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2023269 No.2023269 [Reply] [Original]

I'm in the market for a 3D printer around the price range of the Ender 3. My coworker and the internet seem to reccommend it, but I don't want to buy chinkshit if I don't have to. Is their anything made in US/Germany/Japan etc that's in the same price range and quality, or should I save up for the Prusa mk3?

>> No.2023270

>>2023269
Do you have down syndrome?

> should I save up for the Prusa mk3?
You think the Prusa isnt all parts made in china?

>> No.2023298

>>2023269
All 3d printers are chinese. While alot of "chinkshit" does come in on the boats, an Ender 3 is far from shit. Any company saying their printer is USA made is using chinese parts and just adding a few screws once it makes it off the boat.
You want real chinkshit, Anet A8.

>> No.2023302

>>2023269
The prusa is chinese parts ... Even the extruder motor has a nice big "C E" mark on it.

>> No.2023327
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2023327

...Anyone else thinking about that fucking gif?

>> No.2023335

>>2023327
not untill you mentioned it, anon

>> No.2024575

>>2023269
Ender 3 IS the alternative.
Ender 3 pro is the better option though and not much more expensive.

>> No.2024584

>>2023302
>Even the extruder motor has a nice big "C E" mark on it.
You mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking

>> No.2024778

>>2023298
>You want real chinkshit, Anet A8.
JESUS CHRIST MAN, THERE ARE GODFEARING PERVERTS HERE THAT DONT NEED TO SEE SUCH FILTH

>> No.2024819

>>2023269
E3D's fuck you overpriced motion system.

Or build your own printer. It's a fuckload of hassle, you'll constantly be tinkering to improve it, but you'd be doing that with an ender 3 anyway. On the plus side, you'll REALLY understand your printer at the end of it, and can look down on plebs who bought theirs. Which is good, it'll keep your spirits up while you're fixing yours.

Even building your own, you'll still have chinkshit, but you can choose and you'll pay for it.

>> No.2025119

>>2023269
I have an ender 3 pro that I have upgraded the shit out of. Just think of it as a cheap way to get a base that you can hang better parts on. Prusa is just chinkshit with better qc. Make sure you get the pro with the mean well power supply instead of that house fire that comes with the regular ender 3.

>> No.2025122

>>2023269
Build one from parts.

>> No.2025531

>>2023269
the 300iq move is to start with an ender 3, play around with it for a bit. then replace the motherboard with something like an SKR mini. by this point you should completely understand how the thing works/fits together/how to tinker with the firmware. from there you can upgrade the frame (aluminium extrusion is as cheap as shit), turn it into a core XY, etc...
then you can turn the original mobo into the base for your first completely custom build

>> No.2025611

>>2023269
Anything flashforge is the way to go. Flashprint, their slicer software, is based.

>> No.2026382
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>>2023269
Bought a prusa mk3 as my first and am regularly caressing my nipples giggling about the scores of issues with other printers brought up daily on this board.
>tfw never had to level a bed or buy upgrades in my life
Admittedly bltouch is supposed to be better than the PINDA, but it's good enough for me.
I'm also in the EU, which makes it more convenient in terms of shipping, tariffs, etc. I bought it from 0% interest student loans as well, which means a 5% discount over the many years I'll have to pay it back.

>> No.2026396

>>2026382
buy the prusa mini for 350usd, they actually have quality control and the thing is dummy proof

>> No.2026404

>>2026382
>paying 4X the price just for mesh leveling
I dont even use mesh leveling, leveling an Ender 3 bed takes 5 minutes and it doesnt lose its level very easily.
I know you need to justify your purchase, but there really isnt a lot of problems with Enders. There is a reason they have sold by the boatloads

>>2026396
>buying a smell envelope shitty cantilever printer because of mesh leveling
"no"

>> No.2026419

>>2026404
It's okay if you're fine tinkering with the printer, I've had hobbies/projects like that, but in the case of 3D printing, I wanted to touch it as little as possible and it fulfilled that requirement. I always take ages deliberating what to buy and from where, and I made the right choice for myself in this case. I wanted this hobby to be about CAD and results, not the meta. I know the overwhelming majority of 3dp hobbyists enjoy this tinkering, I mean just look what a huge proportion of the catalogue is made up of printer upgrades on thingiverse. In this instance, I wanted to create parts for anything BUT the printer.
Reminds me too much of RPGs where you grind to unlock something so that you can grind more efficiently.

