/fa/ - Fashion

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Cyberpunk thread - this party sucks edition

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Kicking things off with some classic inspo artwork.

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>>14951962
How does cyberpunk adapt to a world where the big tech dystopia is far more streamlined, minimalist, and overtly friendly?

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>>14951987
By digging deeper to uncover the sinister players behind the friendly facade.

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Love these threads thanks op

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>>14952332
Sure thing, brosavich. They're pretty much the only reason I still visit this forum.

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>>14951987
Through techno-primitivism.

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>>14952444
ID on the cargos?

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>>14952661
Would like to know this as well.

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>>14952442
I approve of this

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>>14952790
It's a Rosen-X jumpsuit, I've always wondered how comfy they are.

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>>14952802
they stopped making them due to sizing issues unfortunately

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>>14952802
is nylon comfy?

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>>14952883
was a high spandex blend nylon iirc

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>>14952892
it says 4% spandex 96% nylon on the website..

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>>14952899
thats pretty high percentage considering most stretch fabrics only have 1-2% of elastane

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>>14952631
Source?

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>>14952438
Absolutely insane

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>>14952911
Wish I knew. I think it might be a photo of former members of Information Society from the late 1980s. Found it while digging through my cyber folder and thought it was aesthetic.

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>>14953021
lol

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Is the cyberpunk thing still going strong? I thought everyone was over that?

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>>14954053
You're probably thinking of techwear.

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>>14954053
It seems to be going about as strong as it ever has. Every 10 years or so we get a major film like the matrix, avatar, or bladerunner which gives it a little kick, but cyberpunk has always stayed fairly niche.

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cyberpunk is too amorphous to ever die, which is why it's usually relevant and always fun

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why are vests such a big thing in cyberpunk?

is it an influence from biker culture?
the utility of more pockets (but why then not include sleeves)?
a prediction of sweltering future urban environments?

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>>14954357
While those are fine answers, I think it may come from 1980s street fashion which was prevalent during the initial formation of the genre.

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>>14954367
that's true. Cyperpunk isn't an objective rendition of a dystopian future, it's heavily informed by the era in which it was created. I'd like to see more contemporary-inspired stuff, I find the 80's shit to often look too goofy

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>>14954720
Not to mention the fact that punk is dead

Cybergoth is dead. Not even sure what to call the aesthetic we have left, besides the remnants of techwear and general futurism.

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>>14954754
cyberhobo

hobo aesthetic except technical fabrics, gear and practical means of defense, both against people and recognition devices and all that; the man who despises the metropolis but also thrives in it

the whole punk shit with mohawks and piercings and everything, this shit is dead

pic unrelated I just LOVE big asses

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>>14954764
gross

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This

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>>14954764
*ssssSSSSSSSSNNNOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIiiiiiffffffffffffffffff*

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why is cyberpunk more based than techwear?

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>>14954945
Techwear's barrier to entry excludes the low lives that make things fun

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>>14954945
techwear is boring and predictable. it's mostly black and has like 1-2 silhouettes max. 95% of techwear fits consist of black cargo joggers, bonus memes if they have bondage straps

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>>14954945
Techwear is gay incels and trannys. Just about anything else is more based.

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>>14951983
I owned that book.
Second Edition was perfect. I can't believe it's in its Sixth Edition now.

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>>14954945
Techwear is a rich kid's idea of functional. It's like a newbie amateur photographer going on holiday with thousands of dollars of equipment he doesn't even really know how to use correctly.

Cyberpunk mixes gritty utilitarianism with theatrical creativity like only the working class can truly do.

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>>14954770
how is this gross it's about the most attractive part of a woman

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>>14954764
BRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP

>>14955217
It’s gross because she’s obese

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>>14956684
So you sniff her farts even despite the fact that she is gross.

