/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1556069]

Why do people have table saws, miter saws and circular saws? Can't all 3 be done with a circular saw or even a jig saw?

[Anonymous No.1556074]

Retard troll fuck off.

[Anonymous No.1556075]

>>1556069
Good luck trying to cut any angle besides 90 degrees with a circular saw. Good luck sawing half a 4x8 length of plywood perfectly straight with a circular saw.

[Anonymous No.1556083]

>>1556069
I own a table saw and a miter saw.
I dont own a circular saw.

[Anonymous No.1556102]

>>1556075
I have all three.
Table saw is unnecessary and a pain in the ass to take on jobs.
Yep, I can cut a length of plywood perfectly straight with a circular.

[Anonymous No.1556105]

>>1556102
>Table saw is unnecessary and a pain in the ass to take on jobs.

Trim carpenters use them frequently.

[Anonymous No.1556109]

>>1556105
>Trim
Because it's probably the safest thing to use a table saw on, that and to get the ridiculous angles that a miter saw would fuck up on. The only other time I see table saws being used is if it's high production/multiple parts being cut the same, and most of the time sled is used because "table saw lol".

[Anonymous No.1556112]

>>1556102
>perfectly straight

Because you arent a woodworker, you are a lowly carpenter slamming shit together.

[Anonymous No.1556117]

>>1556112
>using a fence is hard

[Anonymous No.1556120]

>>1556117
>using a fence... on rough sawn edges
>accurate

For a carpenter they are

[Anonymous No.1556124]

>>1556069
>jig saw
These are trash. The only good thing you can do with a jig saw is to mount it upside down below a table and support the blade to create a bandsaw equivalent.

https://youtu.be/ER4y6M1ql_E
https://youtu.be/KuziiAC4oSE

[Anonymous No.1556153]

>>1556112
So, do explain why a trim 'carpenter' needs a table saw...
I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.1556164]

>>1556069
When I was doing my first wood working projects (bar stools) I thought the same shit. Longest fucking projects of my life. While a circular saw certainly can do what a miter and table saw can it is a pain in the fucking ass trying to get the accurate cuts woodworking entails. Even with a fucking tracksaw it is nowhere near as fast as a table saw as you are constantly trying to fiddle with the piece of shit to make sure it is straight and that your blade isn't cutting to anything beneath it. Don't get me started on miter cuts, they'll always come out all fucked up.

[Anonymous No.1556166]

>>1556164
Almost forgot, good luck trying to rip-cut anything remotely thin with a fucking circular saw. Drills and drill presses are the same way sometimes you just need that extra precision and/or speed.

[Anonymous No.1556291]

>>1556153
>So, do explain why a trim 'carpenter' needs a table saw...

Maybe they all don't, but I've been around trim carpenters in custom homes where you can't buy every board at Home Depot, and they would use a table saw regularly. I'm sure lots of trim carpenters (why does that term trigger your panties anyway) never use a table saw, if that helps you sleep at night, sweatie.

[Anonymous No.1556297]

>>1556069
>table saw
For when you're cutting something that is too big for a miter saw or compound saw to cut, or you very quickly need to trim one dimension down to a fairly precise length by just setting the fence. This skips the process of having to measure and mark your work for every cut.
>miter saw
For cutting down LONG boards that aren't easy to feed through a table saw, or cut miter angles on same at angles the table saw would be too clumsy to do. Also has the option of cutting metal with an abrasive wheel. Something you cannot do safely with a table saw.
>circular saw
Vital for framing tasks, decking, and expedient work where you need to trim things after installation. I'm not terribly familiar with them because I don't really do the kinds of projects that utilize them.
>jigsaw
Mostly crap. Has relatively narrow utility and I've found myself not using them anywhere near as much as I used to. Scrollsaws are better for delicate cuts in sheets. Jig saws are just a scrollsaw that you can plunge cut into things that won't fit in a scrollsaw. Albeit with less accuracy in your cutting.

[Anonymous No.1556313]

>>1556069
Short answer is yes. But for repeated square edges its is easier to use a device where a human does not have to concentrate on what he is doing.

[Anonymous No.1556528]

>>1556069
My table saw is also a circular saw. There's probably also an attachment to make it a mitre saw.

[Anonymous No.1556542]

>>1556102
>Table saw is unnecessary and a pain in the ass to take on jobs.

Hah!

[Anonymous No.1556667]

>>1556542
Is that some old ass dewalt table saw I don't know about?

[Anonymous No.1556680]

This is a really dumb thread. Each saw has its strengths and weaknesses.

You CAN, for example, rip 3/8th off a 2" wide board with a circular saw, but it's much simpler, much easier, much faster, and much safer to do it on a tablesaw.

You CAN, for another, crosscut 300 pieces to an exact length, at an exact angle, with your circular saw - but it's must simpler, faster, easier and safer with a properly set up miter saw.

