/diy/ - Do It Yourself

baking soda and vinegar. make sure to breath extra strong on the straw

>>1556029
How did you fuck up that badly? Ammonia and bleach is the only way for OP to achieve his final form.

>>1556037
>>1556029
how about some real advice fellas, I feel like there could be some profits to make out of this

>>1556028
Dynamite and charcoal.

Make sure to do it in the basement against a strong wall for maximum compression

Synthetic diamonds require thousands of dollars worth of equipment, minimum
Sorry bud

>>1556040
real advice:

Diamonds are compressed carbon.

The clarity comes from how perfect the structure of the carbon connections. Since carbon is charged +/- 4, the atoms in a perfect diamond create a cube-ish structure with each atom connected to 4 other atoms.

This anon is right
>>1556041
Dynamite and charcoal is how they manufacture shit diamonds

You can’t get a good diamond structure without more pressure than we can produce, especially over a long period of time.

Do some research before shit posting on 4chan next time please.

>>1556051
I think that >>1556041 was joking, bud

>>1556051
>Do some research before shit posting on 4chan next time please.

You really don't belong here.

>>1556028

I want to do this too.

You need to microwave them in a hydrogen rich atmosphere containing methane at a partial vacuum.

It's called plasma vapor deposition.

>>1556051
I did do research, and I found a number of ways to make shitty science experiment diamond fragments, but I want to do something better.

>>1556028
>what are synthetic diamonds

Since I havent really contributed anything to this thread, here is some of what I've found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_vapor_deposition#Diamond

http://www.caratsystems.com/deposition.html (pic related)

>>1556051
>You can’t get a good diamond structure without more pressure than we can produce,

You should do some research before making outdated claims. We've had the technology to make synthetic gem quality diamonds for almost 50 years, recent developments using a plasma vapor deposition process has made it even easier to the point where you can go to your local jew and get lab grown diamonds to trick your wife with. There's been huge marketing campaigns to try and rebrand synthetic as 'artisan made' diamonds so that they can be sold for almost the same as the ones fished out of a river by nignogs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond#Gemstones

>>1556048

Nah, I see no reason why I cant weld up a standing wave microwave cavity, pump out the air and introduce a little hydrogen and natural gass and then turn on a magnitron.

And I don't see why this would need to cost more than a couple hundred bucks. Free old microwaves are abundant. I have the welder and vacuum pump. Some cheap industrial diamond dust could be the seed.

I'm sure it would be rather hit or miss unless I got some more lab grade shit but hit or miss would still be good enough.

Toss a handful of dirt in a pressure cooker. Real one. None of that instant pot shit.

Cook on high for 16 hours.

Walla. Diamonds.

>>1556135
Perhaps garden variety cm microwaves wouldn't be ideal?

>>1556135
What is the purpose though? You can't sell those things to anyone without a laser etched certification from a jew.

>>1556028
These are not of the carbon variety but you should be able to make them at home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Ct3VUWvhQ

>>1556267
yes so you go and get it GIA certified, as long as it is a real diamond they will certify it.

>>1556048
I am totally find with spending 20-30k on a machine that prints diamonds

>>1556332
That's not the certification I'm talking about. Diamonds are worthless unless sold by a jew through the debeer's network. Even trying to resell diamond jewery purchased from debeer's is a shitfest; you'd be lucky to get 50% of the sticker value or if anyone buys it at all.

>>1556345
You sell it TO the jews dummy

>>1556338

But diamonds are worthless.

The only reason we think diamonds are worth money is because it used to be you could only get them in one place. Once we started mining for them we realized they're fucking everywhere and should basically be a semi-precious stone.

But then De Biers got involved and start buying up warehouses of diamonds and only releasing a few at a time, and then managed to start the tradition that a diamond wedding ring is what women need to feel complete.

But even then if you just have diamonds and try to sell them you're not going to get your investment back. Thats why the first thing that happens when you buy a diamond ring is the value drops to a fraction of what it was when you bought it.

>>1556361
having recently went through the process of buying a diamond ring, most retails have distributors which they send out a RFP to for custom diamond requests. Get on their good side and have a stock that you can sell to them and I don't really see the issue. The money is in B2B.

>>1556364
>Get on their good side and have a stock that you can sell to them

So is "making diamonds in my garage" the latest /diy/ meme?

