Here's a question. Why is "fine dining" restricted to French or Italian cuisines? Why are there no, say, five-star aristocratic Mexican or Chinese or Russian restaurants? Doesn't every cuisine in the world have what's needed for a truly gourmet experience?

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Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:35:05 2013 No.4676163 [Reply] [Original]

Here's a question.

Why is "fine dining" restricted to French or Italian cuisines?

Why are there no, say, five-star aristocratic Mexican or Chinese or Russian restaurants?

Doesn't every cuisine in the world have what's needed for a truly gourmet experience?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:36:06 2013 No.4676170 File: 17 KB, 320x240, What-Chilli-Wants-TLC_320.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] do you live in suburbia?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:37:06 2013 No.4676174 >Why are there no, say, five-star aristocratic Mexican How many five-star aristocratic (non-American) spics do you know?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:39:07 2013 No.4676181 Some cuisines just aren't that fancy. Like, Swedish. Sure, we have Surströmming and köttbullar... But that's just not "it". I dare you, mention one classic Swedish piece of food that'd do well on a five star restaurant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:39:07 2013 No.4676185 >>4676163 Italian food sucks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:40:05 2013 No.4676186 >>4676181 I can't even name one swedish dish to begin with...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:54:06 2013 No.4676234 >>4676181 yeah, swedish food is really best for a regular ordinary meal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:54:06 2013 No.4676235 >>4676186 Swedish meatballs. Swedish fish, the candy. Swiss Miss hot chocolate. Swiss cheese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:55:06 2013 No.4676236 >>4676163 I'd guess its mainly due to what places have a tradition of high class cooking and what places simply developed "peasant food"

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 18:56:05 2013 No.4676240

Italian and French cuisine were originated from royalty not wanting to eat peasant shit and got people to make them better quality food. Also, most cuisines don't lend themselves to the idea of "fine dining" like Mexican using mostly lower quality, cheaper ingredients.

Regardless, any cuisine really can be adapted and dressed up in a way to bring it to a fine dining level, but it comes down to what customers expect. Whens the last time you thought "boy I'd really like some tacos, but I'd rather pay $100 for them?"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:04:08 2013 No.4676256 I'm pretty sure the idea of "fine dining" is largely a bourgeois invention. Probably doesn't exist in places without an established wealthy bourgeoisie population.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:06:06 2013 No.4676260 This entire thread is making me cry blood. All of you stumblefucks need to visit Fonda San Miguel and never speak again about Mexican food.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:06:06 2013 No.4676262 >>4676235 Swiss is Switzerland, not Sweden. They aren't near each other...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:07:06 2013 No.4676265 >>4676262 they are if you use alphabetical order.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:08:06 2013 No.4676269 There are...you must live in one of those awful bumfuck nowhere flyover cities

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:09:06 2013 No.4676271 >>4676269 Nah, there's just the same old peasant food served in place with fancy decor.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:11:06 2013 No.4676273

>>4676185
A lot of French cuisine came from "Italian" recipes. But Italy is a very young country, and had few people systematize it's cooking.

Still, Italian cuisine is one of the finest and most diverse in the world thanks to it's many regions and ports.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:11:06 2013 No.4676275

I have no idea what OP is talking about.

I've seen "fine dining" in just about every cuisine possible.
Let's take the three examples OP used:

Mexican:
http://www.canyonfl.com/

Chinese:
http://buddhaskybardelraybeach.com/

Russian:
http://www.fltatianarestaurant.com/

And these are only in South Florida.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:12:06 2013 No.4676277 Since England was the richest country in the world for many centuries with a large high class population, how come it didn't develop a fine cuisine like France did? Any truly traditional English foods are meh

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:14:06 2013 No.4676279

Guidos and frogs just have a monopoly on the popular imagination as far as "fine dining" goes. Japanese and Steakhouses go up there for fine dining that are easy to find. Fine dining has variety you just have to look for it. Keep in mind that italian and french food can be really cheap and shitty too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:22:07 2013 No.4676295 >>4676273 >Italy is a very young country hahahahahaha

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:23:07 2013 No.4676298 >>4676295 1946 was not that long a time ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:23:07 2013 No.4676300 >>4676277 Any "truly traditional" foods are meh because cooking wasn't very sophisticated during the time these foods originated.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:24:06 2013 No.4676302 >>4676295 >I know nothing about history

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:26:07 2013 No.4676307 >>4676163 you can spend an easy 50 dollars on a hamburger if you'd actually looked as opposed to just posting some ridiculous unresearched blanket statement on /ck/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:26:07 2013 No.4676312 File: 22 KB, 200x300, Caracella.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4676279 Nigga, wha?

