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What are some awesome things I can do with MSG? I've been putting it in omelets and stuff and I'd like to branch out.

>> No.4338430

Soups. Ice cream. Pizza. Chicken. Babies. The possibilities are endless.

>> No.4338433

>>4338424
Try it on meats.

>> No.4338437

>>4338433
How much should I use? It's uncharted territory for me.

>> No.4338441

>>4338437
Just a sprinkle. Think of it like table salt.

>> No.4338444

Throw it in a fire and watch it burn. Proceed to buy yourself some real spices.

You'll have to excuse me, I'm a little bitter since the tiniest amount of that stuff gives me excruciating migraines.

>> No.4338446

>>4338444
but it doesn't, that's 100% placebo

>> No.4338486

>>4338446
Says one moron to the person he think is just like him.

Narcissism much?

>> No.4338493

>>4338486
A controlled double-blind multicenter clinical trial failed to demonstrate the relationship between MSG symptom complex and the consumption of MSG in individuals who believed they reacted adversely against MSG. No statistical association has been demonstrated, there were few responses and they were inconsistent. Symptoms were not observed when MSG was given with food.

In a study performed by Tarasoff and Kelly (1993) 71 fasting participants were given 5 g of MSG and then administered a standard breakfast. There was only one reaction, and it was to the placebo in a self-identified MSG-sensitive individual.

In a different study done by Geha et al. (2000), they tested the reaction of 130 subjects who reported sensitivity to MSG. Multiple DBPC trials were performed and only subjects with at least two symptoms proceeded. Only two people out of the whole study responded in all four challenges. Because of this low prevalence, the researchers concluded that the response to MSG was not reproducible.

The msg thing is bullshit. Food would taste better if there were less retards like you.

>> No.4338517

>>4338493
MSG gives people autism.

Enjoy your flavor, fuckhead.

>> No.4338522

>>4338517

What doesn't give people autism nowadays?

>> No.4338527

>>4338517
[citation needed]

>> No.4338550

I thought for a long time that MSG made my heart race and gave me insomnia, then when I looked at all the science on it it's just not possible.
All the elements in MSG occur naturally in our bodies anyway.

Make a pumpkin soup OP without any MSG, put a serving in a bowl and try a few spoonfuls and then add a bit of MSG, mix it though and try it again.

>> No.4338556

Goes great with literally everything. MSG makes plywood palatable. Pinch a bit onto meats, use it in marinades, add it to glazes, season pasta water, dust fruit and vegitables, make authentic american chinese food, sprinkle a little on icecream, give it to the dog, add it to your fish bowl, smoke it, snort it, cut it into lines. Shit's amazing.

>> No.4338560

>>4338550
Have you checked out your heart problems? Having tachycardia without knowing the reason is cause for concern. You might have a valve problem or an electrolyte imbalance.

>> No.4338571

>>4338493
I'm not going to look up the details of your studies because I'm lazy, but from your synopses I'm not satisfied.

First off, 100 people, give or take even a dramatic percentage, is not enough to take into account the genetic variations present in a population. You cannot point to your scientific study and call anon a fucknut, he might be one in a thousand. Or ten thousand. Once again, narcissism much? Sample size not large enough.

Second, did any of your studies give people straight up msg controlled against a placebo while guaranteeing no interactions with any other foods? In other words, shove msg down some peoples gullets, shove placebo down other people's gullets. They should be fasting before and after. Control for hydration, ambient temperature, mood of the person (mood is biochemical remember), race of the person, etc etc etc. Of course they didn't. There's too many variables and you can't possibly control for all of them. Humans are simply too genetically diverse, and you can't breed them like you can lab mice.

Third, not reproducible doesn't mean non existent.

lrn2science and stop fucking assuming things. All of existence is bigger than your mind is willing to admit.

>> No.4338594

>>4338571
Those are just a few studies. People eat the fuck out of it in Asian countries with no ill effects. Every serious regulatory body that has studied it has found no link between it and the symptoms people claim to have.

There is absolutely 0 evidence that MSG in normally consumed amounts has any ill effect aside from anecdotes, which are worthless.

