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14944150 No.14944150 [Reply] [Original]

>Dude just grow a beard lmao
>By the way did you watch Rick and Morty last night?

>> No.14944290

Imagine having facial hair in 2020

>> No.14944296

>>14944150
>>14944290
beardlet cope is cosmic energy

>> No.14944308

Anyone that has a long beard = has no chin

>> No.14944320

>>14944296
go watch Rick and Morty

>> No.14944328

>>14944308
they do now!

>> No.14944354

>>14944320
nice strawman that lets you cope better

>> No.14944375

>>14944150
What's with all the seething resentment from beardlets on this board lately? There's still a thread up from a couple of days ago which was the most obvious false flag, you insecure betas are actually obsessed at this point lmao

>> No.14944390

>>14944290
This.
A beard is not a personality trait.
It's annoying that as soon as someone grows a beard, everything revolves around the fact they have a beard.
I dunno why the fuck anyone would want to look like every other hipster cunt out there.

>> No.14944416

>>14944390
How many people do you know who are actually like this though? Protip: screenshots of reddit don't count as examples of people you know. Sounds to me like you're quite young so people your age having a beard becomes a big deal for them, but for most well-adjusted adults its just another look that they don't take too seriously.

>> No.14944423

>>14944375
>>14944354

Yes the people who look good clean shaven are coping. Stop trying to hide your weakass jaw.

>> No.14944425

>>14944150
Should I shave? Been thinking about it for a while now. I've had a beard for like 5 years now. It's an actual good beard though, not like the pic

>> No.14944427

>>14944390
i remember when you said the same hing about weed.

bitching about trivialities is not a personality trait.

>> No.14944429

>>14944416
I'm 33 in a couple of weeks.
Most guys I know look like this, and most men in my town in general.
It would be quicker for me to list the people that DIDN'T look the same.

>> No.14944430

>>14944425
>Good beard

Shave.

>> No.14944433

>>14944427
Considering I smoked weed for most of my life until recently, I would highly doubt I said anything close to that.

>> No.14944439

>>14944423
If it isn't a cope, then why else would they make so many threads about beards? You still haven't disputed this incredibly obvious point.

>> No.14944440

>>14944429
>Most guys I know look like this, and most men in my town in general
How does that make it a "personality trait", though? I didn't ask you how many men with beards you know, I asked you how many people define their entire identity around it.

>> No.14944443

>>14944423
You're on /fa/. No one looks good here.

>> No.14944444

>>14944425
post pic, and no dont shave it

>> No.14944445

>>14944439
We're giving you beardbois a reality check. You literally cannot be effay with a beard.

>> No.14944453

>>14944440
Not that anon, but "beard culture" guys like to talk about beards, yours, theirs, that dude's over there, that lady's, etc. However, these guys are rare nowadays. Most people with beards barely think about them.

>> No.14944456

>>14944445
Who wants to be /fa/?

>> No.14944468

>>14944445
lmao because a random /fa/ggot's opinion is going to be the pinnacle of aesthetic taste, right? Judging by the travesty that is the WAYWT threads these days I have no reason to think you or anyone on this board knows what they're talking about.

Also, if it was a reality check you'd at least say something new or different this time around, but all I'm hearing is the same tired, old, insubstantial arguments that are really just targetting the soiboi stereotype and beard culture rather than beards specifically.

>> No.14944473

>>14944444
nice quints

>> No.14944493
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>>14944444
It's not kempt rn, and I'm in my pj's still. It could be combed obvi, but I figure it's best to show it at its worst in this context. Hair is messy too lol

>> No.14944510

>>14944493
That looks luscious and soft anon, good job. Definitely keep it. I think most of the posters who shit on beards don't really appreciate just how good they look with long hair, especially if everything is well groomed and conditioned.

>> No.14944514

>>14944510
Thank you!

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>>14944150

>> No.14944554

>>14944440
Oh just shut the fuck up.
Face the facts that you're just trying to justify your beard and can't take the fact that you look like everyone else.

>> No.14944582

>>14944554
>Oh just shut the fuck up
Avoiding the question, love it. The exasperated cry of the beardlet when confronted with a question he's too stupid to answer in any meaningful capacity. Also how silly, the idea that having a beard means you look like "everyone else" when there are demonstrably more people without beards than with...