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>>14956684
Give me all the "obese" women then holy fuck nothing gets me harder than a big ass like that

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imagine calling big ass bitches "obese" holy fuck get outta here fags you smell like estrogen

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>>14956714
you have objectively shit taste. next stop gay porn

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>>14956697
>brap memes mean you like her

Lurk more

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>>14956716
Where are all the curves at!?
“Bbw”
Bro it’s not obese it’s thicc it’s a different strain bro
Bro big butts are hot who cares if she’s obese

Simp

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>>14956731
yeah ok go fap to skeleton bitches with no curves and sharp manjaws you fucking low-T homos

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gay ass tomboy lovers

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>>14956819
Low t cope

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>>14952438
gonna need some ID's, street urchin

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loose and baggy clothing to make room for the exposed data cables and asymmetrical augmentations.

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was thinking of this thread when I cut down the old work gloves I was going to throw away today

how'd I do ceeb

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>>14957308
Authentically grimy...excellent

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While all of the things everyone posted are good, is there fits that actually implement cables and shit like that into the look? I got a couple of non functioning pic related that need some use and I figured out "why not use them in an outfit?" but I don't even know how to style them, any tips?

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>>14956857
explain how loving big asses is low t. literally explain that to me, as opposed to loving planks with manly jaws. use your little brain here. big ass wide hips vs no ass no hips. come on. use your extremely small brain and explain this shit to me, how loving big asses is somehow low t.

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coomers pls go.

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>>14956816
As expected the simp thinks there’s only skeleton women and obese women
Liking unhealthy women isn’t /fa/

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>>14957492
You’re low T because you’re orbiting obese disgusting pig women on a Serbian Accordion forum.
And you’re retarded because you think women are either obese or skeletons.

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No fatties in cyberpunk except the evil patricians or the jabba the Hutt crimelords

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>>14957308
I like it. What do you wear them with, equally distressed clothing?

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>>14957344
In the event that you do not actually want to stick a wire in the back of your head, you could try braiding them around your wrist as accessories.

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>>14952691
Id on boots and pants?

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>>14953021
>Found it while digging through my cyber folder and thought it was aesthetic.
>cyber folder
can you share it?
>>14955137
>Cyberpunk mixes gritty utilitarianism with theatrical creativity like only the working class can truly do.
damn, that sounds cool
>>14957344
i was actually thinking of tying it around my leg

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Maybe one of you can help me. I've been looking for some new pants for work. I want something durable and well stitched like actual work wear but carhartt is now a meme brand and most work clothes are overly baggy and stupid looking. Is there a decent quality cargo or tacticool type pant that isnt made for overweight construction bros and not some weak chinkshit with pointless straps?

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I'm looking for a pair of glasses I saw some time ago. They were prescription glasses that seemed to be modeled after 3m safety glasses, I've looked all over, please anons, you're my only hope. I recall them being made by some designer brand (maybe versace?)

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>>14958027
I was thinking more of using it as a choker but it's the same thing just for the throat. Maybe I should get more broken cables to look like something out of Tetsuo: The Iron Man but more toned down
>>14958375
Looks cool, seems like the cover of a sci-fi book

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>>14958793
I didn't post the image sorry

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>>14958632
5.11 TDU might be along the lines of what you're looking for. I wear them for work and they're very durable. Heaver fabric and better fitting cut than ordinary BDUs, plus fully double stitched. Or there is always Duluth trading firehose pants if you want the most overbuilt canvas available.

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>>14958632
Also thanks for that image, I've been looking for it.

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>>14957644
Sharing my love for fat asses isnt low T you dumb fuck, sharing your attraction about anything is low T now? Nah dude I think you need more of that bullshark testosterone because your brain is clearly not functioning properly

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>>14958213
Boots are Palladiums, make sure you get the made in Vietnam ones not the made in China ones.

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>>14959176
Pallabrouse baggy hi tops, specifically. Canvas.

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>>14959120
Dude nobody cares about your fat fetish or your insecurities. Stop shitting in my thread.

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>>14954053
It always had a following but its probably gonna get stronger since we are on the brink on actually living in one.

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>>14959227
Gunhed was so aesthetic.

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>>14958023
you could definitely call my work gear that

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I got one of these oilskin dusters on eBay super cheap and removed the shoulder cape and storm flap. Now it's a pretty cyber looking overcoat.

