/ck/ - Food & Cooking

[Anonymous No.9581538]

Fast food workers deserve $15 an ho-

[Anonymous No.9581543]

>>9581538
-ur.
Great thread, liked, favorited and subscribed.

[Anonymous No.9581578]

Everybody should be NEET

[Anonymous No.9581588]

[Anonymous No.9581726]

>>9581538
nobody but them said that though

[Anonymous No.9583195]

Never have this problem with mcchicken

[Anonymous No.9583197]

>>9581538
Make sure to click that subscripe button

[Anonymous No.9583202]

Buy cheap burgers get cheap burgers, let your dollar do the talking and take your business elsewhere. Thus is the joys of capitalism.

[Anonymous No.9583213]

I once ordered a Mayo chicken and there was NO chicken burger. It was just a mayo and lettuce sandwich. Couldn't even get a refund because I was already home.

[Anonymous No.9583219]

I still hope this somehow becomes a law to pay retards with mcjobs 15 an hour. it would instantly make it cheaper and smarter for the owners to invest in touch screen cashiers, and even automated cooking. there should really only be a couple people in fast food joints at this point just to make sure the machines run right. just imagine a correct order no matter if you asked for one simple thing and its not fucked up, and its even cooked properly.

mcjob niggers are so short sighted, they dont realize they would gas their own shitty jobs if this 15 dollar an hour thing happens...which it wont, sadly.

[Anonymous No.9583225]

>get paid pennies for making shitty 2 dollar sandwiches
Yeah I wonder why they aren't trying so hard

[Anonymous No.9583227]

>>9583202
Uh huh. Except every other retard with money to burn, no good sense and a fast food addiction is going to keep those guys in business anyway, so. You know.

[Anonymous No.9583231]

I love that minimum wage is like $19/h in Australia

[Anonymous No.9583239]

>>9583231
and somehow fast food still exists

its $11 here in massachusetts and you can still get shit for cheap

[Anonymous No.9583249]

>>9583227
Survival of the fittest my mang.

[Anonymous No.9583255]

>>9583239
Fastfood makes no sense here. Its expensive as fuck and the same price as decent food

[Anonymous No.9583267]

>>9581538
I can't wait for the minimum wage to be $15 an hour. Then it'll be much more economical to just replace everyone with robots who get my order correct every time.

[Anonymous No.9583283]

>>9583255
yeah, fast food is like 6-7 dollars for a meal, right? thats fucking retarded. yet people still line up to do this.
>wait in a line
>pay 7 dollars
>wait even longer
>get shitty food
>the order is wrong
this is "fast" food.

[Anonymous No.9583303]

yall niggas act like fast food is wrong 100% of the time

i work at a fast food place and it's barely ever wrong and if it is we fix it with priority over current orders

its not a hard policy to follow and is universal

[Anonymous No.9583332]

>>9583283
$9 for a big Mac "meal".

>>9583303
And? Frequency is higher because its unskilled work

[Anonymous No.9583379]

>>9581578
we want minimum wage for NEETS>>9581538

[Anonymous No.9583465]

>>9583231
>19 ausbux
What's that in big macs

[Anonymous No.9583512]

>>9583303
it usually is if you modify anything, in my experience it is at least.
>no mayo
thats it. Thats the only thing I want changed yet what do I get every single time? I make a point of being very clear about it too and they still give me mayo.
this reason alone is why I rarely eat fast food, I take it back almost every time then its a huge deal.

[Anonymous No.9583564]

>>9583332
Frequency is higher because turn over is so high. And that's because it's such a low paying job. New hires are the people who typically fuck up an order. Quality and accuracy would improve if the people who working there stayed long enough to know their jobs.

[Anonymous No.9583568]

>>9583283
This is why I get fucking comments from my fat, poor coworkers every single lunch break.

>anon how can you afford to eat ($6.95 worth of) leftover steak every day
>shovels $4.95 chik-fil-a burger in mouth, grabs $2.50 worth of french fries, and washes it down with $2.00 of sugar water
>someone else shoves $2.95 carton of prefabricated microwave Macaroni and Cheese into microwave and tears open an $11 bag of beef jerky

[Anonymous No.9583622]

>>9583465
3.75 ausbigmacs or 5 usbicmacs

>>9583564

Correct, but that just further validates my argument while doing nothing for yours.

[Anonymous No.9583707]

>>9583303
I sit there in the drive thru after you hand me the food to check that the order is right.

More times than not, the order is wrong. If I just spent $30 on chicken from Bojangles for my family then when I ask to substitute thighs for breasts, and you ask me to pay extra to do so, then why the fuck would I not check that I got what I paid for?

Furthermore why wouldn't the 17yo niglet working the window check before handing it to me?

[Anonymous No.9583720]

>>9583707
He won't check cuz fukk you racists
It's just a cultural problem with the black work ethic in general, they won't work for shit unless they feel they're being compensated correctly, then they'll continue to slack off as long as no one in a position above them is watching

[Anonymous No.9583749]

>>9583231
But you pay more for everything and the only thing you don't import is lamb sandwiches.

[Anonymous No.9583755]

>>9583749
Didn't McD's USA have some kind of controversy around the 00's that the beef they we're using was Aussie and not American? I remember there being some kind of spat about this

[Anonymous No.9583839]

>>9583749
Yeah but we pay relatively less compared to the minimum wage, except for housing and that's due to other issues.

