/diy/ - Do It Yourself

[Anonymous No.1770922]

Why don’t people use plaster on interior walls anymore?

[Anonymous No.1770923]

>>1770922
Because dry wall is better in every way

[Anonymous No.1770924]

>>1770923
Poverty stricken brainlet alert.

[Anonymous No.1770928]

>>1770924
he's not wrong tho

[Anonymous No.1770930]

>>1770928
Sheetrock is the poorest, cheapest looking interior wall material possible.

[Anonymous No.1770938]

>>1770922
because it takes skill to do lath and plaster good any retard can slam up rock

[Anonymous No.1770939]

>>1770922
they do. usg diamond veneer is probably the best solution for plaster over rock. no need for lath

[Anonymous No.1770942]

>>1770938
This.

[Anonymous No.1770956]

plaster is more expensive and difficult to work with, also sucks for hanging shit in my experience

[Anonymous No.1771040]

>>1770922
They do, it's still the common method in most parts of Europe unless for things like walls in attics etc.

[Anonymous No.1771046]

>>1770922
Looks like shit

[Anonymous No.1771066]

>>1770938
I bet you slam a lot of sheet rock, and dudes butts. Faggot

[Anonymous No.1771096]

>>1771046
How does it look worse than Sheetrock?

[Anonymous No.1771100]

>>1771046
You can make it look exactly like drywall, very easily. Even you couldn't tell the difference without touching it. You can paint/wallpaper it normally too. You can just add coloring to the mix and go from there if you want.

>>1771066
He's right though. Putting up sheetrock is a step up from gofor on a construction site.

[Anonymous No.1771102]

>>1771100
>. Putting up sheetrock is a step up from gofor

bullshit. hanging sheetrock fast and accurately requires skill and experience. especially in a weird room with slanted ceilings or whatever. Watch a crew of undocumented citizens do it and you will see that I am right and you should be ashame.

[Anonymous No.1771107]

>>1771100
>You can make it look exactly like drywall, very easily

Why would you pay more to make it look like something it's not that could be done for cheaper. Have you even worked construction?

>He's right though. Putting up sheetrock is a step up from gofor on a construction site.

You're the same kind of guy who does a shit drywall job following YouTube videos thinking it's easy, then later gets mad you have to fork over extra cash to get it done right and fix your mistakes. Literally the worse kind of customer I use to deal with.

Personally I love stuco and plaster more so than drywall but you're just talking out of your ass on all fronts.

[Anonymous No.1771113]

>>1771107
>>1771102
>t. Juan Pablo the Sheetrock installer

[Anonymous No.1771115]

>>1771113
Don't you have to go get your drywall repaired Kyle? Repairs will only get more expensive if you switch to plaster.

[Anonymous No.1771127]

>>1771046
>>1771100
huh
drywall was litterally the modern time saving shortcut to achieve an equivalent to plastered finish.

[Anonymous No.1771128]

>>1770938
They take about the same amount of work. Both are pretty easy. Lathe and plaster takes forever to dry, and twice as long to setup and install. It became unpopular and now no one does it for new construction, you can only find premium experts for doing repair.

[Anonymous No.1771130]

>>1771107
m8 thats like a calling a real brick building shit because it doesn't look like a brick effect veneer.

[Anonymous No.1771145]

>>1771130
It is.

[Anonymous No.1771262]

>>1770922
Who nose? quality loses to profit every time. That's why, as soon as technology allows, more complex methods of construction are replaced with some shite that can be thrown up in a day and collapse not soon after, that more might be sold.

[Anonymous No.1771270]

That's pretty much like my house. I plastered the walls with lime because it's an old stone house. If I had used gypsum or cement plaster, I would've had problems with damp and mould.

[Bepis !n/ZnkB9jUw No.1771278]

>>1771270
Jelly of those beams and archways tbqhwy.

Is this in the US? When was it built? House I grew up in was post-war boomer birthplace crap, house I’m in right now is 1990 build in a nicer area with vaulted ceilings and nice as hell in comparison. But my dad lived in this house that was like 1920 and it was trash, all of the bad things about an old house with none of the charm. Only cool thing was the crazy floor plans of some of those old houses, the 3.5 story type shit with an odd room halfway up the stairwell for no reason.

[Anonymous No.1771297]

>>1771278
Rural Ireland. House built around 1890s I think. Pretty comfy. I did a lot of work. Every single wall was covered with drywall when we bought it. I stripped every inch of it out.