>> No.2027283

>>2023269
wait until you finally decide on a printer and want to start shopping filaments, it's almost all chinkshit or companies outsourcing there
there are a bunch of EU/US(SA/TW too) made brands but they take a bit of searching for if you're an amazonfag (reddit has already made lists but always confirm yourself)
>>2026382
keyed, it unironically just works
did the same except I ordered a steel nozzle so I can start printing abrasive stuff

>> No.2027502

>>2023269
> posting from chinkshitphone/chinkshit mouse&keyboard via some chinkshit modem

to many screws for you anyway faggot

>> No.2027519

>>2023269
Ender 3 is basically the cheapest on the market for something with it's build volume and print quality.
The only alternative is going to be building your own, which isn't terribly hard.
You could just copy the Ender 3 design, it's about as simple as it gets.
If you want better quality, try a CoreXY design.
Look at the RepRap wiki for plans.

>> No.2027552

>>2023269
>nigga-dey-all-chinese.jpg

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2027771

>>2024584
no, this one (right)

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2027777

heres a sketch of an upcoming 3d printer I've been hearing about, rumors are that its gonna be quite cheep

>> No.2028094

>>2027777
quads confirm

>> No.2028383

>>2027777
It’s been torturous waiting for that printer to finally be released.

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Good for making nylon gun parts?

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>>2027777
>quad 7s

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>>2023327

>> No.2029654

I was thinking about getting an E3 Pro w/ tempered glass and the upgrade kit or a PLSun q5. What do you guys suggest for a first printer?

>> No.2029682

>>2029654
>What do you guys suggest for a first printer?
>>2029310

>> No.2030907

>>2023269
holy fuck you're unbelievably retarded

>> No.2031280

>>2023302
the zip ties that hold it all together are american made though!

>>2023269
anycubic megazero 2.0

>> No.2031284

>>2023270
>You think the Prusa isnt all parts made in china?
Its not

>> No.2031289

>>2031284
proof? The company is not chinese but they use "globally sourced components" aka chinese

>> No.2031385

>>2031289
The hot end and heat brake are made in the UK. The extruder is made in Sweden. The plastic printer parts are made in the Czech Republic. Some parts are made in China, but a lot are not.

>> No.2031393

>>2023269
there ender 3 , clones and chink closed source crap.

>> No.2031410

>>2023269
>around the price range of the Ender 3
>I don't want to buy chinkshit
Pick one

>> No.2031433
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2031433

>>2023269
I've owned every ender printer yet. Waiting on the ender 6. Some people swear by Prusa, I really like creality. They sent me parts for free that I personally broke.

>> No.2031437

>>2031433
Every other printer I've researched lacks features at the price point of the ender series. It's really trivial to upgrade. Tinker with. Etc. I really highly suggest the ender 5 plus. It's the best printer at that price point.

>> No.2031440

>>2031437
I think a lot of people who like Prusa have never used an ender printer. I prefer the all metal construction etc about them. I've owned both Prusa and Creality and always suggest Creality for newcomers and old timers. They make the best printers at their price points.

>> No.2031446

>>2031440
Like on my mk3s it'll print very high resolution but it shifts. I've sent it back 4 times and it constantly does it. With my ender 3 even, the only time I have to worry is that first layer. Little glue goes a long way. It's because of the plastic design and the heat dissipation into the plastic corner mounts causing the entire print to shift. Prusa is closed source. Creality is gpl. It's really a no brainier. Get the ender 3 v2. Outstanding printer.

>> No.2031449

>>2031446
I sincerely have no idea how Creality makes their money, but buck for pound creality is the better buy.

>> No.2031460

>>2026404
>4X
That's like two hours of work anon

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>>2031433
>>2031437
>>2031440
>>2031446
>>2031449

>> No.2031465

I own an Ender 3 and it's a piece of shit.
Replacing it with a Prusa Mini.

>> No.2031466

>>2031465
How? Do tell.

