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Which authors are /fa/?

>> No.9694210

>inb4 edgy 18 year olds say Camus.

>> No.9694216

>>9694203
>Hot-Guys-Reading-Instagram.jpg

>> No.9694217

Emily Brontë
Herman Hesse
Jean Paul Sartre
Richard Brautigan

>> No.9694220

>>9694203
Percy Walker

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>>9694217

>> No.9694224

>>9694203
gibson

>> No.9694227

>>9694216
That Instagram is incredibly cancerous. Two incredibly flamboyant gay men run it. You should read their captions.

>> No.9694230

>>9694203

Bukowski
Nietzsche
Marx

Sure feels good to be smarter than all of you

>> No.9694244

>Opposite of /fa/
Bukowski
Murakami

>Not /fa/
Vonnegut
Camus
DFW
Pynchon

>effay
Ernst Junger
Carson McCullers
E.M. Cioran
Stoics

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Caring about your looks goes against the literary lifestyle.

>> No.9694255

What should someone who hasn't read a book since high school start with?

>> No.9694258

>>9694244
>E.M. Cioran
Topkek

>> No.9694262

>>9694255
Whatever catches your interest. Or take a look at /lit/'s sticky for a starter kit if you have no idea at all.

>> No.9694264

>>9694244
The Stoics are the definition of literature for 17 year old libertarian kids who join MBTI-INTJ groups. Junger and Cioran are not far from that, soon you'll be telling us that Evola was cool

McCullers is based, DFW as shit as he was is probably very /fa/ to read

>> No.9694265

>>9694255
Just never go to /lit/. They're all dullards that don't read. They can hardly discuss poetry, which is due to their inability to engage in abstraction.

>> No.9694267

>>9694230
>>>/r/eddit

>> No.9694269

>>9694255
Graham Greene short stories

>> No.9694276

I haven't read a book in 3 years

>> No.9694279

>>9694255
Outside of literature and fashion, what are you interested in? You don't have to mention highly developed hobbies, just give us an idea of your tastes in other medium and if you want to be as vague as "I like Fargo-y scenarios" do it

>> No.9694283

>tfw read quite a bit, but not nearly enough to live the literary lifestyle

fuck sakes.

>> No.9694288

>>9694283
The literary lifestyle in America died with the Beats and good-riddence.

>> No.9694290

>>9694210
Camus is high school required reading core. almost as bad as Fitzgerald

>> No.9694291

>>9694283
you also have to write to live the literary lifestyle

>> No.9694297

>>9694265

/lit/ is, by far, the best board on 4chan.

>> No.9694298

>>9694255
Do you want to read crime/mystery? Poetry? Sci-Fi? Literary fiction? There are so many options available to you, that you need to figure out what you're slightly interested in then pursue that avenue.

>> No.9694302

>>9694279
i'm kind of in a slack right now where I don't do much at all, but I've started watching a lot of movies lately and I really liked Donnie Darko, if that could help you.

>> No.9694304

>>9694288
>being American
lel, please...

>>9694291
Oh, I give up then.

>> No.9694305

>>9694297
Nope. It is decent. But to call it the best is specious.

>> No.9694308

>>9694216
kek

>> No.9694313

>>9694290
Did you misunderstand the post or something

>> No.9694315

Camus
Dostoevsky
Lovecraft
Asimov
Chekhov
Nietzsche
Orwell

lots more

>> No.9694320

>>9694210
>>9694290
>it's popular so it's bad
You realize that his books are considered classics for a reason, right? Camus is objectively a good author.

>> No.9694326

>>9694315
Lol.

>> No.9694329

>>9694320
Topkek. Don't engage with those idiots. They would say Thomas Mann is bad because of how popular he is.

>> No.9694334

>>9694320
Discussion about literature on any board except for /lit/ can be boiled down to "everything you like is pleb shit, everything I like is patrician". Same with music, film etc. outside of their respective boards.

