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Anonymous Fri Sep 4 23:56:04 2015 No.6849118 [Reply] [Original]

So I've noticed that whenever cilantro is mentioned, people climb over one another to be the first to say:

>did you know, whether you like cilantro or not is determined by your genes? if you hate cilantro then there's nothing you can do because it's genetic!

And yet this is simply untrue. There is a genetic component to cilantro, but it appears to influence your opinion on it rather than irrevocably determining it:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/09/14/161057954/love-to-hate-cilantro-its-in-your-genes-and-maybe-in-your-head

Which should really be fucking obvious because there are so many of us who used to think cilantro tastes like soap but gradually learned to love it that you would've thought that you'd have encountered one or two of them.

Is it the word 'genetic' that does it? It sounds like such a cool Science Fact that no further thinking is required?

So to return to cilantro: yes it tastes fucking weird. It tastes like soap. You know what else tastes fucking weird? Lots of things, like beer and coffee and all other acquired tastes. You know what you can do to acquire an acquired taste? Keep trying it, rather than making nonsense excuses, "n-no, it's GENETIC, you see", based on inaccurate information to excuse yourself from having to develop your palate.

Yes, this 'cilantro is genetic!' thing grinds my gears, partly because it's so pervasive. It really is ANY TIME someone brings up cilantro, that someone else will have to chime in with le genetics meme.

Cilantro / acquired tastes general?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:01:22 2015 No.6849132 small poll: have you ever tasted soap? do you hate cilantro?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:02:05 2015 No.6849136 >>6849132 no no

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:03:18 2015 No.6849144 >>6849118 Fuck off frogposter. Either you like it or you don't. You actually wrote all of that to say what that we don't already know?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:04:02 2015 No.6849148 >>6849144 >Either you like it or you don't. Applies to literally every food. Unless you think you can be in a state of simultaneously liking and disliking something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:12:07 2015 No.6849178 File: 99 KB, 600x844, Watermelon-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6849148

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:16:05 2015 No.6849193 >>6849148 That pretty much describes my relationship with wine

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:18:05 2015 No.6849199 >>6849118 But I read an infographic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:18:13 2015 No.6849200 >>6849132 I think I've tasted soap but no Cilantro.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:24:21 2015 No.6849213

>>6849118
This is a bit of a rant but I agree. I used to hate coriander but now I'm kind of temporarily addicted to it in a funny way, like I want to try it everyday because it's something new that I'm starting to enjoy. Still tastes a bit funny as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:24:30 2015 No.6849214 >>6849193 And my relationship with my ex.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:25:28 2015 No.6849217 >>6849214 And my relationship with your moms pussy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:25:31 2015 No.6849218 >>6849213 Coriander is known here in the USA as the seeds, cilantro is the leaves of the plant.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:27:35 2015 No.6849223 >>6849218 Ok

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:27:38 2015 No.6849225

I would say your wrong. I've always been very unpicky, and cilantro is literally the only food I don't like. I've been exposed to it since very early on on life. At the same time I have friends who are extremely picky eaters (like have the taste of a 4 year old) and yet they love cilantro and always have. I continually try to like it. I eat salsas and tacos and Bahn mi sandwiches and it doesn't get better. So basically your saying that you're smarter than scientists and you simply can't accept that people have different tastes than you? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your choice of conveyance is a fixed gear bicycle.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:28:15 2015 No.6849229 Same thing with being gay, racist, or pedophile. You can't change your genes and you shouldn't be forced to change who you are!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:33:48 2015 No.6849242 >>6849178 kek

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:34:17 2015 No.6849244

>>6849225
> So basically your saying that you're smarter than scientists

Read the link, anon. Also, I'm not sure scientists ever did say "if you think cilantro tastes like soap then you're never going to be able to change that", I think that was something people falsely picked up on their own.

My point is just that the evidence - both in my own experiences and what I've heard from others - seems to be that it's perfectly possible to find cilantro to taste like soap but then to overcome this and learn to like it. And my link backs that up too - with info sourced from, get this, scientists!

I don't even care if you don't like cilantro - although I think you're missing out. I'm not a picky eater either, and cilantro was one of the very few things I used to really dislike. It tasted just like dish soap. Now I don't notice the soapiness anymore and it tastes fresh more than anything else. It's like an aroma of freshness. Maybe you can't overcome the soapiness, and that's a shame if so. But then lots of people aren't able to learn to like beer or coffee either, and yet it isn't commonly believed that those are things that you are born either liking or disliking. It's only cilantro, and I think that's because people mistake "genetic inclination towards liking/disliking" to mean "totally determined by genes".

It's at least mildly irritating to see people who may well be able to like cilantro being put off by others confidently pushing mistaken cilantro-biodeterminism.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:36:22 2015 No.6849247

>>6849118
So you're a scientist then? Or are you angrily posting from moms basement? Cuz there are many, many sources that say it's genetic. In fact some say that a distaste of cilantro comes from a MORE developed palate, because there is a distasteful chemical that most pick up on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:37:31 2015 No.6849250 >>6849247 *don't pick up on

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:38:44 2015 No.6849253 >>6849247 Read the link I posted in OP. "There is a genetic factor" does not mean "it is determined solely by genetic factors".

