/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.18064326]

>you can't eat meat with the salad fork because you just can't ok?
Why are old people so anal about dining etiquette?

[Anonymous No.18064340]

cuz of retards like you who make shit threads like this
go farm your dopamine elsewhere

[Anonymous No.18064380]

>>18064340
t. 80 year old that got mad when his grandson used the soup spoon to drizzle chocolate on a piece of cake

[Anonymous No.18064384]

>>18064326
>because you just can't
You can't because they clear the salad fork before the meat course arrives you retarded fucking zoomer.

[Anonymous No.18064385]

Just order something you can eat with your hands, like a sandwich, and watch everyone lose their shit.

[Anonymous No.18064389]

>>18064384
Based and etiquette schooled

[Anonymous No.18064400]

>>18064326
I don't think dinner is served in this format anywhere anymore, except some British royal banquet. It is completely useless information for 99,99% of people in modern day

[Anonymous No.18064410]

>>18064326
But what if you need to dine with the queen.

[Anonymous No.18064420]

>>18064326
>literally just "Outside In" as that is how the meals will be presented
>THIS IS TOO FUCKING HARD BRO

No wonder our society has failed, people are too retarded to understand how forks work.

[Anonymous No.18064423]

>>18064420
>five fucking forks
You need two max.

[Anonymous No.18064435]

>>18064400
ok poorfag

[Anonymous No.18064437]

>>18064400
It's actually fairly standard in upper class European households.Of course cutlery isn't placed out like that, but changed in between courses.

[Anonymous No.18064453]

It's just a power trip to filter out people of low stock. Complain about it if you'd like to, but if you are seen with a soup spoon in your teacup, the size of any dowry if any that you're going to earn just shrank. Then again, if you're civilized enough to use a computer, maybe you're clever enough to figure out the silverware?

[Anonymous No.18064471]

>>18064423
they change the utensils for every course m8
sure, you can use the same fork 7 times, but its not really presentable in a place where everything is expected to be proper and immaculate

[Anonymous No.18064473]

>>18064326
unless you're literally royalty you will never encounter this problem in your life. are you royalty?

[Anonymous No.18064479]

>>18064384
/thread

[Anonymous No.18064491]

>>18064400
old money gays and women love this shit even in america

[Anonymous No.18064501]

>>18064326
The extended silverware set autism and convoluted dining rules evolved out of a status signaling arms race between popular and unpopular people. If you're in the elite social class you can signal that you're "in the know" by being up to speed on the latest dining fashions, whereas people of lesser status give it away by not knowing which fork to use. As information about the correct use of the second fork eventually propagates down the social ladder, the social elite are forced to invent a third fork with a new secret purpose, and so on.

Today this has largely been replaced by regurgitating the latest social justice grievance topics as the new signal of high status.

[Anonymous No.18064502]

they grew up in a time where shit like that was a flex

[Anonymous No.18064504]

>>18064501
This might be the dumbest take I've ever heard.

[Anonymous No.18064509]

>>18064504
It's not a "take" it's a plain statement of fact.

Even if you didn't know this and don't feel like looking it up, the social arms race phenomenon is so ubiquitous that you must be retarded not to immediately think it makes intuitive sense. I wonder if you've ever drawn a mental connection between two non-identical situations in your life.

[Anonymous No.18064513]

>>18064509
>smooth brain /pol/ shit
>you must be retarded not to immediately think it makes intuitive sense
Adds up.

[Anonymous No.18064526]

>>18064504
>>18064513
weird thing to freak about, anon, this kind of etiquette has always been elitist and a way for the upper classes to filter out the nuveau riche. none of this is /pol/shit, it's mostly correct

[Anonymous No.18064527]

>>18064513
Are you a bot?

[Anonymous No.18064529]

>>18064513
Oh, it was the last sentence that threw you into NPC safemode. Got it.

You realize there are people who don't browse /pol/ who are aware that displaying knowledge about left-wing social trends is a signal of sophistication in educated upper middle class circles, right? You don't even need to be against the ideology to know this. It's pretty obvious if you have even an iota of cultural awareness.

[Anonymous No.18064628]

Every fancy restaurant I've ever been to has been actively trying to move away from this stuff. Most places would much rather give you your silverware on a per-course basis.

