself - non-cariogenic/can be used to prevent cavities

Take that as you will. It's definitely interesting but the dental jews will probably come for you in the middle of the night if you tell mothers to feed their babies honey.

[Anonymous No.16381508]

>>16381386
Susceptability to cavities is largely genetic. Droolchads for instance have less cavities because they're basically constantly flushing shit out of their mouth.

Mouthwash is a jew, alcohol mouthwash is a megakiked hyperjew that causes oral dryness which is a fucking risk factor for cavities, non-alcoholic mouthwash isn't bad for you but it also doesn't really do anything.

[Anonymous No.16381678]

>>16381508
So you're saying I should just collect my excess spit in a bottle and use it for mouthwash in the evening?

[Anonymous No.16381702]

>>16381508
>Susceptability to cavities is largely genetic.
It isn't. High carbohydrate meals leads to plaque production, which hardens to tartar. Reduce carbs = Reduce bacteria formation = Reduce acid secretion by said bacteria. Governments around the world advocate for very high carb meals with frequent snacking inbetween. You're literally constantly exposing your teeth to acid production. (SKIN IN THE GAME = I only eat twice a day, sometimes once, sometimes none. Compare that to the standard eat 3x a day + snack twice).

Mouthwash is silly - no need to kill all bacteria in your mouth.

[Anonymous No.16382276]

>>16370175
If the honey is syrupy, it is higher fructose. If it has crystals/chunks, it is higher sucrose. If you leave honey for a long time, it will crystalise and this is the healthier way to have it but it's still refined sugar.
Molasses is superior to honey in nutrients too, if you don't mind the licorice taste.

[Anonymous No.16382333]

>>16371266
Which is?

[Anonymous No.16382726]

>>16382333
metabolically they're effectively the same but chemically there is a difference, sucrose is bound glucose + fructose whereas in something like HFCS they're not

[Anonymous No.16382741]

>>16370175
Based troll.
Well done

[Anonymous No.16383747]

>>16370987
Most american honey is heavily adulterated with HFCS