>> No.2031468

>>2031462
I wish I were paid or even given one for free. I just like their products. They're open source. Like Linux. Inexpensive. Uses really good parts. Easily upgradable. Take my advice or leave it, I don't care.

>> No.2031471

>>2031466
>Fans loud as fuck.
>Does not turn off after finishes printing
>Uneven base.
>No auto-leveling
>Manual bed-leveling and tuning takes hours
>One nut won't compress enough to make bed level
>Because can't make it perfectly level can only print on the center
>Goes to shit after an upgrade
>Shit original bed material, had to buy a glass bed
>No WiFi
>Have to wait for months for chinkshit upgrade parts to arrive
Buy it only if your time is worthless and you like being cucked by a printer.
A Prusa Mini is an extra $200, that's literally nothing.

>> No.2031473

>>2023269
>same price range and quality
no. just like japan in the 80's, china is using its relatively worthless currency to maximum advantage. they can undercut other nationalities because their cost and standard of living is relatively low, happens with every developing country. you can make one from scratch, but be aware that most of the parts will just come from china anyway even if you buy them from an american dealer

>> No.2031474

>>2031471
Also bed is fixed with fucking clips instead of being magnetic.

>> No.2031477

>>2031449
they do exactly zero research and need to amortize essentially zero cost on each unit. perk of putting together and selling an open source design

>> No.2031479

>>2031474
It's been a while since I've owned the 3. It was really good for it's time. I own an ender 5 plus and it has all that. Go buy a Prusa. You'll be back. The ender 6 is pretty good. As for the uneven base, did you try using a square when putting it together? Sounds like you need to adjust it. If your done with it though, list it on eBay and link it here, I'll buy it from you.

>> No.2031480

>>2031477
If it's this good with 0 r&d I'm an even bigger fan. Y'all can keep your plastic Prusas. I've had my fill and they all suffer from the same issues. I'll stick to my professional level materials and do my own research.

>> No.2031482

>>2031479
>I own an ender 5 plus
I've been considering getting one of those and making a heated enclosure, along with some other modifications like a direct drive extruder with a volcano. Does it seem like a good platform for that sort of thing? Can the frame handle high travel speeds without artifacts?

>> No.2031486

>>2023269
The >>3dpg sticky has all the information you need.
>but I don't want to buy chinkshit
>anything made in US/Germany/Japan
You're pretty much fucked in that regard as these countries outsourced their industry to other countries such as China because of muh greenhouse gas emissions.
Most parts such as stepper motors will inevitably be made in China unless you cherrypick them from other providers and make the printer yourself.
Mexico, Brazil, India, Malaysia, Vietnam and Taiwan may supply you some parts you need, check them out and tell me if you get some good results.

>> No.2031493

>>2031479
>The ender 6 is pretty good.
No bed leveling? Into the trash it goes.
>As for the uneven base, did you try using a square when putting it together?
Bought assembled. Not wasting time doing mexican work.
>If your done with it though, list it on eBay and link it here, I'll buy it from you.
What for? A hundred bucks? Why would one bother?

>> No.2031494

>>2031482
You'll want linear rails. 400mm rails. They make all the difference in the world for speed printing.
Next upgrade you'll want is rack and pinion.
Direct drive is something I'm considering.
I put 4 acrylic walls around it and it fixes the breeze issue, might enclose the top but it's sincerely fine.
Printermods.com has everything you'll need.

It has mesh bed leveling built in which I like.
I can control the whole thing via a raspberry pi, so people complaining about the wifi issue needs to chill.

No matter the 3d printer you buy, you need to learn it. I bought the Prusa lie. Plastic warps. I'll never go back.

>> No.2031497

>>2031493
Just install a bltouch and activate it in the menu takes all of 10 minutes.

If you think the Prusa is going to be better, please go buy it. You'll be crawling back to Creality begging mama su forgiveness.

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>>2031497
What's wrong with a Prusa? Can't it print out of the box? Or does it print like an Ender does?

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>>2031497
Nope, takes a month to arrive and at least a couple hours to install.
Pic related is how an Ender prints out of the box.

