/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1598370]

So boys, those of you in the trade - what made you become a skilled worker?

Do you regret gaining a trade?

Is it paying off?

I left a high paying office job to get back on the tools and become a tradesman again and haven't been happier.

[Anonymous No.1598392]

just kinda happened because im not a faggot that would even consider sitting in an office all day

[Anonymous No.1598397]

>>1598370
Got a history degree and realized when I tried to get a job that I would literally never be hired to teach.

My GPA was too low to seriously consider a good masters program, and I didn't want any more debt.

I also tried doing some office work at college and felt it crushing my soul and it was only like 5 days.

And that's how I got work at an electrical contractor digging ditches

[Anonymous No.1598399]

The only thing I regret in not getting in directly out of HS. The office rat race, College and the crushing debt associated with it is for chumps.

[Anonymous No.1598435]

>26, was unemployed for years
>only prior jobs were restaurants or call centers
>friend told me about union apprenticeship program
>got off my ass & took additude test & did panel interview, passed both (with no nepotism involved, had no "connections" in the union)
>got in at bottom of 1st year apprentice book
>been doing it for 7.5 months now, love it (the classroom work is very tedious though)
I love being able to work with my hands, I love being able to (usually) burp and fart and cuss and spit loogies and not being told "oh anon b polite!", I like not being locked into exactly 30 minutes for lunch and 15 for breaks through some bullshit Sigma Six system that treats people like literal NPCs, I like those rare days where even the super and my foreman let me fuck off on the job/clock (but only because we all know we got everything done ahead of schedule) and I sit there drinking coffee/eating junk food while listening to their boomer glory stories and their advice for making a lifelong career in construction, but mostly I love the meritocracy of it and that satisfying feeling I get when I realize I did something right and knowing my work will be there for some odd number of years to come, even if its something as basic as a run of pipe with some saddles & offsets.

I realize it isnt the same for everyone depending on what area or shop or trade you work in, but that's just my personal take on it after less than a year in.
>pic still related

[Anonymous No.1598474]

>>1598370
>why?
I graduated high school early, but not with outstanding grades or anything, I barely made honor role for a few semesters... so skip college
My dad who was a drywall delivery guy got me a job as a residential laborer and I still worked nights at a builders square (basically home depot of the past).
Well being a laborer sucks and nobody was teaching me shit, all I did was clean.
So I tried doing a few other things, building patio rooms, turns out the guy I worked with was a complete idiot, warehouse where I worked with slow minded folks and I still had to be nice to everyone.
Finally the housing boom was coming to an end and you couldn't just go out and have a new job the next day... I had to move back in with my parents.
I thought about all the trades I had seen and figured the electricians had it the easiest, were always fun and easy to get along with and I didnt want to trash my body anymore. I was kind of wrong some times our job really sucks with bigger gear and bigger wire and all the fucking digging at times.

>regrets?
not really, but I wish I picked something easier and less thinking involved.. it seriously sucks to need to know everyone elses stuff and the level detail and thinking I need to do as a foreman on larger commercial jobs, and as if that doesnt stress me out I gotta be nice to the fucking apprentices who are sometimes more of a problem than they are worth. I'm sure when I get promoted one day some of the new guys will accuse the company of nepotism rather than acknowledging the decades I have had to put in to get there.

>paying off?
yeah I make decent money and I am finding myself in a really good position within my company to put the tools down almost completely by 50.. honestly I still like doing the actual work more than the planning, ordering, coordinating, building workbooks/kits, figuring out what to prefab how and the quantities needed and dealing with constant changes and asshole GC's.

[Anonymous No.1598591]

>>1598370
What do you do anon?

[Anonymous No.1598984]

>>1598435
Where do you live anon

[Anonymous No.1598992]

>>1598370
I fist got knife at age of 5 and started to carving what ever kids of that age make and eventually and after learning the hard way what not to do with knife and how to patch my self after cut, i started to build medieval weapons like trebuchet and crossbow. After testing this crossbow on out long hallway thinking it wont fly far with rubber band bow i found out that it was pretty effective as bolt went trough the drywall in end of the hallway and only the dresser behind the wall prevented it from punching trough the whole wall.
Panic ensues, i fix it with wood glue and white paper peaces and mom didnt find out about it until i actually asked if she really didnt notice my shady fix.
Mix of hilarity and rage ensues, witch after i decided that house is pretty much the most expensive thing one can own as average joe, everyone needs house to live in, so i better learn to fix my fuck ups and upsies, rather than paying someone else to do it. I was right, it has saved me lots of money and actually saved my health as i right after stepping in noticed rental house i was looking to move in was full of toxic mold and i would not known this with out my trade training.