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:47:57 2015 No.6849270

>>6849253
I'm not saying you're wrong (although you chose to accept one source while ignoring 50 others, NPR of all things) but to insinuate that an aversion to it I'd due to a petulant child like palate is patently absurd. I've eaten everything from live insects to thousand year old eggs to blood pudding and everything in between.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:51:07 2015 No.6849276 >telling me that i should acquire the taste for soap why don't you acquire the taste for shit so you can eat mine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:55:55 2015 No.6849287 File: 307 KB, 1276x755, 1441381745269.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6849118

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:57:56 2015 No.6849289 >>6849287 Busted

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:58:50 2015 No.6849292

I've liked coriander and it's ability to make dull foods taste fresh and aromatic since I've been a kid. My mom used to put it on a lot of things that I didn't like to get me to eat them. There have been a lot of foods that i developed a taste for later like eggplant, cauliflower and dark chocolate but coriander was instant addiction to me. So if there are people who don't like it there must be a genetic element to it and since it's not nutritious like veggies, exclusive like dark chocolate or socially important like beer people don't give it a chance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 00:59:32 2015 No.6849294 >>6849132 yes yes I remember taco bell had those 'real' tacos for a while and they were just packed with cilantro. All my friends loved that shit but I thought it was so fucking bad, that soapy flavor with the floury tortilla.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:01:05 2015 No.6849301

>>6849270
I can't find any sources that justify the assertion that the soapiness can't be overcome. The ones that make that assertion seem to pull it from nowhere. I've also found another source that backs up my position: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/14/dining/14curious.html?_r=0

>“When your brain detects a potential threat, it narrows your attention,” Dr. Gottfried told me in a telephone conversation. “You don’t need to know that a dangerous food has a hint of asparagus and sorrel to it. You just get it away from your mouth.”

>But he explained that every new experience causes the brain to update and enlarge its set of patterns, and this can lead to a shift in how we perceive a food.

Also a bunch of people saying that they used to find cilantro to taste soapy, but learned to like it:

http://ask.metafilter.com/115309/How-to-acquire-a-taste-for-cilantro
http://www.seriouseats.com/talk/2013/03/is-there-a-cilantro-gene.html

Also, I didn't mean to imply that people who don't like cilantro are being stubborn and childish. More that the probably false 'fact' that liking or disliking cilantro is determined entirely by genes seems to be parroted any time cilantro is mentioned, and this may well be putting off people from trying to like it, making them treat it not like a usual acquired taste but as something they have to either have already or will not be able to acquire.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:01:14 2015 No.6849302 >>6849132 yes no

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:01:19 2015 No.6849303 >>6849118 >cilantro Stupid Amerifats.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:06:27 2015 No.6849320

>>6849225
The way you write is literally retarded. Seems you do not have much reading comprehension. He is explaining that all those things are acquired tastes. Not everyone is going acquire it, despite trying. I bet there are even people without the genetic defect that don't like cilantro either, just because you're mentally defective and can't like cilantro either due because of genetics or just bad taste doesn't mean everyone that has genetic defects is going to be the same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:06:48 2015 No.6849322 >>6849303 Yes nothing more fattening than a fresh herb

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:08:39 2015 No.6849330 >>6849320 Apparently the way you read is retarded. Your arguing with yourself idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:10:05 2015 No.6849332 >>6849320 I just can't understand why everyone doesn't like the same things as me waaah waaah waah

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:11:07 2015 No.6849336 >>6849330 >>6849332 OP here. This >>6849320 isn't me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:13:07 2015 No.6849339 >>6849320 There used to be a style of writing that was not based on Internet comments. Ask your mom about it, unless your angry that she didn't cook your favorite chicken nuggets for dinner tonight.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:14:16 2015 No.6849341 >>6849336 All good OP. Night folks.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:30:22 2015 No.6849362

>>6849118
>>6849303

why dont you call it by its real name coriander which the rest of the world uses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriander

not some spanish mexican substitute word. 'cilantro' it was first called coriander when introduced to the USA by the brits. anyway free education lesson over. sprinkle it freshly chopped on food. most people who claim to hate coriander have eaten in not knowing what it was and loved it. tell them its something else and they'll eat it. easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:31:35 2015 No.6849367 >>6849118 >cilantro tastes like soap What the fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:33:39 2015 No.6849372 >>6849247 Libtard please

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:33:53 2015 No.6849373

>>6849362
Because this is a predominantly American website. I'm not even American myself but I'm not going to force a majority to accept my language. I'm the odd one out so I'll adapt.