[Anonymous No.1771308]

>>1771128
lathe and plaster takes a lot of skill
you have to keep your lath soak in water and get the plaster on right after it goes up its far more work I have done both.
I can rock out an entire house in 2 days lath and plaster would take 5x the time

[Anonymous No.1771319]

>>1770922
because its shit
why dont we use horses for transportation?
why dont we use precious metals and animals for currency?
its 2020. thats why

[Anonymous No.1771320]

>>1771319
lath and plaster is 100x better than drywall

its very good at stopping sounds, insulates, way harder to put holes in and its extremely fire resistant

[Anonymous No.1771353]

>>1771320
Yes all this thin wood will be very fire resistant

[Anonymous No.1771355]

>>1771353
look it up its got a better fire rating than drywall which fails as soon as the paper burns

the plaster keys that form on the backside make it almost impossible for fire to climb the wall

[Anonymous No.1771359]

>>1771270
What do you mean by lime?
My grandmother has walls like this.

[Anonymous No.1771375]

>>1771308
Well so does drywall though. I dont doubt it's faster. You gotta get this big thick layer of plaster to dry at the very least. Putting up all the lathe is probably the same time as putting up the drywall, but you've got so much more mudding to do.

My guess was it's about the same amount of (slightly different) skill, and much more time

[Anonymous No.1771376]

>>1771359
Hydraulic lime. Its what people used before cement. Its what my house is stuck together with basically.

[Anonymous No.1771378]

>>1771375
I have done lath work on old houses
it takes 5x the time than drywall

drywall you literally just put the board on the wall and screw it

lath you have to take your lath wood and soak it for days in water then you nail up hundreds of strips of lath to the walls while keeping everything wet then you mix your base coat which is closer to cement than plaster smash that into the lath with a board. allow the base coat to dry then the real skill comes in putting the plaster on smooth with no waves.


dry wall any mexican can put up thats why it got popular in the first place it takes less than 2 hours to hang an entire room

[Anonymous No.1771381]

>>1771378
>takes less than 2 hours to hang an entire room

Yeah anon the texture work, taping, and mudding just magically happens in seconds after you screw in the last screw.

[Anonymous No.1771382]

>>1770923
What does drywall have to do with it? You can put plaster on any smooth surface.

[Anonymous No.1771383]

>>1771381
4 hours then to do a complete room. Drywall is fucking easy and cheap. thats why people like it. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.1771446]

>>1771378
This. Also drywall is lower skill and gives a flatter wall, which was a big thing back when everyone had wavy plaster walls.

[Anonymous No.1771496]

>>1771319
>why dont we use precious metals for currency?
>he doesn't know

[Anonymous No.1771694]

NA fatass here. Got plaster walls in my 1960's house. I noticed behind the plaster tho it's like some kind of sheetrock it's applied to but it doesn't seem to be shetrock.

[Anonymous No.1771723]

>>1771446
>gives a flatter wall
No. Mud build up on corners and seams is atrocious. Plaster means that a framer doesn't have to worry about shit like crowning studs and is a 1000x preferable for the trim carpenter running case, base, and crown.

[Anonymous No.1771800]

>>1770938

Plaster veneer achevies most of the benefits of lathe + plaster without taking forever to dry. I hear in New England states that veneer plaster is more popular than drywall and about the same price too. Veneer plaster uses special gypsum board and then they do a one or two coat plaster finish on top of that, the most popular product being USG Diamond Plaster. Usually an 1/8 to 3/16 thick for a one coat application. A crew of 5 guys will get a 2500sq ft house done in 3 days without any dust to deal with.

[Anonymous No.1771804]

>>1771319
>why dont we use precious metals and animals for currency?
oh boy...

[Anonymous No.1771821]

>>1771694
Gypsum board probably.

[Anonymous No.1771839]

>>1771694
thats the intermittent step from full sheet rock from lath and plaster. it was a way to skip the lath

[Anonymous No.1771857]

*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.1771899]

>>1770922
>that fake rough-hewn beam

Holy shit talk about low effort. Looks like they let some 12 year old kid go down it hitting it with a hatchet.

[Anonymous No.1772014]

>>1771899
4 real. feels like they charge more to give you less.

[Popperian Croat that can detec(...) No.1772042]

>>1770922
>Why don’t people use plaster on interior walls anymore?

