/diy/ - Do It Yourself

>>1883978
Metabo HTP
>Made in Japan
>AC adapter available

>>1883980
Holy shit theyre still made in japan?
>be me
>buy makita in 2019 thinking theyre made in japan
>made in china

>>1883981
Every single thing I have seen from Hitachi was made in china

>>1883978
>milwaukee
>overpriced ryobis
>ridgid
>overpriced ryobis

>>1884004
I wonder what else in life you cheap out on?
Still sleeping on a futon because you cant afford a mattress?

>>1884016
>futons
>overpriced mattresses

>Milwaukee
>rad color sheme

Admit it you mostly like them because the other brands look dorky.

How about ergonomics? Some brands make their 10.8/12V tools with the battery in the grip, leading to a pretty thick grip.
I have held a Milwaukee like in OP's pic, but have held other brands with this style and I didn't like it, it's just too thick. I'd much rather have the battery completely underneath for a more ergonomic grip.

Are there any brands left that are not made in China?

>>1884059
>>futons
>>overpriced mattresses

>mattresses
>overpriced blankets

>>1883978
>Ryobi
>green just like Pepe, the alt-right turtle

Official power tools of 4chan confirmed.

>>1884072
Femanon detected

>>1884074
Makita makes most of their expensive tools outside China. Parts are still made in China though.

>>1884072
>t.Handlette

>>1884101
>>1884111
>coping dildo owners

>>1884116
Trips don't lie, Ming.

>>1884072

>>1884101
>>1884111
+1

Kobalt
> + Pretty good performance
> + Affordable
> + Easy Warranty
> + Outdoor tools
> - Limited tool range (no Nailers)
> - Bulky

>>1884160
>- Bulky
Seems like a pro to most people in this thread.

I’ve been very happy with Makita. I especially like the sub compact line for smaller jobs. One thing that’s worth mentioning is that the Makita batteries actually have a polycarbonate housing. May not sound like a big deal, but they’re incredibly resilient as a result. Have had one fall nearly 16 feet and land on plywood subfloor. No worse for the wear.
I had previously killed other brand batteries once or twice from similar drops.

>>1884160
They released some of that new 24V Max that is priced higher than similar Milwaukee and DeWalt. Those tools are solid, but I don’t know why you would get them over Red or Yellow at the same price. Their lineup is still pretty weak too, IMO if you don’t mind the limited lineup to get high quality tools at a decent price, go Ridgid instead and you will get more for the money.

>>1884074
Hilti

Fein

>>1884202
Hows the power on the subcompact drill? Does it feel like 12volt or 18volts?

>>1884239
Look at the specs on the subcompact stuff, it’s more powerful than the last gen NiCd stuff, it’s about on par with the brushed 18V li-ion full sized stuff, a little below the full sized brushless. Definitely more powerful than the 12V tools, although some of the newer 12V brushless tools are getting really powerful.

That sub-compact stuff is mostly due to how small the brushless motors have become these days. Look at Milwaukee’s regular sized M18 Fuel impact drivers, they have tons of power but they could be considered sub-compact compared to the brushed tools from a few years before.

The one place where 12v cant be beat is form factor. Important for cabinet makers and hvac

>>1884263
I wish I went the M12 route instead of the Ridgid. The stubby impacts, ratchet, and hackzall are so tempting. Not that the Ridgid is bad, but the lineup is weak and there aren’t any newer brushless tools.

Anyway I fell in love with the 12v stuff the first time I used them. Had to do a water pump on a Jeep and the little 12V impact driver was small enough to fit between the radiator and engine and pull those long water pump bolts out no problem. I grab that 12V impact for everything now.

Hyper tough
Pros:work just fine
Con:Walmart brand

>>1884061
Honestly, that’s why I buy Craftsman, the tools are red and I don’t have to pay out the ass for Milwaukee.

Buy Ryobi tools, pair them with high quality bits and blades. Best bang for your buck.

>>1884288
They're handy for dashboards and interiors with a 1/4" drive six point metric set (ensure ya have 7mm if you molest Fords, Ford fucking loves 7mm).

>Dewalt
>pros
>ergonomic
>good sales and batteries are cheaper than the other big brands
>cool color scheme
>good variety of tools for different trades
>seem to be at forefront of adopting 21700 cells

>cons
>12v line really small
>automotive line lacking compared to Milwaukee
>still no damn copper cutters

>>1884543
Another pro is they're making more and more in the USA

>>1883978
Makita, with cheap chinesium adapters I can use just about any 18-20v battery from any manufacturer.

>>1884116
The great big battery hanging off the bottom makes your shit tools make it look like your holding a dildo with balls more then anything.

>>1884559
All chinesium is cheap. It's a fundamental property of the material.

>>1883978
Buy Hercules before China is destroyed

>>1884547
>making
Assembling.

>>1884586
No, Chinesium now cost like real deal

>>1884206
I have a Kobalt 24v 1/2 impact that I really love. It has incredible torque and have never ran across a bolt/nut that it couldn't bust off.

>Hart
>+you can sing bret harts theme when you drill
>- hav eto buy them from walmarr

>>1884630
Time to switch to Laotianium

>>1883981
Metabo made in Tokyo

>dewalt YELLOW
>hdx ORANGE
>ryobi GREEN
>milwaukee RED
>mikita BLUE

>all made in the same factory by non-unionized child labor

Sorry to ruin it for u brand-loyal guys

>>1884061
>2020 and cares about tool looks
Just kys because people like you we get shit and idiotic stuff

DeFault:
>Powerful but often unbalanced and heavy
>Expensive
>AMERICLAP PRIDE
>surprisingly ok planes/nailguns/saws

Wilfuckyee
>RED
>huge range of overpriced useless shit
>best uggaduggas
>shit drills

MUHkita:
>new higher voltage line non back compatible
>decent range
>shit brad nailers
>great ergonomics on saws
>crap marketing that sells near identical products with greatly differing power levels
>gook shit

Cryobi:
>horrible colour
>laughed off the jobsite
>saves you 100 dollars on a hopefully one off purchase
>constant product recalls due to electrocution

>>1884523
>7mm and Ferd
Don’t forget about the 9mm hex key needed for brake calipers!

Yeah but engine covers and trim bullshit, the 12v is fuckin great for that.

>>1884648
I have shilled that one because it was on sale for $160 with a battery and charger and it’s the most bang for your buck when it comes to cordless ugga duggas, but they want $270 for the bare tool with the newer one. Why would you get that over the Milwaukee for $250?

>>1884604
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460182
It's more than just screwing a shell together.

>>1884061
This retardation is exactly why Harbor Freight made their power tools teal and red
They didnt bother with yellow because nobody wants to look like a mexican

>>1883981
you should assume that everything is made in china now. even the made in the us dewalt is 90 percent chinese. some makita stuff is made in china as well as japan (xtd16 eg, but has to be ordered from Japan) and some german brands still produce some of their stuff in Germany see Metabo and Bosch rotary hammers, fein and mafell come to mind as well. also a a lot of their accesories are made in germany. although lets take bosch for example they have the biggest china crap in their line but also sell excellent made in germany sds plus drills at the same time.

>>1883978
i want to kill every brand fag (in minecraft of course) ecery fucking video has some low iqs arguing over which colour of corporate dick tastes better and if i see another impact driver test where all they do is try to take of lug nuts im gonna lose it.

>>1884762
Dewalt is pretty cheap if you catch a bomgaars sale. With 60v tools now used 20v shit is getting cheaper by the day

>>1884862
Somewhat agree with this, lots of unboxing reviews are fucking awful. I want to see how it runs after a year on the job and a couple falls off the roof.