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>>14952293
skinny puppy? nice

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>>14959250
Reminds me of Horizon:Zero Dawn

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>>14951987
>How does cyberpunk adapt to a world where the big tech dystopia is far more streamlined, minimalist, and overtly friendly?

IMO by doubling down on its rough-hewn and antagonistic ethos. Canonical cyberpunk works, to me, were never really so much about the dystopia/n overlords but about the striving and resistances of people trying to live their lives in and against that world. Like all of us are now.

"Minimalist" is complicated... I don't think or feel any resonance with either "minimalist" or "maximalist" as an ethos or spectrum or whatever. What I desire, as a general aesthetic thing, is orthogonal to that – it's spare and elegant but intricate.

The supposedly minimalist aesthetic right now – it really isn't. It's like big, grand scale, throw bucks at it flatness and plainness, or low budget imitations of that.

Apropos me happening to have it open in another tab, I think this Alchemy Equipment daypack is a good example of forward looking, human design... at first blush you might lump it in with minimalism but it really isn't. The pattern is more complex, sculptural and anatomic, than most; it doesn't strip the stretch side pockets or replace them with self fabric pockets like most urban bags do; and, crucially, the fabric is a waxed polyester that'll patina up real nicely.

Aesthetics truthful to cyberpunk in 2020 aren't going to look like classic cyberpunk because tech and culture has changed so much since the '80s... but we can still hold to the ethos, and something like that does it a lot more for me than something like say an Arc'teryx Blade or Nomin (the tech pinnacle of mainstream corporate chic) or all the PALS'd up tacticool bullshit (that people want to pretend is antagonistic to it but you'll probably see more of walking into a Google building than the first). (And ofc most tech workers don't have much taste, so you're probably just going to see random Herschel/Everlane/whatever the fuck Wirecutter recommends bullshit.)

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>>14951987
>How does cyberpunk adapt to a world where the big tech dystopia is far more streamlined, minimalist, and overtly friendly?

IMO by doubling down on its rough-hewn and antagonistic ethos. Canonical cyberpunk works, to me, were never really so much about the dystopia/n overlords but about the striving and resistances of people trying to live their lives in and against that world. Like all of us are now.

"Minimalist" is complicated... I don't think or feel any resonance with either "minimalist" or "maximalist" as an ethos or spectrum or whatever. What I desire, as a general aesthetic thing, is orthogonal to that – it's spare and elegant but intricate.

The supposedly minimalist aesthetic right now – it really isn't. It's like big, grand scale, throw bucks at it flatness and plainness, or low budget imitations of that.

Apropos me happening to have it open in another tab, I think this Alchemy Equipment daypack is a good example of forward looking, human design... at first blush you might lump it in with minimalism but it really isn't. The pattern is more complex, sculptural and anatomic, than most; it doesn't strip the stretch side pockets or replace them with self fabric pockets like most urban bags do; and, crucially, the fabric is a waxed polyester that'll patina up real nicely.

Aesthetics truthful to cyberpunk in 2020 aren't going to look like classic cyberpunk because tech and culture has changed so much since the '80s... but we can still hold to the ethos, and something like that does it a lot more for me than something like say an Arc'teryx Blade or Nomin (the tech pinnacle of mainstream corporate chic) or all the PALS'd up tacticool bullshit (that people want to pretend is antagonistic to it but you'll probably see more of walking into a Google building than the first). (And ofc most tech workers don't have much taste, so you're probably mostly going to see random Herschel/Everlane/whatever the fuck Wirecutter recommends bullshit.)

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>>14959385

Honestly, great take.

You should post more pieces you like along these lines. I am interested

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Can someone recommend me some good pants for white/grey/metallics/orange lunarcore? That sort of nylon trackpant that seems slightly loose but also a little tapered? I like 3M/retro-reflective material but that can be a but expensive.

Also, opinions on lunarcore in relation to cyberpunk? I always feel like in terms of looks they are very compatible, but lunarcore is more of a utopian/idealistic movement (what with the idea of space travel and human advancement) vs the dystopian low-lifery of cyberpunk.

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>>14951987
>overtly friendly
It's only friendly in PR communications, everything they do behind closed doors is still horrifically evil.

