/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.7112097]

why is there such a stigmata when it comes to ordering steak well done

like, why do people get so much angrier about this than other foods

i only started eating meat when i was 20 so that might be why i don't understand

[Anonymous No.7112101]

>>7112097
I don't think any well done steak could suffer from stigmata.

[Anonymous No.7112113]

Well done steak
Cream of Carbonara
Chili Con Carne with Beans
Pimeapple on pizzas
Mayonaise on sandwiches
etc.

[Anonymous No.7112115]

>>7112097
because people are pretentious wankers who think their preferences are objectively what's correct

>abloo it's an insult to the factory farmed abused murdered non-grass fed cow

[Anonymous No.7112121]

>>7112097
Because cooking it beyond medium dries it out and destroys its texture and flavor. It's the worst thing you can do to a steak short of smearing it with baby shit.

[Anonymous No.7112125]

>>7112097
Because you will ruin the meat. It will dry out, shrink and it will get rubbery. If it was an expensive cut your would get in a restaurant, the cooks will be mad to destroy something beatiful.

or ofcource >>7112115 le meme taste is subjective

ask yourself what is wrong with putting a pizza in the blender.

What is wrong with room temperature beer.

[Anonymous No.7112132]

Imagine you have this amazing piece of whatever you eat, maybe a shoe.

And it can be so amazing, as long as enough attention and knowledge is put in it. Then someone comes along and burns the shit out of it, and puts fucking ketchup all over, eats it and says it isnt there cup of tea, and says they dont like it, and demands a refund or sats all of that food is bad.

Or they burn the shit out if it and drench it in shitty sauce and say they are really good at cooking.

[Anonymous No.7112137]

>>7112132
>doesn't even cook his steak
>claims to put attention and knowledge in it
just because you don't know how to cook it all the way through doesn't mean the people that actually can cook it are wrong

[Anonymous No.7112142]

>>7112137
I know this is b8, but what makes you think it isnt cooked all the way through?

[Anonymous No.7112145]

>>7112142
what makes you think he really thinks that if you know it's bait?

your post made me angry.

[Anonymous No.7112147]

>>7112097
stigmata?

[Anonymous No.7112149]

>>7112137
>overcooks steak to the point where its flavor, texture and moisture are ruined
>has to douse it in sauce to make it edible
>"lel it's actually cooked"
>mfw

[Anonymous No.7112150]

>>7112097
because plebs with the intelligence of cavemen think they need to eat like its 10,000 bc since they believe their appendix will remove the food poisoning

[Anonymous No.7112151]

>>7112097
>stigmata

I don't think that word means what you think it means...

[Anonymous No.7112154]

>stigmata

[Anonymous No.7112159]

>stigmata

Jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.7112188]

>>7112121

This. It's simply not how you cook a steak.

A well done steak is like crunchy pasta.

[Anonymous No.7112194]

>>7112159
>>7112147
>>7112154
>>7112151
stigmata is the plural form of stigma
his grammar is still wrong though

[Anonymous No.7112225]

>>7112194
>such A stigmata
>A

a is singular

[Anonymous No.7112231]

>>7112188
>A well done steak is like crunchy pasta.
Not even close.

[Anonymous No.7112240]

>>7112097
I think more people actually get annoyed about it because they don't like to see good meat wasted, more so than because they care how someone likes it

We could see an excellently made pizza get burnt too and we'd be annoyed about that. Wouldn't bother us if you preferred your pizza burnt but it'd still be annoying.

[Anonymous No.7112247]

>>7112231

Yes it is. You are eating steak wrong. You are a bad cook and a bad eater and should probably kill yourself so the probability of you spreading your genes is zero instead of approaching zero.

[Anonymous No.7112255]

>stigmata

[Anonymous No.7112256]

>>7112121

On the other hand, if the steak is getting old, it can hide that fact.

I think it was in his first book that Anthony Bordain (sp?) said that people who order well done steaks give chefs a chance to get rid of some steaks that they would not be able to serve cooked medium because of off tastes.