Look, I'll even be real with you– my beard is a full-on cope for my jaw, but I don't have any problems admitting that because I get far more compliments and feminine attention with the beard than without, so I'm gonna go with what is empirically successful on the ground rather than what some speccy little child in cyberspace tells me is hot or not.

>> No.14944619

>>14944468
Its your fault you keep falling for these bait threads

>> No.14944634

>>14944468
Because that's what we are doing
Nobody cares if you grow a beard, but if you act like a Redditor about it then don't act surprised if people start striking back

>> No.14944661

>>14944619
>crippling insecurity and childish resentment masquerading as low quality bait
Oh man, they really got me good, didn't they!

>>14944634
>Nobody cares if you grow a beard
If that was actually the case, we wouldn't be having an anti-beard thread literally every other day, and yet here we are.

>> No.14944671

>>14944661
What do you expect after like a decade of "Beardbros" shitting on clean Shaven guys on reddit?

>> No.14944682

>>14944671
I guess I had hoped that the clean shaven redditors weren't going to be such pussies as to migrate to /fa/ just because they got bullied by a bunch of bearded chads, but looks like I set my expectations too high.

>> No.14945092

>>14944671
I never heard a single thing about "beard culture" and "le manly beard stuff" outside of /fa/
Is there a group of tattooed bearded chads tormenting /fa/ users specifically or something?

>> No.14945098

>>14945092
neck beard culture ensures that a neck beard will always respond to any anti neck beard references

>> No.14945107

>old beardlet thread barely gone
>new one immediately up
not very subtle.
Both the bearded jawlets and faggoty beardlets can keep making these threads, wont change the fact that the mustache is the superior facial hair.
Its all in the ability to grow a beard, not in the beard itself.

>> No.14945120

>>14945107
>tfw have excellent beard growth but small chin so mustache just makes me look like a pedophile
Fucking sucks.

>> No.14945187

>>14944682
>Bearded chads
Lmao. Keep telling yourself that.

>> No.14945192
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14945192

Can we just establish that beard is cope of the chinlets?

Unless you're an actual warrior or a dirty hippie.

>> No.14945328

>ITT: fags with no father figure who never learned to shave

>> No.14945333

>>14945192
>>14945107
See focusing on the chinlet cope thing above all makes the most sense but have you noticed the guy that keeps posting these threads really doesn't do it that much?
So I reckon this guy is upset that he has poor beard growth, he's doing some fox and the grapes shit.
He may or may not be a chinlet himself since he avoids focusing on it.

>> No.14945633

>>14944439
Because beards look bad lol. Beards look good on no man. The only facial hair that looks good is stubble

>> No.14945666

>>14944493
Is that a Hooters shirt?

>> No.14945671

>>14945633
Beards are like baldness. You get minus charisma points with most women but there's a few where you get plus charisma points.

>> No.14945852

>>14945666
It is. I had just woken up lol

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Hit to keep or nah

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14945868

>>14945864
Or ah

>> No.14945886

>>14945864
Florida man tier

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>>14945671
>>14945633
>>14945328
>>14945187
Imagine being this fragile over others ability to grow and shape themselves actual chins
Beardlet cope is actual cosmic energy, I come here to feed my ego and see how some of you are upset about it, OP really could be a bearded dude feeding himself on the butthurt of more genderly ambigous ppl

>> No.14946260

I used to rock a beard for a year. People told me it looked very good on me, had a naturally red color one which was interesting, they asked if they could touch it. Its really a good cope IMO if you can grow a good one

I ended up cutting it off and now Im clean shaven. Im 22 and I felt like a beard made me older, not necessarily in a bad way, but yeah, and that it would narrow the styles that would fit me.I prefer the youthful look.

>> No.14946377

>>14945633
What do you prefer in your ass, cut or uncut dicks? What you're essentially saying is that man in his natural, ungroomed state doesn't look good and requires regular and obsessive maintenance. Sounds pretty effeminate to me, this is the opinion of a castrated twink who has been taught to hate his hair growth

>> No.14946403

>>14946377
Do you also have long hair? If no, your argoment is invalid

>> No.14946434
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>>14944150
i keep some of my shitty pube beard to cover my acne scars. i have a really strong jaw too...