Also got me to get lost of tools over the years so i can do anything from carpentry to some metal work with ease thanks to skill.
I cant do the job due health issues anymore, but as general skill its hella useful and i can do it still in some extent, just cant work amounts that any boss would see reasonable, so with out hurry and boss yelling to be faster i can do it for my self and friends.

[Anonymous No.1599250]

I'm the same age, and probably going in the same direction.
What trade are you in ?

[Anonymous No.1599251]

>>1599250 was for >>1598435

[Anonymous No.1599280]

>>1599250

[Anonymous No.1599347]

>>1598984

I'm a plumbing and gas engineer in London mate, used to be a fashion buyer in the city for a large retail company because I saw money over everything

[Anonymous No.1599370]

I'm a welder and I hate it. It pays go fine I just hate the constant equipment maintenance. If you don't stay on it all your shit gets fucked and your out 50 grand. Sometimes I want to sell everything and go be a janitor in the biggest building in the world, I think I would like the constant work and relatively low responsibility.

[Humble croatian red aerated te(...) No.1599401]

>>1599370
>I'm a welder and I hate it. It pays go fine I just hate the constant equipment maintenance.

is this true for all welding or just some specialist kinds?

>janitor in the biggest building in the world

you would go crazy stuck in one place for years and that is true for even the best job, cant go to the same place every day for years

[Anonymous No.1599552]

>>1599401
>is this true for all welding or just some specialist kinds?
I have met a ton of welders and the vast majority of them are grumpy fucks.

[Anonymous No.1599576]

>>1598984
Other anon you replied to isnt me. I live in west texas/east NM, USA

>>1599250
>>1599251
Inside wireman/elechicken. It's not as "dude so ez lol" as the other trades make it seem (if you work commercial/construction), but there are "fuck off days" where we do easy shit.

[Anonymous No.1599588]

> I’m a specialty cabinet maker.
>It’s nice, pretty layed back Amish shop,
> pay could be better, only 16 an hour.
> I could make more at other facilities but they all drug test
> got into it by being a shop kid who didn’t want to do assembly line work or drive forklift

[Anonymous No.1599591]

>>1599588
16$ an hour would go a lot further if you werent a drug user.

[Anonymous No.1599592]

>>1599591
Yeah but then what would I spend my money on

[Anonymous No.1599593]

>>1599588
>> I could make more at other facilities but they all drug test
Fake piss works wonders. YMMV, but most private labs/urinalysis places don't actually watch you when you piss or have a camera in the bathroom (im assuming because if they did, it opens them up to sexual harassment liability). I used Quick Fix when I landed my apprenticeship. coincidentally I found out everyone else who works in the trades smokes pot (or worse), so I didnt see it as that big of a transgression.

>>1599591
I make less than he does but I've still managed to take care of my paychecks enough to have one (1) comma in my bank account. I'm also a drug user.

[Anonymous No.1599594]

>>1598397
Sad life anon

[Anonymous No.1599597]

>>1598397
Are you just a helper/gofer? Show some inigitive and ask someone if you can learn how to bend pipe or something

[Anonymous No.1599598]

>>1599588
What a horrifying existence.

[Anonymous No.1599603]

>>1598370
I'm very skilled neet bux collector

[Anonymous No.1599609]

>>1599598
I’m very comfy, I live on the Ohio, Indiana Border in a small town, happy as I could be.

[Anonymous No.1599615]

>>1599597
That was 15 years ago. I splice fiber optic cables now and break 100k if OT is good that year.

It feels okay. No where else for career to go but management or running my own company at this point though

[Anonymous No.1599617]

>>1599615
I hear fiber work is really good pay compared to regular commercial sparky work but I'd imagine theres tons more trenching involved

[Anonymous No.1599618]

I was a welder which is fun as fuck, but joined boeings iam union and I fucking want to kill myself everyday. I'm probably going to quit soon so I can start a mobile welding biz. If it doesn't work out then I'll just live off my savings and then take the bullet train out of life

[Anonymous No.1599622]

>>1599617
Trenching is pretty much the same, or even easier because you can stay shallower with the telecom stuff.