[Anonymous No.18064645]

>>18064326
https://youtu.be/Zt64M9-TIlY?t=19

[Anonymous No.18064750]

>>18064400
maybe not out like this, but me and my gf have different sets of silverware and we use different ones depending on what we are eating. its nice. know your worth freind. its ok to have nice things.

pic related its my gf

[Anonymous No.18065265]

>>18064400
>I don't think dinner is served in this format anywhere anymore, except some British royal banquet. It is completely useless information for 99,99% of people in modern day
I go to banquets for work about seven or eight times a year where the dinner is served like this (usually not with this many courses). You would be shocked how many people, zoomers and boomers alike, professionals who get invited to banquets, have zero table etiquette. It gets to the point where even the servers are sharing uncomfortable glances with you.
People notice, anon. Maybe if you didn't take all your meals in crunchwrap format you might notice too.

[Anonymous No.18065293]

All these different kinds of cutlery are literally invented by the English steel industry in the 1800s. How else can you sell cutlery to people who already own a spoon, knife and fork?

[Anonymous No.18065461]

>>18064326
settings like that exist only to show off wealth it has nothing to do with etiquette.

[Anonymous No.18065495]

>>18064501
Rare intelligent and informed 4chan post. There are so many layers to social class/status, and the methods of filtering people out, and the tactics constantly evolve. Nowadays it's very gauche to filter people out with stuffy forms of social etiquette, so the way it's done has absolutely evolved and it's very much still a thing.
Do you think organic, small farm produced, ecologically friendly food is solely popular because of people's consciences? Same goes with knowledge of a plethora of ethnic dishes. If you don't know what things like shawarma and babaganoush are, you've been filtered.

[Anonymous No.18065536]

>>18064385
>doesn't use the sandwich claws
Barbarian

[Anonymous No.18065567]

>>18064326
Let's see if any of you guys recognize this one.

[Anonymous No.18065579]

>>18065567
Sauce

[Anonymous No.18065628]

>>18064326
>pan
>bowl
eat with the fork you stirred it with.
doing anymore than this is literally you being a fucking idiot.

[Anonymous No.18065631]

>>18065628
forgot pic.

[Anonymous No.18065632]

>>18065579
Bravo.

[Anonymous No.18065669]

>>18064384
BOOM!!1!
/thread

[Anonymous No.18065697]

>>18064384
Explain why I need a "salad knife"?

[Anonymous No.18065704]

>>18065697
Same reason you don't cut steak with a butterknife (although 99% of 4chan either uses disposable plastic or no cutlery)

[Anonymous No.18065713]

>>18065567
Manufacturing defect and sold to the second goods store passed off as a sauce spoon

[Anonymous No.18065740]

>>18064326
salad fork unironically looks better, forks are too big anywaysand salad one would 500% be far easier to use

[Anonymous No.18065851]

>>18064400
I'm more surprised that people eat several courses in a meal these days unless they have a personal chef or something.

[Anonymous No.18065894]

>>18065851
cooking with gf
>make bacon wrapped dates
>snack on those while cooking rest of meal
>eat meal
>have ice cream for dessert
that's 3 courses

[Anonymous No.18065906]

>>18065851
Most of the meals you eat today would have been considered multi-course previously unless you are surviving off of kosher-certified goyslop from corporate fast-food chains (which most of you probably are).
>salad? that's a course
>"appetizers"? that's a course
>most side items? would have been separate courses
>dessert? course
>coffee? course
You're getting the same amount of food they just bring it out to you separately so your fat ass can't gobble it down in three minutes. You have to stop and savor each flavor.

[Anonymous No.18065919]

>>18064326
Looks kino, I can't wait to have a bigger kitchen to have stuff like this. I'd much rather spend money on nice dinnerware and fancy glasses than subscriptions and new cell phones.

[Anonymous No.18065979]

>>18064513
Post nose kike

[Anonymous No.18066015]

>>18064326
Why are zoomies such whiny cunts?

[Anonymous No.18066073]

>>18065851
We eat by courses in Italy. """"Italian"""" Americans just stuff everything onto one plate like the uncouth barbarians they are so they can more easily inhale it down their fat fucking gullets in one go. They truly disgust me.

[Anonymous No.18066087]

>>18064326
Why is there a fish course fork but also a seafood fork? Am I supposed to use two forks at once or is that only for like clams and shit?