>> No.14946447

>>14946377
so you don't use soap, toothpaste, or get haircuts right, "perfectly natural state" faggot? your beard is the only sense of masculinity you can achieve, how does it feel

>> No.14946485

>>14946403
aye I do

>>14946447
I didn't say you're not allowed to take care of yourself, I was merely pointing out that claiming absolutely no one looks good with a beard is just another form of male self-hatred perpetuated by the effeminate trend in high fashion. I don't care about exhibiting a "sense of masculinity" but what bothers me is brainwashed zoomers who think ALL beards look bad because some genderslime fashionista told them to reject and ridicule all binaries, including something as timeless as facial hair.

>> No.14946529

>>14946485
Acknowledging that the male hair pattern is grotesque doesn't make someone a twink you hipster faggot. Also, beards are non-hygenic. Do you really think microscopic food particles aren't getting stuck in that mop of hair around your mouth?

>> No.14946597

>>14946529
>beards are non-hygenic. Do you really think microscopic food particles aren't getting stuck in that mop of hair around your mouth?
I hate to retread the cut/uncut argument again but honestly, this shouldn't a problem unless you're an unhygienic person in general and don't eat like an animal. Like I said before, if you can take care of yourself then the majority of the problems you're conjuring up don't actually exist.

>male hair pattern is grotesque
Can't tell whether you hate yourself because you're speaking from experience or inadequacy, but either way, I feel sorry for you.

>> No.14946656

>>14946162
Wow tattoos and a beard. Keep replying to this thread so everyone can see how inflated the ego of the typical soibeard is.

>> No.14946695

>>14944150
Is a short stubble like beard /fa/

>> No.14946713

>>14946656
Wait arent bearded people insecure?

>> No.14946760

>>14946713
Yes the underlying insecurity of their weak jaw causes them to grow beards to hide it. The problem is when these guys start building their entire idea of masculinity from their beard. But since there's literally nothing underneath the hair, it's just one big cope.

>> No.14946849

>>14946760
How do you know all that?

>> No.14946861
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>>14944296
>beardlet cope

>> No.14947094

Stubble is superior. Shows you have a jaw but also you're not a low t bitch who can't grow facial hair

>> No.14947149

>>14945192
Most 'actual warriors' have a goatee at maximum because you have to be able to fit a gas mask.

>> No.14947933

>>14946861
wait is this post pro or anti beard?

>> No.14947947
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>> No.14947950

>>14947947
need an eyebrow piercing

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14947958

>>14947947
>Aerostar
based and effay

>> No.14947962

Is a goatee effay?

>> No.14948211

>>14947962
depends on what you pair it with
a dick van dyke is peak numale

>> No.14949095

>>14944390
This. I have a beard and I like how I look with it but I fucking despise people that go around with stupid fucking shirts with something like "beard power" or "talk to my beard" printed on it or the type of guy that thinks he suddenly is some kind of fantasy hero or norse god and will begin every sentence with BY MY BEARD...
Could spend the whole day rounding those guys up they ruin the image of beards

>> No.14949107

>>14944290
>>14944296
>>14944375
>>14944423
>>14944439

If you look good without a beard, good for you

If you look good with a beard, good for you

Just let people do their own thing /fa/

>> No.14949114

>>14945192
I have a fucking Bruce Campbel level chin but I like to have a beard so there's that

>> No.14949123

I fucking shaved, when I posted my beard on here somebody said something that made me think, he said that a beard automatically makes me look less intelligent than clean shaved, he was kinda right

>> No.14949130
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14949130

Learning how to pose/smile with added stubble greatly changes your appearance. Look at this pic of me and how much it changes me.

>> No.14949217

>>14949130
Please nobody say anything mean about this picture.

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>>14947947

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>> No.14949702

You know the ratio of gay people to straight people? That's like the same ratio of guys with beards to this "beard culture" guy you're talking about.
I have never met this guy irl. I'm willing to believe he exists because of shit like:
https://youtu.be/RmFnarFSj_U

Even though this is a joke song.
Where are you anon getting the idea that every dude with a copebeard is like this? I have never heard of someone acting like this irl.

>> No.14949747

>>14947962
Only if you’re Japanese.

>> No.14949752

>>14944308
based

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>>14949130
>>14949217

>> No.14949809
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14949809

what about beard like this?