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:27:07 2013 No.4676313

Russian cuisine used to be and in some respects still is. Ever have or heard of crêpes with caviar? The only way it could possibly be more Russian is if it were doused in Acqua di Giò and listened to shit music.

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, French cuisine was generally considered poor peasant's food with Russian and Italian being considered chic (Italian food has a much longer history of its chic-status dating back even before the renaissance; I mean shit, the rest of Europe didn't even use forks until the fucking 18th century for shit's sake and a cardinal from France in the 17th century considered using forks to be an afront against god since he gave humanity fingers). Many dishes considered typical of French haute cuisine actually have their origins in the cuisines of 18th and 19th century Italy and Russia.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:31:06 2013 No.4676321

>>4676295
ItaliAnon here.
As a unified country, we're pretty young. We were several, smaller nations and kingdoms until 1870 when all of Italy was unified under one crown at the end of the Resurgence. Some parts of the peninsula, such as S. Marino, decided to remain independent rather than join the union.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:33:06 2013 No.4676323 >>4676298 1870...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:34:08 2013 No.4676324 >>4676298 >>4676302 >>4676321 Are you guys this dense? Do you really think the techniques used in italian cuisine didn't exist before Italy was called Italy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:35:08 2013 No.4676326 High end Chinese restaurants are fucking awesome. Try it someday if you can. Make friends with a Chinese person so they can walk you through it and pick dishes.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:35:08 2013 No.4676329 >>4676163 There are quite a few gourmet Russian and Chinese restaurants. Just probably not in whatever shit part of texas you live in.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:36:07 2013 No.4676331 >tfw you are closely related to the italian royal family >your grandfathers brother was named after the king >if they were still in power you would probably be a duke

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:37:07 2013 No.4676334 >>4676324 Grains, garlic, olive oil, and wine. Yeah all that Italian food culture sprouted up in the last century and a half.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:38:07 2013 No.4676336 >>4676321 Italy is... Like small i dont understand how these minuscule European countries are supposed to be so diverse and cultural. My county is probably the size of Italy of for fucks sake.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:39:07 2013 No.4676337 >>4676336 which is why I find it hilarious when they say america doesn't have any culture america has more culture in one state than half of europe does

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:43:06 2013 No.4676341

It isn't

There are, you're sheltered and can't use google.

No they don't. Regional cuisines are based on what was local to the area, and the kinds of food they could store for long term.

So like in Sweden they would have to catch a bunch of fish when they could and then save it for when they couldn't get it food. That's why they eat pickled fish and shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:48:07 2013 No.4676351 It's a good question. You could go balls out and have a five star restaurant serving the best of most any cuisine in the world and be successful as long as the service, atmosphere, and amenities were legit.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:50:06 2013 No.4676355

>>4676324
But then where do you draw the line? Is it just european food? human cuisine? Italy took pasta from china, so where do we split the two?

If we're talking about italian food from before a national identity existed what the fuck are we even talking about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:52:06 2013 No.4676360 >>4676341 >pickling your fish >not boiling them in lye Do you even into Swedish food?

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:53:06 2013 No.4676363

>>4676337

Fucking ignorant. Most regions of the planet have more culture than people who only see second hand accounts and bullshit tv shows realize or show.

Fucking idiots. It really depends as well. Kansas? Almost no food culture, other then general Americana and fast food. A state like New York, Texas, California, Washington, or Florida? Variety of culture on par with any great European country.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:54:08 2013 No.4676368 >>4676360 no i was thinking of the norweigans i guess

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 19:54:08 2013 No.4676369 >>4676355 >Italy took pasta from China The concept of noodles isn't necessarily proven to have come via the Silk Road. There are accounts of people eating pasta in Roman times with butter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:08:07 2013 No.4676391 >>4676163 I have been to a very fancy Chinese restaurant, and a very fancy Japanese restaurant, and a very fancy Australian restaurant, and faily fancy syrian restaurant. sorry OP you need to get out more