Also the brand thing, all of the contractor stuff (yellow-red-teal-blue) is basically the same as long as they offer all the tools you want. One brand might have the#1 impact driver, but you’re stuck on those batteries so have fun with the #4 impact driver and #9 sawzall.

>>1884074
Bosch is hit or miss.
In South America, 220V drill is made in Brazil. Some cordless drills are made in Malasia.
In Europe, some stuff is made in Hungary... I still don't know when these fucks will quit making circular saws in China tho.
>>1884103
I dont think so, everything makita is made in china.

>>1884870
currently wanting the no1 impact (teal) but have yellow batteries and dont know if i want to spend 3x as much (only comes in a kit with 2 5ah batteries) just to get something different. but no review really tests the precision modes of both drivers, they simply try to sink the biggestfeasteners without predrilling, so basically a braindead test.

>>1884762
>>constant product recalls due to electrocution
>he can't handle a shock

>>1884604
That’s more than other brands can say.

>>1884543
>copper cutters
we use a metal cutting saw

>>1884746
>>1884807
>Implying power tools are much more than big boy toys
>Implying buying one brand over another makes much of a dfference for the non profesionnal
>Implying the tools makers aren't jewing you no matter what
>Implying you buy tools because you actually need them and not in a desperate atempt to fill the void in your life

Anyone here ever broken a cordless tool without blatent misuse? I haven't. Therefor I buy what's reasonably cheap. Mostly Ryobi.

>>1884100
Nazi turtle checkd

>>1884718
No, I want Mexicanium or Polonium or Germanium.

>>1884074
Festool

>>1885179
delet this

What’s the consensus on Ridgid? I’m worried I fucked up by not going with Milwaukee but I’ve already got hundreds of dollars worth of Ridgid batteries and cordless tools (4 batteries, one handed + full size sawzall, drill, driver, torque gun, circular saw). Planning on buying the cordless bandsaw when they finally release it months from now since I work with a lot of unistrut+RMC and I’m too lazy to cut it with a hacksaw

>>1885322
Also what the fuck is with those idiots at Ridgid not only releasing the new cordless tools at a slow trickle but releasing the dumb gay retard stupid bastard shit before the actually useful tools?
>hey guys we came out with a CORDLESS BATTERY POWERED CAULKING GUN!
what kind of stupid faggot needs that

>>1884867
For some stuff. They're maintaining both product lines and only doing 60v for the tools that really benefit.

>>1884728
Nobody cares white boi, Milwaukee swt bangin till I die, red rag flyin mah nigga green bitch killa ya heard? East side!

So who has experience with WORX? I saw them in a store.
They cost a pretty penny, line up seems rather extensive and the drill I held felt pretty sturdy and even comfy.

>>1885324
>>hey guys we came out with a CORDLESS BATTERY POWERED CAULKING GUN!
>what kind of stupid faggot needs that
A professional caulker. They exist you no-tools faggot. Who do you think caulks all those 1" expansion joints in concrete tilt-ups and all the other miles of caulking on a commercial project? Also Glaziers.

>>1885459
Faster with a normal chalk gun

>>1885505
very uninformed post

>>1883978
I do have to admit that lately both me and my dad have started to move over from Bosch tools to Makita, at least with smaller and wireless tools like drills, impact drills and hammer drills because the Bosch stuff isn't that great for the price.

Though he still uses a smaller and older BoschHammer that the entire from section of it is steel casting and it weighs almost as much as a GSH5, and that thing is a literal wrist wrecker.

>>1885449
My dad picked up a cordless hammer drill that somebody threw out in a fit of rage, cleaned and lubed it via specific grease for hammer drills and it worked pretty good for 3 months until the batteries started dying out and he bought a new Makita. I used it a bit as well while i worked with him and it was worked well and it was pretty ergonomic.

>>1885559
>boschhammer
>wrist wrecker
Can confirm. Used one of these to dig a couple drains into someone's screen porch. I knew better than to give it the chance, but a couple other guys using had it try to twist their arm on them.

>>1885449
I have heard of them, but not much, and what I have heard amounts to: "meh."
I'm not really even sure where I'd buy them, and convenience is a factor in brand selection for me. I like dewalt because I can pick them up at lowes, home depot, tractor supply, and probably other random places, too. I don't want to buy batteries that go to tools that are inconvenient to find if something comes up.

>>1884074
fein,metabo,mafell

Although fein bought jancy and now has so made in USA magnetic drills and cold cut saw.
>>1885287
Bosch does as follows, the new top line shit is made in Germany at first. Once everything is dialed in a couple years they move to to hungry or some other place and make they newer models in Germany. It basically a cycle.
>>1884871
CRAP get mafell instead.

>>1885604
>metabo
I have two new 12V metabos (not HPT) here and they're made in China.

Can someone recommend me a drill under 50 USD? I wanna use it for polishing stuff.

>>1885459
I’ve done days worth of firecaulking on commercial jobs and I’ve never thought “gee this would go quicker with an ELECTRIC caulking gun”

>>1885740
>I wanna use it for polishing stuff
You need a cheap dremel, not a drill.

>>1885186
Yep, had a hitach combi drill where the control box shit the bed and died in a puff of smoke. About 7 years in a facilities maintenance environment.

>>1885449
>incorrectly spelled word as brand name
ngmi

>>1885459

pussy ass puny forearm faggot niggers can't even use a non meme regular caulking gun? and they call themselves pros?

>>1885449
Best range for diy in the price range. Here in UK anyway. Added bonus of battery compatability with other cheapo brands like Guild, Titan, Erbauer, and Bauker.

>>1884072
He can’t handle the girth, lol

>>1885322
It’s straight for the money, but they drag ass releasing new tools, that’s probably on purpose btw since they’re owned by the same company as Milwaukee. Took so long for a big impact and the bandsaw is still in wait.

>>1885740
Like other guy said, maybe the dremel or an actual polisher. If you need a basic drill that kinda works, Ryobi or new Craftsman are pretty affordable, but the Black & Decker 20V MAX might be the way to go for your needs. Just stay away from any super cheap bullshit old NiCd stuff.

>>1885324
I see a lot of use come from the grease guns in the diesel shop.

Redpill me on Milwaukee and Ridgid tools, lads.

I've always had Makita and DeWalt power tools with no real preference between the two, mostly buying the cheapest one at the moment.

Now I've lost literally all my fucking tools in a fire last week and I'll have to rebuy everything.

I sometimes see Milwaukee and Ridgid tools in threads here but have never used any of them. Are they good? They seem generally slightly cheaper than Makita/DeWalt equivalent.

I'm
>a fucking leaf
and I only seem to be able to find those brands at Home Depot. Are they like a house brand or something?

>>1886983
Milwaukee is better than Ridgid, at least they offer the better tools for a bit higher price. And Milwaukee will release the newer tech a few years before Ridgid tools have them. The Ridgid power tools are pretty much Home Depot’s generic store brand, more serious than the homeowner stuff but not quite up there with Milwaukee-DeWalt-Makita.

Of the Red-Yellow-Teal, Milwaukee probably has the best tool lineup. Their 12V is way better than the other brands, they seem to have the innovative tech a little before the others, and best selection of tools especially for sparkies or mechanics while Makita and DeWalt are more like contractor tools.

It’s all the same in the end. The specs across the drills or saws from the different brands are so close. You save a little money with Ridgid at the expense of a good tool selection.

>>1887153
Thanks a lot, that sounds like some good info.

