/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

cuz you're a fucking weeb

>>3366126
How is that rare? THIS is rare

>>3366133

>>3366134

>>3366133
this doesn't look like krenz tho anon

>>3366144
It is by Krenz. You can see hundreds more of this kind of sketches and redlines on his Facebook

But there's a compilation here: https://exhentai.org/g/883632/deb86d946f/

I wonder who is better, Jia or Krenz

They both have completely different styles and approach.. but knowledge wise?

>>3366184
nero looks like a trisomic here

>>3366184
Both artists are teaching their class based on basic and
theory, not their "drawing style", take both if you are considering their art course.
I am currently in Krenz's online art course (The one you posted), this is his very first-time online course so we are basically his guinea pig.
Krenz always got tons of theory breaks down for students, his course is good for building fundamental and eliminating blind spots, so if you are starting from 0, or try to push your skill to the next level, you can go for Krenz.
I never attend Jia's course, but according to Krenz himself, Jia provided much deeper skill training and theory, they still starting from the basic though, but judging from my friends and Krenz's experience, anyone who is completely fresh to art, will be having the hard time to keep up in Jia's course.

>>3366250
online course? is it in english? how much is it and give me link?

>>3366184
Depends really, I think that Ruan Jia is a better painter and knows more about color theory and composition but he's not a great draftsman, on the contrary Krenz's paintings are less bold and impressive but the guy has some really solid fundies, especially construction and perspective so I think that this makes him a way more versatile artist.

>>3366254
online course?
Aye, Krenz or Jia themselves directly mentor you online, just like go to the college.
>is it in english?
No is not in English but pure mandarin, I don't think Jia or Krenz can speak English (what I mean here is a level good enough to teach art. They can still speak in English tho.), so unless you know mandarin, you might learn very little because of the language barrier.
>how much is it?
The course currently running cost me around 140 USD, 8 classes in 2 months, plus a group of TAs, they are all hired and mentored by Krenz, so you are basically 24/7 covered.
The next online course enrollment will be very likely start at mid-May. But again, I don't think they are able to provide English course, so take your own risk.
>give me link?
Here is the main site of his:
https://www.krenzartwork.com/
And this is the enrollment page, you can save it for the next course.
https://www.krenzartwork.com/register.html

>>3366184
krenz is more of an all rounder, jia dumped all of his stats into rendering, still love them both though

>>3366126
>appealing
i don't know man, its just a drawing of a 4 year old girl.
asians tend to like these alot for some reason... there are a few westerners who like that kind of stuff too but they are usually overweright and they wear fedoras

>>3366424
thank you, your contributions to this thread are highly valued

>>3366431
this thread is about some anime artist. it isn't of any value to begin with.
its "Artwork & Critique", not "diarrhea and Critique"

>>3366436
ur a faget

>>3366436
post work

>>3366436
How is Krenz work "diarrhea"?
He got a very solid skills in both structure and styles as you can see in many of his work. And since your post seem implied that you know much about the value of artwork please do explain why you think Krenz doesn't deserve a thread on /ic/.

Unless you're just baiting of course, in which case please do not reply to any of us.

>>3366301
Sounds good. So I assume you're not a hobbyist.
The stuff you've covered until now, was it insightful? ..or to be more precise, was it a game changer/eye opener?

>>3366184
krenz's edgework isn't as strong. it's probably the biggest flaw with his work

>>3366477
>no response

he probably made that shit up

>>3366249
>implying she isn't

>>3366436
Krenz is better than you at literally anything art related, you name it. Perspective, colors and light, anatomy, dynamic poses, figure drawing in general, classic painting techniques, literally anything. Try to be a little humble when talking about your superiors.

>>3367519
This. I dont really like krenz either but dude probably studies more than you

>>3366250
i try jia course for some moments he is a good teaching but teach is so difficult i struggle to draw architecture from the three points haha i highly reccomend

>>3366184

Krenz stuff looks more lively and dynamic for my taste. Ruan Jia stuff when it's good has this "etheric" look, but his latest paintings looks just unappealing and unfinished. I'm talking about that spaceship.