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:09:07 2013 No.4676395 >>4676391 >and faily fancy syrian restaurant *and a fairly fancy syrian restaurant

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:09:07 2013 No.4676396 >>4676391 >faily fancy

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:11:09 2013 No.4676404 >>4676395 i liked it the original way better

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:14:07 2013 No.4676410 >>4676363 That general Americana can be excellent when done well. It just often isn't. http://www.brookvillehotel.com/ The fanciest fried chicken I've ever had was in the middle of fucking nowhere.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:25:09 2013 No.4676441

>>4676355
Sigh.
Pasta made from durum semolina, as is eaten in Italy today, was brought to Sicily during the Emirate. Durum wheat is native to north Africa, brought to Sicily by way of Muslim conquest in the 10th century. This is also when rice entered the European diet, also brought by the Muslims. Durum pasta went further east, too, along with Muslim conquest. In Persia, it became a dessert item, served with shaved ice and rose syrup.

Chinese wheat noodles aren't very similar to European/north African pasta, neither dry nor fresh, I'm afraid. This is a very common misconception amongst Americans.

You know that the Chinese think they invented pizza and that it was brought back to Italy by Marco Polo?

>>4676369
Lasagne sheets made from egg dough are older than even buttered noodles. Back then, they were layered with fermented fish, salty goat's ricotta and honey. It sounds awful to me, but maybe it's good. Who knows.

>>4676336
Your county takes 12 hours to drive from its northern boarder to its southern border and 4 hours from coast to coast? I doubt that, considering California is about the same size (a bit bigger, but roughly equivalent).

>>4676324
True.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:28:07 2013 No.4676449

>>4676441
>Lasagne sheets made from egg dough are older than even buttered noodles. Back then, they were layered with fermented fish, salty goat's ricotta and honey. It sounds awful to me, but maybe it's good. Who knows.
they were also deep fried, and nothing like actual noodles.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:28:07 2013 No.4676450
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>>4676441
>You know that the Chinese think they invented pizza and that it was brought back to Italy by Marco Polo?

i did know that, and don't remember what that shit is called but it is essentilly okonomiyaki, more like an ommlette.

uyghar food is also cited as a possible atecendent of pasta, because it uses tomatoes i belvie.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:34:07 2013 No.4676468 I know plenty of fine dining Mexican and Chinese restaurants. Plus, there's tons of steakhouses that serve variations of "continental" food.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 20:37:07 2013 No.4676474 >>4676450 Pasta and noodles both predate the tomato's introduction to the old world, though. By centuries and even millenia.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:08:09 2013 No.4676558 >>4676449 sounds incredible. i want

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:15:07 2013 No.4676575 >>4676450 You are dumb. Tomatoes were not used in Italian cooking until the late 1700s. They are native to the Americas.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:18:07 2013 No.4676590 >>4676185 And you've never been to Italy. Your idea of Italian food is an American interpretation. I've been to Italy 5 times, mostly long stays. There's a whole lot there that you don't know about.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:22:06 2013 No.4676604

>>4676590
I'm sure he is totally unware of the fish risottos of Venice, the grilled beef of Tuscany, the fresh cheese of the Alps, the cured meats of Parma, the fried goods in the streets of Rome, the fresh, even raw seafood of the south, and the delicious breads of Naples.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:22:06 2013 No.4676605 >>4676163 All of that in OP's pic looks so fuckin' good. Now I want some Mexican. Last time I went to a Mexican place I ordered a steak. Came out real thin and had the most amazing crust I'd ever had on a steak before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:23:06 2013 No.4676608 >>4676604 all of which suck.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:24:08 2013 No.4676613 >>4676608 Reported. >Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:26:07 2013 No.4676617 >>4676613 Global rule seven motherfucker.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:28:08 2013 No.4676620 >>4676608 And all of which you've never tried, thus are not warranted to comment on.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:33:09 2013 No.4676638 >>4676620 Wow.. so in your yuropoor hellhole you need to receive a warrant to speak? Here in america we have this thing called free speech. Must suck to need to file paperwork to make a comment.

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:35:08 2013 No.4676644

>>4676163
>Why is "fine dining" restricted to French or I>>4676240
talian cuisines?

It's not

>Why are there no, say, five-star aristocratic Mexican or Chinese or Russian restaurants?