Keep in mind that a number of those studies specifically targeted people that identified as "sensitive" to MSG.

I challenge you to find a reputable study that shows MSG consumed in normal quantities has any negative effect. "because I say it does" does not count.

MSG is one of the most studied ingredients in the world.

>> No.4338599

>>4338594
>There is absolutely 0 evidence that MSG in normally consumed amounts has any ill effect
>Keep in mind that a number of those studies specifically targeted people that identified as "sensitive" to MSG.

So there is 0 evidence yet there are people sensitive to MSG?

>> No.4338608

>>4338599
self identified I mean.

>> No.4338610

>>4338599
Why does this confuse you? It's like how caffeine, gluten or artificial sweeteners don't have any ill effect on people who aren't sensitive to them.

>> No.4338632

>>4338594
I can cherry pick too, but at least I am not ignorant about the "other side".

>Association between monosodium glutamate intake and sleep-disordered breathing among Chinese adults with normal body weight

>Monosodium glutamate neonatal treatment induces cardiovascular autonomic function changes in rodents

>Headache and mechanical sensitization of human pericranial muscles after repeated intake of monosodium glutamate (MSG)

>Monosodium glutamate stimulates secretion of glucagon‐like peptide‐1 and reduces postprandial glucose after a lipid‐containing meal

>Monosodium glutamate (MSG) intake is associated with the prevalence of metabolic syndrome in a rural Thai population

>Protective effects of α-tocopherol against oxidative stress related to nephrotoxicity by monosodium glutamate in rats

>Adverse Effects of Monosodium Glutamate on Liver and Kidney Functions in Adult Rats and Potential Protective Effect of Vitamins C and E

>The potential role of glutamate in the current diabetes epidemic

>> No.4338633

It seems that msg was targeted somehow
like weed was. No evidence just propaganda. where did that all come from, who was the first bean bag to say msg is bad for you and will make you head explode?

>> No.4338638

>>4338571
>lrn2science
>doesn't understand statistically significant

>> No.4338640

>>4338638
Describe how the importance of statistical significance changes with sample size.

>> No.4338644

>>4338633
Some guy speculated that it might (among other things) be why he got sick after eating Chinese food.

That's about it

>>4338632
Those are just the names of studies, what are the actual results?

Also, I'm well aware of some of the studies they did with rats where they gave them a fuckton and they went blind. Those don't count.

>> No.4338648

>>4338638
Fuck off with calling the discussed sample size statistically significant. I'm talking people, not fucking genetically identical lab mice. We come in races you dumbfuck.

2/10 for making me respond

>> No.4338649

>>4338640
You serious?

It's obvious you're making it up as you go, if you assume more people equals better quality of results. 100 people is more than enough, for a statistically significant connection to be found.

>> No.4338650

>>4338424
>msg
You could've stopped this, /ck/. Why would you want such a foul tasting chemical

>> No.4338651

>>4338644
>Those are just the names of studies, what are the actual results?
You can read them, that's why I listed the titles.

>> No.4338660

>>4338648

0/10. I'm sorry, it's the best I can do.

>> No.4338669

>>4338649
Dumbfuck faggot who doesn't understand genetic diversity identified.

>> No.4338678

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

tl;dr: You thinking about other people in relation to yourself and your experiences.

Life ain't that simple.

>> No.4338682

>>4338649
>if you assume more people equals better quality of results. 100 people is more than enough, for a statistically significant connection to be found.
Wow, it's like you actually have no idea what you are talking about. Have you *ever* taken a statistics class? You are hilarious.

>> No.4338693

>>4338632
>Association between monosodium glutamate intake and sleep-disordered breathing among Chinese adults with normal body weight

Unreliable self-reporting methods, and it doesn't at all account for other variables.

>
>Monosodium glutamate neonatal treatment induces cardiovascular autonomic function changes in rodents

"We gave huge doses of MSG to 23 rats as soon as they were born. This had an effect"

>Headache and mechanical sensitization of human pericranial muscles after repeated intake of monosodium glutamate (MSG)
"the beverage contained carbon dioxide, citric acid, sodium citrate, aromas, artificial sweeteners (aspartame, acesulfame potassium) and sodium benzoate. MSG (150mg MSG per kg bodyweight) was added to the soda. In the placebo week, 24mg per kg bodyweight of NaCl was added to the drink instead of MSG to create a similar taste."