>>3366184
>Jia or Krenz

jia is render savant

krenz is color savant

koreans are the superior illustrators

>>3367525
>spaceship
we don't talk about that here

>>3367528
Krenz' biggest strength is drawing and construction though. I mean, his paintings are beautiful, but he got popular among artists online mainly for his ability to visualize forms in 3d space and explain his process on how to do it.

really love krenz's construction and lighting, very soft to the eye.
Here are the files to both his studies and gumroad files
>https://mega.nz/#F!QzYzBThY!08wAc1AW7iIuXkWiWy7Gbw
>https://mega.nz/#F!VuxwwbjI!esShKdrteFGa6vKfDi_rMA

>>3366477
>>3366778
Sorry mate, got work to do so I cant really stick on ic all day. will post my reply for ya in the next few hours after I done my shift.

>>3367528
>koreans literally use the same generic 3d model to paint over
>"illustrators"

They are concept artists, there is not a single good korean illustrator.. no thanks

>>3367539
t-thank you anon. Have some krenz details

>>3367524
oh nice, do you have some screenshots of his lectures??

>>3367563
Poor girl, she will never be able to cry

>>3366301
I think I'd murder a child to be able to have these courses in english.

>>3367573
just learn chinese anon, it only takes a couple years to learn
nah but my mandarins pretty rusty, gotta brush up on it if I want to try out that course anytime soon

>>3367573
there is no hidden secret knowledge that you can't find in any other english books

>>3367567
you just had to point that out xD ..

>>3367539
Thanks!

>>3367539
it says empty folder?

>>3367563
>>3367567
Oh God, it's physically painful to look at.

>>3367539
>https://gumroad.com/krenzcushart

anybody got the eng subbed lectures 1,2,3 and Onmyoji 1,2? Not asking for a link, but what's your experience with it, worth it?

>>3366126
>appealing
Not particularly. Maybe if you're a weeb already mightily biased toward animu, I could see all that soft rendering over your precious animu being comfy. But objectively, without accounting for quirks in taste of the mentally underdeveloped, the face is too exaggerated, flatly rendered and out of perspective. The right eye and mouth look like they've floated out of position on that formless sea of open skin.

>>3367711
post work

>>3367711
blabla

>>3367721
>>3367725

>>3367745
It's shit, need loomis

>>3367711
Just out of curiousity, do you actually believe that there is any art related skill that you think you are better at than Krenz? Yeah, he likes to draw anime girls every so often, that doesn't change the fact that there is absolutely nothing in art that you are better at than he is.

>>3367774
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at CalArts, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Proko, and I have over 300 consecutive LAS submissions. I am trained in Loomis and I’ve got the best flow in the entire gesture thread. You are nothing to me but just another animeposter. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision linework the likes of which has never been seen before on this board, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, crab. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of successful freelancers across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that whips out the pathetic little thing you call your likeness. You’re fucking drawn, kid. I can sketch anywhere, anytime, and I can depict you in over seven hundred poses, and that’s just with my imagination. Not only am I extensively trained in feeling the form, but I have access to the entire library of the New Masters Academy and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass onto the face of this clipboard, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy illustration your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit redline all over you and you will drown in it. You're never gonna fucking make it, kiddo.

>>3366477
>was it insightful? ..or to be more precise,
>was it a game changer/eye opener?
For me? yes it is, though it just my opinion.
I switch from Installation art after find out manga are a much more powerful tool for artists, Im now trying to make drawing manga as my career.

Krenz self-taught for over 8 years, he's been through everything everyone could possibly encounter on studying art(or manga, or maybe illustration), that makes him good at hunting down your weak spot/problems, he's course did help me to improve my skill.

pic related, photos took from the course last year.