Is there any reason to buy 12V tools other than because they're a tad smaller? I've always had 18 or 20V.

>>1887161
The 18V and 20V max from all the brands are the same. Stick a voltmeter in a fully charged Milwaukee 18V, it will read the same as a charged DeWalt 20V, they’re both 5x 3.7V lithium cells, but DeWalt kinda fudges the numbers because technically the fully charged cells are >4V so a fully charged pack of 5 cells is like 21V and DeWalt calls it 20V MAX instead of 18V (the nominal voltage) like everybody else.

The 12v tools are sweet because they’re compact and still have some balls. A lot of techs love them, the little impacts and ratchets are great for tight spots. But you won’t be able to run full size saws and stuff off the 12V batteries, so it’s kind of an additional lineup, you should probably get the regular 18V tools first and then the 12V stuff for when you need to carry a drill or impact around all day but won’t be drilling giant holes constantly. I use my 12V drill and impact driver around the house way more than my 18V, but there is no replacement for the 18V sawzall when something needs to be demo’d

>>1887161
Milwaukee has some really neat tools in their 12 volt line that are great for automotive work. M12 fuel tools are enough for pretty much anything you're going to do around the house and are lighter and smaller than the M18 and a lot lighter and smaller than the M18 fuel. I have both M18 fuel and M12 fuel drills and impact drivers, I have used the M12 fuel drill to run a 4 1/2" hole saw through a sill plate to see if it could and it makes it without trouble. The M18 fuel equivalents do everything a lot faster though. I would suggest looking at the M12 and M18 selection and seeing if there's anything you have to have. Or just buy both, M12 batteries aren't that expensive and Milwaukee includes a charger that can do both in some of their kits.

>>1887173
Plus that M12 Fuel drill + driver kit goes on sale for like $200 with a free tool, and the non-fuel kit can be close to $100 and often $149 with a free tool. Toss it in the cart with your M18 stuff at that price and try it out.

Metabo
>No one steals my fucking batteries

>>1887227
I do... i leave them my dewalts

>>1885740
Corded shit from Craigslist

For me, it's Chinese knockoffs on Amazon/eBay that are DeWalt clones for 1/4 the cost.

>>1883978
Ryobi batteries are fucking dogshit

>>1884860
"Put together" in Germany or Japan
Everything still comes from the same 2 Chinese oems for electric motors etc

>>1888012
um anon think your wrong on that they might use a chink switch.
https://youtu.be/N2zR3a02KPI?t=90

Anyone know how good new craftsman wood chisels and files are? I might buy some, they have a sale going rn and I’m looking for new chisels for cheap.

>>1887167
The volts are a meme, except on Kobalt 24v, those actually are higher.

>>1888012
Battery powered stuff - China 100%, because they are greedy bastards, they don't let export raw material for magnets.
Mains stuff - it is usually wound in place tool is made.

Thus 220V(110V) > 18V.

>>1884543
I was told black and decker is just like them but cheaper, is that true?

>>1888943
Cheaper, as in built cheaper and crappier
Dont listen to the retards who make wild accusations about brands because >muh parent company

Throughout the 90s till the 2010s, Ford owned Land Rover and Jaguar
Chrysler owned Mercedes

Is a 2005 Mercedes the same thing as a 2005 Chrysler?

>>1888943
I order a black+decker drill less than two months ago, returned it the same day.

The thing had massive runout and you could hear something collide internally on every turn.

>>1888945
ordered*

>>1888945
I bought a corded Black and Decker Matrix for 15 bucks on clearance.
Its pretty crappy. But I have run it really hard.
It smells like an inflatable pool when you run it hot, and the bearings/gearbox for the drill head are pretty rattly now.

Black and Decker are cheap beater tools

>>1888943
Not in the slightest. Owning Dewalt and having used plenty of B&D stuff, the latter is basically a cheap Walmart-tier brand anymore. It's sad, but B&D is absolutely nothing like the decent or even great stuff it once was in the past.

>>1888944
yes both shit cars that break down and are expensive to repair.

What are some standout qualities about Makita and Bosch? I hear people harp on about them being better than milwaukee and dewalt without mentioning any qualities.

>>1889021
Those people are contrarians or European or both

Makita is a good option. Not saying their tools are better or worse than Dewalt or Milwaukee, but there's a flood of knockoff Chinese tools coming out and they all use the Makita battery format. These tools are supposedly quite decent and are true brushless designs. I ordered a fake Makita brushless angle grinder from China and hopefully it holds up. If it turns out to be good it's going to be a game changer. $20 brushless drills, impact wrenches, angle grinders soon.

>>1889021
Milwaukee and Dewalt are very expensive in yurp.
Brands like Makita and Metabo and Bosch are standard there.

In the US, Bosch and Metabo barely exist, Makita doesnt put in the money to advertise or buy shelf space at stores.
Milwaukee and Dewalt are literally everywhere.

Simple as that really.

>>1889021
Bosch makes some good sanders, and rotary hammer, as well as a jig saw.
Makita stuff is cause of AVE

>>1889079
it real metabo common? like would you find them in DIY stores? Cause over here they are pro only tool that is only distributed at "pro" outlets

>>1889080
Muh made in japan was as much a thing as Made in USA was. Now Milwaukee and Makita and pretty much every else is all chinese now. But the whole Japan thing is part of the reputation.

>>1889082
I see a ton of european youtubers with metabo angle grinders and bench grinders

I am going to go out on a limb and say craftsman has the best cordless tools in the US I don’t have every tool they have but these have been going strong for 2 years and with double capacity battery’s as an option i see no cons

>>1889095
They look pristine, what kind of chamois cloth do you use to wash them?

>>1889095
>actually buying craftsman when its the same price and manufacturer as dewalt, without the other tool options with a proprietary battery

oof

man diy really hates non makita

>>1888944
>Chrysler owned Mercedes
Chrysler and Daimler merged and jointly produced cars*

>>1889106
Depends on what time of day it is.
If its yurp time, everyone loves Makita
Its its NEET USA time, everyone loves Ryobi
If its after work hours USA, everyone loves Milwaukee
The word "shills" gets thrown around a lot.

But if you arent one of those three, you arent going to have a ton of people lauding you.

seriously though /diy/ has been brainwashed by AvE
My caveman brain sees red and thinks it must be good but then I look at the stats and price I get it and 2 years later it works perfectly

>>1889149
Anyone who even watches AVE now should kill themselves.

>>1889157
this

>>1889095
>>1889100
They have some good deals from time to time, but it seems to be the nu-nu-Porter Cable, and I would rather go Ryobi for the same money because of the tool range and sweet sales

>>1889073
Project Farm did a video on it.

https://youtu.be/4pXM5bHSk2Y

Basically don't waste your money

>>1889035
This

>>1889123
I work in HVAC and my ryobis hold up pretty well. I was expecting them to be complete shit that I need to replace in two years but my impact, drill, and sawzall are going +5 years.

[Spoiler] i have a bosch flexiclick for tight spaces

I live in the US. Are there any Metabo must have tools? Or should i just get something from the big three

>>1889149
Milwaukee 12volt batteries have died abruptly on me

>>1889499
I worked telecom with one for 3 years and it was fine. Nothing very strenuous though just a couple holes a week, but it survived bouncing around in my tool bag just fine. The blue one too, they didn't have a green one with a hammer drill and 2nd grip at the time I needed one

use whatever the day laborers use bevause they take a serious beatiny

FESTOOLS

>only alpha males can afford them
>doesnt break down because they get used once every two years
>great container system so the local methhead can steal all your tools at once

>cons: none

Every time I see new drills released and all the adverts for them are

>MOAR POWER
>TORQUEMAXX

I laugh, why do drills even need to be more powerful? My 3 year old mid range ridgid brushless is fully capable of dislocating my wrist if I don't have a solid grip on it and it can drive a 32mm auger bit through hardwood no problem. What possible applications do you need more power for before you go to specialised tools like hammer drills or core drills?