>>9583755
What's so bad about this?

[Anonymous No.9583891]

>>9583839
>What's so bad about this?
You're taking profits away from American farmers to support some derro cunts down under
That money would have stayed in America, and it's a lot of money considering it's McDs

[Anonymous No.9583899]

>>9583891
As if McDonalds even supports america
-tax evading
-shitty contracts that nearly ruin farmers

[Anonymous No.9583905]

>>9583899
Money is still money, and the more of it going to support American farmers over Aussie ones the better as I see it

[Anonymous No.9585017]

Fuck fast food workers, I can't wait for automation to obsolete them. A robot won't fuck up my order as much, nor give me attitude when I politely ask them to correct it.

[Anonymous No.9585047]

>>9581538
>ordering a fish filet and expecting anything but disappointment

[Anonymous No.9585059]

>>9583512
i got taco bell last night. asked for no lettuce, got lettuce. Asked for no ice, got ice. Asked for sauce after I was handed my meal, got attitude and was begrudgingly handed sauce.

[Anonymous No.9585073]

>>9583707
Because workers don't give a shit about customers. Are you really that surprised?

[Anonymous No.9585109]

>>9585059
Here the only taco bell employees are middle aged mexicans who actually do the job they're supposed to because it's their living rather than just cash on the side like teenagers and students. The one time they fucked my order up was when they just threw in a chalup or gordita or whatever in my bag in addition to what I ordered. I checked the receipt and I wasn't charged for it.

[Anonymous No.9585130]

>>9581538
higher pay = higher quality employees

[Anonymous No.9585315]

Raising minimum wage or giving basic income will just increase the cost of living and completely negate any supposed benefits people argue.

[Anonymous No.9585327]

>>9585315
I'm glad there are more conservatives on this board.

[Anonymous No.9585363]

>>9585315
Yeah, because we all know that rent prices are very dependent on raising the wadges of people that work in retail and fast food joints. And raising the wage will really affect the salary of people that already get paid more than $15 and hour along the supply chains (which is where the costs are really incurred). Great logic there buddy, the world is definitely as simple as you make it out to be.

[Anonymous No.9585395]

>>9583568
This, holy shit.

I now make probably 3x what most of my coworkers make, but they're the ones going out and spending $9 on fast food every day, while I'm having less than $3 worth of leftovers from good food I cooked at home last night.

[Anonymous No.9585404]

>>9585363
Fuck your mother you commie piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.9585418]

>>9585363
If the company is having to deal out more money to cover payroll then the prices for their good are going to go up to accommodate. This happens all the time already. They already cut back on benefits by hiring more part-time work than full-time, so they don't have to give employees benefits. There's more to the matter than what you think.

[Anonymous No.9585425]

>>9585315
but muh magical money coming from nowhere

[Anonymous No.9585489]

>>9585418
What's the solution? I'll be the first commie to admit that raising min wage is nothing more than a crutch. But you can't expect people to continue making $7-8 for the next 20 years either. Prices have been and will continue to increase regardless of minimum wage. You either increase wages, or people fall back on the state to the care of them.

[Anonymous No.9585495]

>>9583227
If your not buying their product, how does it effect you?

[Anonymous No.9585513]

>>9585489
Change needs to help at the reform level. There needs to be a good look at the reality of what's happening and trying to rectify the damage that's been done and plug the loop hole. I'm not the man for the job, I'm rather unsure what should happen.

[Anonymous No.9585518]

>>9585489
Not him but the solution is to lower the cost of living, but there's no way to do it that the free marketers won't riot against.
The other option is to keep doing what we're doing until our economy fully collapses, the dollar is no longer the international standard and we start all over again. This would of course plunge many people into abject poverty in the process.

[Anonymous No.9585547]

>>9585489
>prices have been and will continue to increase
I actually expect things to come back down at a certain point. As things become more efficient, prices should come down. As we speak, there are some major ports that are becoming fully automated, which should cut down on costs. Maybe prices will increase in the next few years, but population growth going down (due to many factors that include male infertility rates) and automation should create some reduction in cost of living. This is all assuming that corporations don't just increase the prizes for the fuck of it, which can be done if they buy enough senators to legislate the competition out of business.

[Anonymous No.9585548]

Giant national chains need to collapse. People need to stop borrowing money for houses, cars, etc. Banks need to collapse, etc.
Basically the economy needs to shrink, not grow. This will cause a lot of chaos and hardship, but when the dust clears we'll be in a better position to manage things like wages and CoL. At least until the economy starts growing again.

[Anonymous No.9585556]

>>9581588
sauce on game?

[Anonymous No.9585557]

>>9585548
We're not going back to the Gold Standard, you can get that dumb idea out of your head right now

[Anonymous No.9585575]

>>9585556
it's a resident evil tie-in movie
Resident Evil Vendetta

[Anonymous No.9585580]

>>9585547
Or collude with the competition to fix prices.
Anyway, automation isn't the answer either because while it does reduce costs it does so buy reducing jobs. So the people the robots replace don't have the money to buy the cheaper goods anyway.
The hard truth that nobody wants to admit is that there is no fixing the economy. We're approaching the top off the roller coaster and there's nowhere to go but down, and it's gonna be a scary ride. This happens to all big societies.
What makes it worse for the US is that thanks to post WWII and its side effects the economy grew astronomically fast, which is going to make the shrinkage even worse.

