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8280791 No.8280791 [Reply] [Original]

What does /ck/ think of him?

Is he really a good cook or just a good actor with a temper?

>> No.8280815

>>8280791
Both.
Now he mostly is just an actor with a (mostly pretended) temper and an entrepreneur, but he is (or was at least) definitely a good cok imho

>> No.8280821

He was the former and is now the latter.

When was the last time he actually ran his own restaurants properly, in the kitchen day after day?

>> No.8280823

PAN
NICE
AND
HOT

>> No.8280849

>>8280791

Confession time. I have grown to find Ramsay absolutely unbearable after watching numerous Marco Pierre White interviews and cooking videos. If we're really being honest Marco is the "father" here. I see so much of Marco in Gordon in the way he talks, his pointers, his dishes, everything. I also find the way Marco talks and cooks to be very relaxing. I won't lie I have spent up to an hour watching his interviews and cooking videos before I sleep. I find them very relaxing. He would make an excellent orator and the way he tells stories is incredible. He truly has a way with words. Marcos reputation of being this fierce monster is overblown by the media and I feel the Gordon is really just a cocky prick.


I feel the same way about Jacques Pepin. Superb chef, very nice soul, personable. Once you explore other chefs you'll grow out of Ramsay. I feel like he is "babies first chef" in a sense. Just a massive celebrity meme chef. A "chef" who really is not even a chef anymore. He has restaurants, he knows how to cook, but does he physically go into a restaurant daily and work in the kitchen? No he does not. Marco Pierre White turned in his 3 Michelin stars when he retired because he felt that if he retired but retained them, he would be living a lie of sorts. He truly is a better chef than Ramsay and much more respectable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-xCIstDBaI

>> No.8280866

>>8280849
OP here. I just watched a video on Marco White talking about Ramsay and damn, his voice is so relaxing. I dont know when I'll grow out of Ramsay but hopefully its soon, he seems like a cuck now.

>> No.8280879

>>8280791
He was a beast in his time when he was still struggling under numerous chefs, but now he's just cashing in on shows. I still respect him for all his work.

>> No.8280881

>>8280849

You sound like a working class chump. I bet you thought it would be a great "investment", how you would wake up to a warm, healthy breakfast to start off your long day. Maybe, you even had a couple thoughts about all the other nifty little uses you could find for the thing, how it would help you cook healthier meals in general, shed a couple pounds off the old gut, boost your confidence around work and with the ladies. Yeah, maybe that slow cooker would start your life cooking again, wouldn't it? I can see your strained hands holding the box and reading through it carefully at the store. A little bit pricey, but you're the type of guy who thinks everything is more than you can spend, aren't you. And look what happened to you. Look what the slow cooker did to you. Fucked you over, and made you clean it like a useless bitch. You don't even fucking like oatmeal. Piece of shit, you've been repeating those three words your whole life, haven't you. Yeah, how was work after that piece of shit fucked you over? I bet it was on your mind the whole day, you probably didn't say shit to nobody. Can't be telling people about your mistakes. How your little fix yourself plan, failed you. Don't want people to start thinking you're the failure. You're the piece of shit, all along. You don't want that do you? You don't want to be the piece of shit everybody secretly whispers about, do you? Was your father a piece of shit like you? I bet he never had a slow cooker. He had a woman, a house, a damn good job. I bet it's slow cooking you the fuck alive, isn't it. Comparing yourself to him. How one day when all the steam runs our of your life, you'll discover how you're nothing more than burnt shit to be scrapped off and thrown in the trash.

>> No.8280886

>>8280791
He is a meme.He is just good at french cuisine

>> No.8280894
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8280894

>>8280791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-MmDQtx9Q

>"Because the quality of the king crab is so delicious, it doesn't need much more."
>proceeds to cover it with mayonnaise

What. the. fuck.

>> No.8280896

>>8280881

Didn't bother reading your post except for the first sentence. In response though, your assumption is quite wrong.

>> No.8280897

Keith Floyd is better than them all

>> No.8280899

great chef and restaurateur. Very entertaining Kitchen Nightmares is pure kino

>> No.8280908

Patrician Ramsay:

Boiling Point
Beyond Boiling Point
Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares (UK)

Decent Ramsay:

Hells Kitchen (UK)

Plebian Ramsay:

Kitchen Nightmares (US)
Hells Kitchen (US)

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8280909

>>8280908

>> No.8280910

>>8280908
No Coming Back Tier:
Hotel Hell/Hotel Nightmares

would you agree?