>> No.9694335

>>9694255
Classic literary fiction

>> No.9694337

>>9694326
Dostoevsky and Chekhov are great writers. I don't see why you said 'lol'.

>> No.9694340

>>9694315
Reading Nietzsche in public is the equivalent of unironically wearing a fedora, same with 1984/Animal Farm (down & out/essays are more acceptable).

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>>9694320
>he puts worth in the western canon

>> No.9694346

>>9694334
>Discussion about literature on any board except for /lit/ can be boiled down to "everything you like is pleb shit, everything I like is patrician".
That is /lit/, actually. Stop deluding yourself into thinking they genuinely discuss literature there.

>> No.9694349

>>9694346
Sure they do. Every board has their pretentious shitposters, but a lot of people on /lit/ actually know their shit.

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>>9694255
infinite jest by thomas pynchon

>> No.9694354

>>9694349
Lit knows their shit in the same way fa or mu does.
A perpetual circle jerk of trends encouraged by the board until it falls out of favour and something else takes over that actually has no worth outside the board itself.

>> No.9694357

>>9694354
you're giving /mu/ way too much credit there

>> No.9694362

>>9694349
>a lot of people on /lit/ actually know their shit.
I wish this were true. They are too scared to leave their self-approved /lit/-core that they will never escape their circle jerk. It's impossible. Plus, their philosophy discussions are unconvincing and laughable. Then again: I am getting my phd in literature, so I tend to avoid that place because it is genuinely bad.

>> No.9694370

>>9694362
No, just regular fries please.

>> No.9694375

/fa/ Marxism:
>Althusser
>Plekhanov
>Kautsky
>Gorky
>Badiou
>Derrida
>Negri
>Pannekoek
>Rosa
>Connolly
>Hilferding
>Eagleton
>Jameson
>Gramsci
>Wolff
>Foucault
>Habermas
>Marcuse
>Benjamin
>Fromm
>Lukács
>Zizek
>Mao ironically
>any Lacanian
>Kalecki if you don't get carried away like a stupid undergrad

non-/fa/ Marxism:
>Deutscher
>Hobsbawm
>Mattick
>Thompson
>Grossman
>Avakian
>West
>P. Newton
>Elster
>Cliff
>Trotsky
>Korsch
>Guevara
>Roy
>Hitchens
>any Maoist who isn't French

The definition of /fa/
>Walter Benjamin
>Yukio Mishima
>Anne Sexton
>obscure Nietzsche in German

The complete opposite of /fa/
>Harold Bloom
>Thomas Sowell
>Friedrich Hayek
>Richard Dawkins
>any MSNBC type journalist
>popular Nietzsche, translated

>> No.9694377

For a bunch of twats who think you're better than a normal person you seem pretty scared to break out of what's generally acknowledged to be "good literature".
Same goes for lit.

>> No.9694389

>>9694375
Your /fa/ Marxism is literally what everyone reads that happens to be a Marxist.

>Anne sexton
Don't make me laugh

Harold bloom is more /fa/ than that cunt sexton

>> No.9694399

>>9694377
>think you're better than a normal person
that describes max 2 people on /fa/

>> No.9694403

>>9694203
I like Mishima a lot. He was a really interesting guy.

I also like Oscar Wilde a lot, while he is probably not /fa/, has some worthwhile aesthetic thoughts/opinions. Plus the dandyism thing which is related to fashion. I like reading plays a lot so that also has something to do with it.

Otherwise I am interested in existentialism and absurdism.

Don't listen to what books/authors are /fa/, just take a recommendation from someone who knows you well and try it out, then continue to look into similar things. Reading should be fun!

>> No.9694404

>>9694375
>>Yukio Mishima
Fuck yeah

>> No.9694409

>>9694389
Sure he is, what could possibly be more /fa/ than old jews complaining about political correctness.

>> No.9694414

>>9694409
lol If that's the only thing you know Bloom for, then that is quite sad. Great taste in literature. Incredibly intelligent. His theories on aesthetics and poetry are great. His overall intellectualizing writers is insightful.

