/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>7147807
They were liked in spite of the artstyle not because of it.

>>7147814
not at all. I really liked chainsaw mans art style early on. The other two i have no interest in

But they have different styles?

>>7147807
It's less that zoomers like it and more so that the artists all copied from the same places. I don't know how old Hokazono is but Gege and Fuji are just just getting into their thirties meaning meaning they would have grown up with the same popular manga and so would have also taken inspiration from the same places resulting in similar looks.

>>7147785
disregard perspective
aquire shape language

>>7147785
Perspective actually has nothing to do with foreshortening, it only describes converging lines

>mathematical approach, which I seek to develop intuition properly.

Correct yourself with 3d models that show the perspective lines.
Arriving at the same result as a 3d model with complex mathematical rules won't improve your instinct, it's completely unrelated to the drawing experience.

>>7147785
learn to construct in geogebra
https://www.geogebra.org/m/bqt5ghfn
https://www.geogebra.org/m/n6xx9xbg
heres one method, using an upright diagonal to transfer a length from a side axis to the vertical axis, or vice versa.

You’ve regressed, looks like the decline started to set in somewhere between 2010 and 2013.

>>7147745
go back to drawing christian icons
do them trad and sell them
>sfw
>food for the soul
>food for stomach from some money

unironically can make a living doing that if you are smart with social media marketing

this is what lack of God does to a mfer
>inb4 a a loser weirdo comes out calling me a LARPer
YWNBAW

>>7147784
What?

>>7147745
>drew sex with nigs
your soul is already tainted, NGMI

>>7147698
I honestly gave up caring and just draw flat shit

this is exactly me. I feel like when it comes to anatomy, light, etc. I’ve been able to study and intuitively grasp these pretty well. and even in the case of perspective I can bullshit organic forms convincingly

but once I have to contextualize an entire 3D environment or draw something really geometric where the perspective has to be spot-on (cars, architecture. etc)… it is so over

I’ve been trying to make it through scott robertson’s perspective book and it’s starting to make a little more sense, but I have to go through it really slowly and it seems a lot harder to just internalize the knowledge than with other fundamentals. it makes me feel like such a dumbass because I’ve seen a lot of otherwise unskilled artists able to throw together a decent looking cityscape lol

Yeah. Stuff like color theory or drapery or general anatomy has always felt pretty intuitive to me, perhaps because they require less precision. For similar reasons I think cooking is way easier than baking.
These days, I can sort of deal with perspective for landscapes, since those are more conducive to eye-balling. But urban settings? Interiors? Mechanical things? It's over for me

>>7147698
Try redrawing environments of movie/tv screenshots instead of normal photos

>>7147698
disregard perspective
aquire shape language

>>7147682
>the air brushing is also done a bit senselessly

what exactly does that mean though?

>>7147686
Not him but he meant there's no thought into planes or where the shadows actually go. Look at the girls' eyes. Left has no shading except the hair strand. Meanwhile, not only does the right have shading under the eyebrows to indicate sockets, the right socket is mostly airbushed while the left is mostly cel shaded until it reaches the inner corner. The socket shadows also make it look like there's a big crooked nasal bone between them.

>>7147686
I mean its used without much thought but looking at it again I was kinda wrong there was thought behind it. Its just that it works against the shading a bit say like the shading around he eyes of the black girl implies it wants to give this feeling of a nose bridge between her eyes but it doesn't show as well because the airbrush smooths it out

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>>7147716
so basically, certain areas should be harder shaded while others are airbrushed smooth, and the picture is doing both willy-nilly, which makes it lose the impact of shading in general?

>>7147722
Yes. Cel shading in general is easier to work with. Too much airbrushing gives a pillow shading effect since soft shading is for, well, soft objects and planes farther away from the object casting it.

>>7147631
No, ugly.

>>7147631
Two fausand eight???

>>7147631
ill start shes wearing her underwear in this 1
Vanessa P. (Abby Winters)
http://www.nude-beauty.net/archive/abbywinters/v/vanessa-p/01/?page=abbywinters/v/vanessa-p/01

>>7147601
Maybe you're one of the few people who have legit aphantasia.

>>7147601
>things you are not seen it?
The grammar bot sucks I meant
>things you aren't seeing?