>>3367813
Do you mind sharing your notes or his redlines/critiques, if you have any anon? A lot of people here will really appreciate it

>>3367563
These semi realistic animu girls are weird to look at up close. What's wrong with this eye?

>>3366301
how much do you guys think it would cost to pay a translator to transcribe the whole thing?

>>3367813
you smelled the hair of that waifu in front of you, right?

>>3367850
nothing. Stop trying so hard to fit in.

>>3367876
the absolute state of weeaboos
they just can't not reply

>>3367906
learn to deal with your insecurities without shouting weeaboo at everyone who makes fun of you for being an idiot.

>>3367813
where are you tho, and why is krenz holding his cheek

>>3367817
>Do you mind sharing his redlines/critiques
Pic related.this is the only one I got, there were over 250 students in
class so the chance is rare for him to give everyone's personal artwork critic.
He told me "pretending yourself a camera", brightness level change depends on where you aiming the focus point, if everything is at the same level, then audience don't know where to look at (in other words, the structure will be broken.). I told him I want to focus on the character, so the result is:
put extra layer of shade(we using photoshop here, so you either pick multiply or soft light for layer mixer.) on character to enhance the light from top, shaping out face, legs and chest, then another layer for background to bring up the brightness level, so the character can stand out from it.
>Do you mind sharing your notes
I do, sorry, it was all written in horrible Engrish, I was thinking of practicing my ability to write note in full English, it just bad, I can try rewrite these awful notes more "readable", but I can't really get on it anytime soon cause my work is pilling up here, will post them on ic if I do manage to rewrite them.

>>3367856
Don't know, I can only assume it will be expensive. in the last year course, I did tell him lots of English speaker hoping he will open English course, "I'll think about it." is the only answer he gave me.

>>3367868
Mate, that's a guy.

>>3368421
Sometimes in Japan, sometimes in Australia, Im now in Taiwan, basically a backpacker who is trying to make a living out of APP manga, will be better if I can get famous, desu I'm starving everyday.
He was teaching how the light works, can't remember why he holding the cheek.

>>3369427
>put extra layer of shade(we using photoshop here, so you either pick multiply or soft light for layer mixer.) on character to enhance the light from top, shaping out face, legs and chest, then another layer for background to bring up the brightness level, so the character can stand out from it.

so multiply to darken the character, and soft light to push the bg brightness up?

>>3369449
Yes. if soft light is not enough, use overlay, but it could break the saturation so careful with that mixer, even Krenz himself consider overlay is hard to handle.
In my experience, if the overlay ruins the saturation, just swap it with more soft light layers instead.

>>3369427
Ohhh I know you, you're on AL right. Fancy seeing you here.

I'm still really thirsty for those notes man, I honestly don't mind the broken English, I think I got used to deciphering poor English. So if you don't mind, please do share them anyways

>>3369461
gotcha, thanks for the tip! I'm curious you said layer's', are you supposed to use multiple soft light lighters one after each other, instead of just tweaking one?

>>3369482
Correct, in some cases, you might need just one, if that doesn't fix your problem, use more layer(with mixer) until you feel satisfied.

Since we are talking Krenz in this thread, have you see that pic >>3367563 posted? that skin tone and brush texture? Krenz love to use soft light layer to make that effect, he claims that the high transparency makes it easy to apply texture, and it has the lesser negative effect on base structure. he never shows us the PSD file of that pic but I guess he must be using over 5, 10 or maybe more to do make that skin tone, soft light layer are not the only mixer he uses, sometimes normal layer as well, for some clearly visible texture.

Pic is part of my class notes from 2016 Krenz color art course, hope this can help you memorize the soft light layer technique.

>>3369480
Ok, I'll see what I can do with it as soon as I can get my hands on it.
Btw I'm thinking of open my own course before 2018 ended, so still have to deal with those poorly written notes anyway.

May I ask what is AL by the way?

>>3370196
Thank you man, I'm extremely grateful for that! Would be interested in your course too, are you doing it online?