There are. You really need to get out more.

>>4676240
>Whens the last time you thought "boy I'd really like some tacos, but I'd rather pay $100 for them?"

Bad example, man. Anyone with any type of knowledge of Mexican cuisine knows there's more to it than tacos and burritos. That's like equating all Italian food to pizza and spaghetti bolognese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:37:11 2013 No.4676651 >>4676638 Doesn't prevent people from calling you a redneck retard for shitting on food that anyone with an adult palate would love. I bet you eat dinosaur chicken nuggets exclusively.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:42:08 2013 No.4676664 >>4676651 Like you wouldn't eat nuggets of fried dinosaur flesh.

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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:44:07 2013 No.4676670 >>4676665 Oh god I lol'd

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:44:07 2013 No.4676673

>>4676665
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>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 21:51:09 2013 No.4676697 Speaking for the Chinese, there's what we consider luxury food too, like shark fin and swallow's nest. From my own experience, top "fine dining" is reserved for banquets and such.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:22:06 2013 No.4676787 >>4676608 you can see yourself out now, douchebag sorry your mom mixed ketchup and angel hair and told you it was spaghetti

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:32:07 2013 No.4676815

>>4676575
Not quite. Tomatoes were used in Spain from the mid 16th century and Naples, when the Spanish and Neapolitan thrones were consolidated, from the late 16th. That's the 1500s, in case you were unaware.
In the late 17th century (1600s), the first cookbook with a tomato sauce recipe was published in the Neapolitan language, tomatoes prior being used for things other than sauce.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:33:07 2013 No.4676818 >>4676313 >implying french cuisine and culture wasn't famous already in the 13th century >implying haute cuisine isn't starting in the 17th century >implying RUSSIA was more sophisticated than france ever top kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:35:07 2013 No.4676825 >>4676673 >the flag still stands for freedom, >and they can’t take that away Actually, they can.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:36:06 2013 No.4676831 the ignorance of the internet and its inhabitants never cease to amaze me

Anonymous Tue Jul 30 22:54:06 2013 No.4676875

>>4676818
>French cuisine being lauded in the 13th century
Ha! Nope. Even pastry had yet to enter French cuisine from the British isles (yes: the oh so famous French pastry is a British invention) and French cuisine of the 1200s consisted of pottages, perpetual stew and unmilled grains with little to no variety. The French didn't even have bread yet. No: seriously. They didn't. Baking hadn't been introduced yet and flour was relatively unheard of.
They didn't even have crêpes (which originated in Germany and not in France).

The cuisine of Francophonic Europe in the 12th century was bland because France had little to no trade with foreign nations and no concept of cookery beyond stews. Remember: they didn't have the fork yet so they couldn't eat things that weren't boiled mushes or eaten with hands, so sauces were out.
Italophonic Europe, on the other hand, had Amalfi, Ancona, Genoa, and Gaeta not to mention Venice, which were quite powerful in the 12th century and traded with both the Middle East and Ethiopia for spices.
No one cared about French cooking yet. Stop talking nonsense.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 05:14:07 2013 No.4677672

>>4676875
>no concept of cookery beyond stews. Remember: they didn't have the fork yet so they couldn't eat things that weren't boiled mushes or eaten with hands, so sauces were out.

That's fine. Meat + water + salt = delicious broth. That plus meat and root veggies = good enough for me.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 05:22:06 2013 No.4677691

Michelen stars
a food contest organized by a french tire corporation.
what they do is find good restaurants that are in the middle of nowhere so that people have to drive far to or use their road maps to find.

Three stars is exceptional "worth a journey"
Two stars excellent "Worth a detour"
One is a very good restaurant in its category

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 05:42:06 2013 No.4677724 >>4676441 >Lasagne sheets [...] layered with fermented fish, salty goat's ricotta and honey + probably herbs and spices The holy grail of north mediterranean cuisine before tomato was brought back from America.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 06:02:06 2013 No.4677743 >>4677691 You're an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 06:11:06 2013 No.4677747 >>4676875 You have no idea of what you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 06:49:07 2013 No.4677799 >>4676181 gravlax, the archipelago bread - lots of pan-nordic classics can be good high grade gourmet, and there are plenty of nordic high cuisine restaurants around

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 07:17:06 2013 No.4677832 >>4677691 >>4677743 Funnily enough it's the truth.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 07:20:06 2013 No.4677837
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>>4676170
this really should have been /thread

keep freaking out over avocados and yogurt, and please, in the future, stay off the internet. or stick to those boards for dumb hicks like /k/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 07:24:07 2013 No.4677845 There certainly are fine dining Chinese restaurants.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 08:55:07 2013 No.4677924

>>4676181

Well, you could say the same about danish food, yeat NOMA took the new-nordic food to a new level and became the best resturant in the world 3 years on a row.
Traditional "Pork Roast" is not fine dining, but you arent limited to the traditions..