>> No.9694419

>>9694403
>Oscar Wilde
>probably not /fa/

fucking leave

>> No.9694429

I'm sure a lot of know-nothings on this board will try to shit on me for saying Aleister Crowley, and say it's fedora-tier, but have any of you actually read about his life? Contextually speaking; for the time, his lifestyle was /fa/ as fuck

>> No.9694435

>>9694262
>Or take a look at /lit/'s sticky for a starter kit if you have no idea at all.
This is a dangerous proposition. /lit/'s not too great at the whole reading thing.

>> No.9694440

>>9694297
They're certainly the best at never discussing their topic.

>> No.9694451

>>9694349
>a lot of people on /lit/ actually know their shit
Maybe, but as with /fa/, the conversation rarely rises above "everything you like is pleb shit..."

>> No.9694465

>>9694216
Aw beat me to it

A qt I've been flowing with told me she wanted to take a photo of me when she caught me reading in the train and submit it to that page.

Didn't know it was actually a thing back then, so I just laughed in ignorance.

>> No.9694466

>>9694370
>No, just regular fries please.
Getting a PhD will land him an academy job. Well, several actually, since he'll be working as an adjunct across two or three institutions. He'll have the same income as a burger flipper, at least.

>> No.9694471

George R. R. Mertins is pretty good.

>> No.9694479

>>9694203
Miroslav Krleža
Jean Paul Sartre
Albert Camus
Dostoyevsky

>> No.9694494

L. Ron Hubbard.

>> No.9694496

>>9694494
Parsons was better.

>> No.9694501

>>9694471
Honestly I prefer someone to say what they genuinely enjoy reading rather than what they think they ought to say.
Might not be fa but it's less faux-intellectual.

>> No.9694517

Kafka is the only acceptable answer

>> No.9694523

>>9694517
I heard the Trial is p messed up in a good way

>> No.9694527

>>9694517
What would you recommend?
I've only read The Metamorphosis as it was mandatory.

>> No.9694534

>>9694375
is obscure german nietzsche still /fa/ if i'm actually a native speaker?

>> No.9694538

>>9694517
Not really. There are much better writers than Kafka. His letters are soupy and romanticized by vapid tumblr girls.

>> No.9694546

>>9694203
Yukio Mishima, with the exception of being a manlet

>> No.9694561

>>9694501
It's very characteristic of late-capitalist Ideology to think a "honest" appreciation of mass-cult garbage is in its own way more authentic than anything that could be described as assuming an intellectual and critical stance on culture and society.

>> No.9694567

>>9694561
>late-capitalist Ideology
Stopped reading right there. As soon as you said that I knew you were full of shit.

>> No.9694571

>>9694375
Shit, better burn my Tom 'based' Sowell & Hayek stuff.

>> No.9694574

>>9694466
The amount of people earning PhDs in a given year is several times larger than the amount of academic job openings.

>> No.9694578

>>9694534
Is there anything more /fa/ than being a dirty, beer-loving, sausage-eating, soccer-watching, debt-paying, Europe-enslaving, Ordnung-minded, shit-smelling, oral sex on chicks-performing Kraut?

>> No.9694579

>>9694561
Anything in a position to have been published is intended to have some level of wide and profit making appeal, no matter how esoteric or intellectual you might think it is.
Unless you're purely reading self published works it's not really a leg to stand on m8.

>> No.9694583

>>9694561
can't tell if this is a troll but what do you think authentic means

>> No.9694588

>>9694567
Because as we all know, a prevailing social arrangement does not produce the culture, values and social structures that work on its favor. You're better off "genuinely enjoying" Game of Thrones, indeed.

>> No.9694591

>>9694574
Eh, you're probably correct. But I fortunately got accepted into a great program. Unfortunately, I am overworked and mentally exhausted. I'm still trying to justify my debilitating mental -- and physical -- health in order to consolidate my potential academic job. If I play my cards right, then I should remain at the same Uni once I finish my phd.