>>1556364
>Get on their good side
From the outside that makes it sound like a confidence game.
>We'll find you a buyer! Oh look, this is the best we could do.
Bottom line, what did you pay for the ring? What does a a comparable ring on ebay? What will you get from the same dealer tomorrow assuming you got on their good side?

>>1556361
>But diamonds are worthless.
>The only reason we think diamonds are worth money
...is because people want them, same as any other commodity. Do you think that gold is worthless too? How about oil?

>Thats why the first thing that happens when you buy a diamond ring is the value drops to a fraction of what it was when you bought it.
That's because used goods almost universally command a lower price than new goods. Particularly for something like non-mass-produced jewelry where it may be hard to find a buyer who wants exactly the same thing you did. Again, this is not something specific to diamonds.

>>1556430
>Do you think that gold is worthless too? How about oil?
Gemstones are not fungible the same way gold and oil is. You *can* turn around and sell gold bullion back to a dealer for almost what you bought it for. If you owned crude oil in quantities that mattered (thousands of barrels) you could sell it at an oil exchange.

The spread on jewelry is just terrible in general, basically the same as used books (which happen to be mass produced)

>>1556361
sintered diamond rasps , chiseles, grinding wheels etc... are huge in stone sculpting and masonry.
diamond tipped and diamond coated shit has alot of scientific applications in lasers and cumputer technology.

>>1556430
>...is because people want them, same as any other commodity

No. That's like saying apple products are the same as any other electronics. It's the branding and lifestyle they are selling at a significat markup. It's the same with diamonds; women want them in the specific situation of being an expensive waste of money from a reputable jeweler as is the engineered social expectation. Being from any other source makes it pretty much worthless. You will be lucky to find anyone that will buy your crystallized carbon for even a fraction of the cost of one from a jeweler. I can not state the importance of this point any further; it is not at all comparable to selling any other second hand good.

>>1556436
>basically the same as used books (which happen to be mass produced)
Used books are not durable goods, and mass produced ones bought used are typically past the point of high demand and facing market saturation. Do you think that food is worthless because it has a low resale value? These considerations are not unique to diamonds. Is it just that you don't like the shady distribution model?

>>1556448
>being in this much denial

If you really believe this then invest a couple grand in diamonds and see if you can even get 50% of the value back ever. My used vaccum cleaner has retained more of it's value than a diamond ever will.... except in the hands of a reputable jeweler. There's a better scam for you.

>>1556448
>Is it just that you don't like the shady distribution model?
I sure as fuck don't, do you?

>>1556443
>it is not at all comparable to selling any other second hand good
...except for other luxury items whose price serves as a status symbol. Less like the Apple products you mentioned, but more like high-end designer handbags, clothes, etc.

But you're missing the point here. People are willing to expend resources (particularly money) to acquire diamond jewelry. That's what economic worth IS. They might not be worth much to you because of your individual preferences, but you don't determine the market price or whether a thing "has worth".

>>1556453
>a thing is worthless if it has a poor resale value
Again, food. I own a car, which I would be unable to sell for as much as I paid, but that doesn't mean that cars are worthless.

>>1556455
No, but that doesn't make diamonds worthless, which is absolutist language so economically silly that it looks to be motivated by a personal grudge rather than analysis.

>>1556461
>I own a car, which I would be unable to sell for as much as I paid, but that doesn't mean that cars are worthless.
Suppose there is a spectrum of worthlessness.
Cars resell for a far better spread than diamonds do. What do economists call that?

>>1556456
You're missing the point that it's an entirely closed off market. You can't even sell the product.

>>1556461
You'll be able to sell it for fairly close to what you paid depending on the condition as applicable to any real commodity.

Check out: addictivelists.com

>>1556361
>we realized they're fucking everywhere

>>1556135
To do HIGH Vacuum work, you need special "diffusion" pumps.

>>1556553
>911 acres
wake up sheeple

>>1556028
>I want to grow some diamonds in my house, anyone have any resources?
Well, first you need to dig a 500 foot deep hole in your backyard, all by hand..
Next you'll need several hundred pounds of fake crab meat..
Come back when you've done all that and I'll give you the next steps.

>>1556554
You wouldn't want a diffusion pump as a roughing pump for CVD, you always get a bit of backspray from the oil that just coats everything. My recc as a roughing pump would be a scroll pump. You'd probably also want a turbo molecular pump.