>>7147632
Maybe, I cannot retain semi-complex images In my mind for more than a couple seconds.

as a young autistic 6 year old I would put a paper over a book cover and trace the art over and over again.

later, when tracing again, I had an epiphany. A truly spiritual moment that made drawing click.

you don't actually have to copy it exactly. If the arm is pointing up, you could turn the paper and make it point at a different angle, you can mirror an element in a different position by turning the paper over, you can even scale up or down an element by staying a certain distance from the real lines.

there are infinite permutations of the thing you study, it only takes a little creativity to realize.

After two dozen traces, I would draw the art on my own. I can't draw the exact picture again, because it's gone from visual memory. But I do remember the composition, the content and also the lessons I learned from studying it, this hasn't left me in over 20 years.

>>7147647
I can at best just copy stuff, I have no idea how to make something I am not seeing. And only clear cut flat stuff like cartoons, realistic things like Anime are too complex I get lost, the angles are wrong things are different sizes and it ends up deformed and skewed.

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>>7147653
daily reminder that this schizophrenic faggot blog posts like this constantly. He isn't looking for advice, he just wants to complain schizophrenically. He will track you down and hack your paypal if you reply to him, so don't do it.

Newfag here, is Clip Studio Paint the software I want to get for digital art?

>>7147749
Anon if you have a PC, why not practice with a mouse in something free like Paint.net?

>>7147755
Who asked the loser who doesn't draw?

>>7147563
How about it faggot OP:
We all know you don't draw on an autistic quest against chink tablets.
So instead of claiming decade old shortcomings exist, other ones still remain.
So instead making the same claims over and over again update them so people actually know what the tradeoffs are.

>>7147563
How about it faggot OP:
We all know you don't draw and are on an autistic quest against chink tablets.
While claiming decade old shortcomings exist, other ones are relevant.
So instead making the same claims over and over again update them so people actually know what the tradeoffs are.
I know you don't draw and don't have any of these tablets, but could you at least pay attention to what people post in these threads?

>>7147512
saar her toes are growing out of the side of her foot and her nails are melting and inconsistent

>>7147696
>present in large number or quantities, plentiful
>considered capable of achieving a goal
try again, aaron gonzales bukowski

>>7147533
Kairunoburogu. it is quite literally a shittier version of his art.

>>7147696
this is the weirdest "evidence" of esl I've ever seen, are you an offended bot or a Twitter slop shoveler?

>>7147533
ratatatat74, J.K., blushyspicy, yd orange maru, and pantsu-ripper. 100% certain because I have the prompt.
>>7147723
Nope, no Kyle. If he was included in the artist mix, the girl would be pudgier, have thicker joints, and have the characteristic Kyle face.

>>7147691
you're theologically weak and all you know is latching on to existing traditions, turning them into a LARP so it may be not so obvious that you're an asshole. It's obvious in your misuse of tolkien's words and your hillbilly church

>>7147327
>literally just a rainbow
>ew gross so ugly
Quit trying so hard to be such a faggot about it

>>7147327
It’s a a biblical reference. Like sodomy.

>>7147731
It’s like you never seen a real rainbow in nature and instead only know this ugly simulacrum.

>>7147702
hating God and christians doesnt make you special
anyways, gl in life

>>7147297
you typed this with one hand

>>7147302
yeah I'm eating soup

>>7147236
Getting banned from the worst site on the internet means you're on the right side.

>>7147304
you didnt even wash your hands before eating

>>7147236
Rip king
Retards treating art like real life should be gassed gor humanity's sake.

>>7147208
heh

>>7147206
Nice picture of a dark room OP, I'm glad our advice helped you out.

>>7147216
It is supposed to be the wolwerine fighting the hulk

>>7147206
Nice picture of wolwerine fighting the hulk in a dark room OP, I'm glad our advice helped you out

>>7147222
thanks

>>7147246
yeah baby

>>7147288
I don't remember this from Otokojuku.....

>>7147288
source?
this shit looks hilarious

>>7147611
click on the 3 dots and Saucenao instead of being a "durrr source ??" niggerfaggot

>>7147611
Sora yori Takaku

>>7147182
Bernd, you mean you're not using your art to highlight important issues like BLM or climate change or Palestine? Why even do art at that point?