>> No.9694594

>>9694561
There are no honest appreciations. Remember Baudriallard. In the era of the sign, we crave an authenticity that may have never even existed. Liking Martin, liking the Stoics, liking Foucault or hooks or Bloom or Morrison or Rowling or whatever comes down to how we're situated within mass culture. Brass tacks, we could all stand to take our accumulation of cultural artifacts a bit less seriously.

>> No.9694596

>>9694591
Don't worry friend. I have faith in you.

>> No.9694597

>>9694588
Sorry, I read writers like Arno Schmidt, Walser, and Pessoa. I just think you're dull and uninteresting.

>> No.9694605

>>9694574
This is a product of bloated university administrations, that long ago recognized they would have to do away with tenured positions if they were going to make any money with their enterprise. However, universities need more tenured faculty, not more slave labor and presidents, provosts, deans, and assistants to presidents and provosts and deans making six figures or more.

>> No.9694606

>>9694597
Sure thing.

>> No.9694608

>>9694606
Yup.

>> No.9694609

Tolkien, simply because he´s one of the few people who completely changed an artform. Not to mention the fact that he is the best author.

Also, fuck the guy who said Kafka, Kafka absolute shit

>> No.9694612

>>9694609
ok this is def bait

>> No.9694614

>>9694210
More like >inb4 retarded teenagers say John Green is effay

>> No.9694615

>William Faulkner
>Flannery O'Connor
>James Joyce
>Lewis Carroll
>Junot Diaz
>Toni Morrison
>Roxane Gay
>AI
>Jhumpa Lahiri

>> No.9694631

>>9694203
Anne Frank :^)

>> No.9694632

>>9694612

Not really. Have you even read "Die Verwandlung"? Kafka is exactly the author that pseudointelectual faggots read (or pretend to read) to look cultured. I can´t really think of many worse stories...maybe "Nathan the Wise", but other then that? Nah.

And Tolkien is literally god-tier, the only people who dislike him are those idiots who take themselves to seriously to read fantasy.

>> No.9694643

>>9694612
Not the guy who said it but ignoring tolkiens essay/commentary on Beowulf and thinking that was bait is just silly.

>> No.9694647

>>9694632
It's funny, the exact same people that deride fantasy are the same people that say they read Borges, when, in fact, Borges is a fantasy writer. Then the same people deride Scifi, but then claim to read Calvino when Calvino wrote a scifi book.

>> No.9694659

>>9694203
christ you cunts are predictable

>/fa/ - what i like
>not /fa/ - what i don't like

can people name something they don't like but recognize as /fa/ (whatever this means to you)

>> No.9694662

>>9694643
Not only Beowolf, but pretty much everything academic that he wrote.

>>9694647
Yeah, I really don´t get the whole prejudice against Fantasy or Sci-Fi. I mean, yeah, you got the "Dragons and scandily-clad Women on the cover" kind of Fantasy, but many, many of the best masterworks in literature are fantastic literature.
And yeah, Borges is pretty great, too, I just recently re-read the Book of Fantasy.

>> No.9694668

>>9694659
I honestly don't care what people read and can explain to me why they enjoy that writer/book. Sure, I wish more people read Thomas Mann, Borges, and poetry, but Roberto Bolano expressed distaste with people that force people to read certain books. I mean: Bolano loved Scifi, fantasy, and crime/mystery novels, but he is -- like Borges -- one of the best writers to ever exist.

>> No.9694674

>>9694668
best read writers*

>> No.9694675

>>9694662
>Not only Beowolf, but pretty much everything academic that he wrote.

Not disputing that! I've just only read his Beowulf stuff and didn't want to pretend to know more than I do.

>> No.9694690

>>9694675
Ah, okay - I got that wrong, sorry, man.
It´s just that I tend to feel like Tolkien gets way, way to few appreciation.

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The supreme.