[Anonymous No.18066101]

>>18066087
The second thing, more or less. If you notice, the seafood fork is longer and thinner than any other fork. It is the perfect size for getting the meat from a lobster shell and the like.

[Anonymous No.18066105]

>>18065704
>Same reason you don't cut steak with a butterknife
Why are you cutting your salad?

[Anonymous No.18066109]

>>18066105
The leafy bastard owes me money.

[Anonymous No.18066118]

>>18066101
But why is it with the knives and not the forks?
>the seafood fork is longer and thinner than any other fork
Thinner, yes, but it's the size of the salad fork and smaller than both the fish and meat forks.

[Anonymous No.18066146]

>>18066118
Huh. In that set, is indeed smaller. How odd. I'm used to them being a bit longer. As for why they're with the knives and spoons, they, like a spoon or knife, are meant to be used with the dominant/right hand rather than with the lesser/left hand like the other forks. Typically, when you use a meat or fish or salad fork, you have its corresponding knife in your dominant hand in order to cut your food.
To this day, you can still tell who is U and who is not-U by which hand they use for holding their fork whilst eating, even if it's a single course meal.

>>18066105
Tomatoes and other larger-ish things and pieces of things that are in salad are supposed to be cut before eating. I agree with you that there should be no need for a salad knife if the chef has cut salad ingredients to proper size.

[Anonymous No.18066200]

>>18064326
So,.. if I used the seafood fork to eat fish no one would say anything?

[Anonymous No.18066204]

>>18066118
the shorter version is more useful for scooping oysters into your maw

[Anonymous No.18066207]

>>18066200
In polite society, no one would /say/ anything as their glares would say it all.

[Anonymous No.18066219]

Just use chopsticks, I mean fuck.

[Anonymous No.18066267]

>>18064453
this.
It's an ancient form of credentials.

[Anonymous No.18066306]

>>18064453
>>18066267

so using the right fork was the pre-boomer "firm handshake" way of getting a job/money?

[Anonymous No.18066469]

>>18066306
Good analogy, yes. Or like wearing a fraternity tie to a job interview.

[Anonymous No.18066496]

>>18066469
My uni banned frats in the late 1800s. Instead, there are "eating clubs," which are basically the same thing.

[Anonymous No.18066503]

>>18064326
> can't eat meat with a salad fork
Fuck you, I do what I want.

[Anonymous No.18066822]

No they don't change the cutlery for every round, thats why its already laid out when people sit down. You think they run around like dinner ladies clutching piles cutlery? Scraping, chinking, rattling around in their hands every half hour. It would drive people mad.

The cutlery is laid out because people are eating several courses. Or would you people expect your guests to suck and lick their cutlery clean after every course so it didn't taint the taste of the next dish? Savages.

[Anonymous No.18066842]

>>18065495
Who the fuck doesn't know about shawarma or baba ganoush?

[Anonymous No.18066910]

>>18065461
>soup plate
What retard puts soup on a plate

[Anonymous No.18067045]

>>18066105
>Why are you cutting your salad?
Most greens in salads, among other ingredients, would need to be cut unless you plan on shoving the whole thing in your mouth in front of guests. Wedge salads would obviously need to be cut but that is not as common for app salads.
>I agree with you that there should be no need for a salad knife if the chef has cut salad ingredients to proper size.
Cutting greens prior to serving would be about the same as cutting pasta before plating it.

[Anonymous No.18067696]

>>18065632
no, I wanted to know where you got that image

[Anonymous No.18067707]

>>18064326
Why do I need a knife for salad? What the fuck

[Anonymous No.18068184]

>>18067045
>unless you plan on shoving the whole thing in your mouth in front of guests
Yes.

[Anonymous No.18068191]

>>18066073
Yeah bro I wish brown people would just leave my country and go back

[Anonymous No.18068211]

>>18065265
>You would be shocked how many people, zoomers and boomers alike, professionals who get invited to banquets, have zero table etiquette.
I would be shocked if it were the opposite and lots of people still followed pointless rules that were already considered archaic in the 1980s let alone today.
Same as how formal work attire died out (before everyone started permanent VPN work thanks to meme flu hysteria at least). When a cultural practice is pointless and everyone has access to instantly exchange information with everyone else on the planet, those practices tend to die off. You have to make an effort to close yourself off into an exclusive community and deliberately force pointless rules to exist if you want them, like with the Amish. Natural tendency is to drop any cultural practices that can be dropped without serious consequences.