>> No.2031504

>>2031494
>You'll want linear rails. 400mm rails.
I was looking at an Exoslide setup. The abundance of mounting points is attractive.

>Plastic warps.
Hence my desire for a full, heated enclosure.

>> No.2031514

>>2023269
Buy Prusa Mini+, not Prusa MK3S.

>> No.2031520

>>2031504
The issue with Prusa is the plastic supports on the printer. It warps over time causing prints to fail. The all metal construction is why I chose Creality. I know it gets a lot of hate here but I like them. An enclosure is necessary.

>> No.2031522

Ender 3 pro kit which poorfags recommend: $250.
Prusa Mini+ assembled: $500.
Now let's calculate the costs to make Ender 3 assuming you make $25/hr
>Assembling: two hours ($50)
>Replacing motherboard with SKR MINI ($40 materials, $50 time)
>Installing BLTouch ($20 materials, $50 time)
>Glass bed ($30 materials)
>Smart socket and script to turn it off when stops consuming power ($30 materials, $75 time)
In the end Ender 3 costs you $370 in materials and at least $225 in time, that's $600.
Keep in mind that in the end you
>still get a subpar printer
>have to wait for all those parts to arrive
>might mess up and increase the costs
>get no customer support
>can't return it if you bought it from the Chinese or already messed with it
>you should make more than $25/hr, that's borderline minimum wage

>> No.2031523

>>2031522
So get the 5 plus. Shrugs.

>> No.2031524

>>2031522
>Now let's calculate the costs to make Ender 3 assuming you make $25/hr

Ah, yes, the "my free time has literally any monetary value" fag.

Hate to break it to you, but matter what you'd like to tell yourself, it has no real value. At best, it has an opportunity cost. But I know you don't give a shit about that, because you aren't trying to optimize every waking second to make as much money as possible.

You shouldn't be calculating an hourly rate to determine how much your free time is worth, because you know as well as I do that your options aren't "put 3D printer together or make my normal hourly wage and pay someone else to do it". They're "put 3D printer together or shitpost on /diy/", which is apparently a much less clear-cut decision in your case.

>> No.2031529

>>2031524
Not to mention that it's a hobby. 3d printing is not something you can make money off of unless you have multiple printers running round the clock. He's just a troll.

>> No.2031579

>>2031522
You're not mentioning that the Prusa Mini has 11 weeks waiting time while I can get an Ender3 from the creality warehouse in germany in 5 days.

>> No.2031585

>>2031524
>it has no real value
That anon cares about it. His free time has value to him (subjective value like this is the only sort of value that exists). As with other values, it can be expressed in standard units of exchange, such as US Dollars. Applying dollar values to things that don't have commercial value is standard practice is all sorts of optimization tasks, such as etsablishing safety standards.
https://youtu.be/5ImKToAizOQ..

>> No.2031602

>>2031520
Who did you intend to reply to?

>> No.2031620

>>2031522
Kek
Its so funny that there is one unfortunate soul on this board who bought a Prusa Mini, and he continually has to justify its purchase any time its brought up.
It seems like a LOT of cope.

Also, how much money in free time did you spend researching and making that post?

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>>2031620
Bought an Ender 3 because you memed me into buying one.
Found out I needed that shit the hard way.

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>>2031522
>Assembling: two hours ($50)

>> No.2031835

>muh time is money
You're not buying a 3d printer for your job.
You're getting it for your time-wasting hobby.

>> No.2031876

>>2031835
>You're getting it for your time-wasting hobby.
Lots of people use 3D printers to make money. But let's suppose that's not the case here. How do you think it would go if you went to EMT >>2015219 and told the people there that they should stop using expensive machine tools, and do everything with files and other hand tools because wasting time is the point of the hobby?

>> No.2031880

>>2031876
/emt/ already uses the cheapest stuff they can get their hands on.
The machining is part of the hobby.

It's the journey, not the destination and all that jazz.

>> No.2031883

>>2031522
>>you should make more than $25/hr, that's borderline minimum wage
The median hourly income in the US (including both wage and salary jobs) is just over $15. The federal minimum wage is $7.25/hour.