>> No.8280914

>>8280908
100%

The emotions and the conversation on UK kitchen Nightmares is just real. You can see real struggling business, people breaking down as they're not fit to be good cooks, things like that.

US Kitchen nightmares is just

"THIS FOOD IS SHIT"
"HEY FUCK YOU GOR-DON RAM-SAY"

>> No.8280927

>>8280791
Any idea where the lamb sauce might be, lads?

>> No.8280928

>>8280908
>>8280910
Accurate.

Although Kitchen Nightmares USA is still my guilty pleasure.

>> No.8281221

>>8280914
Maybe this has to do with americans being more self-absorbed and narcistic.

>> No.8281283

>>8280914
>The emotions and the conversation on UK kitchen Nightmares is just real. You can see real struggling business, people breaking down as they're not fit to be good cooks, things like that.
Not to mention Ramsay is FAR more chill in the UK Kitchen Nightmares. He still gets angry but whenever he does its usually a down to earth annoyance as opposed to the "YOU DID THIS FUCKING WRONG YOU'RE A GOD DAMN FAILURE" thing he plays up for American audiences.

One of my favorite episodes of the UK show is the one where he's helping the restaurant of a friend hire a new cook, and the whole episode is a very subdued "Ok, here's how the restaurant business actually handles these decisions". No screaming at the top of his lungs, just a guy showing off his knowledge of running a restaurant.

>> No.8281314

>>8280849
Knorr

Nice and shilled

>> No.8281317

>>8280896
Good, its pasta

>> No.8281321

>>8280791
Both

>> No.8281324

Watch the cooking show he did with kids.

>> No.8281335

>>8281221
kitchen nightmares USA is far more formularised

>> No.8281466
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>>8280791
OLIVE AWL;
IN

>> No.8281476

>>8280849

His origin story is mostly bullshit though

>> No.8281550

>>8281476
Are we talking about chefs or comic book characters?

>> No.8281582

>>8280791
fucking PORCODIO!

>> No.8281643

>>8280897
This lad knows

>> No.8281933

>>8280908
Beyond Boiling Point is tabloid trash

>> No.8282103

>>8280894
He makes a condiment, something that compliments crab. You don't have to use it, but it would be boring without. The mayonaise doesn't go all over the crabs so I fail to see the >implications you >implied.

Did you even watch the video?

>> No.8282107

MEME
OLD
AND
STALE

>> No.8282145

>>8281283
That's sort of endemic to American television in general, though.

Compare UK produced nature documentaries to US ones for further examples.

>> No.8282164

>>8282145

Yep. It's clearly the fault of the producers rather than Ramsay.

>> No.8282172

>>8280908
>no ultimate cookery course

kys

>> No.8282438
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>>8280791
He is a good chef turned businessman. It was sad to see him fall.

>> No.8282463

>>8280791
He was a successful chef with numerous acclaimed restaurants before he became a tv personality.

tv just happens to be a lot more lucrative for your career and brand so that's where his focus went.

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>>8280791
The longer you look at his picture, the more retarded it looks.

>> No.8282498

>>8280849
Pepin is absolutely without equal. White is really based too.

>> No.8282503

I like him

you guys need to settle down

>> No.8282534

>>8280815
Mostly agree, but he's not even an actor. He's a salesman.
>>8280866
White has some old man faults and seems to have given up somewhat as well, but his antics annoy me less than Ramsay. They're less contrived even though similarly painful to witness. And yeah, I think you're right about the cocky prick part. It's the difference in ego. White has to have a giant one, he just wears it better.

>> No.8282550

>>8281466
what the fuck is this

>> No.8282557

>>8282550
Is that how to basic? LEL

>> No.8282629

>>8281476
SOURCE

>> No.8282666

>>8281466
damn what a cool chef, puts egg shell in his dishes and doesn;t afraid of anything

>> No.8282762

>>8280849

This.

Ramsey and his stuff are good but there are a lot more interesting and thought-envoking 'celebrity' chefs out there.

>> No.8282827

>>8282534
>old man faults
Would you like to further explain your opinion? I'm just curious what you think about Marco from saying that.

>> No.8282917
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8282917

There's arguments here about which shows protray what sides of this guy are great and which are horrible, but it's important to remember producers and editors. Of course the American versions of his shows are retarded, could you expect anything more when it's productized that way?