So we should be happy when someone orders a steak medium -- it helps the restaurant get rid of their steaks that have been sitting around instead of them having to throw them out with the result of increased food costs and therefore increased prices.

[Anonymous No.7112260]

Oops

>>7112256
>So we should be happy when someone orders a steak medium

Should have read:

So we should be happy when someone orders a well done steak

[Anonymous No.7112262]

>>7112256

>restaurants serve people who order food well done rotten steaks

Sounds about right.

[Anonymous No.7112271]

>>7112097

>Stigmata

[Anonymous No.7112289]

>>7112225
his grammar is still wrong though

[Anonymous No.7112296]

>>7112113
>Mayonaise on sandwiches

What's the issue? Mayo is simply the best condiment to combine with chicken.

[Anonymous No.7112297]

It's babbys first elitism. Takes no effort or skill but still a way for people to feel superior to others.

[Anonymous No.7112302]

>>7112296
Tikka sauce is better

[Anonymous No.7112311]

[Anonymous No.7112377]

you know what i find hilarious about the people that get all pissy about well done steak? Usually their argument is a bunch of shit

"they are ruining the steak"
"that is an expensive cut of meat and they are destroying it"

hey, guess what, if the person who ordered it thinks its GOOD that way, it hasnt been ruined. It has only been ruined if it is made inedible. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it is ruined. Let those idiots eat their well done steak. Let them put ketchup on their steak if they want. WHO FUCKING CARES? IT ISNT YOUR FUCKING FOOD ASSHOLE!

btw. I find steak to be overrated, period. I also don't like the gummy texture of a rare steak, OR the chewy dried out texture of a well done steak.

[Anonymous No.7112417]

I think a cooked through steak is just fine, the problem is accomplishing that without drying it out.

[Anonymous No.7112426]

It's just about the only foodstuff where every restaurant has to ask how you want it cooked, because it's the most adventurous thing some people will ever eat. Let's be honest, 99% of people that "like" well done steak are actually just squeamish.

Sure, it's technically no skin off my back when someone does it, but it's also technically no skin off my back that we put safety labels on plastic bags because some people are idiots. It just very, very slightly drags society down.

So yes, it annoys me to see the living embodiment of the dead weight side of our collective bell curve.

[Anonymous No.7112438]

>>7112113
>Well done steak
Ew.

>Cream of Carbonara
White pasta sauce looks like jizz.

>Chili Con Carne with Beans
Damn right, kidney beans are the shit.

>PiNeapple on pizzas
Not natural

>Mayonaise on sandwiches
It's all good, hated mayo until recently. I have seen the light.

[Anonymous No.7112487]

>>7112438
Get a load of this baby.

[Anonymous No.7112815]

>>7112377
we are JUDGING your for your SHITTY TASTE
and there's nothing you can do to STOP us
DEAL with it you CUMGUZZLER

[Anonymous No.7113352]

>>7112815
you clearly didn't read the part where he says he doesn't like well done steak. He was just insulting you for caring what other people eat.

[Anonymous No.7113355]

>>7112097
>Why is there such a stigma asking my barber to just fuck my shit up

[Anonymous No.7113361]

>>7112097
Pretty sure the word you were looking for was stigma. Stigmata is like a tattoo put on young girls genitals to mark them as witches

[Anonymous No.7113406]

>>7112302
Not needing ID to purchase a fork is best

[Anonymous No.7113451]

Because there is no rational need to order it that way. It is safe at 145F, it does not get any safer beyond that. I wish you could just order steaks like that, since every place will have different measures for rare or medium, like the "ayy just squeeze your palm" sort of erratic techniques.

[Anonymous No.7113459]

>>7112097
Retard

[Anonymous No.7113462]

>>7113451
This chart is awful

[Anonymous No.7113467]

>>7113462
Explain.

[Anonymous No.7113475]

>>7112097
Dunno if bait, but...