Tools suck. A fusion machine is $20k and should be serviced yearly for like $1500 but you can skip that really as l long as you dont fuck it up.

An otdr to check your work is not bad, like $1500 used and that's fine.

If you want to characterize the fiber too or if it's a requirement for your contracts, thats another $20k for a double ended test setup.

[Anonymous No.1599627]

>>1598370
Instead of doing anything useful in my youth I just did drugs instead. Went to college for fine art and haven't paid a dime of my loans. I abandoned my friends and family to drive across the country so I could go to noise shows everyday. Took the first job I found on indeed, my first day I had no idea what my job was, but now I'm 2 years into bein a pro a/v installer.

It's honestly way way better than any other job i've had, using tools and having long concrete tasks that need to be accomplished make the day go by fast, and soon enough I'll be doing a/v programming which is piss easy but all the braindead construction dudes i work with are scared of a computer, so by contrast, I'm a genius now.

I know for a fact that once I'm a programmer theyre gonna be destroying me with long hours on salary, but the goal is eventually to be doing it remotely. All I really wanna do is eat food/cum as much as possible. Hoping this is in my future

[Anonymous No.1599629]

>>1599627
>All I really wanna do is eat food/cum as much as possible. Hoping this is in my future
4chan in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.1599630]

>>1599627
You know if you read this in the right way, it sounds like you want to eat as much cum as possible

>>1599622
Would you recommend I look into getting trained in fiber after I finish my apprenticeship and (hopefully) become a j-man

[Anonymous No.1599632]

>>1599588
Stop doing drugs loser

[Anonymous No.1599638]

>>1599618
Find God anon

[Anonymous No.1599639]

>>1599630
Not particularly.
5g is kind of scaring everyone in the industry.

They will need a push to serve their cell towers, but then even medium sized businesses wont want fiber anymore.

Or it might be enough work that everyone is happy. Theres mo sire thing

You need good eyesight, steady hands, and to be pretty much autistic with your organization, but you also need to be okay opening up someone's mess that looks like garbage

[Anonymous No.1599640]

>>1599639
>You need good eyesight, steady hands, and to be pretty much autistic with your organization, but you also need to be okay opening up someone's mess that looks like garbage
I have -1.25 in one eyes and -.5 in the other, and I already hate opening up j-boxes that have rats nest-tier wiring. Oh welp.

[Anonymous No.1599644]

>>1599640
So a fiber is about a hair. It's a little bit stiffer. You might have like 288 of them that you need to arrange very nicely and keep track of every single one

[Anonymous No.1599660]

>>1599638
No. My life has been fucked from the start. I don't want to be here

[Anonymous No.1599689]

>>1599660
so hurry up and do it instead of whining about it you fucking attention whore

[Anonymous No.1599693]

>>1599689
"No"

Now stop replying to me about it

[Anonymous No.1599696]

What field has the best money to difficulty of work ratio?

[Anonymous No.1599697]

>>1599693
I will stop replying when you are dead, or I get bored, which ever one comes 1st

[Anonymous No.1599698]

>>1599697
Fair enough, what should we talk about to pass the time?

[Anonymous No.1599728]

Machinist here.
>Above average pay, nothing groundbreaking
>complete flexibility in schedule. Can work anywhere from 35 to 60 hours a week. Usually average around 48
>personal freedom, listening to the radio, being on my feet all day
>rarely, if ever bored
>make shit with my bare hands

Meh. I won't get rich doing this, but I'm not counting down the minutes until the end of the day either. That sort of pays for itself... i think.

[Anonymous No.1599730]

>>1598370
I’m a tradesman who turned engineer. Fuck that manual labor shit tbqh. I get to wear comfy shoes, stay warm, and (((work from home))) every now and then.

[Anonymous No.1599764]

>>1598397
FUCK.
That's me right now.
History Licenciature we call it here, absolutely disappointed with life in academia. I'm still studying, but I need money.
No one would give me a job cuz "you have no training".
So I'm learning to weld and some iron working.
Honestly, everyday I wanna go live on my dad's farm and work all day there, totally better than teaching.