>> No.9694904

>>9694631
I loooooooveee yoouuuu Jeeeesssssusssss C'hhrrrissssssttt

>> No.9694921

>>9694203
Newfag here, what the fuck does that even mean? What is fashionable to be seen reading, or what fits with the general grain on this board? Either of the last two motivations seem dumb to me, because if you don't give a shit about the content you will just fucking read passively while your mind drifts. You lose all the fucking content and bore yourself in both cases.

To me the only three starting points worth considering is: What do I want to read if I want [insert experience]? What do I want understand better? How do I wish to be shaped by the book?

>> No.9694936

>>9694340
Ill read whatever I want to in public, fuck off you insecure fuccboi beta.

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Oh my god stop it, it's like /lit/ in here, will throw up soon

Mfw I'm in humanities, 40% of it is literature (and french) and I hate it

>> No.9695348

>>9694326
Get over yourself

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>>9695319
Sup

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>>9695362
Salut

>> No.9695631

>>9694255
the god delusion by d.s. ornstein

>> No.9695642

>>9694375
>listing marxist authors
Die in a fire you fucking commie cunt.

>> No.9695746

>>9694578
Damn, I wish I was German

>> No.9695764

Hemingway

>> No.9695766

>>9694320
get fucked edgelord
camus is entry tier existentialism for 'muh philosophy' cunts
beckett is god of that shit

>> No.9695784

>>9694203
Anyone mentioned Cormac McCarthy?

Also any author who fucks about with syntax a lot can probably be considered /fa/

>> No.9695803

foster wallace

>> No.9695818
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9695818

it's carver you fucking idiots

>> No.9695823

Hideo Kojima

>> No.9695825

>>9695766
>Beckett is god of that shit
Hardly.

>> No.9695845

Hemingway obv are you fucking kidding

>> No.9695875

>>9694375
kill yourself commie

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who reading sam bellow here

>> No.9696335

>>9694264
>17 year old libertarian kids who join MBTI-INTJ groups
Thanks for the new insult

>> No.9696372

Dante Alighieri is the only true answer you fucking plebes

>> No.9696576

>>9695766
But Camus was an absurdist.

>> No.9696589

>>9694203
The beat generation

>> No.9696605

>>9694375
>any maoist who isn;t french

i like u anon

>> No.9696614

>>9694230
bait

>> No.9696621

>>9694255
If you want a real answer, good entertaining easy to read entry level modern authors with short and deep novels that will make you seem/feel cool are:

Vonnegut
Stephen Crane
Achebe
Fitzgerald
Hemingway (duh)
Joyce
James Baldwin
Woolf
Dreiser
Claude Mckay
Burroughs
Orwell
Dos Passos

Btw they are entry level for a reason

>> No.9696631

>>9694340
what

how is reading 1984 or animal farm not okay

are you socially retarded or something?

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9696633

>>9695766
>>9694320
>>9694290
>>9694210

whatever you think about his literature there is no denying that camus was effay as fuck

>> No.9696634

>>9694527
i personally think either Amerika or his complete stories (you can find a free copy of the complete stories on bookzz ) are good starting points
very easy to get into in my opinion
then again i've oly re read half of notes from the underground and amerika this year so take my opinions on literature with a grain of salt

>> No.9696639

>>9696621
>joyce
>entry level

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>>9696633

same with kafka

with those cheekbones he almost looks male muddle tier

>> No.9696646

poetry is fa

especially robert frost, maya angelou, and poe

>> No.9696652

>>9696634
>>9694527

kafka's novels are subpar imo

his style of writing works best in a short story/novella format. Pick up a collection of those preferably one that includes his 'Hunger Artist' collection and even better his collection of aphorisms.

>> No.9696655

>>9696646
neruda is gr8

reading neruda in a cafe in chile is even better

>> No.9696660

>>9696652
oooooooooo yeah i totally overlooked his aphorisms
but yeah iirc the complete stories include short stories? could be wrong there

>> No.9698279

>>9696589
I fucking hate hippies.