Since somewhat related: How can I make my own Petoskey Stones? They are illegal to import into my country.

>>1556565
>fake crab meat.
IMITATION crab meat.

Diamonds are completely worthless. Read up on "The International Diamond Cartel"

>>1556744
>How can I make my own Petoskey Stones?

You can make a glacier and use it to scrub rocks and meke them. If I were you I would make a thread for this because this one is for fake diamonds and your project is more legitimate, and meny of us would like to make petorshy stones.

>>1556763

newfages piss me off

>>1556481
>Suppose there is a spectrum of worthlessness.
There is a spectrum of "worth". "Worthless" indicates exactly zero worth.

>What do economists call that?
Different rates of depreciation.

>>1556483
>You're missing the point that it's an entirely closed off market. You can't even sell the product.
Of course you can sell diamonds. You just won't get the same price for selling used jewelry as a jeweler would for selling new. No one is preventing you from becoming a jeweler yourself and making things to sell at new prices. It's certainly an easier market to get into than, say, mass market microchips. Or do you mean to say that the hypothetical person is unlikely to come into possession of a kimberlite pipe?

>as applicable to any real commodity.
So there are "real" commodities and commodities that aren't "real" now? What do you think about milk? Regarding diamonds, raw diamonds are a fungible commodity, but the jewelry bought in a store is not. Approximate uniqueness is a major selling point, and it atomizes the resale market. For a similar situation, you won't get a very good resale price for a tailored suit unless you find someone with the same measurements as you who wants that kind of suit.

>>1556028
Try this
https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&CatId=&SearchText=HPHT+Hydraulic+Synthetic+Diamond+Making+Machine

>>1556899
>raw diamonds are a fungible commodity, but the jewelry bought in a store is not. Approximate uniqueness is a major selling point, and it atomizes the resale market.
It's a bit of a weird way of putting this as commodities are (in large) fungible. The moment something starts being defined by "uniqueness" it ceases to be a commodity. I would say cut diamonds are also for the most part fitting a commodity, and are fungible, as is probably most jewelry because of how it's bought and sold.

This is the most retarded thread on DIY.

Think about that for a second.

>>1557056
It's not, but you thinking that might make you the most retarded person here.

Sorry there's no shipping containers involved you fucking loser.

>>1556040
Yea, you got enough money to buy a 1000tonne press and the very specific special material dies that form the diamonds and then compete with already established diamond synthesisers in it shed

>>1556345
There not worthless. You need to have it insured and burn up in a house fire.

>>1556359
Literally only DeBeers and the "Jewelers" that sell DeBeers diamonds are the ones making money. They don't retain value, they aren't good investments.

Just get some coal and have your mom sit on it

>>1556093
Hey! Found my 10mm wrench.
Back to /o/ now.

>>1557852
That's where OP came from.

>>1557852
word is, his mom sits on a lot of coal already...

>>1556028
>want to grow some diamonds in my house, anyone have any resources?
Google "microwave methane diamond deposition"
If you want any usable quantity of diamond, you are either going to need to scale up the process (meaning more magnetrons depositing over a larger surface) or be continuously growing them for a few decades/centuries. Keep in mind the process is thermodynamically limited, so you can't rush it.
If I remember correctly, my head math said that a 1 inch boule would take something like four decades.

>>1556086
expensive memes that seek to convert graphite via chemical potential and equilibrium. Thermodynamics has zero bearing on kinetics.

>>1558175
>http://www.caratsystems.com/deposition.html

This is only like 300k, make ~150 diamonds and pay it back and then make money.

i like this

>>1556028
Well good luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TI7XTC2ew0k

>>1556742
How much vacuum do you need for CVD? A good turbo will get you to E-7 Torr easy. If you are going to be adding methane your are likely repressurizing to like E-5 torr

>>1556028
Yeah, get yo mama to sit on a jar of peanut butter

back in the day meaning the 1950s, the people that wanted to make diamond start the only we could do it was extreme pressure and heat. General electric cable long and started mass-producing diamonds but mostly just poor quality gastral stuff. Nowadays, researchers who thought about the problem and done a little experimenting realize that vapor deposition will work without high temperatures and extreme pressure, but you have to get the conditions just right. You can't just evaporate carbon off of one end and deposited it the other end and get diamonds. You need to have a way to have a carbon-containing molecule go into a vacuum chamber, strip off the molecules that make it volatile leaving behind the carbon atoms that you want to deposit and that and then go along with that. So many ways to do this problem about the problem you're trying to control is figuring out how to get the right phase change from Vapor to solid with a molecule that is very tricky to deposit

>>1556048
You mean hundreds of thousands of dollars.