The interesting thing to me is that there's footage of this guy from the start of his career until now. You can see the apprentice, you can see the the cockiness of his attitude when he finally gets to a place where's he's slightly above kitchen peon.

Then you see him shut the fuck down by Marco. Marco was right, he chose to cry. Ramsay learned a lesson that day and became an old man.

The problem with being an old man is that the past seems really far away. One forgets apprenticeship and learning.

However, GR is someone I can empathize with. I try and take my time with noobs. Like in the idiot sandwich scenario, the guy took his time, he had his patience, he didn't immediately explode. He lost it when he couldn't impart that listening and being humble was the actual lesson he was trying to impart. It gets frustrating when service is on the line and I can't blame him.

What I see in the end is someone who only gets upset for two reasons. First, when someone else has zero self respect and imparts it on a dining guest and second when someone is so retarded they can't understand "don't burn it for the 30th time". In the end, they're both self-esteem issues he gets upset about. You have to learn to know your role, do it well, and then you can get succeed. One needs to be broken sometimes, and we've seen him be broken on camera.

>> No.8283891

>>8282666
doesnt?

>> No.8283931

>>8280908
What about F-Word
It is tabloid nonsense, Scottish screaming and cooking
I go to his channel and look for the highlights

>> No.8283959

>>8280849
You should watch the Oxford interview with MPW if you haven't already. I do think Ramsay is an incredibly skilled chef, but my personal taste leads me to liking others much more.

If you like Jacques Pepin, then you have to watch Raymond Blanc. He has a whole series on that's now on youtube called how to cook well. You have to check it out. MPW used to work for Raymond and has said that Raymond has the best palate in the world.

>> No.8284315

>>8280910
I like Hotel Nightmares because one of the episodes was shot in the small town I live in

>> No.8284443

>>8282917
When people say
>stopped reading there
I always think that it's not in protest, pride, or disregard but rather just a base and selfless opportunity to shit post.

But honestly when I saw the word "productized", I lost every shred of respect for your post and your opinions. Even if English is not your "lengua madre". You need to start googling every word that isn't cat or dog so you don't waste people's fucking time with your idiotly worded bullshit.

I actually think productized is a word, alby it, not a very common one. But you would not use it in that meaning and not with a condition of "that way" afterwards.

Eat only oatmeal for a week and save up for a fucking dictionary.

>> No.8284462

Kitchen Nightmares UK is the only show of his I've watched and enjoyed, but I think it's great.
Like, the very first episode of the first season, where the "chef" is some dumb kid who can't tell beef from fish, Ramsay still tries to genuinely help him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvmhmGchTx4&list=PL9iRkjvEKSjsTEQtjdLDe5ovu7Q1GtMT7

>> No.8284529

>>8284443
>don't waste people's fucking time with your idiotly worded bullshit
>idiotly worded bullshit
>idiotly

Maybe you should follow your own advice?
>Eat only oatmeal for a week and save up for a fucking dictionary.

>> No.8284677

>>8284462
>that camerawork

>> No.8284691

>>8281335
this. Tbh I always thought the businesses and 'staff' in the US series were just actors and sets and that the whole thing was staged, at least in comparison to his UK series'

>> No.8284697

>>8284691
I live near where one of the restaurants was.

I never bothered eating there because it was mexican food and there's loads of that shit here.

By the time I saw the episode about it on TV reruns, the place was already closed down and replaced with a burger place

Which also failed

>> No.8284710

olive oil

in

>> No.8284711

>>8280791

He's a child with no depth of character, good cook and salesman though.

>> No.8284728

>>8284711
Don't confuse the man with the TV personality

>> No.8284739

>>8284728

The way he talked in glee about stealing his own book of reservations to cast suspicion on Marco even after he was already much older was just cringey.

Either he and Marco are putting on a very good and long lasting rivalry act for TV and it's all part of that, or he really is a bit of a child.

>> No.8284844

>>8280791
a nice mix of both

>> No.8285971

>>8284844
more like a bad mix

>> No.8286875

>>8282827
The tendency for old guys to not care about things, go through crisis, those sorts of things. I intend to die young, so take it with a grain of salt.

>> No.8286888

>>8280791
I THINK ITS A MIXTURE OF BOTH.