>> No.2031890

>>2031585
>Applying dollar values to things that don't have commercial value is standard practice is all sorts of optimization tasks

Yes, and it's almost always a comparison of what it would cost to outsource a task or keep it in-house, or, similar to insurance, the cost of cleaning up a disaster/fuckup vs. the price of taking preventative measures. In all but a few cases, it's essentially either an indirect comparison of easily-comparable labor rates, sometimes with a bit of probability and risk analysis thrown in.

Again, in the case of "free time", any "objective" value is so fluid and vague that trying to pin any sort of definitive dollar amount to it is some combination of foolish and dishonest, and I'd be surprised to find out that dumb argument has ever convinced more than a few people. The ONLY time where you could say it has any real merit is when there is also immediately-available, paid work that would have to be turned down in order for you to go loaf around instead. But simply saying "my free time is worth $x.xx an hour" when you and everybody else around you knows that there is an almost 100% chance that the only other thing you'd realistically be doing right now is just another leisure activity.

Hell, with only a slight twist of logic, you could easily make a good argument that doing something like putting together a printer actually saves you additional money by taking up your time. Something along the lines of "if you weren't busy right now, there's a statistically non-negligible chance you would be doing something that costs money instead, like going out to eat, seeing a movie, or impulse buying shit you won't even really want later".

>> No.2031897

Imagine being such a fanboy (or shill) that you'll get into a philosophical debate about the value of time to defend a product on a board about doing it yourself.
all fields

>> No.2031977

>>2031473
>but be aware that most of the parts will just come from china anyway
when you diy you can actually go for quality parts, even when they are made in china.
creality and all other chinks are fishing the bottom of the barrel with their stuff, stepper motors barely adequate for the task, bed out of rolled plate, bearings often shot out of the box, design fails still present in facelift no. 3, etc.

>> No.2031979

>>2031522
>board swap 2 hours
people like you should really just buy the prusa

>> No.2032407

>>2031503
Aww babby can't level a bed or assemble a printer properly. Everything you've complained about is a "you problem" that can't be fixed by simply buying a more expensive printer. I bet you winge about everything you buy

>> No.2032414 [DELETED] 

>>2032407
Every problem can be solved with enough money.

>> No.2032416

>>2032407
>can't level a bed
Solved by buying a printer that has auto-leveling.
>assemble a printer properly
Solved by buying a pre-assembled kit.
Both easily solved with money, sweetie.

>> No.2032507

>>2031979
Im making the stark realization that half of the people in this thread are retarded and have never built anything before in their life.
People complaining about the very straightforward assembly of the Ender 3, and their complete lack of critical thinking skills in being able to level a bed.

If im being honest, its really pathetic beyond words. But I guess that comes with 3D printing and certain crowds that flock to it.
Bragging about paying more money because of your ineptitude is very telling, everyone else figured it out.

>> No.2032511

>>2032507
>certain crowds
the chad software engineer vs the virgin tradie

>> No.2032512

>>2032416
if youre too much of a brainlet to turn a few screws while using a sheet of paper as a shim, youre never going to figure out how to add bed leveling to your gcode

>> No.2032514

>>2032512
the firmware adjusts the Z offset dynamically on the go according the the heightmap measured before the print brainlet
you don't have to do shit to the gcode

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2032516

>>2032511
Think harder anon

>> No.2032519

>>2032516
what is this based printer called?
looks pretty good

>> No.2032520

>>2032519
nvm, reverse-searched it, it's a Da Vinci minimaker, I'll look into it

>> No.2032526

>>2032520
Isn't Da Vinci the one that only works with their own filament?

>> No.2032528

>>2032526
Hey, if its foolproof for children, its worth the extra money!

>> No.2032532

>>2032528
so it's the Apple of printers?

>> No.2032534

>>2032532
Apple in 1995 maybe
Apple isnt any more functional or easier than its counterparts nowadays.

>> No.2032744

>>2023269
>i would like to have a device of same quality, features, and price as other device, except i want my device to be made in country where people are not underpaid
i'm afraid magic doesn't exist. get ender 3, it's a really capable printer

>> No.2032746

>>2032532
More like HP with their overpriced ink cartidges with protection chips in them.