>>1889565
gotta sell new batteries with higher voltage

>>1889566
>YOU KNOW THE POWER OF OUR 18V SYSTEM, NOW EXPERIENCE THE RAW ENERGY OF THE 20V ULTRAMAXX LINEUP*
>*batteries and tools not compatible with 18v lineup

Its all so tiresome.

>>1889553
if I was working as a carpenter full time, I would only buy Festool. they are undeniably the best.
but since I only work part time as a carpenter (weekends, evenings and holidays) I really can't justify the price.
so I go for the next best thing, and probably the best for it's price, Dewalt

>>1889565
See the fuck machine thread

>>1889565
This is why I use my 12V stuff for most jobs around the house. I do not need an impact driver with 180ft-lbs of torque to build a bookshelf.

>>1889502
I’m not sure if those barrel style batteries have much protection inside them. They might get balanced off the circuitry in the charger.

>>1889586
Would you theoretically build a bookshelf faster with more torque?

>>1889589
You would fuck it up faster

>>1889589
An impact driver that can loosen lugnuts will destroy wood screws very quickly. You can turn the speed down, but they still have quite a heavy hammer and spring mechanism, so as soon as you get the first hammer, there’s a good chance you will strip the fuck out of the whole in that Ikea particle board. It will slam big wood screws into decks and larger pieces of wood really fast, but too much for medium and smaller screws.

>>1889502
I was talking about>>1889095

For me, it's MasterCraft™.

>>1889589
but statistically you're more likely to fuck it up, no matter how skilled you are

Just got this Bauer jigsaw. Quick review after using once:

Pros:
>Cheap. $50-60 for the tool, ~$120 for the tool, charger, and 5.0 battery. Milwaukee M18 tool-only is $200, for comparison.
>Not the worst quality ever. It’s right down that fine line of acceptable. The casting is OK, the foot is OK, everything is pretty much just OK.
>Lineup also includes cheapest orbital and detail sanders available. Also mildly interested in some other tools just because they’re cheap but only if they come in handy and I have money to burn.

Cons:
>Foot didn’t sit true out of the box. Had to take it apart and adjust the bracket things that the foot locks into.
>Laser toggle is too easy to hit by accident and honestly is more annoying that useful. Would have preferred either a recessed switch or not have it at all.
>Not sure if it’s just the cheap blades, the tool itself, or operator error, but it has a lot of trouble with randomly grabbing the wood and trying to jump out of the cut. Could be entirely my fault since it’s my first time using a jigsaw
>Fit and finish leave a lot to be desired. Paint is really sloppy in many places, the shank for the blade looks like an apprentice’s first attempt at a brazing hack-job, the trigger spring is way too heavy and hard to control, and the tool-less blade chuck is a pain in the ass to get to lock properly.

Overall I think it will do what I need it to do and I’m not unhappy for the price. I’m sure a Makita, Milwaukee, or DeWALT would be much nicer to use, but since this will only see occasional use on wood I didn’t want to spend that much money. If it turns out I really like doing things where a jigsaw comes in handy I’ll consider upgrading but for now it’s good enough.

>>1889828
>Milwaukee M-18 Fuel tool only is $200
Bruh, just because they’re both red...

You could’ve grabbed a Ryobi with 2 batteries and a charger for $100 and it would be just as good, if not better, and have a warranty that extends past the third use.

Good luck with that affordable 5.0 battery with no balancing board inside of it.

>>1888949
Black and decker has been shit since the beginning

>>1889955
Ehh... it used to be marketed to a different type of user. The old B&D tools were a little above your divorced cat lady aunt who is their current target demo

>>1889499
Ryobi is a Jap company so their product won't be utter shit even if it's the cheapest option.

>>1889828
How would you compare it to Ryobi's line of jigsaws?

>>1884239
They have subcompact 18v brushless tools that are strong as fuck

>>1885505
Until you get RSI. Oldfag here (60) and yung mechanics and tradies take fucking note, save your hands and wrists because they are consumable wear parts and exercise will not prevent RSI. If I caulked for a living I'd own an electric and use the fuck out of it.
My pain clinic is fucking full of old mechanics, construction workers and other trades. Be nice to your back too because your discs don't care about your roided arms.
Everything you can do well by machine should be done by machine.

>>1893843
How the fuck am I supposed to take it easy on my wrists and back

>>1888947
>Black and Decker are cheap beater tools

The destruction of that brand was so complete it's regarded as shit to this day, but DeWalt learned the lessons and they have the same parent company.

>>1889955
Their really old tools were excellent but you have to be really old to remember them. The story of how the owners rekt the brand name was famous on Wall Street, but that was so long ago it's just gearhead history.

>>1893851
>it's regarded as shit to this day
Its regarded as shit because its a walmart brand that sells low end tools

>>1893850
Power tools to run fasteners are much easier on wrists over time and the physically lighter the tool for a given power the better. That's where I'd spend money.
Your back is a matter of limiting what you lift, getting help for heavy shit, and lifting thoughtfully ever time (squat, do not bend). Those "pussy" manual lift limits are there for good reason though some trades count on expendable workers. It's really hard to get younger workers to play safe because they're in a hurry, but if your trade is especially rough physically it would be very smart to train for and move to a less destructive job or you will not be a happy old person. Machinists, electricians and controls techs last longer than ironworkers and weldors for good reason. There's no rule saying ya have to do the same job until you die in harness like a plow mule.

>>1893856
It's regarded as shit because before Walmart offered them they cheapened the brand so much they were bad even by homeowner standards.

1992 piece with some of the history and why DeWalt was chosen for resurrection by the parent company because BD was so fucked even then. https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1992-04-05-1992096094-story.html

>>1888947
>Black and Decker are cheap beater tools
Yeah. Basically. One of the guys I work with uses a black and decker corded drill to mix concrete, from what I can tell, simply because he doesn't want to use his good drills for that. I noticed that maybe a couple weeks ago, and thought it was pretty smart. If you're gonna just beat up a tool, it might as well be borderline disposable.

>>1889021
Makita is okay. I can't think of anything that makes them stand out as being BETTER than dewalt or milwaukee, though. Tied, at best, and that's highly debatable.
Bosch makes some good niche things. I have one of their jigsaws and one of their routers. Overall, though: no they are not as good as dewalt or milwaukee. I've never been given a reason to believe I'd be better off buying into their battery platform.

>>1884004
>>ridgid
>>overpriced ryobis
I thought ridgids were a little better and had the lifetime tool warranty. Just wish they made a better cordless vacuum and 36v portable miter and table saws like the big boys.

>>1889575
Festool seems ideal for woodworkers, not carpenters, imo. I wouldn't want to bring anything that expensive to a job site. Tool gets beat up or stolen, and then you're crying like a bitch. Like, what about festool makes you feel like it would make your life easier as a carpenter? Can you explain that?