[Anonymous No.9585584]

>>9585557
Never said we should. Going back to the gold standard is a band-aid on a gunshot wound at best.

[Anonymous No.9585589]

>>9585580
A citizens wage isn't going to happen, you commies with your pie in the sky Star Trek view of how the world should be run is fanciful at best

[Anonymous No.9585619]

>>9585580
I actually think that infrastructure spending could help ease the pain. Things will become automated, but there needs to be a change in infrastructure to really maximize the use of new technologies. This is the kind of massive project the US will have to overtake to maintain its dominance anyway. It might not be a permanent solution, but it could employ many people across the country. You are right though, it will be a scary ride.

[Anonymous No.9585631]

>>9583219
>tfw you walk into a mcdonald's and the cashier can barely speak english

[Anonymous No.9585641]

>>9585589
Neither will your free market utopia

[Anonymous No.9585657]

>>9585641
No shit, no one admits letting the free market run it's own course is a good idea except complete idiots
The market needs oversight, period, if it doesn't then shit like Enron and Abramoff or whatever his name was, would happen more often

[Anonymous No.9585726]

>>9585589
I'm assuming you replied to the wrong post because I didn't mention anything about citizen wages or communism.
Besides, big communist economies are susceptible to the same forces as big capitalist economies.
All big economies fail, that's the pill nobody wants to swallow.

[Anonymous No.9585753]

The economy runs on meta and it's a highly unreliable by how much it changes

[Anonymous No.9585761]

>>9583568
>tfw meal at Wendies is just about $4
Grilled chicken Go wrap, a small cup of chili and water. It's filling and has a fair bit of protein in it.

[Anonymous No.9585764]

>>9585631
>that feel when I'm the only white guy and the only one who can speak english
>one of them told me I should learn spanish so I would know when someone at work talked bad about me
>meaning they all talked shit about me

[Anonymous No.9587150]

Our managers spazz the fuck out if we don't rush the assembly, give them shit, not us.

[Anonymous No.9587631]

>>9581538

[Anonymous No.9587644]

>>9581538
>fast food workers deserve shit pay and shit treatment
>fast food workers need to produce wonderful results all the time

[Anonymous No.9587654]

Savory donuts are fantastic. If you fuckers haven't tried these with cream cheese, I don't know what you're doing with your life.

[Anonymous No.9587664]

Fast Food is one of the worst things to happen to both public health and the economy

[Anonymous No.9587826]

>>9581538
Nope they do not, they all should be replaced by robots (and will soon). So when i order my vegetarian cheesburger without cheese and with bacon, i will get what i ordered.

[Anonymous No.9587963]

>>9587644
>wonderful results

Few expect the food to look like the photoshopped adverts, but we do expect them to get the order right and make sure it's properly on the damn bun. If you can't do that why should you get $15?

[Anonymous No.9587991]

>>9587963
>lots of stupidity
Who the fuck wants to get shit right for thankless, shit work. Inb4 yet another rehash of the retard logic that is shit pay for shit work because it's always been the other way around.

[Anonymous No.9588009]

>>9583231
The cost of living in Australia is far higher, though.

[Anonymous No.9588153]

>>9587991
>expecting a bare minimum level of competence is stupidity
I'm done wasting my time with you.

[Anonymous No.9588163]

>>9588153
But you are the embodiment of time wasted, famalam. Think of what it took to get your ignorant ass to where it is now.

[Anonymous No.9588178]

>>9583213
Once ordered a bacon and egg bagel and they forgot the bacon. I only order fast food about 5 times a year and they make a mistake half the time.

[Anonymous No.9588186]

>>9581538
They don't.

[Anonymous No.9588233]

>go to wendy's
>order a burger with no cheese, no mayo
>get burger with cheese
>go inside
>tell them problem
>get another burger
>no toppings except mayo
They don't deserve what they're currently making.

[Anonymous No.9588300]

>>9583219
>actually looking forward to mass joblessness through automation
Sorry, you were talking about other people being short-sighted? Do go on.

[Anonymous No.9588308]

>>9585418
You drastically overestimate the inflation as well as the areas of inflation. Your argument is bullshit that sounds good if you don't investigate the specifics that you're regurgitating.

UBI is being tried and seems to work, high min wage is in place around the world, Socialized medicine is in place around the world. They work, and it's fucking retarded when Americans call these things bad or impossible.

[Anonymous No.9588324]

>>9588300
UBI

[Anonymous No.9588337]

>>9588324
Universal Basic Income, something 100% necessary once automation properly hits the service industry.