>> No.2032763

>>2032507
>very straightforward assembly of the Ender 3
way to out yourself as someone with just surfacelevel understanding, because it really is not straightforward.

theres 3 ways of assembling an ender.
First way is out of the box experience.
Second is making things square to 88° and checking the hotend and leadsrew. I guess you are here?

Third is fixing its dozen design flaws, things that makes it run jerky and project artefacts in the print, but non machine builders wouldnt even notice.
Like shimming the beams, checking roller bearings and shim thickness, checking squareness of the Y extrusion, squareness of the y carrier, setting x beam and y carrier level, fixing the Extruder bracket eccentric nut.

If your z doesnt move down on its own after you pull the plug, your ender is still assembled like shit

>> No.2033350

>>2031503
That's not the ender 6. That's the 3. BLtouch has been supported since the 5+ and will be going forwards on the ender 6 pro and + models, and ender 7 in the future.

>> No.2033355

>>2032763
Why are people buying the 3 and not the 3v2 at the very least? I ordered a 5 pro last year and I plan on upgrading to the 6 this year. I'll keep the old one for parts etc. I'll never grasp why people do dumb shit like buying extremely out of date technology then proceeding to bitch about it in an open forum. "Next time I'll buy a 900 dollar printer instead of a 150 dollar printer by a different brand!!!" The amount of retardation is strong. I'm not favoring Creality over Prusa but my God, the amount of stupid is unbelievable.

>> No.2033357

>>2032744
At least get the 3v2. Stop buying the old version.

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>>2031734
I just knocked this part out on my ender in 12 minutes. I'm sorry that you're too stupid to learn 3d printing. No amount of Prusa will fix what's wrong with you. NGMI.

>> No.2033367

>>2032744
>i'm afraid magic doesn't exist.
After owning several printers over the years and seeing people come and go, people expect magic. They don't realize how good quality Creality produces. All metal construction, easily upgradable, everything is open source... I think people expect to be able to print a PlayStation 5 and have it run every game on the market before it comes out. They use stuff to fill a void. They expect to come in and we should be thankful for their existence. They expect to knock out an injection molded quality part the size of a house in under an hour. They expect to make a livable wage in a day. They expect everything to be plug and play (which newsflash not even $10,000 printers are). They expect perfection without realizing that THIS IS A FUCKING HOBBY!!! THAT'S ALL THIS WILL EVER BE IS A MOTHERFUCKING HOBBY! I don't know who lied to them, maybe YouTube, but whoever it is needs to be put out of our mystery. Whenever someone asks "is 3d printing worth it?" My answer is always a resounding FUCK NO! Stay the fuck away from my hobby. I'd rather people just stick to ho trains or something. It will never be worth it, not in our lifetimes. Maybe in our children's but 3d printing is simply not for everyone.

>> No.2033373

>>2033367
To further my point, it requires skill and knowledge and wisdom and practice. Knowing how to flash firmware. Knowing how to code/program. Understanding gcode. Slicer settings, temperatures, etc. Trial and error. My God it's not magic but once you learn how to print, it really does feel like it. The reason people say "Creality is good" is because of it's open source nature. I hate Prusa with every fiber of my being for this reason alone. They have their own set of issues but fixing them requires waiting for them to offer a software update that can sometimes take months whereas, Creality firmwares get updates nightly. You can modify every part of a Creality printer. If you don't want to do this then 3D printing is not fit for you. Prusa printers not allowing certain mods makes them an enemy and anybody shilling them should just go straight to hell. They suck on so many levels, the difference is, I can fix a Creality if there's a problem.

>> No.2033402
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2033402

>>2023269
Anycubic Chiron.

>> No.2033407

>>2033402
Shh he'll be back in a month shitting on anycubic, there is no pleasing him lol.

>> No.2033471

>>2031471
Not turning off after it's done is the only thing I'll agree with you on. The rest of them are either non issues or you're blowing things out of proportion. Also I think I've had to re- level my bed once and that was hundreds of prints ago. if bed leveling takes you even a single hour as opposed to the "hours" you stated then you are genuinely an idiot.

>> No.2033474

>>2031529
By his own logic that's $46,200 pissed away literally just sitting around waiting for the printer.

