/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ref

first draft pushing it in to a painting next week

>>3741154
10/10 OP picture

Hand gestures

I WANNA LEARN HOW TO DRAW BETTER.
I WANNA
I WANNA
I WANNA

>>3741482
RESIZE YOUR FUCKING SHIT

>>3741672
draw more 3/4 views, dont get stuck on front and side

trying to draw things that have backgrounds instead of random characters floating in space. not sure what i want to do with the character's clothes

Feedback appreciated

>>3741754
Too squashed. But I were able to tell it was jeff bridges without looking at the file name. The mark making is pretty cool though.

>>3741710
Looking good

how do i draw this texture?

>>3741754
did you come here to humblebrag

This seems the best place to ask, what is the purpose of the plastic/wire on these brushes? They’re watercolour pointed wash brushes. Is it a “quill?” I assumed it was, and its purpose is to keep the bristle shape, but then on an amazon page someone was asking if they’re supposed to remove it which has me a bit confused. I’m guessing they’re incorrect and it’s supposed to stay on?

Some practice, I know it’s obvious that it’s pretty shitty and I’m sorry for the extremely scratchy lines, but can anyone point out as many mistakes as possible so I know what to fix next time?

>>3741672
You need more structure, the body looks way too loose as if it dosen’t have real bones. You need to draw the structure of the body and then the clothes around it, otherwise it looks like the body’s shape is defined by the clothes.

>>3741158
this movie iis going to be a shitshow and it will be kino

I need to clean up the line art, but how does this look so far?

>>3741812
it keeps the brush on the stick

>>3741825
Your neck is too long, and you need to work on your chicken scratching.

>>3741754
not beg get the FUCK out

Can anyone give me tips or pointers for drawing characters of 5 and 4,5 heads tall?

Mainly regarding the location of torax and pelvis but I'll welcome any tip.

I've read and practiced Loomis for a long time for normal proportioned characters to the point I actually have problems dealing with smaller characters (it's easier for me since I moved to pixel art)

>>3741825
Practice drawing lighter, and controlling how dark you make your marks. If you don't, you end up with your pic, it's dizzying, jarring to look at. Difficult to discern what you're trying to draw.

Work on making a single, confident line instead of what is known as chicken scratch. (Short, inaccurate marks)

The and head aren't attached correctly. The perspective is also very off.

I would recommend simplifying everything. Don't worry about the clavicle and all that shit. Work on correctly drawing the 3 major masses together first. (Head, Ribcage, Pelvis)

>>3741892
I can't help you with your design question, but I'd recommend drawing at a larger resolution, then scaling down if necessary.

>>3741897
I started drawing on smaller canvases (is that the word in english?) since it's easier to translate to pixel art later. I try to draw as close as possible to the actual pixel canvas for the end (which usually is 130px tall)

>>3741892
I know you're drawing a spiderverse thing but Thorax isn't the word you're looking for, I think you want Torso

>>3741904
Yeah, that. Sorry, english isn't my native language and most of the time I have the words on the tip of my tongue.

>>3741685
like pic
>>3741835
how about now?

Do any of you know what the random colors in some paintings is called? Like a brown wall will just have like a little spots of faint blue in it to break up the monotony.

trying to get better at shading. progress is slow. any tips?

>>3741953

>>3741154
Where the fuck do you get good advice on drawing bugs, almost every animal artbook is exclusively dedicated to mammals and if you're lucky maybe a single snake thrown in as an afterthought for variety.

>>3741955
Huh? Aren’t there tons of images on the internet you can use for reference? Don’t limit yourself to art books.

>>3741894
In order to get rid of my scratchy lines I’d have to learn how to draw with the shoulder instead of the wrist which requires a lot of new muscle memory, so I’d rather Only practice that after I mastered anatomy.

Also I did use simplified versions in my previous drawings. It kinda worked for me but there were still anatomy issues and now I’m trying to get a deeper understanding of the human body to get rid of these problems. Thanks for the advice though!

any crits? I just started drawing

>>3741940
I think you overdid it with the detail. Cylinders, Circles and Cubes in different combinations and shapes are all you meed. Don’t bother with the muscles, you’ll get distracted and the drawing will become stiff. You want to achieve figures that look flexible, not too loose and not too stiff. Watch this video by Proko, the gesture drawings he does in the end are pretty great examples: https://youtu.be/74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3741940
That’s better, but if you want to focus on getting better ignore the muscles and only use different variations and combinations of the three basic shapes (Cylinders, Cubes, Circles).