[Anonymous No.9588339]

>>9588308
>They work
It's almost as if they're backed by the actions of larger, stronger economies running tremendous deficits alongside them. The question isn't if they're sustainable on their own as no major modern economic and social system is. Rather, the question is if they're robust enough to survive substantial social/demographic change. I'd wager that a relatively loose system like that used by the Americans is more able to adapt to large changes (for instance a massive influx of unskilled labor) than a rigid system like that of the Limeys (whose system is already proving itself insufficient in urban areas due to a similar influx in unskilled labor).

tldr both systems can't last but ours will last longer, enjoy paying for a caliphate who chooses to reject your culture entirely :):):)

[Anonymous No.9588356]

>>9583303
I was a shift lead at a fast food place. We were wrong enough that I would laugh at people that come in to complain with something like "I DROVE HOME AND MY ORDER WAS WRONG AND I HAD TO DRIVE 30 MINUTES BACK!" Check your food before you leave the window. Retard.
The management prioritizes hiring bottom of the barrel idiots because they're unlikely to ever move up to something better.

[Anonymous No.9588362]

>>9588339
>ours will last longer.
Debatable.

[Anonymous No.9588383]

>>9588339
>our active fucking of the poor and unskilled with no tax relief will last longer than their mitigation of the effects of automation and reasonable tax rates
That's just asinine, anon.

The US is one epidemic away from the entire middle class collapsing.

[Anonymous No.9588514]

[Anonymous No.9588550]

>>9588308
No use debating deranged trumpflakes. They just love getting sodomized by big business, when you call em out for that they just screech
>At least its not the state

They are hopeless cases. The fact that the poorer the county the more likely it is to vote GOP shows how warped is the understanding of a typical american hick.

[Anonymous No.9588555]

>>9581538
if they were paid 15$ things like the photo wouldn't happen

[Anonymous No.9588559]

>>9588339
>america is getting sodomised on all fronts by capitalism
>But muh slims!!!!!1

[Anonymous No.9588605]

>>9588550
This post reaks of douchey liberal, just get over yourself from one lib to another

>>9588555
That's a nice assumption you got there

[Anonymous No.9588608]

>>9587991
>Who the fuck wants to get shit right for thankless, shit work
People who want to keep their job. Welcome to the real world, kid.

[Anonymous No.9588609]

>>9588605
>Douchey liberal
You are pretty triggered

[Anonymous No.9588610]

>>9588555
How can you prove something that is demonstrably false?

[Anonymous No.9588611]

>be american
>get shot
>go bankrupt cuz surgery bill is too high
At least I'm not a communist, amirite?!

[Anonymous No.9588616]

>>9588609
Nice argument

[Anonymous No.9588618]

>>9588611
Rather dead than red

[Anonymous No.9588620]

>>9588618
Well your wish will come true, anon.

[Anonymous No.9588624]

>>9588620
That's all I wanted, sweet release

[Anonymous No.9588631]

>>9588611
it's actually even more fun than that!
>get shot
>taken to nearest hospital and stabilized
>hospital isn't "in-network," taken to another hospital
>network doctor is out today, have to stay overnight
>finally get into surgery
>pay massive deductible and go home
>next day a letter comes
>the anesthesiologist was out of network
>I owe the hospital 20,000 dollars

[Anonymous No.9588638]

>>9588555
This is a surprisingly common way of thinking, and it literally never works.
Think about it:
>do shit work
>complain about pay
>receive raise
>continue doing shit work
If you want a raise, you have to show you're worth it. And at that point, you're probably in line for the store's manager position.

The only way raising the base wage for fast food jobs could possibly work is if standards for employees were also raised.
No more kids landing their first job at McDick's. No more illiterate or generally ignorant people flipping burgers. Suddenly, fast food job openings are listed with prerequisites and require prior experience. Can you imagine if fast food jobs were no longer entry level positions? It'd be impossible for a large percentage of people to get a first job.

[Anonymous No.9588651]

>>9588233
doesn't wendy's (and all the other fast food chains) have hamburgers without cheese as separate items?

[Anonymous No.9588652]

>>9585575
The movies was already ridiculous with Damnation. Vendetta was just full retard, how good it is depending on your retard tolerance

[Anonymous No.9588655]

>>9588178
They make mistakes 2 and a half times?

[Anonymous No.9588656]

>>9588638
>>9588555
It's generally up for debate whether a higher wage would inspire more give-a-shit in minimum wage workers, as anon said higher wages means better work because the wages attract a better class of worker.

I don't think upping the minimum wage would increase the quality of minimum wage workers, but it would certainly help to prevent the economic collapse we're barreling towards.

Also
>can you imagine fast food jobs not being entry level?
The major chains are at the tail end of live testing automated ordering and cooking - we're looking at fast food jobs being cut by up to 80% in the very near future. The plan is to make the night skeleton crews of 2 people the norm at all hours.

[Anonymous No.9588659]

>>9588616
nice butthurt, trumpflake

[Anonymous No.9588660]

>>9588655
Is this the level of education that Americans receive?

[Anonymous No.9588661]

>>9588631
FAKE NEWS!!!!1 AMERICAN PRIVATE HEALTHCARE IS THE BEST IN DA WORLD!!!!

[Anonymous No.9588673]

>>9588656
>it would certainly help to prevent the economic collapse we're barreling towards.
In what way?
The minimum wage goes up, but raising the minimum wage almost never affects the pay of people already making more than the minimum. And then you have the companies that think "people have more money now so we can charge more", so everyone else gets fucked.

[Anonymous No.9588679]

>>9588660
You're not actually going to argue that half of five isn't two and half. No on's that stupid.

[Anonymous No.9588680]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMIkWyiJp0k

[Anonymous No.9588684]

>>9588679
So this is the power of the greatest country in history...