[Anonymous No.18068218]

>>18066496
>eating clubs
Like this?

[Anonymous No.18068409]

>>18065265
>cut steak with the wrong hand
>staff has an aneurysm
lol, lmao even.

[Anonymous No.18068506]

>who needs 40 boards?
>2 is more than enough, I say
>fuck your board culture btw
OP is a faggot

[Anonymous No.18068508]

>>18064326
They aren't, and you have never come across this. You are just a shitposting retard.

[Anonymous No.18068524]

>>18064326
Probably the ugliest set of dinnerware I’ve seen.

[Anonymous No.18068526]

>>18064437
Do you often associate with upper class Europeans?

[Anonymous No.18068529]

>>18064491
>old money
>America
Wut?

[Anonymous No.18068571]

>>18064473
Yes, I'm the Emperor of Earth

[Anonymous No.18068643]

>>18068508
t. never had a grandmother

[Anonymous No.18068681]

Practicality is frowned upon by the old and rich. If you're not expending twice the energy and spending twice as long performing menial tasks, they see you as a lazy and brutish retard.

[Anonymous No.18068705]

>>18064326
I just eat everything with a spoon that I don't wash
Forks and knives are for proguntards

[Anonymous No.18068787]

>>18065461
Still looks very fancy.
Behold the 3in1 Stainless Steel Spork Combo Spoon Fork Knife

[Anonymous No.18068811]

>>18064380
very specific

[Anonymous No.18068835]

>>18064326
If someone is serving you several courses, and setting out different forks, knives and spoons for each course, there's a solid chance that each set is better suited for the course its paired with. You could eat meat with the salad fork - it would work - but it's going to be a more delicate utensil than one designed for holding meat. You could probably use a butterknife for cutting meat, but chances are it's better suited for spreading things, where a steak knife of just about any variety is going to be best suited for slicing, and probably even serrated to cut faster.

[Anonymous No.18068849]

>>18064400
Most meals aren't multiple course. Weddings and galas might not stick to this specifically (for instance, it's rare that crab or lobster are just served - they're usually an option that would come with the utensils), but will have two to three sets of cutlery that you use from the outside inward as the meal progresses.

>tl;dr
It's a functional guideline.

[Anonymous No.18068883]

>>18064326
Never got the elbows off the table thing, even when I used to live with my parents. Its just comfortable, ok?

[Anonymous No.18068889]

>>18064750
Your girlfriend looks like the little mermaid with humongous tits

[Anonymous No.18068896]

>>18068883
It gives prison vibes - the impression that you feel the need to guard your food.

[Anonymous No.18069061]

>>18064437
>Of course cutlery isn't placed out like that, but changed in between courses.
this is how it's done everywhere
>>18065265
muh dining utensils performance anxiety has always been a meme
>>18068883
sit upright you hunchbacked cretin

[Anonymous No.18069171]

>>18064326
I'm 30 and bought pretty much very utensil you see there, fish fork and knife silver plated to add to my Fürstenberg Grecque porcellain and italian crystal. Simply because I like nice things and historical weight. I'll still butter my toast with the handle of a spoon to not have to wash another cutlery piece when I'm home alone.

Just because you have to aesthtic sensibilities, culture or financial way of getting them, doesn't mean nobody else had. I'm already shocked how most pleb shops don't even sell cake forks with their sets only table and tea spoon, table knife and fork. Same for how most cups come without saucers. Sad. Many such cases.

[Anonymous No.18069187]

if the place has a dress code i am not going, simple as

[Anonymous No.18069748]

>>18066842
Anyone that doesn't live in NYC or some other metropolis where there is a large Middle Eastern settler community. And even then most people in those cities aren't going to be that familiar.

[Anonymous No.18069757]

>>18065740
Correct. I hate those huge forks people and restaurants try to make you use.

[Anonymous No.18069765]

>>18069757
yesss, based

[Anonymous No.18069767]

My parents are very preteen anal about knife types. They have a fucking knife for everything. Almost takes up an entire drawer. All they need is a single yoshi blade.