>Better than you need tier:
Hilti, Mac, Fein, Festool/Protool, Ingersol Rand, Snap On, Professional Panasonics, Nemo Underwater

> "Good drill" tier
Dewalt, Makita, Milwaukee, Blue Bosch, Metabo HPT

>"high end home-use" tier
24v Kobalt, Ridgid

>good enough for around the house tier
Ryobi, Hart (re-branded Ryobi for Wal Mart), Porter Cable, Black and Decker, Craftsman, Worx, Stanley

>Chinese flea market tier
Chicago Electric, Wen, Hercules, Bauer, Earthquake

>literally who tier
Greenworks, Genesis, Rockwell, Triton, everything else

>>1895304
Even the chinkiest of chink shit is "good enough for around the house"

>>1895307
That list is slightly retarded either way.

There is still shit that blows for even the occasional owner. Chicago Electric and Hyper Tough NiCd tools, fucking terrible. Even DeWalt and Milwaukee could barely do NiCd tools properly.

>>1895352
Does anyone actually still produce NiCd tools?

>>1889500
grinder and metal bevel tool.

>>1895361
Nobody worth talking about, but the major brands still produce NiCd batteries in limited numbers for their die hard users.

Hell Makita still makes their 9.6v stick batteries from the 80s because the damn tools were built to run forever.

>>1889828
>could gotten a good corded tool or a ryobi.
>instead got a piece of shit with no future,

I was a shop student for a while. We used a ton of grinders (on metals). The motors quit working at 35 hours. I asked if it mattered whether they were Black and Decker or DeWalt, other brands, etc.
The shop guy, who has worked with metal tools and metals for decades, said the brands all last the same amount of time. Doesn't matter if it's name brand $$$ or $.
The only other tools I'd recommend is NEVER buy power tools from harbor freight. We had a nail gun once exposed. I'm still not sure how it didn't take off my brother's head.

>>1895361
It was the Warrior or Chicago Electric at HF, the $19 drill-driver kit. And Walmart had a NiCd HyperTough up until like a year ago, they might still have them too.

>>1895626
>good corded tool
Oxymoron

>>1895641
>the motors quit working at 36 hours

What? A grinder should last a hell of a lot longer than that. We’ve got grinders at our shop that get 36 hours a week on them and are nearly a decade old. Metabo, hitachi, makita, and a few others.

>>1895304
Weird I hear hercules is top tier. Better than dewalt at the least.

>>1895725
Kek, no. Hercules tools are near copies of lower end DeWalt, and you can often get DeWalt for less if you wait for a sale at Home Depot or Lowe’s.

Plus Hercules has a dogshit 90-day warranty, DeWalt has 3 years.

>>1889082
Yes, Metabo is easily acquired, many big stores have them.

>>1883978
>probably the best jigsaw
Straight up the best cordless jigsaw. Also make great 110v 4.5" angle grinder.
>Dewalt
Cordless drills/impact drivers. Dropped both off a roof many times and survived. Nice cordless skill saws.
>Milwaukee
Brushless drills are pretty nice desu.
>Hitachi
9" angle grinder
>Makita
110v skill saw is a beast
>Hilti
110v sds+ breakers
>Festool
Track saw is 100% worth the money if you do a lot of 2nd fix carpentry
>Ryobi
Nice if you enjoy being laughed at

>>1893863
Got to find a balance though. If your being a slow cunt and bitching about everything you have to lift/move your not much use on a building site. You'll get back pain/RSI sitting at a desk. You'll get cancer working in a lab.

Worked with plenty ofguys in their 60s in both pharma laboratories and building sites (groundworks/roofing). All appeared the same fitness. Construction guys were paid more p/h and more likely to work a full 5 day week.

>>1895641
>The motors quit working at 35 hours
I'd almost guarantee the cheapest grinder in your local hardware store would last more than 3 days work.

>>1884074
A lot of Makita
Festool
Dewalt/Craftsmen (the Murican ones)

I don't know why but this thread reminds me of Wranglerfag testing out expensive tools that he wrote off on his taxes and cheap Chinese shit from Amazon. When I say "tested" what I mean is "retarded."

>>1886983
>>a fucking leaf
Only Home Depot carries Rigid/Croybi in Canada. Speciality shops seem to carry Milfuckee as well but they are mainly a Home Depot brand.

Everyone, including Home Depot, carries Dewilt, Makita, Bosch, and Crapsman. I like Dewilt cause you can buy their shit on Amazon.
>t. fellow leaf.

>>1895679
>Oxymoron
Why? Corded tools are a better choice for most users than cordless ones are.

kress, are they still made in Germany or no?

>>1896179
>Speciality shops seem to carry Milfuckee as well but they are mainly a Home Depot brand
I recently found a medium sized line of hardware stores have Milwaukees in my area, closer than Home Depot for me.

>>1887227
I mean, we use them in our RAD tools, so one's probably gonna get mixed in with those batteries on my jobsire

>>1896200
The company is dead and the brand name was sold to the Chinese.

>>1896409
F. Then it is worthless.

>>1896179
What patron level are you

>>1896188
>Corded tools are a better choice for most users
False

>>1893870
>Another problem with Black & Decker was that it wasn't considered a macho name.
>"They want the most macho brand name out on the work site," said David S. Myers, vice president of retail sales for John H. Myers & Son Inc. "They don't want the same brand as their blender," he said.
Do Americans really think like that?
Is this the mindset of the average DeWalt user?

>>1896619
>Is this the mindset of the average DeWalt user?
No. It's the mindset of most people. Most people don't want to use the same brand of circular saw as their blender. It's not even about machismo. It comes with the implication that the circular saw is probably only about as good as a blender, which turned out to be completely true, in the case of black and decker.
B&D fucked itself by lacking focus, and it was super obvious to everyone.

>>1896592
Go on, prove that spending more for planned obsolescence is a better choice for light users of tools that plan on having them around for a very long time.

>>1896635
The existence of Bosch blenders hasn't harmed their power tools line.
Hell, blenders are technically power tools.

>>1896640
I had no idea bosch sells blenders. Maybe they knew better than to sell those in America.
Blenders are cheap bullshit used keep your gf distracted, unless you're enough of a fruit who hates money that you bought an expensive one, and at that point, it's still probably a piece of shit.

>>1896640
Also:
>The existence of Bosch blenders hasn't harmed their power tools line.
That's hard to say. It's not like bosch is that successful in the US.
Without looking at numbers, I'd be willing to bet that ryobi sells better than bosch in America.

>>1896649
Consumer stuff from Bosch doesn't seem popular in general in the US.
Here in Europe, people probably associate Bosch more with washing machines than power tools.

>>1896645
>Blenders are cheap bullshit used keep your gf distracted
Ah yes another macho DeWalt user just like me!
We men only eat rare steaks cooked directly on the running engines of our F-350s. Only faggy gay homos use blenders for cooking.

>>1896188
See >>1896592

>>1896639
Better than using tools that have been obsolete for 20 years. Lithium is great for homeowners, look at all the damn yard tools. A 2.0Ah battery will last through any job, the packs stay charged for months. A lot of homeowner shit is using a drill to make 4 holes to hang a flat screen TV, the cordless battery will still have 3 bars rather than unrolling extension cords, the 3-jaw chuck will change from drill bit to driver bit faster, the clutch will keep the idiot from raping the screws.

>>1896179
See >>1896548

>>1896645
I refuse to buy tools made by the company that makes parts for overcomplicated and unreliable German cars.

>>1896656
They have some car parts, o2 sensors, but their blenders can’t touch my Ninja. Also the power tools aren’t marketed very well here, Lowe’s is the only place I know that would sell me a Bosch drill.

>>1884086
>Blankets
>Overpriced cardboard

>>1896670
You can joke, but I literally can't think of one reason to own a blender.
So, jokes aside, if defending the device that makes your milkshakes and kale smoothies is a hill you're willing to die on, you might be at least kind of gay.
Or, european.