[Anonymous No.9588686]

>>9588673
Anon, raising the purchasing power of the poor while keeping the purchasing power of the middle class the same doesn't lead to inflation. It leads to a bigger middle class.

If we do nothing about income inequality we will quickly find ourselves without the purchasing power to maintain our own economy - increasing the minimum wage is a small step towards addressing that problem.

[Anonymous No.9588691]

>>9588605
>>9588610
>>9588638
>>9588656
I'm not even being political here. I do IT, if they pay me crap I do exactly what I been paid to do, If they pay me well I make documentation and proposals to improve the system.
All around where I live, if you pay peanuts you get monkey shit. Construction, electricity, teaching, hell, even bread. Want better service? Pay more. Corporations are the worst offenders in the free market: they try to get the best work for less the money with strange methods like indoctrinating workers or shitty non monetary incentives. That simply don't work and it's anti-competition practices.

[Anonymous No.9588693]

>>9588686
And how are you planning to ensure that purchasing power remains the same? Once prices rise as a result of the now raised minimum wage, everyone else is essentially making less than before.

[Anonymous No.9588701]

>>9588693
>how are you planning to ensure that purchasing power remains the same?
what?

You literally just agreed with me that only those on minimum wage will see their purchasing power change.

>Once prices go up
I just explained to you that because you're only increasing the purchasing power of the poor (which was supplemented by federal assistance before minimum wage goes up anyway) prices don't change.

You realize you're literally making the same debunked argument the GOP makes EVERY TIME we go to raise the minimum wage, right?

[Anonymous No.9588704]

>>9588673
Rich people eat and shit exactly the same that poor people. They spend more money than poor people, in absolutes, but in relatives they save more money that they spend. They immobilize money, and if money don't circulate, economy dies.
Also, it's false they create jobs. Business create jobs, people who make money don't create jobs

[Anonymous No.9588710]

>>9588701
>You literally just agreed with me
I most certainly did not.
Everyone who already makes more than the minimum and does not see a comparable raise will be able to afford less than before once companies raise their prices.

>prices don't change
Except they do. They have every time.

[Anonymous No.9588716]

>>9588701
Republishits are their own worst enemies, they've been primed to attack all solutions that are positive for them, cuz
>Muh socialism

[Anonymous No.9588721]

>>9588716
Stop replying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.9588725]

>>9588710
>I most certainly did not.
>>9588673
>raising the minimum wage almost never effects the pay of people already making more than the minimum

Yes you did.

>Everyone who already makes more than the minimum and does not see a comparable raise will be able to afford less than before once companies raise their prices.
Anon, the crux of my argument is that the poor's purchasing power is already supplemented by the government and the purchasing power of the middle class won't change. No change in purchasing power means no change in prices.

If you're not interested in reading or arguing with me just say so.

[Anonymous No.9588726]

>>9588721
Stopbeing a faggot

[Anonymous No.9588727]

>>9588704
>They immobilize money
How?

If they have money in the bank, you know the bank can now loan out 10x that much money due to fractional reserve banking, right?

[Anonymous No.9588728]

>>9585363
You dont even need to take basic econ to understand why this is immeasurably retarded. Keynesians never fail to push the frontiers on mental deficiency.

[Anonymous No.9588731]

>>9588728
>supply side
Take your bets, folks, stupid or brainwashed?

[Anonymous No.9588750]

>>9588727
rich people have private deposits, banks only gamble with poor people money

[Anonymous No.9588754]

>>9588725
>Yes you did.
Nope.
As you've just quoted, I said that raising the minimum wage doesn't change the pay of everyone already making more than minimum. What does change is how much things cost.

I'll put it a simpler way for you:
You have $15 to buy apples.
Apples are currently $3 per pound.
You can buy five pounds of apples.
Suddenly the price of apples raises to $5 per pound.
If you honestly think your $15 is still buying you five pounds of apples, you're not as smart as you think you are.

>No change in purchasing power means no change in prices.
You're assuming the world is going to conform to your scenario, and it never has. Every time the minimum wage is increased, prices of things like food are increased.

>If you're not interested in reading
I read your argument just fine, but that doesn't make it a good one.

[Anonymous No.9588759]

>>9588731
american, the whole world laughs at the idea of getting shot, going bankrupt because of healthcare bills or having an illiterate president. The problem is this is the american norm.

Thank god american presidents often start wars so the dumbest people go and die in those. Murrica!

[Anonymous No.9588761]

>>9588754
>Suddenly the price of apples raises to $5 per pound.
there is no studies to support that rising the minimum wage rises the prices of basic products, it's just another recucklican fake news story to be a slave to the uncontrolled free market

[Anonymous No.9588765]

>>9588691
>EVERYONE will do things because I do things

You're like a stupid 5 year old. Different people have different motives, what makes you think they all have the same value structure you do?

[Anonymous No.9588774]

>>9588754
>Every time the minimum wage is increased, prices of things like food are increased.
No, dipshit - prices of food at restaurants that hired minimum wage workers increased. BY A FEW CENTS.

A 15 dollar minimum wage would indeed effect mcdonald's prices, a 4 dollar burger will now be 4.14! OH THE HUMANITY!

https://www.ifama.org/resources/Documents/v3i1/Lee-Schluter-ORoark.pdf

You're a brainwashed idiot.