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Is this a cyber punk thread

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>>14958940
I'll check those out, thanks man.
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And no worries, Chemlab is fucking awesome. Saw em live 5 or 6 years ago.
https://youtu.be/dOceTv122Ok

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>>14959684
Cyberpunk is culture-first while Lunarcore is fashion-first. Early cyberpunk fiction was inspired by looks and discourse already percolating in the 80s underground, creating a cultural feedback loop. And then it took on new influences when it bumped up against stuff like rave and newer fetishwear trends. Just like punk, the clothes reflect a lifestyle. Lunarcore mostly seems to be nerds getting inspired by costume designers. To be taken seriously as a subcultural style, it needs to be lived rather than just moodboarded.

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>>14960149
Yeah I really like Chemlab. Too bad Jared seems like he's having a hard time finding relevance in the new decade.

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>>14959196
cyberpunk is dead

>>14957642
fat asses are /fa/ go back to your gay designer curated models

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>>14961293
>fat asses are /fa/
only to deprived incel on the edge of giving up

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>>14961304
Give me a fat ass over a "normal" ass any day... don't think they're a last resort thing you gay ass

Obese is being big with the fat is not the right places, as in boobs and ass too small for the BMI

Boobs and ass big enough though, I shouldnt have to explain this to you... The likelihood of you being gay is much higher than mine. The bigger the curves the better.

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>>14951987
Lean into the noir detective attributes?

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>>14960772
EL INCELIO DEL FUTURO...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkQyJ2i86Tc


unironically how much William Gibson did Rick Owens read before coming up with this look?

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>>14962738
it's clearly stolen from the transparent raincoat darryl hannah wore in bladerunner

there is nothing new in fashion

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>>14951962
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW5PGt3Z7PU

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>>14962759
>darryl hannah
pris was slut- and clowncore, zhora had the raincoat

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>>14951987
It might actually be techwear, or something similar
>>14959385
Excellent take

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>>14963343
Here's the thing about techwear. While it features some futurist principles and general sci-fi inspired aesthetics, there is nothing "punk" about it. The enduring spirit of punk, and thus it's relevance in cyberpunk, is the rebellious DIY attitude.
So while off-the-rack techwear may look futuristic, it's just another iPhone. A surplus ECWCS patched up with duct tape and dental floss, and stenciled in spray paint is much more cyberpunk.

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>>14955137
>Cyberpunk mixes gritty utilitarianism with theatrical creativity like only the working class can truly do.

Working class are NPC unable to do anything by themselves. It’s more like undergrad art school students doing working class jobs for living in a big city with high fees

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>>14951990
#squadgoals

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>>14959385
good reply, but disagree about the bag. it's the same bag as every other 'minimal' one like you argue it's not, but in it's product picture it has ~wrinkles~ from what looks like a superfluous wax canvas core?. i do get what you are saying though

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>>14959471
Thanks! I'll try to post more pieces/pics/whatever later.

>>14964548
What's techwear, define techwear, etc. Meanwhile, the Sex Pistols were literally created to promote a clothing boutique. Being attached to what's "punk" in 2020 is a little silly... what's that saying, "you're only as punk as you say you're not?"

"People often use the word ‘dystopia’ or the phrase ‘cyberpunk’ in relation to us. I think there's definitely some aspects of that. But really, our whole thing is, Acronym is really about agency. It's about enabling somebody to do something they couldn't otherwise. It's inherently optimistic. And if it's dystopian in some aspects, it's probably because it's kind of a dystopia right now.” - Errolson, https://www.gq.com/story/errolson-hugh-acronym-profile

Rebellion is the exercise of agency, liberatory politics done right is literally about the creation of agency, the idea here is the garments "enabling somebody to do" it yourself. That's Acronym. That's very much not Veilance. Brands like Guerilla Group are scams.

>just another iPhone

Lol, god, you should see mine: an SE (I like the small size) with gaffer tape slapped over the logo to rebrand it like I'm some old PJ with a Leica, the glass is all gone off the front except over the screen, where it's cracked, and the home button literally is just sitting in its slot, you can pry it out and put it back in and I have no clue how it's still working.