[Anonymous No.18069939]

>>18064326

People like you should never be given steak knives

[Anonymous No.18069963]

>>18068218
More or less, though on the other side of the pond.

[Anonymous No.18070000]

>>18068883
I'm the opposite. Outside of extremely informal affairs (cookouts, for example), I can't imagine I've ever done the "elbows on the table" thing. Not sure why. And even those "informal affairs," I'm not convinced I eat finger foods like ribs, cob corn or fried chicken with elbows on the table, but these are the only situations I can fathom where I could have put my elbows on the table.

[Anonymous No.18070011]

>>18069757
Small forks are uncomfortable for me, likely because I have normal-size hands for a man.

[Anonymous No.18071167]

>>18064326
I don't get this "course" concept. The food is on the table and you eat it, why break it up and quintuple your dishes?

[Anonymous No.18071247]

>>18065265
I work for a living m8 I don't have time to think about homosexuals glancing

[Anonymous No.18071255]

>>18071167
>your dishes
No one who eats like this is doing the dishes.

[Anonymous No.18071256]

>>18065495
I'm working class and know heaps of ethnic food because I love food. Simple as.

[Anonymous No.18071270]

>>18071167
For dishes to have ideal temperature and texture at serving time. Russian nobility invention
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_%C3%A0_la_russe

[Anonymous No.18071292]

>>18071256
that's not the only way they have to exclude people

[Anonymous No.18071362]

>>18071292
Sure, just saiyan

[Anonymous No.18071488]

What if I treat the salad fork real nice, then will she eat meat with me? I'll be a perfect gentleman.

[Anonymous No.18071491]

>>18065293
>just making shit up
Proper cutlery is made of silver, steel is for poorfags like you

[Anonymous No.18071503]

>>18068211
>pointless
>he doesn’t know

[Anonymous No.18071507]

>>18068529
The Roosevelt fortune predates american independence. There’s a few others, too

[Anonymous No.18071515]

>>18069061
>hunchback
Restaurant tables go up to my chest, I have to lift my elbows to set them on it

[Anonymous No.18071597]

>>18064326
Very few old people actually eat with a full formal table setting.

[Anonymous No.18071718]

>>18064502

[Anonymous No.18071994]

>>18071718
>>18064502
Unironically raising my kids with the whole old ettiquette. Once you know it and it has become second nature you can always revert back to an animal, not so much vice versa. People regularl get shocked when those gving the least fucks, when occasion calls, will suddenly transform into cultivated individuals.

[Anonymous No.18072030]

>>18071994
>always revert back to an animal
Eating like this? >>18065461
Absolute savages.

[Anonymous No.18072050]

>>18069171
incredibly based answer

[Anonymous No.18072257]

>>18064326
>dining etiquette?
You see...
The people most likely to use such place settings have ALL the resources and time in the world. As a result, dining between differing sovereign states could become like an arms race with dishes and delicacies brought forth ad infinitum in a matter of one-upmanship. As such, a standard has been set that is both extravagant, but not overwhelming, at least by their standards. To deviate from the standard would itself be seen as uncultured amongst peers.
For them, formal eating is less for sustenance than a prelude to more important affairs. Only the little people worry about having food in their stomach.
"Aquila non captat muscas."

[Anonymous No.18072834]

>>18071515
ask for a high chair. better yet get your mother to breastfeed you instead

[Anonymous No.18072890]

>>18069748
Is this what new yorkers actually believe?
All that is 1980's old hat like tahini unless you live in sodville, oklahoma.
Even some lead miner from sodville has heard of babaganoush, shit's day 1 "food that isn't white people or Mexican food" stuff

[Anonymous No.18072937]

>>18064501
>forks
>suddenly complain about LE WOKE
really, rentfree

[Anonymous No.18073040]

>>18072937
You are not intelligent.

[Anonymous No.18073062]

>>18064501
It's all a form of conspicuous leisure, as posited by Thorstein Veblen.

[Anonymous No.18073541]

>>18069171
Based Horrible Histories chad.

[Anonymous No.18073607]

>>18070000
Yeah I wouldn't expect anyone to be me. I must be unique

[Anonymous No.18073609]

>>18069061
No

>>18068896
I guess but I've only been to jail twice