>>1896680
Why would you when all you eat are mom's tendies?

>>1896682
Dunno, why would I?
What do you use your blender for, eurofag?
Name a thing you make with a blender that doesn't make you sound like a fatfuck, a vegan, or a woman.

>>1896687
tomato sauce?

>>1896691
A knife and a pot too much work for you?
You felt the need to get a "power tool" to help you make tomato sauce?
I'm not even trying to be an ass, but really?
Also, do you actually make your own tomato sauce, or are you just listing a thing you know someone could use a blender for?

>>1896696
Is a screw driver too much work for you?

>>1896697
Yes. Unironically.
The screen porch I built recently--you can't do that with a screwdriver.
Power tools for construction are the standard. Building techniques and materials have literally changed because of their existence.
"Power tools" for the kitchen are for giving women more time to watch oprah.

>>1896703
>"Power tools" for the kitchen are for giving women more time to watch oprah.
And it's giving me more time to shitpost on 4chan.

>>1896707
Modernity has, indeed, failed us.

>>1896672
>Better than using tools that have been obsolete for 20 years.
A brand new corded drill is no more obsolete than the cordless drill you are buying.

>Lithium is great for homeowners, look at all the damn yard tools
Like what? You cant even argue that Gas mowers and Weedeaters dont rape electric tools in every way.
You are putting all your chips into the leafblower and hedge trimmer basket, which corded has been more than perfect for for decades?

>A lot of homeowner shit is using a drill to make 4 holes to hang a flat screen TV
Exactly why the cordless luxury and premium is completely unwarranted and unironically a bad buy in most cases.

>the 3-jaw chuck will change from drill bit to driver bit faster
As opposed to what exactly?

>the clutch will keep the idiot from raping the screws.
There are clutched corded drills, even though that clutches are fucking worthless garbage in the first place

You havent made a single compelling point other than to say "its 'old' so its bad"
Gonna have to try harder than that.

>>1896716
The blender is 98 years old, how much further back do you want to go?

>>1895621
Makita 9.6v stick batteries are really popular for all sorts of industrial remote controls. We've got like 10 traksporters at my plant and their controllers all run on those batteries.

>>1896696
>tomato sauce without blending it into a smooth purée
american cooking is a tragedy

>>1889021
>Makita
+Deep Tool Lineup
-Weak Battery Platform (One of the early adopters, thus not as refined); see 18X2, compared to DeWalt's FlexVolt
-Expensive (never on sale)
+Good ergonomics
-Not as reliable as their older tools.
+Other tools rely on Makita battery platform (Greenlee for sure)
+People swear by their angle grinders, circular saws, and miter saws. I think they make the best saws period.
+Default "Pro" brand outside of the USA

Bosch 18V
+Actual innovation (SDS, Starlock multi Tools, Quick Change Angle Grinder)
-Tool Lineup so-so. Good enough, but not actively releasing year by year.
-Performance eh. Older battery platform, also 18X2 system
-Design is lacking

>>1884515
You buy craftsman? Are they any good? It seems like most of their stuff is a pile of shit but maybe I’m wrong.

>>1884762
>dewalt
>expensive
Compared to what, Black and Decker?

>>1886906
>I CAN HANDLE ALL THE GIRTH YOU CAN GIVE ME BIG BOY
Weird flex but ok.

>>1896656
Sounds about right. Bosch power tools are pretty popular here, as are their household appliances, shavers, blenders, fridges, washing machines and so on. They're not badly priced and generally of good quality. Many tradesmen use the Bosch blue line of tools. It's mostly Bosch, Hilti or DeWalt here.

>>1889097
Kek

>>1889095
The handles look better than the over the top styling of most red-yellow-teal

>>1889123
ryobi are utter shit. I've had two ryobi tools break on the first job. I used to use dewalts because the drills were the best. now mostly Milwaukee as they have caught up on the drill quality and their saws have always been great.

>>1896656
I have a few bosch chorded tools. man do they kick. I only use the Bosch sawsall for rough demo because it is like a jackhammer with no variable speed trigger. I also have a Bosch dishwasher. it's solid.

>>1896680
I gotta make my frozen margheritas somehow. I make my kids milkshakes sometimes too.

>>1896687
>sound like a fatfuck, a vegan,
So basically you’re triggered by people that eat well, and people that don’t eat well.

>>1896839
>rent free

>>1896687
Shakes and smoothies with whey.
Gotta get dem proteins nigga

>>1897020
Best use for a blender I've heard all thread.
Fair enough.

>>1897021
>triggered
Having nothing in common is what "triggered" means, I guess.

>>1897039
Or, eat real food. Or, shake the damn shake, like you lift, or something, I don't know.

>>1897046
>So basically you’re triggered by people that eat well, and people that don’t eat well.
>So basically you’re nothing in common with people that eat well, and people that don’t eat well.
Solid point. Good post.

>>1884100
I was on the fence but now I'm sold. A different pepe sticker on every tool

>>1884543
I have mostly DeWalt tools and have about the same experience

Pros
>Performance is never disappointing
>Batteries hold up for larger projects
>Power/torque is just as good or better than my other tools
>Aging well

Cons
>?
I've been thinking about it this whole thread and don't really have one.
I suppose cost of brand new ones.

>>1896670
based, tho I use a Jeep Wrangler

>>1896680
I used to think the same thing til I had a mango smoothie. now I make my own with milk and local honey. mouth melting

>>1897146
A con for Dewalt is a shorter warranty than Milwaukee but my company replaces power tools if they break so it doesn't matter to me.

>>1896680
Hi retard.

>>1884874
The teal drivers (or maroon in my case) are fantastic. Having two battery platforms isn’t a bad thing at all unless you’re working with a crew and trying to keep it consistent.

I have a stable of Teal and Yellow cordless. Goves me options for the better tool in whatever particular category:
Teal -
Circ. Saws, drills, drivers, recip saws,

Yellow -
Nailers, sander, router, oscillating multi-tool

I have a single charging station that I made so I always have the right batteries and chargers. But I work alone, so no consideration given to sharing

>>1886903
Is this true? Because I've got loads of Worx batteries.

>>1885449
>>1885449
I bought the Worx WX373 from Argos about 3 years ago. It's a really, really good hammer drill/driver with LOADS of power. I've drilled into metal, wood and masonry with zero problem. Went through materials like butter. Managed to push timberlock screws all the way into a solid oak sleeper.
They do many versions of the same type of tool for all budgets. Make sure you check specifications before purchase.

>>1897085
>obesity
>emaciation
>eating well

Bauer

>>1897171
I dont think it’s retardation so much as an inferiority complex and/or possibly closeted homosexuality, that causes that anon to have a need to appear hyper-masculine to the point of being triggered by blenders.

>>1883978
Makita
Pro they are power tools and they get the job done.

con battery has to be recharged.

>>1897366
>battery has to be recharged.
well that's a dealbreaker

>>1885179
He has a point you know, but I'm sure there are more blue collars on here.

>>1897151
When it breaks*
I've murdered lots of Milwaukee tools (at least 10) compared to killing two dewalt chorded drills in 10 years. I unfortunately murdered a Milwaukee super sawzall from the 80's brand new in box I got from a geezer at a garage sale, she ran like a dream for 6 years. Until I gave it to an apprentice. Must have got the motherfucker drenched or something I feel responsible by proxy and I'm tempted to replace the motor and wire assembly just to get her back up and running.