By AL I mean the Art Lounge discord server

>>3370193
This is super helpful, thanks so much for taking the time to write and share with us.

One last note, you keep mentioning soft light layer "mixer", kinda lost on what mixer means.. just the layer blending more or something else like channel mixer, mixer brush etc?

>>3370492
After watching a few Photoshop basic tutorial video, Sorry, I should have done more research before posting something, my mistake. It is "Blending", not the "mixer".
What I'm saying in all of my previous posts are actually layer "Blending".

>>3369427
>Japan, sometimes in Australia, Im now in Taiwan
I read this kind of thing a lot in this board, how do you guys find the money to travel everywhere like this?

>>3370594
No problem man, don't apologize you contributed literally everything here lol

I've got a question for you, if you don't mind.
pic 1: Do you know if he still uses this dodge tool method to color skin?

pic 2: What's his usual approach when constructing a painting nowadays? Not sure if this Wip is recent

>>3367567
Shes not real :^)

>>3370605
Rich parents

>>3370819
don't act like your mom isn't paying for your internet and monthly moe box

>>3370886
My mom has been dead since i was like 7 so no she isnt.

>>3370893
probably getting trolled, but my apologies anon-kun.

>>3370629
Can't quite sure but I think he still does, btw that looks like the trick he learned from Guangjian (as I remember Krenz said he still keep attending other artist's online course every year, Guangjian Huang is one of his mentors.) the picture you posted was one of the learning materials he packed for us in 2016 coloring course, is old but still fresh. Judging from what he posted recently, I think he is trying to back to the start.

When studying Krenz you need to look into 2 artists, one is Kim Hyung-tae couples, Krenz is a big fan of them even before he decided to shift career into CG/illustration, the second one is Krenz's teacher Chung-Wei Chien, he basically helped Krenz build up the fundamental, Chung-Wei is a men with huge influence in Taiwan but he retired a while ago, mostly focusing on watercolor, you can find some of his videos on youtube.

The second part, there is no certain answer but he usually follows these pattern (regardless the order):
1. Start with grey scale, ensure that the value is correct first, then color it.
2. Brush lots of big color chunk, then polishing it.
3. Start with a rough sketch, slowly adding color, tone, shade or lighting to it, might cover the sketch at the end.
For the rest, is all depends on experience, knowledge and creativity, in my previous post I mentioned how he used "soft light" blending to make tone, you can check those recent artworks on Facebook, they all look like "watercolor", which is clearly inspired by one of his mentor Chung-Wei(that's why I say he might be trying to back to the start.), and he is using that soft light trick to create that watercolor-look artwork.

But that's a technique I haven't learned yet, Krenz just create this watercolor-like technique in mid 2016, he introduced it to us on coloring course with no PSD file provided (which is reasonable.) so there's nothing to share.

>>3370605
I hate to say this but >>3370819 somehow made the point, although my parents are not that rich but they can at least ensure themselves have a good life, so I don't need to worry about them when everyone here has to feed their parents, I just need to make sure that I won't get starve or internet get cutoff.

I do projects, commissions, selling stickers and Tshirt, after few months saving I can get going again, but I'm barely holding up the life like this, in other words, I literally had nothing.

>>3370912
Again, fantastic insight, gonna look up the teachers you mentioned.

Thanks so much for all the effort put into this. Do you have a tumblr/twitter? I'd like to follow your work

>>3371035
>Do you have a tumblr/twitter?
You can check this post here >>3371912
forgive me Im trying not to post too many unrelated posts in this Krenz study thread.
> I'd like to follow your work
Thank you ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)

>>3370399
Sorry, missed your post. I'll do it online, it is still in preparation, hard to tell when will I start it.

>>3371035
>Do you have a tumblr/twitter?
You can check this post here >>3371912 →
Forgive me by not posting the link here, is better to keep this thread focus on studying Krenz.
> I'd like to follow your work
Thank you ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)

>>3370399
Sorry, missed your post. I'll do it online, it is still in preparation, hard to tell when will I start it.