>>7147170
I care about weed legalization, but apparently that's a 'low effort' kind of activism and doesn't earn you many virtue points on social media.

>>7147170
I have been following and talking to a Palestinian hentai fetish artist who turned out to be a PFLP terrorist leader and has ties to Iran and Hezbollah, this changed me, never thought I would have ties to a terrorist organization in the Middle East, it made me curious to pursue and dabble in political art.

>>7147287
and he also used to post here, ladies and gentlemen, /ic/ has ties to Hezbollah

A little bit.

>>7147154
There is no step-by-step process for how to get good at anything. Getting good at something is partially the experience you build up by trying to do it and failing, and also learning how to think for yourself instead of trying to find an authority figure to cling on to.

Not rules, just tools. The world is a sandbox of infinite possibilites.

Copy art you like
Repeat until good

>>7147154
>draw something
>find the worst thing in it
>study said thing
>draw something again
>find the worst thing in it
>repeat

>>7147154
>Learn to see like an artist
>Use references
>Draw everything like it's 3D

>>7147154
train your eye >> observing, drawing, copying from life and other artists
train your hand >> ensuring your copies are accurate and have right proportions
train your brain >> learn fundies and theory and practice them

if any one of these three lags behind your process won't be optimal, either your eye will not be able to detect what your hand did wrong or your brain won't know why you drew what you drew etc etc...these all must be trained at the same time.

>>7147195
So even if we pretend that your opinion holds water, which it could cause art is subjective, Why are both Genzoman and artgerm successful despite them having some artworks with BG's that are "photobashed & half baked"

>>7147230
NTA but it's because they pushed for it and people got used to it.

>>7147243
That and despite it, they are still good at rendering the people they draw. Art Germs traditional work he posts have the plain white back grounds and look just as good. Its a little cheat vs cheating the whole piece.

Besides. Manga artist litterally take photos of japan to put in their manga after editing.

>>7147230
Success is not equivalent to quality.
Why is Fifty Shades of Grey so successful if writing shitty fan fiction is so bad? Clearly shitty fan fiction is the way forward.
I get that you want to defend your heroes, but no one is above criticism. Photobashing backgrounds into an otherwise good drawing is like smearing chromatic aberration filters all over a game: even if the underlining idea is great, even if the drawing is good, the very presence of the filter lessens the impact of everything.

https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=murata_range&pid=252

Look at this for instance. He does both white void and backgrounds in pin ups. When he does backgrounds, he makes an effort to integrate everything, even when working from photos and reference. He unifies the background with the characters, has them interacting with it some way. In those cases where it's not necessary (when he wants the focus entirely on the girl,) he omits backgrounds entirely or simply puts in a basic prop.

It is not necessary or even desirable to always have a background. It's even less desirable to choose the half in half out approach where you lazily stitch some blurred photograph into the background for "atmosphere." All it is is an expression of laziness and insecurity. Commit to the background fully and put an equal amount of time into it, or leave it out entirely.

>>7147254
Has nothing to do with me wanting to "defend my heroes" dude, and I'm quite aware that no one is above criticism. But what I'm asking is, what makes them so successful if it isn't the shitty backgrounds? To me it's the Character art and rendering that got him success

Why does everyone want to do it all solo? How come nobody collaborates?
>Well I'd rather spend 3 years alone on a four minute pilot that gets instantly forgotten in a week or buried by the algorithm.

>>7147224
Collaborating (with talented people) requires money and clout.

>>7147225
>Collaborating (with talented people) requires money and clout.
No. It requires some skill and hard work.

>>7147120
just make it with ai

>>7147299
While you're posting that just to be a cheeky cunt, I do think that animation is one industry that will benefit greatly from AI (if it stops being shit anyway).

>>7147095
it's not if you know what master studies are even for

>>7147105
Not OP but is the proper way to go about it to construct everything?

>>7147235
the proper way is to do it is as the original artist did down to the material if you’re being technical. you should research the artist’s process and working methods as well as the specific work you’re copying. you’re trying to pick up their methods and techniques rather than reverse engineering their style so follow any process videos they share. if you work digital try following a speedpaint as closely as possible. the approach is generally to emulate the original process so that you can refine your own work and process, including injecting your style with the techniques and traits you would like to develop with