>most people who claim to hate coriander have eaten in not knowing what it was and loved it. tell them its something else and they'll eat it. easy

Not true, I didn't even know what the fuck coriander was when I first had it, only that there was some ingredient that dishes occasionally had in that made them soap-tasting and inedible.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:33:56 2015 No.6849374 >>6849132 yes no, sometimes it can be overwhelming in homemade guac but that is about proportion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:34:13 2015 No.6849375 >>6849362 Because Americans are special little snowflakes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:35:56 2015 No.6849381 >>6849375 Keep huffing our farts, eurocuck

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:39:20 2015 No.6849385

>>6849276
>>6849287
kek

>>6849362
we call the seeds coriander and the leaves cilantro to differentiate. and i guarantee you if you put cilantro, even in a miniscule amount, onto a dish, people are going to know its there. its one of the most overpowering spices out there, even the smallest sprinkle on top of a taco or enchiladas or soup or whatever else, that's all you can taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:40:42 2015 No.6849387 File: 15 KB, 300x300, Whambulance.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread deserves the whambluance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 01:52:00 2015 No.6849413 >>6849118 I've tasted soap Used to hate cilantro Now I like it with certain stuff

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:05:19 2015 No.6849436

You don't have to abuse cilantro in foods, it won't taste soapy unless you're doing something wrong.

I believe it's the same for cardamom. But I have no idea how to use cardamom, no matter how well it smells, it's tastes like soap, I hate it.

And Rosemary makes vegetables taste like meat (or cheap meat, idk). It bothers me, I don't like meat.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:06:59 2015 No.6849441 >>6849217 >fucking some random old woman you don't even like without disliking simultaneously that's depressing

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:25:13 2015 No.6849475

>>6849436
>And Rosemary makes vegetables taste like meat

I'm willing to bet you've just assoicate the flavor of Rosemary with meat because it is often used as a spice/herb on meats. Associations are a difficult thing to shake, it sucks you can't enjoy it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 02:37:38 2015 No.6849490

>>6849475
Maybe that's that. On vegetables it recalls me of ground meat cooked with it. But it's something more related to the bovine meat than fish, for example. If I cook TVP with it I literally can't distinguish the two until chewing it and feeling it with my tongue.

For a period I didn't eat red/chicken meat but ate fish. In fish the taste of it is more crisp, might be the fat of meat that obscures it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:00:20 2015 No.6849524 >>6849118 I've always liked cilantro and it has never remotely tasted like soap to me. And it's not like I'm hispanic or Indian and grew up eating a shit ton of it either.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:05:12 2015 No.6849532 >>6849132 it tastes a bit like soap smells, but I still like it.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:11:01 2015 No.6849537

>>6849118
You can't take away the
>No, I'm just a super taster. My superior taste buds mean I can detect things you can not, and so the reason I don't like it is because my taste is superior to yours!
away from them. It will annihilate one more of the preciously rare justifications provided by science!™, and that's just mean.

Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:35:39 2015 No.6849570
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>>6849118
>So to return to cilantro: yes it tastes fucking weird. It tastes like soap.

Went to a new Mexican joint hereabouts (Mr.Miguel's, on Ryan and 11 Mile in Warren MI, which seems to be owned by an Arab and staffed by Blacks?...) and got their wet burrito, which had so much cilantro it tasted like I was washing the dishes. Blah!

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:37:03 2015 No.6849571 Acquired taste seems like bullshit, you either like it or you don't

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:38:15 2015 No.6849572 >>6849571 I hope you enjoy being retarded, because you're probably going to be stuck that way for life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:39:23 2015 No.6849574 >>6849132 Yes. No. Nothing about cilantro reminds me of soap. Unless I accidentally get soap on it somehow.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 03:40:32 2015 No.6849576 >>6849571 I can tell you from personal experience that I definitely acquired a taste for cilantro. I hated it at first. Now I love it. Also see comments from other people saying the same thing, in the links in >>6849301.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:01:58 2015 No.6849596 >>6849572 Ebin Castrate yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:02:51 2015 No.6849599 >>6849596 You first.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:04:28 2015 No.6849602 >>6849599 No YOU first

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:06:36 2015 No.6849605 >>6849602 no u

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:36:03 2015 No.6849642 So on our wedding night I told my new wife the oly thing that I don't like is cilantro. The next day she made me a cilantro sandwich. It was a plan to get me to hate her cooking right away so she would never have to cook again.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 04:37:27 2015 No.6849644 >>6849602 >>6849605 Neither of you have any genitals.

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 06:23:53 2015 No.6849749 >>6849132 Oh yes Hell no

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 08:32:31 2015 No.6849877 thanks for taking the time to say this OP, it bugs me too. one of those pieces of pop science that doesn't mean what people think it means. >>6849132 yes no

>>	Anonymous Sat Sep 5 08:40:47 2015 No.6849894 >>6849225 >I would say your wrong. ANECDOTEANECDOTEANECDOTEANECDOTE Nice la

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