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 09:11:06 2013 No.4677937

>>4677691
This is dumb but it is true that Michelin is really biased, as is a lot of soi-disant "haute cuisine."

Nevertheless, there are tons of gourmet/really good and expensive non-european and fusion restaurants if you go to a big city (NY, London, Tokyo) and actually look around instead of just relying on stereotypes that haven't been applicable for 50 years

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 09:27:06 2013 No.4677958

I don't know where you live OP, but there are definitely fine dining restaurants that are Chinese and Mexican where I live (Louisiana). I am sure there are fine Russian restaurants too. In fact most fine dining restaurants serve "a'la russe" meaning "russian style". The food may not be russian but it is being served in that manner. There is a very famous fine dining Russian restaurant in NYC called the Russian Tea Room

I have been to other fine dining restaurants that were neither French nor Italian lots of times. There is even a fine dining Ethiopian restaurant in Toronto. And you can't throw a cat in most larger cities without hitting a fine dining japaneses restaurant.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 09:42:06 2013 No.4677975 >>4677747 Please read http://www.amazon.com/Regional-Cuisines-Medieval-Europe-Casebooks/dp/0415929946 I know exactly what I'm talking about. It's all there.

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 09:45:07 2013 No.4677980
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>>4676262
What he said.

Also,
>Swiss miss hot chocolate
>a Swedish dish
Even if you had the country right, that's like saying Foster's is Australian cuisine. Learn the differences between a shit drink and an actual meal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 09:45:07 2013 No.4677981 File: 19 KB, 180x284, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4676331 Stay pleb !

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 16:50:08 2013 No.4678830 SD2014

Anonymous Wed Jul 31 19:23:08 2013 No.4679223

>>4676326
yeah high end chinese seafood is my alltime favourite shit. the complimentary soup bowl (restorative). the opulent gold interior with a fukken dragon or a giant double happiness character. choosing your fish out of the seafood tank.

i went to a high end "indian fusion" restaurant and was mad because the bill ended up being like $80 per head and noone even had to butcher a crab for our meal or whatever you know?

>>	/ck/ Wed Jul 31 19:29:08 2013 No.4679243 >>4676163 How about Mexique in Chicago. Chef Carlos Gaytan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 20:09:07 2013 No.4679343 >>4676313 Someone failed his high school history class uh?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 20:25:07 2013 No.4679363 >>4676665 >Scholastic my sides have losted the building

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 20:45:07 2013 No.4679394 >>4679343 I'm sorry you failed it. I'd be happy to tutor you. What time do you get picked up from soccer practise, sport?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 31 23:07:07 2013 No.4679817 >>4676163 Coz you couldn't afford it so you never heard of it... fine chinese restaurant actually exists in big cities, not one but bunch of them. Time to get our of your mom's basement dude.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 13:11:07 2013 No.4680932 >>4676277 We didn't have any spices. That's why. Literally all traditional British food is just meat/veg cooked in fat. The fanciest we get is pastry.

Anonymous Thu Aug 1 13:57:08 2013 No.4681054

Mexican food can really go to high places, ever heard of escamoles, or maguey worms, or candies made from the maguey flower (i'ts this long thick stalk that gets roasted), milk candies and weird beverages like agua de cebada, or tepaches, ahuautles, and pejelagarto, whole pheasant roasted with a clay crust, stone soup, or cochinita pibil, small sweet breads like arrepápalos or escotafiés or gaznates, atoles and pozoles made fresh daily or roasted kid.

The list goes on and in many high class mexican restaurants you'll find french and spanish inspired dishes

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:07:07 2013 No.4681072 >>4680932 This is totally wrong. It's like you people have never read about culinary history.