OTOH, I'm not hauling either of them up 5 flights of stairs for a small job where they'll only get used three times, just to haul them back down 2 days later.

>>1556528
"circular saw" (in america anyways) means portable handheld (pic related). Not tablesaws or mitersaws, or tile saws, or whatever else, even though they also have round blades.

[Anonymous No.1556758]

>>1556680
>"circular saw" (in america anyways) means portable handheld (pic related).
I have this thing. It's very good for what it is, there are much worse stationary table saws out there. It's got a circular saw insert essentially. Very flexible and portable.

[Anonymous No.1556795]

>>1556667
Unless it looks like this it can't be that old. DeWalt was purchased by Black and Decker from AFM in 1960. They were a radial arm saw company. A year or two later B&D bought the woodworking division from Atlas/Clausing and used the DeWalt brand on it. It only lasted a few years before B&D stopped making such tools. They continued to make radial arm saws using the DeWalt name until 1988 when they sold the division. The DeWalt name went unused for a few years until B&D rebranded they professional line of tools to DeWalt. That was in about 1994 but it was exclusively used on hand tools. Drills and circular saws and such, no table saws. It wasn't until years after that, probably early 2000s at the soonest, that they started using the name on table saws again.

[Anonymous No.1556805]

>>1556680
Funny thing is, up until the 1950s, the name was used interchangeably. Kind of like jigsaw/scroll saw/saber saw is now in some places. It seems to have been a regional thing.

>>1556069
You find me a portable circular saw that can swing a 14-inch blade on a 5 horsepower motor and we'll talk. Better yet, find me a circular saw that I can put a dado stack in and cut with accurately. Portable circular saws are designed just for that; being portable. If I am up a ladder trimming the edge of some plywood or cutting bridging for between some floor joists its a circular saw all the way. Then again, if I am off by an 8th of an inch, who the fuck cares? It's all getting put together with nails anyway. You aren't going to see me ripping solid oak boards for a dining table with a circular saw anytime soon though.

[Anonymous No.1556806]

>>1556083
Circ saws are basically just for convenience as table saws and chop saws are a bitch to lug around to different job sites.

[Anonymous No.1556807]

Isn't this enough?

[Anonymous No.1556810]

>>1556153
>Doing trim work
>Door is too close to wall/vanity/electrical outlet, etc to install door casing

What now?

[Anonymous No.1556812]

>>1556528
>All in one tools

If you're an average joe homeowner, sure. But if you're a contractor or a tradie this won't work

[Anonymous No.1556815]

>>1556758
>Those legs
>Those wires
>That Fischer price quality "tool"
>That green garage door

How in the fuck am I supposed to take anything you say seriously?

[Anonymous No.1556818]

>>1556795
In my country, a circular (scroll) saw is referred to as a "skillsaw". Just like all tissues are referred to as "Kleenex" even though Kleenex is a brand and not a specific product

[Anonymous No.1556822]

>>1556818
>a circular (scroll) saw
These are different things. A circular saw has a circular saw blade. It spins. A scroll saw has a straight saw blade. It moves back an forth.

>is referred to as a "skillsaw"
Skilsaw. The company name is Skil and they sold their saw as the 'Skilsaw'. They invented the portable circular saw and that is why so many people call it that. They also had a 'Skildrill' but no one talks about that much anymore. Milwaukee invented the 'sawzall' so that is what many people call reciprocating saws. They also had a 'sawzit' but no one talks about that much anymore either. Branding is funny like that.

[Anonymous No.1556829]

>>1556822
Yes. Thank you for quoting me and then saying, albeit, more articulately, exactly what I said

[Anonymous No.1556831]

>>1556822
>>1556829
I missed your first part.
>The blade moves back and forth

This is called a "reciprocal saw' here.

[Anonymous No.1556841]

>>1556831
That is one kind. Most people think of a 'sawzall' for that type of tool. Then you have picture related, which is called a scroll saw or a jigsaw, depending on who you ask. Then there is the handheld 'jigsaw', like these:

https://archive.org/details/RockwellPorterCablePowerTools/page/n11

This was Porter-Cables fancy pants variety, which used a bayonet lug and a hook on the blade to keep it from slipping out. They all have a straight blade that moves back and forth. Some newer types add an oscillation to the blade to improve cutting but the blade is of the same type.

[Anonymous No.1556869]

>>1556075
OP is tard and all, but you know you can make straight cuts 4x8 stock with a circular saw just by clamping a straightedge to the piece?

>>1556153
dado cutting for coffered ceilings is one. Not a common one, but It's come up twice in the 4 years i was in construction. And like that other anon said, ripping trim pieces to fit, unless you're a complete butcher that rips it with a skillsaw and caulks the edge that butts with the wall

[Anonymous No.1556874]

>>1556869
oh just thought of another one, wood window sill replacements.