[Anonymous No.1599778]

>>1599764
I haven't looked at it at all but have you thought about museums doing curating or research work?

[Anonymous No.1599783]

>>1599730

Meh, I can't knock you for wanting to get off the tools anon, it's not for everyone in terms of longevity ect

I work for a small firm so get a mixture of on the tools jobs and estimation/surveying work so it's a nice mix between the two.

[Anonymous No.1599785]

>>1599764

The only bit of advice I'd give anon is that if you decide to chase a trade simply for work and/or a means to make money you'll burn out quickly as most others do behind desks for big companies.

Find a trade you're passionate about and love working in and seek apprentice/trainee opportunities there, the pay will be shit initially as you'll essentially be a student again however it pays off in the long run.

Welding is a dying trade (at least in the UK & Australia) so you're on the right path, there's a predicted shortfall in tradesman in the welding field in the coming years so if you stick to it now who knows where you'll be in the coming years.

[Anonymous No.1599938]

>>1599638
Tithes will just eat his savings even quicker

[Anonymous No.1599960]

>>1599552
Welders always look like they have everyone around them. Those guys and elevator installers are the grumpiest crews on every job.

[Anonymous No.1599987]

>>1598392

This.

I just wish i could invest and retire before my body does

[Anonymous No.1599989]

>>1598435

Pipefitters union?

[Anonymous No.1599992]

>>1598992
>toxic mold

You scared cucks it's black mold thats dangerous and just because it's vlack and mold doesnt mean its the dangerous kind.

Tell that faggot to knock off 50 bucks a month and spend 2 bucks on bleach ffs

[Anonymous No.1599993]

>>1599370
Pipeliner eh?

[Anonymous No.1599995]

>>1599592
Hookers and materials tp manufacture drugs?

[Anonymous No.1600165]

>>1599989
IBEW

[Anonymous No.1600171]

>>1600165
Carpenter here, would like to let everyone know that IBEW stands for I Block Every Walkway because y'all and your GODDAMN CARTS are always in the way

also, union fistbump my guy

>as for the trade
I did great in hs, went to a great college for less than free, got a sales job right out of school that ended up being a crock of shit. Started as a carpenter as a temp thing to make some money and try a trade and I was instantly hooked. I'm a 4th generation wood tech and absolutely love it. Great money, good benefits, and a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. Journeyman scale here is $39/hr, and goes up from there. I'm a 65% apprentice (you start at 50%) and have done a year of metal studs and sheetrock and I'm almost at a year of heavy concrete formwork. Headed to the layout team soon.

Try it. It's not a waste of your time. If it doesn't fit your fancy, worst case is you get to wear a hard hat, learn some cool skills, new ways to approach problems, and earn some good money.

[Anonymous No.1600193]

I went to a vocational school part time while I was in high school. Spent two years learning to be a diesel mechanic. Got hired at a Mack/Volvo truck dealer in town. It's been almost 4 years, and I'm starting to get sick of trucks, so I'm looking at getting a job in the railroad. But the pay here is good, making $25/hr so I can't complain much.

[Anonymous No.1600194]

>>1598370
best thing i ever did in my life. set me free. if i get fired, i can just put out an ad and start my own business again. total financial security.
also the knowledge and skills i have will save me a lot in the future, i'll never have to pay for my home repairs and i can get them done instantly.

the only thing i regret is not learning it sooner in life. get out of school asap and learn a trade. wish i'd done that when i was 16 instead of pointless "sixth form" and then 24/7 MMORPGs for 2 years.

[Anonymous No.1600247]

>>1598370
>what made you become a skilled worker?
The fact that I wanted to blow my brains out after half a day working in an office
>Do you regret gaining a trade?
Nah
>Is it paying off?
Money's actually not great but it suffices. I'm in a boring phase at work but all in all I love my trade still.

[Anonymous No.1600305]

>>1600194
>>1600247
What trade anons?

[Anonymous No.1600310]

>>1600305
Future lung cancer victim

[Anonymous No.1600377]

>>1598992
i read all of this in a slow mexican voice

[Anonymous No.1600458]

>>1600305
General. specialized in electronics but learnt carpentry, painting/decorating, masonry, basic plumbing and lock fitting by myself.
I've fixed many a cistern, solved mystery leaks, fixed or fitted new taps, painted many a room BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO LEARN IS: all the little things that have no trade name. what fixings for what kind of wall/base/weight. how to carefully adjust things with a hammer and block of wood or lever. how liquids are going to flow. how wood grain behaves. tricks of the trade(s) that people take for granted after a year in the trades.
currently i work in a workshop building electronic machines, where lots of the weird little things i've learnt have come in very useful. like pre-drilling and tapping techniques; you can never have too much lube.