Sceak !!LciZj2frsW6 Thu Aug 1 14:22:07 2013 No.4681109

>>4676163

It's not. There are fine dining establishments everywhere. If you go to Mexico City, Te'heran, or wherever...there are fine dining establishments.

Does anyone really grasp these cultures to seize the "fine" part of dining...probably not. Little do you remember, freedom fries are indeed, Freedom Fries. Italian cuisine is religion-related. Catholicism.

There are fine Russian dining establishments, there are. They're just rare because not a lot of people realize they're now the only ride we got. There are also few Chinese dining establishments because people don't realize their Phillips TV was manufactured there. There are few Mexican dining establishments because people don't want to think about Hezous picking up the produce that the dishes are made of.

The 1861 war is still going on...probably always will be.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:36:07 2013 No.4681156 >>4681109 It's spelled Jesus, and he's a cool guy, picks vegetables and isn't afraid of any insecticides. He-zeus is the son of god in a little religion I like to call... CATHOLICISM!!ONEONE!

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:37:07 2013 No.4681159 File: 12 KB, 560x407, 1325916891643.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How can you eat mexican food without making a huge mess?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:41:07 2013 No.4681168 >>4681159 use a fork and knife and sit at a table instead of on the tailgate of the work truck.

Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:41:07 2013 No.4681169
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>discover Michelin star system
>look at Spain
>see that they have a shitload of Michelin starred "fine dining" spanish restaurants

perhaps to find the answer to your question, you need to look outside of the box (or amurrika). netflix has a good documentary about 3 star Michelin restaurants that includes a spanish fine dining restaurant and a danish one as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 14:44:07 2013 No.4681173 >>4681169 >Spain >Mexican Food TOP LEL M8

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 15:08:07 2013 No.4681219 >>4681173 Spain can't even speak spanish anymore, they're all "pedo thi tío, etha thorra ethta clueca hombé", do you think they can make any mexican food, fuck, they call chile ají

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 15:10:07 2013 No.4681229 >>4681173 >Why is "fine dining" restricted to French or Italian cuisines?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 15:53:07 2013 No.4681345 bluntly- because the mex or chinese mostly don't write michilin star rating guide books.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 16:18:07 2013 No.4681426 >>4676277 The war happened. Rationing and blockades had such an impact on cooking, it still reverberates though to this century

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 16:40:07 2013 No.4681484 >>4676235 genuinely the most retarded post ive seen for a while please dont breed

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 17:04:08 2013 No.4681545 >>4676163 I'm sure there are but peasants like us haven't been informed.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 17:28:07 2013 No.4681603 i swear we're being invaded today. So many shit/bait threads

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 20:40:13 2013 No.4682039 >>4676363 What is Washington food culture?

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 20:43:07 2013 No.4682047 Why is there no 5 star American cuisine? 5 star hamburgers, 5 star pizza, 5 star italian american food in general, 5 star your mom.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 21:10:07 2013 No.4682127 >>4681169 >not knowing what tapas are i am truley sorry for your lots, retarded faggot

Anonymous Thu Aug 1 21:16:07 2013 No.4682136

All cuisines are peasant food.

Rich people eat whatever is popular internationally (or whatever the extent of their global knowledge was at the time). They pick and choose the rarest and most expensive ingredients for themselves, regardless of place of origin. They import the delicacies of the Earth.

Peasants define a cuisine. They eat what they find on the ground and in the bushes and on the farms. They mix and match what they have to make something tasty. Sometimes a population chances upon something beneficial without even knowing it. Like Mexicans with rice, pinto beans, and corn tortillas. Did you know that the amino acids in these foods combined make a complete protein? Sure, it was luck, but there's a reason it kept people going on the fields.

France and Italy just happen to take their food extra seriously, culturally.

Also, Italians brought their food over and saturated cities with their restaurants. French culture has always been popular (or 'in vogue' or 'a la mode', both French terms without coincidence), whether it be the court of the Sun King or the enlightened Republic or the Kennedy's White House dinners.

There are plenty of fine restaurants of many cuisines all over the world. We just notice those that have been stereotyped as such.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 21:21:07 2013 No.4682146 >>4682136 >Sure, it was luck, what do you mean it was luck? its simple memes bro. Something worked so the idea gets passed down. That's like saying its luck man has opposable thumbs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 21:38:07 2013 No.4682178 >>4676181 I would fund a restaurant that does nothing but different types of Swedish Meatballs. Make that shit out of the best endangered animals in the world.