Steaks are nicer, more tender cuts of beef with less connective tissue. The flavor and tenderness is best experienced when there's still pink to red in the center. People get upset because it's kind of a waste of money to get it well done. It really is, but hey, it's your choice, and their problem. Do what you want. Honestly though, if you're going to get well done steak, you ought to get a slow-cooked cut. braised, stewed, like pot roast or something. More bang for the buck than a tough, expensive steak. Nothin wrong with that.

[Anonymous No.7113490]

>>7112487
You got me.
Former picky eater in recovery here.

[afatoldman No.7113718]

>>7112097
Because in our eyes you are ruining a very nice piece of meat.

Ignore us, eat it the way you like it. Although you may want to try a medium-rare steak sometime to see how you like it.

[Anonymous No.7113734]

>>7113451
This is completely fucking wrong and misleading

[Anonymous No.7113741]

>>7113734
Which part and why?

[Anonymous No.7113817]

>>7113718
i've never ordered a steak cooked more than medium rare, and i usually get it rare. it's just something i've noticed.

[Anonymous No.7113841]

>>7112438
>PiNeapple on pizzas
>Not natural
pizza isn't natural
pork'n'pineapple is one of the GOAT flavour combos, especially on pizza

[Anonymous No.7113844]

The strange thing to me was that growing up in an area where cattle far outnumber people, far more old-time ranchers in the area tended to order steaks well done than rare. That was just the way they grew up eating beef.

[Anonymous No.7113854]

>>7113844
that or they knew how shit quality the beef was and the overall cleanliness of it.

[Anonymous No.7113859]

>>7112097
I get it if that's the way you like it to taste, some people don't like the texture of undercooked meat/fat

But what I don't get is when you slather it in sauce. Show some damn respect to the animal that died so you could have a delicious meal and actually taste the meat instead of using it as a vehicle for your sauce you fucking fatasses

[Anonymous No.7113862]

>>7113841
If you enjoy cocks up your ass, I suppose

[Anonymous No.7113865]

>>7113862
most people enjoy cocks up their ass anon
it's where the P-spot is

[Anonymous No.7113872]

>>7113859
It's just protein, and A1 tastes good.

[None !!IXEwc+P4cYj No.7113875]

>>7112115
Bingo, I say order or cook your steak how u like it

[Anonymous No.7114244]

I think it's kind of ruining it, it often becomes too chewy and tastes worse to me.

I saw people on /ck/ also prefer their steaks basically rare as possible to the point of it being blue or just straight up raw_but_cooked_a_bit.

I personally like mine medium rare, I don't like my food to feel cold(er) in the middle it just feels disgusting in my mouth, for some reason visually looking at it and seeing it bright pink feels like it just shouldn't be that way to me, even if it's totally fine.

That makes sense to me and that's what I like, do whatever you enjoy the most.

[Anonymous No.7114273]

>>7113862
The pizza dough is a blank portrait upon which an artist paints. You can put literally anything on it and it'll still be correct. Make a syrup and egg breakfast pizza. Make an Italian dressing salad pizza. Make a gravy and mashed potato pizza. Be creative, have fun with it. Stop being such a boring pleb.

[Anonymous No.7114287]

>>7114273

[Anonymous No.7114291]

>>7112113
>implying pineapple on pizzas ISN'T the shit

[Anonymous No.7114341]

>my friends looks of disghust when I order steak tartare

[Anonymous No.7114681]

>>7112097
Depends on the cut of meat. With prime cuts the purpose is to taste the quality of the beef which is best expressed at rare temps.

[Anonymous No.7114778]

The classic touch test is a pretty good lesson in why you shouldn't overcook a steak. Essentially, the fleshy part of the palm at the base of the thumb can be used to gauge what a steak should feel like at different levels of doneness. With your hand open it's raw, touch the thumb and forefinger together and it's rare, thumb to middle finger is medium-well, thumb to ring finger is medium, and thumb to pinky is well done. Try those out and understand why a well done steak is unnecessarily tough.

Also, a steak will dry out when well done, meaning that it turns to dry pap in the mouth, thus the need for sauces.

Furthermore, different cuts of beef with more connective tissue taste far, far better when thoroughly cooked than a steak does.