[Anonymous No.1600469]

>>1600171
>IBEW stands for I Block Every Walkway

legit it kind of sucks having to carry around as many parts as we do. It really sucks if you have to do door security or those powered panic bars cause you will get stuck in the main entrance to the building for most of a day pissing everyone off.

[Anonymous No.1600583]

>>1598370
>What made you become a skilled worker?
I dropped out of an engineering program due to shit grades, so instead of changing majors, I joined ABC's electrical program and got a job through them.
>Do you regret gaining a trade?
I regret not doing better in school, but I think I made the right choice given the circumstances. I can always go back to school. Until then, I am making money and gaining really good experience. If I don't change course, I can still see myself doing well and living a happy life until retirement.
>Is it paying off?
I'm a little under my expected salary at this point (4th year apprentice). This is mainly due to working for a fire alarm company for my first 2 years, and then working for a company that treats workers like shit ever since. I am in the process of applying at industrial electrical companies. This is fine though, since school is so cheap, and I started making full time money when my peers were still racking up debt.

[Anonymous No.1600587]

>>1600458

This.

A lot of tradespeople are losing this mentality over the years.

When I was an apprentice, on my first week my mentor (who was as old school as they come) sat down with me for an hour each night and went through why hand tools are shaped, weighted and used the way they are, he spent a good deal of time teaching me how to use a hammer the right way and a way that becomes personal to me - I'm a plumber by trade and a lot of guys in this trade can't use basic tools properly and it shows, I was always told you'll know a true tradesman by the swing of his arm when using a hammer and it has stuck with me since becoming time served.

[Anonymous No.1600668]

>>1600587
>and it has stuck with me since becoming time served.
me again
funny thing is, i work with a time served lad, only one year older than me but has worked in industry longer, BUT his level of skill is lacking, he's on a lower level than me! and i think it has a lot to do with just taking your time and really looking at things and taking in how they really work. he rushes. i take my time to do it right and subsequently know more.
By the way, how would you say to use a hammer the right way?

[Anonymous No.1600763]

Its not the easy way into the upper middle class that some people make it out to be. I've been a plumber for just under a year, making 15 in hour. Big bucks don't start coming in till year 4. I don't regret it yet mostly because I can not join the military and don't want to go to collage. If I have any advice to give it would be DO NOT go to trade school at least until you have worked a few years.

[Anonymous No.1600766]

I got into union ironworking 3 months ago at age of 24.

Worked for a year in a chicken plant fucking off after high school, then a year at a bread factory while I went to community college, then 3 years sailing commercially.

I wish I got into a union MUCH sooner. Every corporate employer will fuck you dry as long as you live to work.
However, I’m not sure if I should get into a different trade. None are as badass as ironworking, but 35 years of moving iron until retirement sounds miserable for the toll it takes on your body, and just always busting ass. Day in and out.

[Anonymous No.1600771]

>>1600766

[Anonymous No.1600774]

>>1600766
Iron working is easy. If you are getting wore out you are either doing it wrong or a bitch. Most likely doing it wrong.

[Anonymous No.1601115]

>>1600774
Tell me more about what you know about punking 30 foot11 bar for 10 hours.

[Anonymous No.1602499]

>>1600766
What part of the country? Lots of chicken plants around here, and they pay worse than the manufacturing plants, which those pay like ass

[Anonymous No.1602501]

>>1601115
Why do you think they call me big ****

[Anonymous No.1602525]

>>1599401
>you would go crazy stuck in one place for years and that is true for even the best job, cant go to the same place every day for years
I've worked at the same plant for 10 years now, I love it here. It has it's bullshit like everywhere else but I like the people here and the work I do. Honestly sometimes it feels more like hanging out than work. I'd say I'd retire from here but the I realized I'm not going to have an opportunity to retire.