>>	Anonymous Thu Aug 1 21:39:07 2013 No.4682184 >>4676265 Fucking 5 star post. It's over. You win. Go home rest of the Internet.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 01:31:10 2013 No.4682704

>>4676163
I agree that you don't get out much. Or at least aren't living nearly as progressively as you thought.

There's a crazy nice Thai place around the block from my house, as well as a five star American" style food restaurant as well. Also, a five star vegetarian Indian, and Vietnamese food restaurants. I don't think you've looked into broadening the horizons, but I know a lot of what is around me is where I live.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 06:17:10 2013 No.4683171 >>4679394 Just pick me up when your finished competing at the spelling bee... im sure i wont be waiting long...

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 06:49:10 2013 No.4683189 >>4677958 >Russian Tea Room >closed in 1996 >reopened >closed in 2002 after going bankrupt >reopened in 2006 >gets shitty reviews now You can never go home again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:06:11 2013 No.4683201 >>4676234 HACKA LÖKEN!

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:18:10 2013 No.4683215

>>4681426

For example, carrot cake - carrot cake is pretty damn tasty, though.

>>4681072

This. Just to name a few "popular" items from my Traditional British Cooking book, which aren't meat/veg cooked in fat (>>4680932 - Are you referring to roast dinners and stews?)

>Ploughman's lunch
>Eggy Bread
>Welsh Rabbit (pronounced rare-bit, for those not familar).
>Bubble and squeak
>Toad in the hole

I've skipped out stuff like Lancashire Hotpot/Beef Wellington/Shepard's Pie/Somerset Pork Casserole in case it could be classified as "meat/veg cooked in fat".

There's some more recipes involving rabbit/pheasant/pidgeon which people wouldn't even consider these days (cute wittle rabbit/snobbery maybe? idk/feathered rats).

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:33:11 2013 No.4683231 >>4683215 >bunch of shit on a plate >fried bread soaked in egg >toast in cheese sauce >fried vegetables with potatoes >sausages in batter You could have come up with a more compelling list.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:38:10 2013 No.4683240 >>4676275 looks like pretentious hipster bullshit, that chinese place doesnt even have turning tables

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 07:43:10 2013 No.4683247 >>4676410 Hey, I live about an hour from there. It's pretty good I guess, also I wouldn't call the birthplace of Ike which is right next to a major interstate highway "the middle of nowhere," unless you are from a super urban place like NYC or Chicago.

Anonymous Fri Aug 2 08:04:10 2013 No.4683269

>>4683231

As I said, this is probably more popular/well-known/common dish.

>toast in cheese sauce

How did you get cheese sauce from cheese, worcester sauce, mustard powder, butter, and a tiny amount of milk/ale?

As it turns out, I was somewhat close to the list on the blurb:

>Mulligatawny Soup
>Ploughman's
>Welsh Rabbit
>Beef Wellington
>Farmhouse Venison Pie
>Coronation Chicken
>Haddock with Parsley Sauce
>Apple Brown Betty
>Cherry Syllabub
>Old English Trifle

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 08:10:11 2013 No.4683272 One of the most famous fine dining restaurants in Sydney is Japanese. ~$300 per person and you have to book months in advance. not to mention Jiro's sushi in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 08:17:10 2013 No.4683280 >>4676163 lol because those dishes are the best you spics can do

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 08:20:11 2013 No.4683286 File: 1.57 MB, 285x205, 1367956261413.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>4683280

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 08:21:11 2013 No.4683287 >>4683280 Is that sentence supposed to have a double meaning, because I'm laughing so hard right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 15:20:10 2013 No.4684041 >>4683272 Japanese is inherently classier though. Not in the same league as Chinese

>>	Anonymous Fri Aug 2 15:29:10 2013 No.4684061 >>4676313 This is horse shit. "Russian cuisine" before they started importing French chiefs in the 18th century was literally just cabbage soup and Rye bread and Kvas.

>>	Anonymous Sat Aug 3 02:26:22 2013 No.4685711 >>4676181 >Surströmming How would an American go about procuring this without it costing an arm and a leg? I kinda want to try this.

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