That ECWCS was literally made to be a tool of empire. It's about how you use things.

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>>14964674
>It’s more like undergrad art school students doing working class jobs for living in a big city with high fees

This is not how class works. Class is your relationship to the means of production, e.g. do you own it, do you not and have to sell your labor to someone who does, etc. It's about power.

"Working class" people are "unable to do anything by themselves" insofar as and only because they don't, in our political economy, control the means of production. That does not make them NPC*; it makes them oppressed, and people push back against that in a million ways every day.

Some of those undergrad art students may in fact not be "working class," they may receive and expect to inherent substantial familial capital and have a job as a lark or performance, but if they're having to do it because big city COL and high fees, they're just as much working class as the janitor living in the PJs. And they will be just as much working class after they graduate and are working in some office on a copy of InDesign like a person on a shop floor working a lathe.

* Except to the extent that, like, everyone up to Jeff Bezos is an NPC because who we are is created by social and material forces... but weird spot to bring that in at?

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>>14965088
Came in while I was writing... thanks, and I get where you're coming from, but the pattern is way more sculptural and functional than most rando bland minimalist office bags. That plus the way it'll patina IMO makes it stand out against those.

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>>14963016
rec more bands like this plz

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>>14964674
>art school students
>not npc
how can a though this ludicrous arise in somebody's brain
that's
so retarded
just... i can't even
i'm so done

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>>14965184
>i'm so done
with retards obviously
i forgot to add i was done with retards

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>>14965184
What's the definition of an NPC for you? Strip out all the ideological polemic 4chan bullshit and take the concept at face value – it's someone without agency, whose worldview is shaped by others, who doesn't have a meaningful interior life.

The first two are both all of us and none of us. Everyone has an interior life that is meaningful and hypersalient to them and other people are perceived at more of less of a remove, and this is literally the most ancient and basic critique of how our minds look at themselves.

"NPC" is a bad, incoherent, useless concept separate from the rhetorical move that, like, I'm so enlightened and freethinking and redpilled because I get my frame on the world from /pol/ and Infowars (or whatever) instead of Twitter and MSNBC (or whatever).

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>>14965118
Yeah, sounds like you're getting it. Sort of.
Nobody cares why the sex pistols formed. They are remembered for stealing instruments and introducing the world to a crazy new form of rock music and aesthetics.
There is nothing punk about a phone or a coat until it has been DIY modified, customized, pushed beyond it's intended purpose, and repaired with whatever means you have available.
So yeah, acronym may make nice stuff, but it is not cyberpunk unless you are doing cyberpunk stuff with it, living the high tech low life.
This gets said a lot, but it's worth repeating, cyberpunk is not about brands. It's the aesthetics of a lifestyle. A largely fictional lifestyle that is constantly just out of reach of our contemporary world.
With that in mind,

tl;dr cyberpunk is larp, do whatever u want have fun.

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>>14965129
I have a version of this bag. It's waxed synthetic ( I think poly), similar to cordura. The waxing is what will give it a patina. It's actually not wrinkled - the wax gets scratched and leaves grayish streaks but the fabric itself is pretty burly and rough. I like it and I find their designs unique. Just so hard to find their stuff in person in the US at least

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>>14965409
See, I look at it almost the other way around. It’s 2020. Punk is dead. Trying to think of things in terms of how punk they are is LARPing. The hegemonic culture has evolved, the countercultures and sources of counterpower have changed. Cyberpunk’s connection to punk-punk is mostly a tic of the discourse at the time, I think – yeah punk was in the air and there was some influence but it would be a mistake to be all like “it’s freaks being scrappy, so it’s like these other slightly earlier freaks being scrappy.”

Check out a book called Dead Precedents – it’s a persuasive argument that contemporary culture grew out of hiphop and cyberpunk. It calls hiphop “Black cyberpunk,” which I think it’s at least as right to call cyberpunk “white hiphop” – which also points to the ways cyberpunk as such limits and exhausts itself, the way there’s never for all the catastrophe and dystopia an actual transfiguring rupture in canonical cyberpunk fiction. But anyway point being I think you can tie cyberpunk to its contemporary cultural movement much more than punk-punk.