Finally, the only reason people order well done steak is because they're squeamish about pink meat, but they're succumbing to the peer pressure that tells them that a steak is premium food. They'd be happier with a nice stew or piece of brisket.

If you like your steak well done, then good for you, but don't pretend that it hasn't been cooked wrongly.

[Anonymous No.7114788]

Ooga booga

What is fire?

Meat better bloody and parasite ridden!

[Anonymous No.7114802]

>>7114291
*ISN'T shit

[Anonymous No.7114803]

>>7114778
>a nice stew or piece of brisket.

This is so true. If you're scared of pink meat, whatever, but have something that's actually good when it's cooked for a long time. Slow cooked meat is amazing, well done steak is aiming for the worst possible cooking time for beef and hitting it square in the middle.

[Anonymous No.7114810]

>>7112097
i doubt anyone gets angry or anything even close to that but imo steaks are tougher when well done and also they get dry.

[Anonymous No.7114899]

>>7114810
>>7114810
>IMO

That isn't an opinion, its a obvious fact of cooking meat.


Literally the only people who wont eat rare steak are picky eaters who are squeamish of anything different. In my experience they also (though I'm not saying this is the rule) tend to be the ones who eat the same mediocre comfort foods and variations thereof.

[Anonymous No.7114914]

>>7112262
jep found also heard this from diffent sources. Some one who order a steak well done wouldn't notice the difference in quality anyway. And again the cooks are mad.

[Anonymous No.7114948]

have people here ever considered that someone just likes the texture and taste of a well-done steak?

it's not like they are eating fucking feces, it's just an overcooked steak and some people like that.

[Anonymous No.7114951]

>>7112101
Oh you.

[Anonymous No.7116035]

Is blue steak nice?

I usually get mine quite rare and I'm curious but shit is expensive.

[Anonymous No.7117143]

>>7112097
It's similar to making sexual innuendos about the Queen.

Steak is considered a premium food. It is expensive and there is a pretty well established way in which it should be served. The difference in quality between medium rare and well done is so large, that many chefs will see it as a complete waste of produce. In other words, you're throwing $10 in the trash and wasting 10 minutes of your time every time a person orders well done.

[Anonymous No.7117145]

>>7117143
You're only throwing $10 in the trash and wasting 10 minutes if the customer refuses to eat it.

[Anonymous No.7117146]

>>7116035
If you don't like it, you could try cooking it a bit more. It's not ideal and it will probably dry it out a bit, but it's by no means wasted.

[Anonymous No.7117838]

>>7113352
"you" as in "people who eat steak well done"

[Anonymous No.7117843]

>>7112125
I eat my steak medium-rare to rare, fuck the chefs mate.....if a customer comes in and pays whatever for a steak and asks for it to be rolled in shit, as a chef, you do it....the customer is paying noone gives a fuck what the chefs think.

As for whats wrong with room temperature beer, a fuckin lot if you live in Australia....

[Anonymous No.7117888]

>>7112097
It just makes it taste bad. People getting mad at others for it is basically a meme at this point

[Anonymous No.7117891]

something dies for you to eat it and you're going to ruin it.

[Anonymous No.7117894]

>>7114273
You must be from California.

[Anonymous No.7117950]

>>7114899
>Literally the only people who wont eat rare steak are picky eaters who are squeamish of anything different.
Literally not true. I am not a picky eater (I had unagi just last night) and I don't eat rare steak. I don't eat well done steak either. I get medium. Because rare has a sort of a gummy texture to me that isn't enticing. And I don't really find that the rare tastes any better than a medium steak (probably because I don't like the texture, and texture and mouth feel actually do affect how you taste things. Probably the same reason I can't ever order Calamari. Because it gets rubbery if it isn't cooked exactly right, and it is really easy to fuck up). I dont like the dry chewy steak of well done, either.

But this whole "anyone who doesn't eat what I eat (or drink the beer i drink) are picky children with no palates needs to stop. it is the one of the worst forms of self aggrandizement. The lowering of other people based on meaningless tastes and opinions so you feel slightly superior.