>> No.2033517

>>2032763
Funny how literal children with no experience in anything can haphazardly slap the Ender 3 together and get good prints out of it.
If they are braindead and cant use a piece of paper to level it, they can just as easily set up mesh leveling by buying a $30 bl touch kit and they wont even have to worry about level anymore.

It sure seems odd that you are not as capable as them.

>> No.2033520

>>2033373
>it requires skill and knowledge and wisdom and practice
Or you can literally just google it and every answer to every creality question youve ever had is right there.
I had several years experience with 3d printing before I bought my Ender 3, but my 2 brothers both got them aswell. We all bought them on black friday 2019 when the pro was like $140.

Both had no experience at all, both were sending me of pics of high quality prints shortly after receiving the printer. One of my brothers is not handy at all and im surprised how well he took to it.
The people in this thread acting like the Ender 3 needs a lot of upgrades, and you need an extensive knowledgebase to use it are flat out lying, or they simply have down syndrome.

>> No.2033538

>>2033520
Maybe they're just tired of the creality shills like the strawman OP

>> No.2033549

>>2033538
>Maybe they're just tired of the creality shills
Sometimes a product comes out that is objectively the best value for its functionality and price, and it becomes ubiquitous in its market.
And its a snowball effect, because the more people get it, the more people vouch for it.

We saw it with the Makerfarm I3, then the folgertech I3, then we saw it with the WanHao and the MP Mini.
And now we are seeing it with the Ender3.

If OP wants to be a contrarian hipster faggot, then so be it.
But everyone else who just wants to print for cheap, with good support and community, and with a good aftermarket if so desired? You buy an Ender. Everyone knows it, OP knows it, Prusafags are mad that their printer hasnt taken off like they wanted it to. But it doesnt change reality.

>> No.2033566

>>2033549
>Sometimes a product comes out that is objectively the best value for its functionality and price
That's retarded. There never was an "objectively" best value printer ever.
There are tons of printers with similar price and functionality. It's whatever works for you.

Currently you get more functionality for lower price with the Anet A8 Plus. So how is the Ender objectively the best in that regard?

Also, i3 style design in general is overrated. CoreXYs are getting cheaper and cheaper.

And Creality absolutely does a lot of shilling and hires YouTubers like that big-titted chink to do marketing for them. Plus all the kids that never had anything but an Ender and think it's the best because that's all they know and they need to rationalise their purchase.

>> No.2033570
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2033570

>>2033355
i dunno, my ender is already years old (not even my first printer) so im talking from experience and not out of my ass
>>2033517
>and get good prints out of it
exept they dont
but you are likely too retearded to spot defects in prints you look at, while thinking -1mm tolerance is a good result
pic was done on a .4mm nozzle

>> No.2033579

>>2033570
I was literally the original OP of the original /3dpg/ back in early 2015
I know you want to blow smoke up everyones ass and act like you are special, but its not going to work here anon.

>> No.2033590

>>2033579
wew lad you made a thread

>> No.2033595

>>2028433
If you have to ask, you havent read all you need to before printing guns. Have fun losing fingers

>> No.2033596

>>2033566
>That's retarded. There never was an "objectively" best value printer ever.
Sure there is, and it changes as time goes on and the market changes.
It used to be The First $600 I3, then the first sub-$500
Then the first sub $500 metal framed printer!
And so on and so on.

The Anet A8 plus is not cheaper, The older Anets were cheap but they are way shittier built printers.
Anet was supplanted as the poorfag printer by the Ender because its a far less troublesome printer out of the box.

> i3 style design in general is overrated. CoreXYs are getting cheaper and cheaper.
The i3 style is not "overrated" because it does exactly what its meant to do at a good price point.
For the vast majority of people, the CoreXY isnt going to do shit for them.

>And Creality absolutely does a lot of shilling and hires YouTubers like that big-titted chink to do marketing for them. Plus all the kids that never had anything but an Ender and think it's the best because that's all they know and they need to rationalise their purchase.
Sounds like a lot of hipster contrarianism and cope to me honestly.
Sorry 3D printing is mainstream and you arent a special snowflake anymore anon.