>>3370912
Yo could you share some photoshop skills that artists like Krenz use, like how he uses Curves, Hue/Saturation, Brightness/Contrast, and stuff like that. Cheers pal

>>3370193
Thank you for sharing this anon. I never thought about using a soft light layer to create texture but now I'm interested in trying it out.

bump

>>3366126
Idiots trying to act smart just being assholes.

It's appealing because the balance and focus point with the colors are just, well pretty. Blue vs orange(linework in face dark orange) Then yellow vs a daaark purple.

Whatever style or motif doesn't matter, if you enjoy it you do, if you don't you don't. But good use of color is good no matter what you THINK.

>>3373313
I've been thinking for few days try to recall did I ever saw Krenz use those tools during demonstration back in the course.
Sadly, no, but not like they never use it though. Due to Krenz is heavily relying on basic knowledge towards drawing, these tools are rarely used, and Krenz is not the only artist drawing like this.

What I believe is these eastern artists including Krenz, they still use the tools you mentioned above, but the chances are rare, even when they do, there is nothing special when they using it, they simply move the bars and see if the outcome fit their needs.

My opinion is, because of the different philosophy of doing CG between western and the eastern artists. In Asia these artists generally focusing on how to use basic skill to draw(we are talking about China, Taiwan, Korea, maybe Vietnam, Thai and Philippine here. Theres a long ares history behide all these, but I'm skipping it this time and cut to the point.), when artists drawing on the computer they do it like drawing on papers, color has to be precise, lighting, perspective everything needs to be done right at the beginning, even if the artist find out they mess up the painting later on, what they do mostly is adding another layer, simply fix it with brush tool. thus here is my conclusion: most of the Asian artist still take CG as an extension of traditional art instead of a new form of creation, so the request you've asked, I have to say: Sorry anon, there's nothing for me can share with you on that part since they don't really use it that much.

>>3376001
My process is the same, glad to hear that. Thanks!

>>3376001
I hope you're still here, but I want to ask a question. What exact layer mode does he use in Step 3? The translation is very vague and unsure. I'll post the original Chinese version too on the next pose, since you can probably read them. Can you also confirm the overall accuracy of the translation?

>>3376352
Original Chinese version

Anyone tried his eng gumroad tutorials? which one is the best to get

>>3376352
>>3376353
Is all good mate. give me some time to make a new version of this, Krenz did show us this artwork in 2016 course with original PSD,

If you want to know now, that is actually the Multiply layer blending in step 3.

>>3366133
>what is foreshortening on arms
lol god no it looks terrible
also op pic is terrible too. looks like krenz cant fucking put features on heads to save his fucking life at that angle at least

>>3370193
everything in pic related is 100% wrong.

>>3376353
Multiply.

>>3366133
>>3366134
No not krenz too

>>3376596
May I ask why?

>>3376596
May I ask the reason?

>>3376596
redline or btfo

>>3376587
what color does he usually use with multiply though, warm or cool?

>>3366126
Damm reminds me of some of my stuff...not as high qaulity as that pic but thats because my pc is shagged..still neet

>>3376587
Thank you man!! So it's just good ol' Multiply
I would like to also know what kind of color would he use on that Multiply layer

>>3376827
you must be joking buddy

>>3376792
>>3376790
you have all have the wrong impression of using the blend modes its so funny ahaha

>>3376792
>what color does he usually use with multiply

>>3376836
Obviously haha

>>3376827
what the fuck are u on about

>>3376838
>>3376841
>doesn't know that you can tint shade with multiply

why are you even on /ic when you don't know how to hold a pencil anon-kun

>>3376863
you cant even use white and to tint colors requires to use white LMAO

>>3376352
What would be a reasonable amount of time for this process? From scratch, drawing that first sketch all the way to the level of refinement shown in the last square? Maybe even being a little generous?

>>3376353
>>3376352
Did my best on dealing with my poor spelling and grammar, hope this wont burn your brain.