>> No.8286896

>>8286888
Caps Kun

>> No.8287133

>>8284443
Dude this rabbit hole is going so fucking deep like holy shit

>alby it

>> No.8287282

>>8280791
He's not a good cook... his restaurants focus on good ingredients, not good technique, and even on that they fail as they were serving frozen foods at like a 600% mark-up a few years ago. Nor is he a particularly good actor, given that his range of emotions is roughly two. He remembers some quips his writers give him and then just goes.

What he is GREAT at is marketing and self-promotion. He's a goddamned genius at that. Excellent business man; he fucked over his father-in-law for cash, organized a heist of his own guest book and recipe book at his first restaurant so he could make the papers and generate flow via sympathy there.

But no, the man is shit at food. Just watch a few episodes of Kitchen Nightmares and realize his solutions almost always involve ground beef in some form.

>> No.8287350

>>8287282

>his restaurants focus on good ingredients, not good technique, and even on that they fail as they were serving frozen foods

So? Jiro's fish are frozen too, only the result counts.

>> No.8287360

>>8287350
You're right about that, except for the fact that Ramsay publicly stated for years, repeatedly, how he hates restaurants that do this, how it cheats customers, how he'd always serve "fresh, clean, good" ingredients, etc.

And then it turns out that he was, in fact, a liar.

>> No.8287366

>>8287360
You seem to be ignoring context.

He would only serve "fresh clean good" ingredients in the context of fine dining. We're talking restaurants with michelin stars here.

That's not the same thing at all as a PUB, which is where the frozen food was being served.

For some reason people seem to miss that fact.

>> No.8289592

>>8287282
Have you been to social eating house or the Savoy? Because there is some serious technique going on.

>> No.8289741

>>8281221
No its because that's what americans want to watch so that's how the show is made

>> No.8289753

Why's he always honing his knife?

>> No.8289796

>>8287282
He personally earned 3 Michelin stars as head chef of his own restaurant. He is a "good cook" by any possible objective standard.

>> No.8289884

>>8284443
masterful meme my main man

>> No.8289889

>>8289753
keep it straight lah

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>>8289753
I'm not sure if this is standard practice, but I was taught to always use a steel both before and after service.

>> No.8289983

>>8282666
haha okay now i have to say this video is pretty epic i didnt even notice the eggfails :D

>> No.8291435

>>8281466
this loses its charm without the sound
>that I want that
>tosser

>> No.8292633

>>8280791
he's both

>> No.8292657

>>8289753
cause you are suppose to

>> No.8292679

>>8284443
>alby it
Top quality spicy bait

>> No.8292754

>>8280791

He's pretty obviously the 2nd greatest chef to ever live, behind Robuchon.

MPW is a jealous chump.

>> No.8292758

>>8280791
He jumps around to much like a monkey

>> No.8293148

>>8282145
>UK nature documentaries
"The lion is, essentially, a big cat, and it shows. When it has spotted its prey, it waits..."
[shot of gazelle unaware that it's about to be killed]
"and it pounces."
[shots of lions killing and dragging the gazelle back to the pride]
"It's a hearty meal, and the lion's share goes, of course, straight to the father of the pride himself."

>US nature documentaries
[WOOSH]
THE LION
[orchestral hit]
NATURE'S DEADLIEST PREDATOR
[dramatic zoom as lions wait to pounce]
THEY KNOW JUST WHERE TO STRIKE

THIS
[shot of lion jumping]
GAZELLE
[shot of gazelle looking into the camera terrified]
IS
[back to lion]
DONE FOR
[lion bites gazelle in the neck, killing it]

THIS IS ONE LADY YOU DON'T WANT A HICKY FROM
[gratuitous zoom-ins on the gore as the carcass is being devoured by the pride]

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>> No.8294740

>>8282172
Ultimate cookery and Home Cooking are peak Ramsay.

>> No.8294928

>>8281466
Post it with sound

>> No.8294937

>>8283891
enjoying your first month on 4chan, lad?

>> No.8296580

>>8280815
hehe, you said cock

>> No.8296716

have any of you guys ever eaten at Hell's Kitchen? Is the foid any good

>> No.8297242

>>8281466
source?

>> No.8297387

>>8294928
webem's with sound don't work on this board pleb.

>> No.8297397

>>8280791
He's a fucking hack

He says you can mix Extra Virgin Olive Oil with butter to keep butter from burning on high heat.....wtf

>> No.8297400 [DELETED] 

KEITH FLOYD IS THE ANSWER. ALWAYS THE ANSWER.