>This gets said a lot, but it's worth repeating, cyberpunk is not about brands. It's the aesthetics of a lifestyle. A largely fictional lifestyle that is constantly just out of reach of our contemporary world.

Yes to the lifestyle aesthetic, no to it being largely fictional or out of reach. Like sure we don’t have all the biotech but this busted up iPhone is a hell of a lot better than the hardware Case had, but the *texture* of life… don’t you think it feels the same?

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Look at this world! And every day scavengers, hackers, hustlers, subversives, dealers live their lives in it. There’s a reason cyberpunk stories are having a moment right now: we’re all in one, some of us at the edge more than others, but all of us. And people, especially those at the edge, have developed and grown beyond the base material of cyberpunk though – of course they have, not just because it’s been four decades but because to actually live in a world like this you need hope. You a horizon that isn’t just a grime-smeared-on-glitter intensification of the present.

Think about what Errolson said in that quote – agency and optimism against dystopia. That’s the wave. It owes at least as much to the traditions of Black survival, struggle, and expression against a world built on their death as it does to things like the Sprawl trilogy… even Gibson saw fit to to make Maelcum the wisest and most decent character. It doesn’t have a name yet, maybe it never will, right now we gather under these old signs, trying at this civilizational dusk to find the new connections that will save us, or at least make the time we have left worthwhile.

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deckers are fucking bad ass but where's his damn drone

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I'll have to give it a read but aside from chiefly being contemporaries, I'm having a hard time seeing the connection between cyberpunk and hip-hop, at least framed in racial politics the way that premise seems to imply. A very US centric perspective, but then again what isn't these days

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Sure punk is dead, but the aesthetics and attitudes are still around and influencing contemporary culture. But that's beside the point. Near future sci-fi has always been informed by contemporary trends, and when the present catches awkwardly up to the future, those speculations fall into the realm of retrofuturism while sci-fi gets pushed farther out. I happen to be interested in retrofuturism, so the cyberpunk aesthetics of the 80s and 90s are of particular relevance to me. Obviously not everyone shares such niche interests, but none the less it remains part of the canon.

While I agree that hip-hop held a strong connection with cyberpunk at one point, they diverged quite early on, and thus it seems pretty silly to assert such a 1:1 parallel. Hip-hop is about as related as acid techno, jungle, ebm, electro-industrial, and industrial rock. Setting aside the latter three's self-referential fixation with cyberpunk, they all share underground origins, innovation through repurposing technology, and association with antisocial and criminal elements. All cornerstone tropes of cyberpunk.
Similarly, while hip-hop has been a huge shaping force in contemporary culture, so have Disney princesses. Clearly though, we are not living in a fairytale. To say we are living in a cyberpunk reality is just as silly. By many metrics the world is not much more dystopic now than in the 1970s, or the 1930s or 1850s for that matter. We just have iPhones held together with tape now that we can use to complain about it. Cyberpunk, like fairytales, is a fictional setting based on the real world. It is a lense we can look at the world through, but remains just beyond reach.

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More Hardware, because.

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>>14966938
Lot of great reading in this thread! Interested in your thoughts about retrofuturism in cyberpunk - is that tied to the era in which cyberpunk emerged and how do you see it evolving with the new iteration of cyberpunk that seems to be catching on? Or have we ever really left?

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I think retrofuturism is going to stick around. It's fun, and fairly popular. Just look at how normies gobbled up steampunk. People love nostalgia. Bladerunner 2049 and Cyberpunk 2077 are both heavily retrofuturist. I think in future iterations we will continue to see retrofuturist references to the 1980s and 90s, but also additional eras that become associated with the genre. Like bladerunner did with noir, or the matrix did with 90s gothic industrial fashion. In 20 years our techwear will probably have been added to the retrofuturistic aesthetics associated with Cyberpunk, and someone will make a film or game featuring tapered cargos, goofy sneakers, and sleeves that are too long.

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bumping thread to respond

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Look outside