>>3376570
you never know what you could learn from those contents, so is better to get all of them.

>>3376792
>what color does he usually use with multiply
>warm or cool
No certain answer here, it depends on what mood he wants.
If you want to draw a warm color based artwork, then dont paint too much cold color to it., try light red orange in multiply layer.

>>3376830
Is red orange, remember there is no right answer on this, it depends on the situation and what kind of overall color you want, if you want this girl paint in cool color then you should considering the light purple or pastel blue.

I think I could conclude a few points out of what >>3376596 said, be noticed that the soft light blending could ruin your value balance, it can increase or decrease the value when painting brush tone with it, so try different color (light or dark) and see what color fit your situation.

>>3376874
Is soft light blending we are using in >>3370193 , not multiply.
Are there any other problems in that picture?

>>3377402
Thank you so much for the clarification!! This is really great in-depth stuff

>>3376874
Are you retarded or just a newfag? For fucks sake go and experiment with PS, these are fucking basics

>>3377402
>If you want to draw a warm color based artwork, then dont paint too much cold color to it., try light red orange in multiply layer.

This, and don't listen to >>3376596 , it's the same crabfaggot

>>3367528
Im not Korean tho

>>3367528
>jia is render savant
hes not if you ever fucking looked at his high res images
he knows more about color than krenz could ever get his brainlet brain around

>>3377687
>Are you retarded or just a newfag? For fucks sake go and experiment with PS, these are fucking basics
no but i know you are if you think you can use white in multiply mode lmfao

>>3378347
>white is a color

le faggot crabtard

>>3378718
so youre gonna tell me black and white are not colors. cool. so that means pigments of black and white are not color. that means when you dab a highlight with pure white its not a color. ok cool, gratz youre retarded.

>>3378718

>>3378347
I don't get it, who the fuck is telling you to use white in a Multiply layer?

>>3378746
>>3378748

like I said, you are retarded. You are confusing the term "tint" with applying a color tint digitally. As long as it's not completely white, multiply let's you add faint color, while simultaneously darkening the subject. If you go really bright, you get color with subtle darkening.

>>3379127
probably some salty fine art crab

>>3366126
Is that how fetal alcohol syndrome looks like?

>>3379821
I thought you've looked in the mirror enough times in your life to figure that out.

>>3377402
thank you for this chinese(?)-anon

>>3380889
Not affected, sorry Krenz.

>>3377402
You got an artstation or any other work blog anon?

>>3366486
I think his edges are fine, but he intentionally makes a compromise in the level of rendering he shoots for.

>>3382761
Anything but artstation (sort of)
You can check >>3371912

Look back to that >>3377402 old post, found out tons of embarrassing mistake either on grammar or simply wrong spelling, now I just want to drown myself in a barrel of donkey piss, never again posting/rushing something during the midnight, blimey.

>>3376827
Dude what the fuck no

>>3377402
Another small question, on Step 3 when he's separating the light and shadow, does he use the same (Multiply layer) color for every object? Or does he use different color for skin, horn, etc.

>>3383380
Do you use a lot of references for your outdoor scenes? Love the realistic colors in them.

>>3366481
wow thats really gud did u draw that lol :)

>>3385304
He did not, I'm sure he was on streaming while drawing this one so Krenz doesn't have much time, have to keep everything simple or on the same layer.


>>3385333
Yes, I do, I was a backpacker, took lots of photos during my travel, so I'm now having a massive reference database for both my artwork and manga.
But I also search/use reference from Instagram as well.

>>3376001
>when artists drawing on the computer they do it like drawing on papers, color has to be precise, lighting, perspective everything needs to be done right at the beginning, even if the artist find out they mess up the painting later on, what they do mostly is adding another layer, simply fix it with brush too
I work exactly like this. Maybe there is hope after all.

Makes me want to learn mandarin to take a class but fuck does that sound like effort

>>3366474
are there any progress videos of him working on this kind of landscape?