[Anonymous No.9588787]

>>9588774
I love you liberals so much, you are so worried about sticking it to large corporations you disregard what that does to small businesses
the mega stores can afford what ever you throw at them, its the mom&pops that already survive on hair thin margins you are putting out of business.

[Anonymous No.9588793]

>>9588761
>there is no studies to support that rising the minimum wage rises the prices of basic products
There are quite a few, and they're easier to find now than ever with discussions like this one popping up everywhere. You clearly didn't even check.
>cuck
>fake news
You're done, then?

[Anonymous No.9588795]

>>9588787
>muh small businesess
studies time and time again show the mythical mom&poops stores have lower wages, so yeah, fuck them

[Anonymous No.9588798]

>>9588787
>implying the mom and pops even fucking exist anymore
>implying minimum wage changes would be the thing to do them in
You're literally just regurgitating asinine repub talking points now.

[Anonymous No.9588802]

>>9588793
I'm not done

>>9588793
then show me

[Anonymous No.9588803]

>>9588795
>fuck capitalism
>but i'm going to actively allow corporations to take over

You're a goddamn genius

[Anonymous No.9588806]

>>9588774
You're citing how much it might cost the company, not how much the company will now charge.
Of course it's not going to cost the company a whole lot more, but that doesn't stop them from charging more for it.

[Anonymous No.9588809]

>>9588787
>oops my argument got thoroughly debunked and it's clear I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about, time to ignore that argument entirely and pretend we were talking about something else

[Anonymous No.9588812]

>>9588798
listen man, you guys have been wrong time and time again. That's why we are in charge now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW3Vo-XvFoI
>>9588803
this

[Anonymous No.9588814]

>>9588806
So your argument is that companies will suddenly and dramatically raise prices without an equivalent rise in the purchasing power of their customers just 'cuz?

Do you understand how stupid that argument is?

[Anonymous No.9588817]

>>9588803
I'm not the sucker voting to lower the taxes for corporations and billionaires

[Anonymous No.9588822]

>>9588812
>prager
>right is gud because muh bible and muh israel
fuck off, neocon scum

[Anonymous No.9588825]

>>9588817
lower taxes for everybody*

so yo're the sucker voting to increase your own taxes then?

[Anonymous No.9588826]

>>9588814
>Do you understand how stupid that argument is?
Do you understand that companies exist to make money?

[Anonymous No.9588832]

>>9588765
empirical observation of real world because I am not a NEET that only sees the world trough social media bubbles?
we pay the servers well in our restaurant so they aren't lollygagging

[Anonymous No.9588834]

>>9588825
>muh taxes
I'm voting to increase taxes on billionaires and corporations, I know, things are unimaginable positions

if you lower taxes for everybody then corporations still get the upper hand, great job

[Anonymous No.9588836]

>>9588825
>taxes bad!
Complete retardation.

Taxes need to rise across the board. You can't just keep cutting taxes and expect government services to function.

[Anonymous No.9588841]

>>9588832
>social media bubbles
why are republitards so fucking delusional, all you do is browse /pol/ and r/the_donald then spill your spaghetti all over the site accusing others of being in a bubble

[Anonymous No.9588842]

>>9588836
don't bother, they think roads and hospitals grow magically from the ground by seeds planted by the invisible hand

[Anonymous No.9588843]

>>9588826
So let me get this straight.

Your argument is that we shouldn't raise the minimum wage because corporations will dramatically raise their prices; not out of any economic analysis, but purely out of spite.

You are an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9588846]

>>9588841
and you browse only the areas of 4chan that interest you and probably the circlejerks at leddit, sincerely do you think you are getting the whole picture?
I don't go to those places, they are the worst exponents of echo chambers.

[Anonymous No.9588848]

>>9588836
those fuckers are against socialism but are all for building a useless wall which will be useless (since you can just bribe the border patrol) and sending Israel tons of tax $$$ as foreign aid - trumpflake logic

[Anonymous No.9588849]

>>9588843
I never said we shouldn't raise minimum wage. I said that doing so would affect the prices of common goods.
Stop putting words in my mouth and looking for something to get mad about.

[Anonymous No.9588850]

>>9588846
>leddit
you mean like your kin at r/the_donald

[Anonymous No.9588864]

>>9588822
I never take these conversations seriously because you already lost. I just like to keep reminding you who's in charge while I rub my nipples at your expense

>>9588834
just as long as you finally admit your political opinion is based on fucking successful people over instead of trying to help those that aren't, we are at an agreement. You're a vindictive person trying to project your failures onto others

>>9588836
yes, taxes are bad when they are being spent on bullshit. everything needs to be downsized, that's the whole point.
you liberals hate america so much, you hate our history, you hate our government, you hate our people, but for some reason you want it to run as much of your life as possible. So weird

I'm leaving the thread now btw

[Anonymous No.9588871]

>>9588631
>self employed
>work in New York, a state that has said it would continue to provide insurance even if Obama care is removed
>under report my income so that I receive free insurance
>never pay a single fucking dime
Feels pretty good fucking the state over.

[Anonymous No.9588879]

>>9588849
>I never said we shouldn't raise minimum wage
>IT'LL FUCK EVERYBODY
>MUH MOM AND POPS
>YOU'VE BEEN WRONG EVERY TIME
You're not very good at backpedaling.