>>1885324
>what kind of stupid faggot needs that
One who works at a camper shop? We've got a Milwaukee one. We also have a set of DeWalt tin shears for J-metal and side skirting.

What even is the difference between tool brands anymore? Color schemes? I've been rolling with DeWalt stuff and haven't had any issues.

>f-350

Venison on a Dirtymax or go home.

>>1897178
thats a nice collection, really like the nippon makita stuff, the williams stuff too, would like to own some nice US tools, but all i have is german, taiwanese and japanese atm as US tools arent that easy to get here in germany.

basically just deceided on the teal and now all the 40v stuff comes out and im unsure again. what are those bit holders?

>>1896720
Head in the sand boomers

>>1897536
I love some of the German tools though! Wiha screwdrivers and Knipex pliers are my favorites.

The 40v stuff will be cool, but honestly haven’t run out of power with my 18v drivers and drills. So I don’t have the urge to upgrade. I may be interested in the impact wrench and rotary hammer though. If my 18v’s start to fail, I’ll probably transition at that point.

Bit holders are Milwaukee. Nothing special.

>>1886903
Yes I have a titan combi drill, bauker jigsaw and compact sds, erbauer radio, blue ridge detail sander, and worx impact driver, mower and strimmer. All take the same battery.

>>1897824
Meant for >>1897192

>>1897555
Except he's right. Nice ad hominem.

Same thread, same answers.

>Makita
>I have a lot of batteries and tools already
>Works for me, I like the feel of most of the tools

>Everything else
>I don't have any batteries or tools already
>I do like some DeWalt and Milwaukee tools
>I don't like them enough to invest in a new set of tools/batteries/chargers

If you're a homeowner and don't have any already go buy whatever is on sale.

If you're any kind of professional you shouldn't be asking the question, but generally I see Makita/DeWalt/Milwaukee on job sites. Ryobi being used by the laborers/new guys. Hilti being used by the metal framers.

>Bauer
>+ Better performance, better tool
>- cost

>Hercules
>- Shittier performance, worse tool
>cheaper

>>1897016
I've had a lot of dewalt batteries go bad in 3-4 months. Ryobi still going strong for 2 years. Only good dewalt tool are the drills, everything else is the same quality as ryobi but 30% more price. The drill bits n blades from dewalt are also utter shit.

>>1884211
...the hilti 12v impact has almost the same torque as makitas 18v lol

>>1885324
Bro maybe your an age old expert at handling caulk, but for those of us who don’t have our hands wrapped around a tube 24/7 but suddenly find we’re going to have to do some serious caulking it’s great, no more repetitive pumping till it comes out, predictable settings that get it just right every time, no wrist strain from constant repetitive cranking on caulk for hours on end, fewer messes to clean up when it sprays a big blob out unexpectedly. Sir you may be a god of the caulk and you may have gained so much experience that these are not problems for you, but for the average person handling a strange caulk and not necessarily knowing the best way to knock off the job a battery powered caulk tool is fantastic.

>>1893850
Make the apprentice do the grunt work

>>1896640
If they had one that ran off the batteries I’d buy it in a heartbeat. Frozen mixed drinks at the beach man...

>>1897841
Tripping over 150ft of extension cords is objectively better?

>>1900219
My shop's outlets aren't spaced 150ft apart.

>>1897902
my brother has been buying the shit out of ryobi tools, and he's been a red seal carpenter for years. But maybe the stereotype is real, he just likes that he can adapt old batteries to Ryobi tools easily, cuz he has a ton of old-ass batts that will work, but the tools are missing/fucked

>>1896720

>gas weed whackers are better than electric weed whackers
>clutches on drills are dumb

retard alert, everyone knows you can buy new corded tools, your tools are probably just fucking ancient like you are. Nobody likes the restrictions they sometimes bring, and branded corded drills are usually higher quality than cheap-ass cordless no-name drills that homeowners with no expertise buy.

You sound like you've been working drywall for 40 years and are so used to drywall guns you can't stand the idea of using a hammer driver for anything anymore.

>>1900224
>will only do work in perfect conditions
Might as well run air tools instead and get real power instead of your corded boomermatic electric rattleguns

>>1889157
Why?

im a contractor and have used most these tools on an actual job site before. My take away is it comes down to a few personal preferences and price point.

the big three here in the states are all virtually the same thing it will come down to what color you like most thats about it. They all do the jobs just fine and can make you money.

Saying that If i was a plumber electrician or finish carpenter id be in Milwaukee. The m12 series is by far the best small stuff and their specialty electrical and plumbing tools are great. The little m12 drills are awesome for windows cabinets and trim.

As a general contractor I'm going with dewalt. Some of the fit and finish isnt as tight or clean as Milwaukee but it does have a noticeable power difference and when you need it you need it. The Milwaukee hammer drill is pathetic and their fein saw is cumbersome. Did not like their sidewinders or grinder all the much either.

As for metabo and the euro brands they are comparable but dont have the tool lineup here in the states to make worth getting in my opinion.

Also ryobi and rigid craftsman are great for homeowners. Any pro using that stuff would be laughed of a jobsite.

Festool is also very gay

just picked this set up. their lowest tier shit but im sure they will work well for homeowner shit. all i had before was some harbor fright ni-cd stuff

>>1901800
2x4.0ah batteries is kindof nuts for that price. Idk about the release style on them but seems ok overall. Really with these kits its how good the impact part of the impact is in terms of how controllable it is, like KNOWING when it will impact, how easy it is to braaaap something in and let off just in time or just touch something down with a mild trigger press where it is impacting like once a second. The Dewalt impact I tired was pretty shitty at that seemed hard to predict the actual impact function.

>>1884860
>>1888012
Vein makes all shit except a switches an transistors in house.

>>1896720
Get a load of this faggot

>>1884074
Milwaukee is made in Milwaukee Wisconsin

>>1901674
>Also ryobi and rigid craftsman are great for homeowners. Any pro using that stuff would be laughed of a jobsite.
I do strictly commercial electrical work on state/city jobsites and my Ridgid tools have done more than plenty. They’ve even outpaced the dewalt stuff some of my coworkers bring.

>coworkers bring 1.5aH virgin batteries to jobsite for their drill or sawzall or impact or bandsaw
>always have to change and charge batteries in a days work
>I bring the chad 3aH battery and the only time I have to change and charge is if I use the fuck out of my one handed sawzall
When will amplets learn? Still considering one or two 2aH batteries for the weight difference though

>>1901990
yeah ok commercial electrician aka guy who barely does anything.

>>1902066
Wrong. The contractor I work with is the main player in this part of the US that sets up sports arena lighting for a certain manufacturer. If you actually ever worked on a jobsite before or used a cordless tool you’d know how full of shit you are.

My Ridgid impact can fasten 3/8” bolts and nuts to 1-5/8” unistrut to hold up 250lb Square D transformer panels which is great for what we do, tough guy

>>1884239


>>1884239
Speaking of 12v I have some of those brushless CXTs. Got the impact driver and the driver drill. They are excellent. The impact is very good. One of the fastest rpm I've got.

>>1902069
a black and decker drill can do it too. It's the longevity of the parts you're paying for. rigid is better than ryobi and below the other three. The chucks are just not as nice nor are their battery performance. Fact

>>1883980

Metabo htp is just that shitty chink Hitachi brand rebranded with a price increase

Milwaukee is best.
+ Red
-Expensive
I still love it anyway.

>>1901800
Can't believe you get better deals on eurotoys than we in Europe do.

Whenever this discussion comes up it's literally just everyone jerking themselves off because they're invested in one brand or another because they've brought into a battery ecosystem they feel compelled to say there's is better than the other.