>> No.8297634

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gFISD70aoE

>> No.8297846

>>8280791
bouth

>> No.8298060

>>8280896
You're an idiot

>> No.8299145

>>8297634
cinematography is great but he looks so bad with the botox and makeup

>> No.8299479

>>8280910
IT'S LIKE A MOSAIC
OF SEMEN

>> No.8299587

>>8299479
hotel hell is watchable. im not sure that is good though since 95.36% of television is unwatchable...

>> No.8299868

>>8289753
Most professional chefs hone their blades before and after every shift.

They sharpen them once a month as well.

Most home cooks can double or triple that length of time because they use their utensils significantly less.

>> No.8299917

Can I have a fried egg chef?

>> No.8301462

>>8299145
That's what working in the culinary industry does to you

>> No.8301584

>>8280791

He is a very very fucking good cook. Unbelievably so.

People here just jelly as fuck because he 'sold out' or whatever and started to explore other avenues in his career of food which made him serious money.

Do you have to like his personality? No. I don't. I think he's a tit, and, as a Scotsman, I cringe every time he plays the Scotland card. But do you have to respect him as a chef. Yes. You fucking do.

>> No.8301713

>>8284443
kek'd

>> No.8302473

>>8297242
Yes it's funny crispy pancakes on youtube

>> No.8302808

>>8280849
> he's literally been hypnotized into consuming one celebrity's shit instead of another's
What a funny cuck. I bet Gordon makes you all tense and insecure, makes you remember how you got bullied in school? Ha ha ha, you'll always be a fag if that's how easy it is to get under your skin.

>> No.8302828

>>8293367
Would fuck that cheflet with braces so hard.

>> No.8303294

>>8299917

Are you that much of a pleb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFjpucf5Q3A

>> No.8303312

>>8280849
"If we're really being honest," HAHA. you got that from marco didnt you

>> No.8303945

>>8281221
Kitchen Nightmares US is pretty much a drama show. From the production to the script.

>He doesn't like the food
DRAMATIC MUSIC
>Hey I dont like this it was dry
>HEY FUCK YOU GOR-DON RAM-SAY
>FUCK YOU TOO GUY YOU'RE GOING TO DIE BROKE AND ON THE STREET
>Maybe you're right Gor-don Ram-Say I'll try your suggestions now

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8304048

Is a rice cooker a good investment?

>> No.8304072

>>8282498
Pepin is a truly great chef, and he's also far more accessible than any other celebrity chef out there. He is hands down the best introduction to proper French cooking you'll find anywhere.

>> No.8304111

>>8304072
I would second that. On the PBS shows, he seems layed back and easygoing. I remember he but parmegianno on his seafood pasta and chuckled saying some will scream about it, but he likes it that way.

>> No.8304137

>>8304048
yes

>> No.8304143

For the umpteenth time: yes.

Now shut up and rewatch kitchen nightmares.

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>>8281466
sucks there's no sound because of moot's last act of faggotry and hiro is too busy making new dead boards to fix it

>> No.8305136

>>8303312

Yes finally you caught on anon 10 points for you

>> No.8305139

>>8302808

>Baby's first chef

You'll grow up soon

>> No.8305149

>>8284315
You live in juneau

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I'm trying to learn to cook and watched his cookery course. I've made a few things and they turned out pretty good.

Pic is onions and peppers. I just have a hard time getting some of the ingredients

>> No.8305243

>>8304048
>investment
You can buy one for like $15, and that's here where everything's expensive.
Buy a small and simple one. Just do it.

>> No.8305697

>>8280866
show me?

>> No.8305846

>>8280791
>Basically both.
He's held 3 michelin stars, so he's undeniably a great chef. He's also a good media manipulator, and probably focusing on that side more cause he wants money/providing for family -- bonus is he gets to travel the world.

>> No.8305964

>>8280914
Don't forget, in the American version they sometimes have sponsors. e.g.

Ramsay: "I've just got off the phone with VULCAN® and they have sent a VULCAN® grill and a VULCAN® fryer out of the kindness of their heart.

Restaurant owner: "wow i sure do like VULCAN® i will always buy VULCAN® products in the future."

>> No.8306836

>>8282164

Well it's his fault in the end. He could quit the show. He doesn't care about quality in TV the way he cares about quality in food, because he has tunnel vision or is a hypocrite or something.

But yeah it's definitely the producers etc. who are directly responsible for it, not him.