>> No.14949818
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14949818

beards looks shit

>> No.14950022

how the fuck do beards even grow
my shit grows all fucking retarded and curls/bunches up under my chin/jaw on all sides so i have a fucking nest of literal neckbeard that hurts like fuck when i try to comb it out

>> No.14950030

>>14949809
so kissable

>> No.14950044
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14950044

Tell me I have no chin /fa/

>> No.14950063

>>14944308
thats exactly my reason for growing a beard, you fucking coon

>> No.14950071

>>14949130
>Look at this pic of me
doubt

>> No.14950085
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14950085

>>14950044
Come on /fa/ I just have no chin that’s the reason I grew a beard right? You wouldn’t just be mad you can’t grow one right?

>> No.14950087

>>14949107
stop being reasonable, it makes me angry

>> No.14950111

>>14950044
>>14950085
>all that thrusting
Stop hiding your double chin, fatty.

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>>14950111
No double chin here. Me thinks you might be projecting ;)

>> No.14950149

>>14950145
mirin those arms, daddy

>> No.14950154

>>14950085
Ugly phone case

>> No.14950162

>>14950154
protects my phone it gets the job done. Talk shit post chin

>> No.14950176

>>14950154
straight up nasty phone case

>> No.14950236

>>14950176
post your chin pussy boy

>> No.14950244

>>14949818
Jon Jones has a nice beard when he grows it out, but when he shaves he has really nice bone structure

>> No.14950316

>>14944582
Nigga you’re one of the biggest faggots I’ve seen on here in a while. Go back to mfa

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14950341

>Vikings, blacksmiths, literally anything that exudes an ounce of masculinity
>”glorious” beard
>OMG THATS LITERALLY ME
I’d seriously be embarrassed if I thought these things were cool. Honestly I’m glad Reddit exists so i can identify these faggots immediately and disregard them

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14950366

fit check on my beard and lunarcore fit?

>> No.14950378

>>14949107
>>14950087
so much this! xD

>> No.14950389

>>14950085

That hairline tho

>> No.14950393

>>14950085
lmao you're obviously pushing your chin out. And yes keep coping.

>> No.14950394

>>14947947
honestly, the problem doesnt look too bad on its own
you just need a nice face

>> No.14950396

>>14950341
>t. seething ottermode femboy

>> No.14950398

>>14950389
He's a chinlet and a hairlet. What a sad life.

>> No.14950404

>>14950085
i guarantuee you wouldnt be able to hide your body fat as well without a beard so theres another good reason for you to keep it
also nice forehead, judging by your haircut cope seems to be your life motto?

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14950409

>>14950085
Your beard looks nice but it doesn't take a whole beard to cover a weak chin!!
>>14949809
I'm a big fan of beards like this! I like facial hair just don't like it to hide too much bone structure !

>> No.14950432

>>14950396
>mfa
Point proven.

>> No.14950467

>>14950404
bruh im in way better shape than you post a pic

>> No.14950471

>>14950393
Lol this is what chinlets actually believe. Im not pushing it out

>> No.14950475

>>14950393
>>14950145
Am I pushing it out here? lmao post your chin

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>>14944150
Beard is gay and basedboy. But what about moustache?

>> No.14950491

>>14949130
this guy is a confirmed neo-nazi

>> No.14950501

>>14949107
what the fuck dude is that some kind of REASONABLE POSITION are you trying to perhaps UNDERSTAND differing points of view i think you have the WRONG WEBSITE we don't accept that kind of shit here on this KOREN BASKET WEAVING FORUM

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14950509

Laying here laughing at chin let’s who can’t grow a beard. How do you cope with not being able to grow facial hair?

>> No.14951034

>>14950467
youre just gonna have to live with it beardo

>> No.14951047

>>14951034
Confirmed fatty. Have fun with the increasing joint pain

>> No.14951054

>>14951047
we are on a taiwanese basket weaving forum and you just keep on puffing up your chest in the hope of people respecting you? that is the biggest cope itt and one of the reasons this board went to shit: because of mentally ill weirdos (and beardos) like you

>> No.14951058

>>14950316
Lmao how are you still seething over this? just step away from the screen nigga like close your eyes hahahaha

>> No.14951066

>>14950022
Invest in some beard oil, apply a few drops after a shower once your beard is dry, massage it in and then comb all the hairs out. You want to be combing the hairs in the direction of growth, rather than trying to comb it “into” a shape, that’s probably why it’s getting so tangled under your chin. Just don’t go against the grain and you’ll be fine

>> No.14951096

>>14944308
This. This so much.