[Anonymous No.1556875]

>>1556812
Tradies happily use quite shit tools m80. It's the hobbyist that fetishises everything that gets the overpriced perfection tools that they then pamper. If it works well enough and gets the work done, what's the problem?

>>1556815
I haven't got a picture of my one, that's just the same thing. It's extremely well made/designed and again more precise than most large table saws. The kerf on the saw blade is really very fine too. It's a shame it doesn't live up to your aesthetic inclinations I guess, you'd probably also find it really nice to work with yourself.

[Anonymous No.1556878]

worm drive master race reporting

[Anonymous No.1559120]

>>1556069
I dunno, why are you so gay?

[Anonymous No.1559140]

>>1556875
>If it works well enough and gets the work done, what's the problem?
For a tradie, time is money. Meaning that two specialized tools that can be used immediately are better than one multipurpose tool that has to be set up and taken down multiple times through a job.

[Anonymous No.1561265]

Because we want them, and are not poor.

[Anonymous No.1561349]

Rip a 16ft board you woodlet, OP. With multiple passes jointing an edge can be accurate with a table saw, mind the gaps.

And no, a circular saw rip fence is not accurate.

[Anonymous No.1561350]

>>1556869
>make straight cuts 4x8 stock with a circular saw just by clamping a straightedge
>an 8 foot straightedge
heh

[Anonymous No.1561366]

>>1556069
They have table saws because they subconsciously hate their fingers.

[Anonymous No.1561368]

>>1561349
>And no, a circular saw rip fence is not accurate.
That's what track saws are for, much more rigid than a fence.

[Anonymous No.1561388]

>>1561368
Track saws are a one trick pony for sheet goods. They're at the mercy of a reference edge.

[Anonymous No.1561391]

>>1561350
yea, like a screed, or even a steel stud

[Anonymous No.1561397]

>>1559140
>Meaning that two specialized tools that can be used immediately
An immobile table saw is not going to be used immediately for most. You want to cut some shit on site it's not going to be there.

As far as one tool one job, I guess you must have a dedicated drill for every bit, because what chump wastes time changing tooling up? I can't think of a reason I'd need to use a circular saw simultaneously with a table saw, or even moving back and forth a lot. Having one extra toy might be fun for you, but again one extra tool on site is annoying. It's another thing that gets in the way and you have to keep an eye on in case someone tries to steal it.

[Anonymous No.1563782]

>>1556069
bandsaw basically all I use on a day to day for just cutting shit

[Anonymous No.1563896]

>>1556112
Truth here.

>>1556069
Because you can't use a dado blade in a miter saw without special set up skills, and not in a circular saw at all. You can with router but that is generally an idiotic way to set it up especially if you have to do a long one in one large run of plywood near the Middle with only a table saw blade will reach

[Anonymous No.1563897]

>>1556075
years ago, when I was building a gazebo on my mom's property, I had to fabricate a king post to attach the eight main Rafters to and make it octagonal. This post was a Custom Fabrication out of fur from a portable sawmill and was 9 in square. The only way I had to cut the corners off on that and make it an octagon was using a circular saw with a blade at 45 degrees and then cut in each direction as the blade wasn't large enough to reach through in one pass so I had to go from the opposite side. A circular saw is a great tool when you have to use something that's portable and bring the tool to the work and not vice versa

[Anonymous No.1563994]

>>1563896
You can clamp a level for a fence and route in the center of sheet easy peasy. I find it’s much easier to move the tool than it is to move the sheet by yourself wich is why tracks are so popular.

What I want to know is how to safely make thin rips on materials that are to thin to clamp a fence on? Can’t plane it off and it can be to thin to safely do it on a table saw too. I’ve considered trying to make something up with a portable band saw but I’m unsure if it would be a waste of time or not.

[Anonymous No.1564181]

>>1556807
Fuck me, that thing is scary looking

[Anonymous No.1564395]

>>1556102
>Table saw is unnecessary and a pain in the ass to take on jobs.

you can always make a wheeled table for it you dumb fuck

[Anonymous No.1564412]

>>1563897
>out of fur
wat

[Anonymous No.1564923]

>>1556822
Got into a big arguement with FIL when I corrected him in calling a circular saw a Skilsaw.

One is a brand, the other is the general name for the tool.

[Anonymous No.1564926]

>>1564412
Fir, as in Douglas Fir

[Anonymous No.1566310]

>>1556810
cut it with a skilsaw

[Anonymous No.1566317]

>>1563994
Use a push stick on your table saw or pinch the plate of your skillsaw and use your finger as a rip guide.

[Anonymous No.1566545]

>>1556075
Wait I know OP is a tard but you can't cut straight with a skilsaw?? Dont know what a square is?

[Anonymous No.1566676]

>>1564181
It does look like it thirsts for the blood of your leg....