[Anonymous No.7117966]

>>7117950
lel

unagi is what boring whitebreads think is exotic gastronomic skydiving

get back to me when you're eating something more adventurous than a grilled fillet-o-fish glazed in teriyaki sauce

[Anonymous No.7119966]

>>7112149
he probably puts steak sauce on it. lol

[Anonymous No.7119973]

>>7117894
>shit "people" from the flyover states say

[Anonymous No.7119974]

>>7112097
sometimes I overcook my steak by accident. I let it rest so it's still flavourful and juicy. It's still good, just a different flavour profile that I don't enjoy as much as I enjoy medium rare steak.

[Anonymous No.7120029]

>Stigmata

My opinion is that if you order a steak at many places, you will get a thin piece of dry, burnt leather. If you order a steak medium rare at the same place, then you get a steak that is thicker and juicier, but at the cost of foodbourne illness.

[Anonymous No.7120244]

>>7112137
i actually kek'd

[Anonymous No.7120530]

>>7112097
A well done steak doesn't taste good to me. I like medium, it's juicy and easy to chew not to mention delicious.

[Anonymous No.7120539]

Nobody cares at a restaurant.

It's your own preference. However, it can show a lack of refinement if it's half a dinner, and half a job interview. If you're not interviewing for law, business or medicine then it's probably not a concern for you anyways. Since dinner isn't part of the equation.

You also never season the steak before tasting it in those situations. I apparently over salt things so I just have a couple bites beforehand, just because.

[Anonymous No.7120543]

>>7112097
>why is there such a stigmata when it comes to ordering steak well done
because steak is expensive and it ruins the steak

[Anonymous No.7120569]

>>7112125

>It will dry out

Nigger, I cook well done all the time and it still ends up juicy and great. Clearly, you suck ass at cooking a well done steak.

[Anonymous No.7120577]

>>7117143

It tastes better well done to certain people. The idea is that you make the customer happy, not appease your ego.

If you think that your ego is more important as a cook, then you're a bad cook, period.

[Anonymous No.7120620]

>>7112097
The main disadvantage to ordering a steak well-done is textural. As you cook meat to a higher and higher temperature, the muscle fibers contract, squeezing out valuable moisture into your pan where it promptly evaporates. That moisture could have been making your steak jucier. This is why people mock well-done steak as being equivalent to shoe leather.

A proper steak is seared with extremely high heat to create a good, flavorful crust on the outside, while cooking the interior to the perfect compromise between tenderness and texture.

[Anonymous No.7120992]

>>7120539

People on 4chan like this.. On 4chan.. Talking about this.. On 4chan.. Over such simple-attained meme-knowledge.. On 4chan.. Talking about the sophistication of life...

.... On 4chan...

Over such an easy to guess way of thinking on this pretentious meme saturated board.. living sophisticated.. in their basement with a hostess fruit pie and a mtn dew..

on 4chan....

A lack of sophistication... on 4chan..

[Anonymous No.7121058]

>>7112097
>stigmata

[Anonymous No.7121162]

>>7113361
>Stigmata is like a tattoo put on young girls genitals to mark them as witches
wtf?

[Anonymous No.7121205]

>>7121162
its not hard, you fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.7121784]

>>7120620

Also, you can't taste it if the meat is getting old.

[Anonymous No.7121812]

It's really simple.

The people who prefer well done steaks are fucking stupid. Everyone of them honestly think that the juice is blood and it isn't fully cooked until "all the blood" is gone....

There is no point in arguing w/ these dipshits.

Would you waste your time arguing with an asshat who says they prefer a pizza that is cooked for 30 minutes in a 500 degree oven? No, you'd just realize they were fucking stupid and move on

[Anonymous No.7121844]

>>7121812
>Muh way iz teh onlee way n of u dizagre den u be rayciz n shit

Give reason for your beliefs or fuck off

[Anonymous No.7121856]

Here is a perfectly cooked pizza because it's the way I like it. Anyone who wonders how this pizza could taste good or wouldn't even try it is just a fucking food snob