The best tool brand is the one that works for you. I eat ass.

>>1883978
Harbor freight lithium ion tools.
I'm not a tradie so they get used maybe once a week on lite jobs.

>>1902139
>>1901800
yep here you get the batteries and charger for 100 euros. the kit deals they have in burgerland are amazing.

>>1901952
their lower end 18v stuff isnt made in germany afaik

>>1902010
Those will still run an impact driver for the whole day with intermittent use. Shit like the 6.0Ah+ batteries are game changers for saws and such tho, plus they don’t get as hot with extra saws and give you a little more power. 5 small cells aren’t the best for big tools for a number of reasons, 15 small cells or 10 large cells will change the whole situation.

Supposedly these Ridgid packs still run 18650s instead of 21700s, but the packs are physically larger because they space the cells out and they run cooler.

>>1902246

>>1902085
The contractor I work for leases Hilti drills and assigns them to us, the chuck on that isn’t any worse than the chuck on my Ridgid drill. I’ll use either when I’m drilling a hole with a unibit to knock out a hole for conduit in a panel box.

>>1883978
Im a plumber and use Black and Decker

>>1902668
Butt plumber =/= union plumber =/= proctologist

>>1883978
makita or metabo imo

I run dewilt, minus my miter saw which is milfucky. Mostly due to the price of switching to different batteries. The only battery I have had a problem with i dropped when I was on a 32 foot ladder, still works but it won't hold charge for nearly as much work.

>>1903481
Gayyyyyyyy

>>1883978
Pro: they make a good tool
Con: they make a shit tool
this applies to all brands. dont think about it too much

i have milwaukee for battery tools, ryobi 40V for yard equipment and a variety of brands for corded stuff based on what the best options were at the time, which happens to be a good amount of dewalt (i was surprised too)

>>1896592
>>1896188


We hired a fence company to put up 400 lf of picket, spaced 8 foot per post and 3 inches per picket with 5 gates.

The guys used a corded skill saw the first time, but all cordless dewalt for the second round. They used a gas generator/air compressor with cords, used my power outlet to charge their cordless flexvolt tools, and the only corded tool used was a 65lb, 15amp Hilti jackhammer.

I think most people have moved on to cordless.


We still use corded tools in my shop, the planer, drill, Radial Arm saw, and my tiller is a 13.5 amp corded tool, but everything else is 40-80 volt lawn tools. We have an acre in the woods so these tools see lots of action.

>>1902010
>>1902246


I covered our carport with 1x4 wood slats and used a corded drill to punch through the 1/4 inch steel and an impact driver to fasten the wood to the metal. 4-5 hours of impact driving and the 1.5 amp dewalt xr still had power.

love those toys bros, LOVE EM

>>1885186
Yep. Several times. Orange. Teal. Yellow and red. Havent broken any green yet.

>>1887374
Link?

Bought 30 days ago. Have screwed about 200 wood screws into 2x4 and works great. Paid $50 came with batt and charger. The batt is a 20v 1.5aH and works good enough. Home stuff.

>>1884766
kind of unrelated, but I just bought their corded brushed impact wrench that comes with sockets and a case while it was on sale and that thing is pretty dank. Only real complaint is the size.

>>1905868
At least it’s the lithium. My father in-law, the daughter bought him the Ni-Cd version a few years ago for Xmas, Father’s day I got him a Ryobi saw and a few batteries and told him I can’t buy another drill and make her feel shitty, but he has batteries if he wants to buy a drill. He went out and got impacts and a multitool and some other shit right after.

>>1905891
Yeah I think there’s like 3 or 4 of those corded impact designs and they’re rebranded and sold under a thousand different names. The Craftsman, Porter Cable, and Bauer all look the same. They work, but they’re big compared to the newer cordless tech.

Pic related is 620ft-lbs in the orange one with all the settings and speeds compared to 450 in the corded. I really want to grab the new Ridgid high torque that came out but I haven’t had a job the other one won’t get through.

Mastercraft is the best. Its in the fucking name, its made for master's of the craft.

>>1902112
Based. Fuck the neets here worrying about getting the cheapest tool, I'm happy with my milwaukee m18 tools. When it comes to corded I prefer getting the best tool rather than looking at the brand.

>>1883978
>Ryobi
> + battery compatability, you can use new batteries on old ass tools
Same goes for the Bosch Professional 18V series, going since 2008 with the same battery style.
Even though running your big anglegrinder on a 12 year old 2 AH pack might not yield great results, it is possible at a reduced powerlevel.
And a brand new ProCore series battery is still compatible with a 2008 drill.
>>1885186
Yes, but but only Chinesium stuff.
After that I got fed up and bought into the Bosch Professional ecosystem and even though I abused the shit out of a relatively cheap GSR 18-2 LI Plus, it still doesn't show signs of weakness.
>>1889021
The difference between Bosch professional and Makita in therms of quality depends more on the exact tool you pick than on the brand.
>>1895641
>>1895680
Probably brushed motors, the brushes wear out on them and they stop working.
Typicalnweae item, cheap to replace.
>>1896188
Corded tools aren't anywhere near as flexible as cordless ones.
You allways need to lay a cable to where you want to work.
Even if it's just a small thing.
>>1896946
>-Performance eh. Older battery platform, also 18X2 system
They somewhat recently updated their batteries, new cells and sizes for high power demand applications, still cross compatible with the old ones.
>>1902246
There are 12 AH batteries now.

>>1896645
>Blenders are cheap bullshit used keep your gf distracted
Know how I can tell you don't lift?

LIDL's store brand is truly the patrician choice.

>>1885559
You could rebuild the battery pack quite cheap.

>>1883978
Got a whole lot of dewalt stuff now. Only thing I am disappointing in is their multi tool/renovator. The bit/chuck comes loose to easy, I have to tighten it to levels I'm not comfortable with, worried I will strip it out.
>>1896188
Fuck that, I used to think that before I got good tools. When your up a ladder or in a roof or just far enough away from a socket that you have to get out another extension cord its a pain in the ass.
>>1884519
>One sneaky nail wrecks turns your nice spade bit into any other spade bit.
Or
>Come down from the far corner of your roof and realize you left one behind.

>>1901981
>Milwaukee is made in Milwaukee Wisconsin
No they're made in China and they're garbage.

>>1908553
>Fuck that, I used to think that before I got good tools. When your up a ladder or in a roof or just far enough away from a socket that you have to get out another extension cord its a pain in the ass.
+1, even for the occasional user, cordless drills and shit are probably a better option than corded. Half the time Joe Weekender is using his drill, it’s to make 2 holes to hang some shit in drywall or on the exterior of the house, not worth unrolling extension cords for 2 holes.

Plus they’re better in pretty much every aspect

>>1908696
Are they better even in case of reinforced concrete and bricks, and when you don't really need to roll out any extension cords, because you're working inside the house?

>>1896640
>>1896640
its actually made by B/S/H a joint venture between Bosch and Siemens they make ovens washers vacuums you can buy them with a bosh logo or a Siemens logo.

I'm a carpenter. I have tools from several brands. Here's what I keep in my truck.
Makita: corded sidewinder, corded hypoid, sub-compact cordless drill and driver, mac5200 compressor
Dewalt: 12" compound miter saw (DW706) and 10" table saw (DW745)
Milwaukee: old corded sawzall and a new m18 sawzall with two 5amp batteries
Bosch: sds+ bulldog and jigsaw
Hitachi: stick and coil framing guns and 15 gauge angle finish nailer