>>1560659
ya but how much will it cost

>>1556028
Take some carbon, like charcoal (the real thing, not bitch briquettes) and have your're mom sit on those for a few hours

>>1561562
more than you can afford, not even joking
we're probably looking at $5,000,000+ equipment and dedicated engineers to help manage

>>1556554
It's only at like at 1/8 bar you faggot.

>>1556028
Best way is high temperature and compression of benzene in an inert atmosphere (or better, no atmosphere and directly applying huge pressure). Unfortunately for you, benzene is fucking difficult to get your hands on in high purity, since it's highly regulated by both the DEA and DoD (commonly used to evaporate chemical weapons and can be used to add organic ring structures common in drugs). This is before we get into the costs of building a high pressure thermal deposition rig. Can't say I have any experience or knowledge on building something like that.

>>1562448
Its a question of having the right technique, not just dropping millions on equipment.

This ISN'T The Manhattan Project, where you have to figure out if it is even possible.

>>1556899
I take it you don’t do any actual economics and have no investments? The main point is that diamonds lose their value at such a huge depreciation and so fast that they don’t make any amount of economic sense, especially for investing. If I buy a ring encrusted in $10,000 of diamonds and it had $10,000 worth of gold, the diamonds would quickly lose value in under a year while the gold might actually be worth more at the year’s end.

It’s also a largely known fact that diamonds are incredibly plentiful. Why do you think I can buy a diamond sawblade for so little? Because they’re fucking everywhere. They’re so common in fact there is an entire planet made out of diamond.

https://smartasset.com/credit-cards/why-a-diamond-engagement-ring-is-not-a-good-investment

>>1556028
Charcoal, a big ass hammer, anvil and acetylene torch. You'll need someone to hold the torch and heat the charcoal while you hit it as hard as you can with the hammer

>>1562805
>Why do you think I can buy a diamond sawblade for so little?
Because non-gem-quality diamonds can be made cheaply and easily, and have been that way for a while. Gem quality is trickier, and is only recently displacing mined diamonds in jewelry.

>>1562805
Have you ever seen an industrial-grade diamond?
You wouldn't put that ugly shit on a ring.

>>1556028
A pressure chamber filled with either low or high pressures of methane gas and a diamond seed. Pump it full of microwaves and you should maybe get something. It will be commercially worthless, but it will have sentimental value

>>1563195
Size has been the limiting factor, not really quality. Infact the first synthetics kept coming up as colored diamonds from impurities in the tooling, something people value in natural ones for some reason. But with PVD processes they can now grow diamonds measured in literal inches. That combined with the destruction of marriage by jews and millenials being in eternal debt from the moment they graduate means an impending crash and total devaluation of this allotrope of charcoal.

>>1556028

Microwave pencil lead for about 25 minutes, unironically. Examine it with a hand lens and you'll see some diamond crystals.

Why grow diamonds when you can make gold from other elements?

Look up Franz tausend. Nazi gold is more than a meme

Cia btfo again

I have worked with PVD tech during an internship. Complicated stuff and high cost machinery needed for your lab.

If you are really dedicated, have a garage and want to put a second mortgage on your house, buying a PVD process machine (used) can be your entry into home grown diamonds.

https://angstromengineering.com/products/?utm_campaign=Main_Angstrom_Search&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&gclid=CjwKCAiAqt7jBRAcEiwAof2uK7JPa1RMwJlygc7oMOxYe3k7vkWrAfzTfVCoEH1NFKM0LXfAIgg8dBoChi0QAvD_BwE

mix amonia and bleach in a glass and let it mix over night under your bed

>>1564521
That will produce chloramine vapor, which has the potential to form hydrazine. This is extremely toxic.

Also, ammonia (double m by the way) is NH3, so no C anyway and no C in chlorine based bleach or peroxide based bleach anyway.

>>1564509
Fucking buyfag.
I'm going to put a microwave in a vacuum chamber and add hydrogen and natural gass.

>>1556028