[Anonymous No.9588885]

>>9588761
>companies that grow and produce food will pay their employees more and won't increase prices
>they'll willingly take that loss because they're good boys
You have no idea about economics, do you?

[Anonymous No.9588886]

>>9588864
>reminding you who's in charge
I'm not a stinky american, you nigger, try again

>successful people
this is the most bullshit argument, but whatever, you will get shot anyway

>you liberals hate america so much, you hate our history
lol, republinigger, you are being sold a lie, a shallow meme of neocon patriotardism and you're loving it
>you hate our government, you hate our people
you hate the govt and want it abolished and you hate people since any way of improving the lives of your fellow americans idiots like you consider socialism

[Anonymous No.9588890]

>>9588864
>I'm leaving the thread now btw

[Anonymous No.9588894]

>>9588885
>muh economics
if raising the minimum wage would put a tremendous stress on companies, then those companies deserve to close down and leave some space for the big dogs who know how to operate businesess

[Anonymous No.9588895]

>>9588886
>>9588890

LMFAO!
get on my level, dweebs

[Anonymous No.9588897]

>>9588795
>mythical mom and pops
How the fuck are they mythical when they are literally everywhere? From the rural areas to the cities, the majority of businesses in this country are or started off as mom and pops
Apple and Microsoft started off as mom and pops out of garages ffs
How fucking old are you and what useless degree are you pursuing? You obviously don't know dick about business so it can't be that

[Anonymous No.9588900]

>>9588895
>I'm such a master troll, because I lost the argument but someone else responded, this is MAGA you cucks!
this is fucking pathetic

[Anonymous No.9588903]

>>9588897
>muh moms and pops
if they can't compete they deserve to close down, hail the free market

[Anonymous No.9588905]

>>9588885
>hey enough time has passed that I bet everyone forgot about this argument being 100% over!
fuck off, we finished that shit already.

>>9588774

[Anonymous No.9588911]

>>9588903
Right, let them die but keep giving corporate welfare to the big corps, nice logic you fucking retard

[Anonymous No.9588913]

>>9588897
>How the fuck are they mythical when they are literally everywhere?
Is it nice, living in bizarro world?

[Anonymous No.9588914]

>>9588911
so do you agree we need to raise the taxes for corporations?

[Anonymous No.9588918]

>>9588900
4d chess mon amigo. Try not to be too angry about it

[Anonymous No.9588920]

>>9588914
Yes, I never said we shouldn't
I believe in regulation of the markets because I lived through Enron, I was around for Ponzi schemes, and I've seen all kinds of corporate fuckery in my lifetime and know that if anyone needs to be under a microscope, it's big corpo

[Anonymous No.9588923]

>>9588913
No, Virginia
Where the fuck do you live?

[Anonymous No.9588924]

>>9588918
>I never meant to discuss this seriously guys! it's totaly not damage control, I was BTFOing you guys by being retarded muahaha!

[Anonymous No.9588927]

>>9588924
You know that's not the actual wailing wall, right?

[Anonymous No.9588930]

>>9588920
it's a simple question, do you support taxing corporations?

[Anonymous No.9588933]

>>9588652
That gun battle.

[Anonymous No.9588936]

>>9588930
Fuck yes, how did you not get that from the post you're replying too?
>>9588924
Pic related

[Anonymous No.9588938]

>>9588927
>don't make fun of my daddy, you cruel librul!

[Anonymous No.9588943]

>>9588936
You think this somehow goes against him being a good goy zionist? How about trump sending Israel 40 000 000 000$? xD I guess this is just 4D chess, now fuck off

so you support taxing corporations? too bad trump doesn't...

[Anonymous No.9588953]

>>9588894
Companies don't willingly lose money. Profits are the absolute last thing they'll cut.

[Anonymous No.9588960]

>>9588943
>he posts Trump memes
>he must be a Drumpftard!!? XDDD

Yes I support higher taxes on corporations
no I don't support Trump
Yes you're a meme loving fuck who's a moron

[Anonymous No.9588964]

>>9588308
It's almost like different countries have different economies and problems.

[Anonymous No.9588965]

>>9588943
>he still thinks the President makes these decisions
youve learned nothing, huh? Even when Obama was President, I dont think he wanted to give the kikes 30B a year either, but we did. Most decisions are only a show for the president, hes a yes-man.

[Anonymous No.9588969]

>>9588960
>gets BTFO
>No, I don't support that!
how many times you will change positions this thread? lmao

>>9588965
no, trump is a ziocuck

[Anonymous No.9588979]

>>9585315
Even if that's true, that's still a net benefit to workers, they can pay down their past debts for less buying power

[Anonymous No.9588986]

>>9588979
But it creates new and more problems. It's not a solution that's viable for the US long-term, and that's where we should be thinking. The short-term fucks us up.

[Anonymous No.9588989]

>>9588969
>change position
Oh you must think I'm the Trump guy who posted the 4D chess post, lel
Not him man, and you haven't BTFO me

[Anonymous No.9588995]

>>9588986
It's just inflation. We've nearly been in deflation since 2008.

[Anonymous No.9588996]

>>9588989
yeah, whatever

[Anonymous No.9588999]

>>9588995
It's a lot more political than that.