Because "American building science".

>>1771270
>If I had used gypsum or cement plaster, I would've had problems with damp and mould.

Finally! A fellow believer!

[Anonymous No.1772048]

>>1771102
>Undocumented citizens

Onions alert

[Anonymous No.1772057]

>>1770930
go sit in this corner, anon

[Anonymous No.1772285]

>>1771375
>You gotta get this big thick layer of plaster to dry at the very least.

This shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.1772288]

>>1771694
Rock lath. It was the best thing ever for finishing walls. Far easier than wood lath, and a consistent thickness (unlike the brown coat) and much harder than sheetrock.

[Anonymous No.1772290]

>>1771800
Exactly right.

-a Masshole carpenter

[Anonymous No.1772320]

>>1772042
If your house is getting that damp you probably have mold somewhere even if it isnt on the sheetrock. Antiquated building techniques are just that.

[Anonymous No.1772321]

>>1771723
Oh I get it, you're fucking delusional.

[Anonymous No.1772328]

>>1772042
Ikr. Took a ton of work. Stripped off drywall, underneath that was sand/cement plaster, underneath that was the original lime plaster. Stripped it all back to the stone and built up 4 layers of lime plaster and finished with breathable paint.
I'm so fucking glad its done. Was a phenomenally messy job.

[Anonymous No.1772329]

Left the wall by the stairs bare stone and repointed it. Note the original candle nooks, the house predates electricity.

[Anonymous No.1772349]

>>1772329
fuck that's cool

[Anonymous No.1772353]

>>1770923

Correct. I think the only advantage of plaster might be better insulation for hot and cold. But even then that's what quality wall insulation is for.

Fuck plaster.

[Anonymous No.1772354]

>>1772353
plaster has way better sound deadening the keys in the wall cavity capture all the sound

[Anonymous No.1772496]

>>1772349
Thanks bro. Still not quite finished yet.

[Anonymous No.1772498]

>>1770922
Are you retarded? The particles coming from it cause lung cancer

[Anonymous No.1772499]

Am I the only one who thinks plaster looks and feels better than Sheetrock.

[Anonymous No.1772503]

>>1772499
>Am I the only one who thinks plaster looks and feels better than Sheetrock.

No. There are plenty of gaytards who agree with that. But at the end of the day, old sheetrock is more maintainable than old plaster. Old plaster looks like shit due to all the hairline cracks and the disasters where people tried to hang pictures. Old sheetrock looks like shit due to nail and screw pops and the disasters where people tried to hang pictures, but old sheetrock is 100x easier to fix so it tends to be in better shape.

t.housepainter who has seen it all

[Anonymous No.1772515]

>>1772503
>old sheet rock 30 years old
>old plaster 100 years old

Plaster has seen a lot more wear on it.

[Anonymous No.1772533]

>>1772515
you forgot
>100 year old plaster in a building thats had no windows for 10 years
>still good
>10 year old drywall window gets blown out in a storm
>entire house ruined mold everywhere walls caving in

[Anonymous No.1772536]

>>1772498
no they dont

[infographs No.1772690]

>>1770922
because it makes walls more expensive, but plaster is an extra barrier for moisture, bugs, mold and heat and should be used if possible

[Anonymous No.1774765]

>>1771381
tape and texture isn’t difficult at all

[Anonymous No.1774769]

>>1770922
plaster or sheetrock they both suck big time mate
tongue and groove pine board master race

[Anonymous No.1774771]

>>1770922
Because having solid walls is too hard for millenials

[Anonymous No.1774775]

I am confused by this thread, did a lot of plastering with my dad in Ireland over the years. Every single wall here is plastered with gypsum based plaster over drywall, sand and cement for outside or durability on block walls. The stuff pictured in the thread looks like old school lime plastering that fell out of fashion in Ireland around the 1930's but is retained on old houses and sometimes incorporated into new buildings as a traditional touch.
Blows my mind to hear plastic veneers and stuff being used instead.

[Anonymous No.1775592]

>>1774775
Lime is used on old buildings to keep the walls breathable. Not necessary on new builds because they have damp proof courses in walls, damp proof membranes under floors and the external finish is impermeable to water, usually damd/cement render like you said.
t. earlier poster with stone house in Ireland

[Anonymous No.1775648]

>>1770922
Cost.

[Anonymous No.1777380]

>>1771278
why namefag?