[Anonymous No.1602581]

>>1601115
build your own business damnit

why resign yourself to working? that's how you stay poor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7aNCkKF-PQ

[Anonymous No.1603963]

>>1598370
>What made you become a skilled worker?
Worked as a web dev for a year after graduating with a CS degree, was unironically going to ted kaczynski the place so i quit and moved back to my home town. Got a laborer job at a local factory, moved to a different factory then got offered a tool and die maker apprenticeship at the place I'm currently at.

>Do you regret gaining a trade?
Its better than working in an office, its stressful, probably smoking and drinking a lot more than I should be.

>Is it paying off?
The money is decent. Would rather be here than in an office again.

It's one hell of a way to earn a living.

[Anonymous No.1603967]

I'm 30. I just quit my very well paid programming job (not webdev bullshit). After more than 10 years of this shit, I just want to work with my hands.

I'm currently applying for fitter and turner machinist apprenticeships. As long as I can make a living (~$500AUD/week) and I don't work insane hours, it'll be good enough.

[Anonymous No.1604116]

Ventilation fitter.

After no luck becoming certified Automation technician, I started working as a Ventilation fitter because of connections.

[Anonymous No.1604156]

>>1604116
Do you like it?

[Anonymous No.1604200]

>>1598370
I really wish i wasn't stuck in an office job, but the pay is quite alright.

[Anonymous No.1604219]

>>1604116
How often do you feel the need to vent about your job?

[Anonymous No.1604240]

>>1598370

I regret not doing it sooner. Being in my 20s and realizing how little practical stuff I know how to do was an eye opener. I went to college, got a degree and job and hated it, now I'm an electrician and much happier.

[Anonymous No.1604560]

>>1598370
I tried joining a place that would put me into a trade apprenticeship. In order to qualify you need to take something called the TABE test to see where you are.

I passed everything except the math test, by what seems like a few points, and now they're keeping me in the class for 25 hours (for funding they said). All they're doing is teaching me stuff I already know. All I'd need to pass the test again is to study a few things that I didn't understand.
I don't even remember what I didn't understand though.
I just want to get into the training already.

Where can I catch up on my math?

[Anonymous No.1604578]

>>1599629
>Living creatures in a nutshell
ftfy

[Anonymous No.1604711]

>>1604560
There's a 100gb of math books on torrents
That's what I'm using to prep for uni.

[Anonymous No.1604738]

>>1598370

pajeet who dropped out of compsci to do electrician. 2 years in so far and it keeps me content. plus i dont have to look at a screen for work so it makes looking at a screen at home that much more fulfilling.

[Anonymous No.1604775]

>>1598370
I wish my love for machine tools would kick in earlier. Started being an assistance in a toolroom when I was 23. Now working as a die maker 6 years later..

[Anonymous No.1604782]

>>1598370
glad to have a trade but i dont want my body to be broken by the time i retire so im making the switch probably this week too an operations manager. we will see

[Anonymous No.1605428]

I went in to the trades to liberate myself from being a office bitch. After 6 years in electrical and low voltage learned a great deal of awesome skills, but my knees and low back got fucked from it, so I ended up back in the office.

[Anonymous No.1605522]

>be 32 tried roll reversal stayed at home with my kids, now feel like going fucking insane, not even sure if I can learn a worthwhile trade

[Anonymous No.1605546]

>>1605522
This fucking feel. Can’t wait to start my apprenticeship even though I feel pretty stupid from being home with the kids for half a year. Just feel so goddamn stupid and worthless right now.

[Anonymous No.1605558]

>>1605546
My nigga I've been doing it full time since my son was born, 8 years in and feel mentally retarded with a new 1y.o daughter. Fuck I should've rolled the dice and joined the goddamn army

[Anonymous No.1605576]

>>1602501
What?

>>1602581
Tell me more about how I start my own business, while have no experience or start up capital.

Every journeyman Ironworker I’ve worked with makes $80-100k a year.
It’s also the the most bad ass trade, so there’s that.

[Anonymous No.1606371]

>>1605558
literally not too late though it prolly is with kids, 39 is the latest they'll take for most branches

[Anonymous No.1606430]

>>1598399
Fucking this. I have no debts, my college degree while useless allowed me to make good friends and leaving neetdom but 2 years into office hell and I know it will drain my soul. I'll be 30 next year but fuck it, no way I spend the remaining of my life coding shitty websites.

>>1598435
This gives me hopes.