[Anonymous No.9589001]

>>9588555
ignore all of the brainlets who replied to your post
lets take a reasonable approach towards this

>raise wages to $15
>demands for higher quality workers increase
>have to fire lower quality workers for under-performance (no management is going to keep a low quality worker at such a high wage)
>now a mass of unemployed menial workers are looking for a job
>prices for product stay the same (or raise in that matter)
>demand to purchase decreases significantly
>inflation in prices and high unemployment causes stagflation, a volatile problem that most governments cant deal with

it would cause more damage to the u.s economy than the eventual economic collapse

[Anonymous No.9589002]

>>9581578
I dearly hope the robot era will begin soon so I can be a bum all day and still get enough to live since everyone's jobs will be taken by robots anyway.

[Anonymous No.9589005]

>>9588986
>It's not a solution that's viable for the US long-term
Any long-term solution would involve an incredible overhaul, and with the way US politics works drastic steps cannot be taken without baby steps first.

That one plan is not an end-all solution is not an argument against implementing that plan

[Anonymous No.9589008]

>>9589001
I remember how this happened everytime the minimum wage increased, how did we survive all those civil wars and collapses?

[Anonymous No.9589011]

>>9589005
I understand what you're saying I'm just worried if the long-term plans will retroactively fuck things more than they are now, and will force even more short-term plans that will just keep the cycle going. The entire system is fucked however, like you say.

[Anonymous No.9589012]

>>9589001
>raise wage to 15 dollars
with you so far
>demands for higher quality workers increase
aaand you jumped off a cliff

[Anonymous No.9589014]

Just hire workers worth that much. Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.9589027]

>Muh Corporations!: Fascinating story how poor people will believe whatever the GOP tells them - feature film

[Anonymous No.9589040]

It's funny. Automation promised to free people from labor so that more people could become artists, scholars, philosophers, etc.

But when that actually started to happen, America decided that artists, scholars and philosophers are useless fags and they should get real jobs.

[Anonymous No.9589047]

Man all these people so gung ho for robots replacing job, what do we do then when unemployment jumps up?

[Anonymous No.9589052]

>>9589047
Blame the other party.

[Anonymous No.9589054]

So is the solution to drop the minimum to $5 then?

[Anonymous No.9589067]

I mean we really should have just been increasing the minimum by tiny abounds per year instead of these huge jumps

[Anonymous No.9589073]

>>9588817
I don't agree with you though, I'm just pointing out a flaw in your unbounded wisdom.

[Anonymous No.9589076]

>>9581538
i'm more bothered by how the tartar sauce is missing.

[Anonymous No.9589078]

>>9588832
You also probably hold interviews. If you hire someone that doesn't want to work for you they aren't going to, pay doesn't matter as much as you think.

[Anonymous No.9589082]

>>9581538
I unironically support this argument.

[Anonymous No.9589095]

>>9588979
except that it raises inflation?

[Anonymous No.9589103]

>>9589040
Because we all need fags squirting paint out of their assholes into some canvas.

[Anonymous No.9589120]

>>9588924
>>9588936
>>9588938
>>9588943
wow, someones butthurt

[Anonymous No.9589123]

>>9589012
>jobs are lost because management doesn't want to shill out higher wages to low quality workers
please read on minimum wage increases in history, and also basic economics.

[Anonymous No.9589130]

>>9589120
>u butthurt u butthurt
>hillary not in prison
>no wall
>amnesty
well, MAGA, woo!

[Anonymous No.9589135]

>>9589001
>>now a mass of unemployed menial workers are looking for a job

considering that there were as many positions to fill before the increase as after, this feesibly cannot happen unless you are suggesting all the people who are unemployed now are actually worth a high wage

jesus you you people not understand base numbers or do situational demands only become relevant when you need them to be?

[Anonymous No.9589136]

>>9589123
You realize you're repeating a non-argument that's already been debunked in this thread, right?

Keep going though, I love when people try to pass off total ignorance of history and economics as "basic knowledge"

I can't wait to hear how much of a hack you think Keynes was.

[Anonymous No.9589141]

>>9589135
They make purely rhetorical and ideological arguments based on misinformed assumptions

It's less about not understanding the numbers involved and more about not caring.

[Anonymous No.9589175]

>>9588233
They do this on purpose so you picky eating faggots who go out to eat at the cheapest subhuman fast food place and expect people to craft your signature custom Burger you should kill yourself

[Anonymous No.9589211]

>>9581538
This $15 bullshit infuriates me. If you are in favor of increasing the minimum wage, why pick a fucking arbitrary feelgood round number? Why would that ever be legitimate? Why $15? Why not 14 or 16? It's pure emotional marketable bullshit. Like look into the matter for more than 10 seconds for fucks sake. If it's in relation to inflation it wouldn't be $15.00.

[Anonymous No.9589252]

>>9589136
>"arbitrary create more wages so more people spend money, therefore that would create a stable economy!"
great job sweetie ;)))

>>9589135
>what is the rise in autonomous systems for 10 points

[Anonymous No.9589275]

>>9585548
>we need to remove liquidity from the economy and stop all the practices that people use to actually get ahead in a capitalist society

This is an abhorrent post. Just because you don't understand the financial system doesn't make it bad.