>> No.14951918

>>14950509
Look like you just finished getting fucked in the ass by a larger bearded man.

>> No.14951923

lmao at the insecure dude that keeps posting pics of himself thinking he looks good

>> No.14952474

>>14951054
I’m sorry your fat man but you can change. The gyms hard at first but you’ll get there. The beard won’t come but just shave it it’s better than having a patchy ass one like yours

>> No.14952477

>>14951923
Don’t think I look good but my chins better than anyone in this thread calling someone a chinlet lmao

>> No.14952480

>>14952474
post full body pic next to a door

>> No.14952486

>>14944150
It takes me an entire year to go from a buzzed head to shoulderlength hair.
It must take a decade if I were to try and grow a beard of any considerable length.

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>>14952480
You jerking off to these?

>> No.14952512

>>14952506
you wish big guy

>> No.14952521

>>14952512
Just some hetero mirin I see. Start hitting the gym man and maybe one day you’ll be able to see the ol one eyed snake again

>> No.14952544

>>14952521
still insecure huh
plus thats a lot of assumptions there, where does that come from?

>> No.14952589

>>14952544
You wouldnt post a picture so either you're a) a fat piece of shit b) butt ugly. You were calling me fat so I assume you're just projecting. Its ok though man you can change. Think about being able to take solid shits again

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I cannot grow a beard for my life. I'm 18 and probably a low T zoomer. I have blonde hair so it hardly even looks like I have anything on my face after 3 weeks of growing it. It isn't filled in at all and it hardly looks like I have anything.

Am I still too young or am I just doomed to be a turbo beta?

>> No.14952613

>>14952596
Might be too early but if it’s still really patchy you might be fucked for beard growing till you’re pretty old

>> No.14952645

>>14952613
It's not even patchy, its like stray hairs on my face practically.

>> No.14952684

>>14952645
Yeah man got to give it up for awhile

>> No.14952913

>>14949263
based

>> No.14952962

>>14944493
Ah yea that’s a decent beard anon keep it unless you’re trying to look much younger. It goes good with your long hair! But I would also say that a full beard is the only facial hair that pairs well with hair of this length.

>> No.14953285

Vaping is nasty

>> No.14953464

>>14944320
Post jawline mr childface

>> No.14953889

>>14944390
>This.
>A beard is not a personality trait.
>It's annoying that as soon as someone grows a beard, everything revolves around the fact they have a beard.
>I dunno why the fuck anyone would want to look like every other hipster cunt out there.

This.
Bring clean shaven is not a personality trait.
It's annoying that as soon as someone shaves, everything revolves around the fact they have shaven.
I dunno why the fuck anyone would want to look like every other teenage cunt out there.

>> No.14953902

>>14944290
2020 is the year of becoming completely hairless, the day of razor is soon approaching

>> No.14953905

>>14949107
Saying "both are good" is not a discussion, yeah it'd be nice if people weren't dicks about their opinions here but look where you are... At least they have opinions

>> No.14953966
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>>14953889
Cringe

>> No.14954012
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Beards are so powerful they can completely change your identity

>> No.14954027

Beards are for faggots.

It is just trendy bullshit that will fade away.

>> No.14954812
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>>14949258
I feel like this is basis, hm?

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>>14954812
jesus christ it finally makes sense
Riker is the reason for the bugman beard.

theres too many onionmen in this thread.
Post some handsome bearded devils

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>>14954845
Here.
How come TV dudes from the 80s have the best beards?

>> No.14954952

Sexiest men alive are routinely guys with beards. Being anti-beard is literally an actual coping mechanism for having a shitty beard that has no body and/or doesn't connect.

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>>14954952
"Sexiest men alive" don't have dayjobs either. I should quit mine, and anyone who has one is just coping.

>> No.14954991

>>14954959
That is the stupidest non-sequitor of a strawman I have ever seen on this website.
Your argument is basically this
>sexy men have beards but not real jobs
>since i have to have a job, having a beard has nothing to do with sexiness in the eyes of people voting on these polls and is totally unrelated
This is the mental capacity of anti-beard clowns.

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>>14944308
shaved my chin to dodge this, looks pretty good desu

>> No.14955005

>>14944308
this

>> No.14955056

>>14950479
moustaches are based and DEAcore