>>2033590
Wew lad, you were too fucking retarded to make a solid and barebones printer work well. In the age of information where literally everything can be spoonfed to you, even after you supposedly had prior experience.

Good job, youll do great as a bagger at the grocery store.

>> No.2033601

>>2033596
>It used to be The First $600 I3, then the first sub-$500
Who the fuck used a Folgertech outside America?
That's what I mean. It might have been the best printer for *you* but it doesn't make it the objectively best printer. There's no objectively best printer - just like there's no objectively best car.

>The Anet A8 plus is not cheaper,
The Anet A8 Plus is 140€ delivered.
I have never seen an Ender 3 for that price.

>> No.2033605

>>2033596
>Wew lad, you were too fucking retarded to make a solid and barebones printer work well. In the age of information where literally everything can be spoonfed to you, even after you supposedly had prior experience.
Not the same person.

>> No.2033608

>>2033601
>bongs thinking they are relevant

>> No.2033610

>>2023269
>thinks he can avoid buying shit made in china
Grow up

>> No.2033613

>>2033608
>€
>bong
Tell me more about how only America matters while shilling Chinese printers based on Czech design.

>> No.2033705

>>2033596
i get it now
youre a shizoid who see his personal nemesis in every reply

>> No.2033709

>>2026382
Paying $999 when for 2/3 of the price he could´ve bought an CR10 Pro which has much more advanced BL and shits all over the Prusa in every other regard too.

>> No.2033803

>>2033709
Which regards would those be?

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2034779

>>2023269
>I'm in the market
>I don't want to buy chinkshit
ngmi

>> No.2034919
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2034919

Are consumer 3d printers good enough to print tiny earrings in high detail? Could the pin and fastener be printed on it all at once? would it have any strength or would it be brittle as fuck? I think it would actually be smarter to buy metal pins/needles and fasteners separately (they'd be dirt cheap, like hundreds for one dollar), and then probably just stab it in the back of your 3d printed earring

I don't own a 3d printer yet. If I had one, I'd be interested in creating custom earrings. I'd love to read your thoughts on this.

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2034927

I just assume that this won't work "as is." I used the boolean modifier to create a perfect pin-sized hole through the locking sphere. Friction should hold them together, but I don't think 3d printers are precise enough for this to work.

This is all merely for example purposes, for the sake of discussion, not any sort of "final design" that I'd waste plastic on.

>> No.2034936

>>2034919
no

>> No.2034938

>>2034936
weak

>> No.2034940

>>2034938
get a resin printer

>> No.2034941

>>2034940
such as? also, back onto my topic, how would you print it? Would you print the monkey head alone and then drill a pin into it / glue it / whatever, or could it be done like >>2034927 ?

>> No.2034942

>>2034938
also, why don't you ask in /3dpg/?
>>2034507

>> No.2034945

>>2034938
jewelry is a weak hobby
>>2034919
SLA printers can print at .025mm resolution, that might just be enough for your monke

>> No.2034947

>>2034941
the printing accuracy itself even in fdm is plenty good enough to make an earing all in one go like monkey2.png

>> No.2034950

>>2034919
You may want to consider a resin printer.

>> No.2034957

>>2034947
>>2034945
>>2034950
That's awesome to hear and I know that 3d printers are only going to get better and better as time goes on, so this is something that I'm definitely going to do a lot when I do own my own resin 3d printer

Do you guys have any design advice? How could monkey2.png be done better? What would you do if you were tasked to create those monkey earrings?

>> No.2035145

>>2034957
Engineering resins like SirayaTech Blu should hold up to the force of being inserted into a piercing hole, its slightly flexible too so you should have the pin be a cone, creating a interference fit with the locking ring. That should compensate for any tolerance issues that the printer has. Most 2k printers have a X/Y resolution of 50um so work around that.

>> No.2035182

>>2034957
probably design it to fit on a quality metal earring back. Unless it's a plug for a gauged ear or butthole.

>> No.2037097

>>2034927
>>2034941
>>2034957
Why are you in need of this much spoonfeeding? All of your questions would be easily and far more accurately answered with a web search.
It's unfortunate that giving wrong answers is the best way to make someone with the right answer pipe up, or else I'd actually put some effort into misleading retards like you.