MSG has a rather distinct flavor, the study is flawed. Also, the vast majority of studies refute this.

I'd go on, but you're going to bitch either way. I only see one that actually addresses the bullshit "horrible migraines" claim.

>> No.4338696

>>4338693
>MSG has a rather distinct flavor, the study is flawed
So how do you think it can be properly studied using an ingestion model?

>> No.4338702

>>4338571
Do you know what narcissism means fucknut

>> No.4338706

>>4338696
Using a capsule like in other studies?

Not rocket science.

>> No.4338716

>>4338702
Yes I do. I linked to the not-/ck/-related wikipedia article, and insofar as I can, boiled it down to a simple sentence. In an attempt to boil it down even further, I would describe narcissism as "enhanced subjectivity". I'm no psych major though, and welcome refute.

I'll start saging my off topic posts now, apologies. This particular conversation rightfully belongs on a diff board.

>> No.4339045

>>4338649
>>f you assume more people equals better quality of results

Yes, yes I do.

>> No.4339063
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4339063

Raise my kids by putting MSG in dishes they'd otherwise hate.

>> No.4339064

MSG makes me gassy

>> No.4339067

I only add msg to soups and stews. Oh and chinese food although I cook more "authentic" kind of chinese food and I can make it well enough without the need of msg.

>> No.4339106

I put it in guacamole. today I made a garlic and black pepper spread for a sandwich and I put some in that.

>> No.4339138

>>4339063
I hope they get taken away from you and you get charged with child abuse.

>> No.4339152

>>4339138
In what way is that child abuse? Training them to eat healthy food I provide? I cut the MSG as soon as they get addicted to the food, that's the entire point. According to your logic, almost every kid should be taken away and parents get charged with child abuse, including yours.

>> No.4339608

>>4339152
>>4339138
>>4338650
>>4338633

Because msg has got a "sciencey" name means it gives you cancer and shit. The more sciencey the name sounds the more cancer you get, FACT.

>> No.4339647

>>4339608
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't MSG just the salt form of the amino acid glutamate? And I'm pretty sure all amino acids are in ionized forms at physiological pH anyway.

>> No.4339663

>>4339647
I don't know. But I'm pretty sure if it was called seaweed salt and not Monosodium glutamate there wouldn't be half the bullshit about it as there is.

>> No.4339764

>>4339647
he was being sarcastic bro
of course you arent wrong

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4339800

I keep a small jar of the stuff in the pantry. Use it on occasion in a stir fry.

Came here looking for ideas. Found a lot of bullshit. Nice try OP.

>> No.4339811

>>4338633
Apparently it's a lot worse in terms of sodium intake

If you have hypertension (like most amerifats) it could be a bad thing

>> No.4339814

>>4339811
>Apparently it's a lot worse in terms of sodium intake

Confirmed for failing chemistry, or for having never studied it in the first place.

>> No.4339869

OP, anything that you fry up in a pan can benefit greatly from a little MSG; ignore what all these bitches are saying about it being a terrible seasoning or causing headaches. It's a perfectly acceptable choice.

>> No.4339916

>>4339814
>Took HS chemistry
>Thinks he understands metabolic pathways

>> No.4339920

>>4339814
>salt is salt
lol good one

>> No.4339922

>>4339916
Well, you can try explaining to use in layman's terms how it is worse off than table salt?

>> No.4339927

>>4339916

>read some health blog by a popular TV doctor
>thinks he understands technical terms in biology and chemistry

either post a pic of your chemistry/biology/medical degree or stop whining about expertise.

>> No.4339928

>>4339922
How about you try, you seem so sure of yourself and have a great understanding of the literature.

>> No.4339936

>What are some awesome things I can do with MSG?

I add it to food I cook for other people without telling them.
They love my cooking.