[Anonymous No.1777423]

It requires semi-skilled labor vs zero skill and carries a slightly higher material cost.

[Anonymous No.1777424]

>>1770923
It's not. You're retarded if you think the cheapest possible option up to code is ever better than the shit wealthy people will shill out for.

[Anonymous No.1777426]

People don't build their walls with irregular wood or seem to give a fuck about securing their insulation with any kind of lath anymore so its a lot cheaper to give whatever ol' retard a power screwdriver and sheets of poopy butt materials to work with.

[Anonymous No.1777429]

>>1771102
Doing literally anything fast and accurately is a skill on a curve if you're good enough. That doesn't make the barrier to entry skill.

There is no skill require with drywall. That is the whole fucking point of its creation because plaster can be done just as fast with cheaper materials. A literal 10 year old in grade school that can cut construction paper with an exacto knife and staple it to pop-sickle stick has got all that it takes but physical stature.

Getting skilled at hanging drywall is great if you work for yourself or have an hourly supervisor that doesn't check in to give you other people's work when you're standing around scratching your ass.

It takes all of two days to get up to a hanging pace that will prevent newbies from being fired. Some skill.

[Anonymous No.1777430]

>>1771127
It was a labor cost cutting measure to enable any ol' retard to get the job done good enough.

[Anonymous No.1777531]

>>1770922
Expensive, hard to work with, labor is more expensive, repairs are a pain in the ass, takes much more time to do it and make it look good, plumbing and electrical jobs are a nightmare. It's still used, but mostly in expensive houses or restorations.

[Anonymous No.1778445]

>>1777424
>implying wealthy people know shit about building houses

why do you think they have other people do it

[Anonymous No.1779452]

>>1777424
>its costs more therefore its better
i bet you use apple products

[Anonymous No.1779470]

>>1778445
Honestly this. Say some shit about better insulation, acoustic qualities and resell value and you've got a mark. Well done plaster is really pleasing to the eye, can't knock it even if it's not the most functional stuff to use. Similar thing with asphalt for pavement compared to concrete.

[Anonymous No.1779632]

>>1770922
Did the dipshits in that picture really bolt down a bunch of shitty mantel beams all over their roof? Looks like shit

[Anonymous No.1779646]

Plaster is way better sound proofing. So glad the bedroom in our 1920s craftsman hasn't been redone. Had a ice dam over that closet tho. Tried to repair with plaster of paris. Wai too hard for my skill set. Ended up using 80 min set joint compound. Worked out great, stuck to he lathe good and sanded easy .

[Anonymous No.1779651]

>>1779646
What the fuck is a craftsman? Sounds like some handyman diy shite.

[Anonymous No.1779659]

>>1770923
Drywall ads zero strength to the structure and echos like a nigger in an alley.

[Anonymous No.1779660]

>>1771127
Drywall is interior OSB. Kikes materials for kikes profits.

[Anonymous No.1779661]

>>1779651
Its a gay house style from like steampower times.

[Anonymous No.1779662]

>>1771270

>>1771359
>What do you mean by lime?
Lime was used before cement, if you're house is build with lime you should continue using lime.

lime is way softer than concrete which makes it possible to remove without damaging the bricks etc. someone remodeling you're house in 2200 will thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZkKW3yEwAA
here a video of someone making lime. unlike a bag of cement that gets hard after a year you can leave a tub lime in you're basement for years (it gets better the longer it sits) always something to make repairs.

[Anonymous No.1779663]

>>1770922
here in Germany you regularly see pic related.
the plaster factory brings you a tank of plaster and a pump and you can spray it on the walls in no time.

[Anonymous No.1781394]

>>1770922
uhhhhh
>England resident

[Anonymous No.1781565]

>>1771694
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1CACkgUJcU

[Anonymous No.1781862]

>>1771297
>I did a lot of work. Every single wall was covered with drywall when we bought it. I stripped every inch of it out.
You're doing God's work, Anon.

[Anonymous No.1781983]

>>1779651
its an american style of house. i think its the urban version of the rural ranch style.

[Anonymous No.1782008]

>>1779651
>>1781983
The 'craftsman' style, also called 'arts and crafts', was popular in the States around the turn of the last century. IIRC it started in Britan and spread to Europe and the US from there. The US version of it was distinct from the old country. It remained popular in the US until the 30s or so and has remained influential thereafter. It used wood, brick, and stone heavily. Quite beautiful when done right.