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4339939

>not using pink Himalayan salt in this, our year of The Lord, two thousand and thirteen

>> No.4339965

>>4339922
How about you google it, just like I was about to?

I don't have to understand metabolic pathways to call you on your shit.

>> No.4339976

>>4339928
But I wasn't the guy you were responding to. You; however, made that claim so it's up to you to back it up.

>> No.4339980

>>4339965
What "shit"? That guy said it was worse off than sodium. All I said was to explain it.

>> No.4339986

>>4339980
"apparently it's a lot worse"

This is an anecdote, not a claim. If you don't believe it, look it up for yourself, it could easily be wrong.

>> No.4339989

>>4339976
>tell someone they are wrong
>can't refute them and tell them the burden of proof rests with them

Great argument skills.

>> No.4340003

Like some people are sensitive to other additives, some people have varying degrees of reactions to MSG. If you like it and don't have ill effects from it, go ahead and use it as you like.

However if you're cooking for someone else I'd ask first in case they have a sensitivity to it- simple courtesy.

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4340005

>>4339980
>What "shit"?

>> No.4340041

>>4339986
If they said, it's a lot worse, they should be able to tell me why.

>> No.4340053

>>4339989
Why would I argue when I now know I was wrong?

>> No.4340056

>>4340003

But people claim to have sensitivities to lots of things. Usually so they can get their food cooked exactly how they want. There's tons of people who claim to be allergic to gluten despite only a really small percentage of the population actually having gluten allergies.

The point isn't courtesy. It's people lobbying the government to ban food for everyone over their self-diagnosed and unconfirmed sensitivities.

>> No.4340059

>>4340056
>. It's people lobbying the government to ban food for everyone over their self-diagnosed and unconfirmed sensitivities.

Yeah, because people have more lobbying power than corporations.

>> No.4340075

>>4340059

I'm glad you brought that up because it shows what this argument comes down to.

>something with a chemical name
>corporations use it
>must be bad and unhealthy and poison

Not to mention all those local Chinese restaurant corporations trying to kill you because THEYRE GREEDY.

>> No.4340082

>>4340075
No one is arguing about a chemical name. We get it, dihydrogen monoxide kills people, everything is a chemical, etc. Find new gems of "insight".

>> No.4340100

>>4340082

>responds with hurrrr corporations maaaan
>tells me to get some new insight

>> No.4340108

>>4340100

That guy is right. Your shitposting about DHMO every time someone mentions the word "chemical" is tiresome and inane. It's time for something else now.

>> No.4340125

>>4340108

I wasn't even bitching about some old internet joke you whiny anti-establishment faggots. I pointed out that people were bitching about corporations. Which is most of /ck/ because most of you are leddit immigrants who come here to rage against the machine. Same shit in the Foodtruck thread. Some homo (probably one of you) "hurrr don't give ur money to corporations." You don't give a fuck about what is healthy or what is chemistry. You only care about sticking it to the man.

By all means, down with MSG! That'll show those corporations!

>> No.4340137

>>4340125
>most of you are leddit im

the dev fucked up again, and you can say Reddit now.

if you want to say reddit, you need to append something like a comma or a period. reddit.

moot should start paying that guy.

>> No.4340151

>>4340125
>implying people discuss /ck/ on .reddit.

Be sure to disparage my local NFL franchise while you're at it. That will show me.

>> No.4341049

I can tell when there is msg in food, makes me feel fucked up afterward if there is too much. And I confirmed with the waiter/chef/cook after I ate and I have never been wrong if msg was in the food

>> No.4341059

>>4341049

>tfw there's one guy who's going around and bumping all the troll threads

>> No.4342068

Pure MSG is a little simple. Why not using Dashi ? Everything tastes like Fish.

>> No.4342073

>>4338424
You can just flush it down the toilet.

>> No.4343844

>>4338424

you can throw it in the toxins only labeled trash can along with the fluoride, yellow 5, titanium dioxide, and corn syrup.

>> No.4343850

kill yourself

>> No.4343882

>>4338522
vaccines

>> No.4343927

>>4338517

4chan gives people Autism.

>> No.4343944

>>4338424
use it in place of flour