You should watch Prokos videos on structure and figure drawing, it’ll help you: https://youtu.be/3uEtdDvK6Xo
https://youtu.be/0660Fuih7qo
https://youtu.be/yqxPHew5bGQ
https://youtu.be/nRHfcqjbPq8

>>3741980
if this is a crack at surrealism, its not bad. interesting even. if its ment to be ralistic u need to learn proportions, figure drawing, gesture drawing loomis head perspective shading...

Just being able to copy lines is such a short part of the sticky, but I've been at it for a month and keep fucking up
am i retarded?

>>3741980
figure out the shape of the skull before adding the hair and face.
think of fingers not as being attached to the hand, but as being attached to the cntr of the wrist by a fourth, extra long joint.
for soft things, like breasts and fat, they bulge at the lowest point due to gravity and taper up to the highest point. picture the shape of a drop of water sliding down an uneven surface.

the way you did both the hair and the flowers is very aesthetically pleasing, conveys a great sense of frazzled whimsy

>>3741979
everything you learn the wrong way you'll have to relearn with your shoulder.

did a bob ross in oil, i didnt put down a primer so i put two coats of liquid white. I’m not sure if you need a primer tho

Is Intuos 3 still a good tablet? I've had a little 4x6 one for ages, thinking about getting a big one since they aren't terribly expensive on ebay. Most are missing the stylus though, the one I have should work right?

Or should I just wait until I have more funds and buy something newer?

>>3742020
It definitely takes a lot of time to see the angles and lengths correctly.
Draw an entire pic, overlay with the references in an image editor, and redraw it after seeing your errors. That's a good way to get better.

Jazza says the midpoint of the figure is the belt line but Loomis says the midpoint is the dick itself. Who's right?

>>3742095
>jazza vs loomis
hmmmmmmm

Ok but jokes aside, if I were given these two choices from two artists who are both reputable, I would always go with the one that yields a figure with longer legs. Generally long legs are seen as an appealing design choice/characteristic. So here it would be loomis’s groin midline.

bout as good as I can do my anatomy is still wonky af, since anime is so weird compared to irl.

>>3742158
btw I can kinda draw hands fine when needed.

If someone was a /beg/ tier loser whos only been drawing noodle armed anime people at the skill level of a scene girl in 2008 on deviantart for the past 3 months, would scott eaton's anatomy for artists and vilppu's drawing essentials be an acceptable place for such an "artist" to begin?

I dont want to slog through drawing on the right side of the brain and perspective made easy because I learn best in a lecture environment

>>3742170
Yeah vilppu is very good at explaining anatomy, he breaks it down into simple shapes, and explains it well.

what the fuck can I do other than gestures
they bore me to tears

>>3742173
I guess what Im asking is what are the pre-reqs for villpu especially if i skipped perspective made easy and drawing on the right side of the brain

Heres an art I did. Would you say it's the higher end of low quality, or lower end medium quality or is it just shit

I'm just trying out colors.

Also excuse my furshit.

>>3742217
Well you really should attempt perspective first, but beyond that villpu is suitable for /beg

I just started with watercolor; any criticism?

>>3742228
thank you

what are the main flaws i need to work on here

>>3741980
For some reason, this reminds me of Brian's art style. I thought you was him for a moment.

>>3742248
Line weights, poor use of shadow to define the forms of the faces. Also those desaturated colors may be accurate to the characters but they’re boring as fuck to look at, add some contrast in there.

>>3741773
thanks!!

fixed some stuff and made more progress

anyone have any guidance on what i could be doing better here?

Gotta do more anatomy stuff, always more.

>>3742273
Stop posting. I’m serious, not trying to be mean; if you’re at a stage where you’re trying to push out of your comfort zone, the most beneficial thing for you to do is to work and problem solve yourself, rather than having someone else dictate what you should be doing.

im going to call this finished. thoughts?

how do yo uget rid of the feeling like you're being watched and judge when drawing

This is the first painting I've completed. Felt pretty fool-proof and I was able to finish it in one night which was nice.

It was a Christmas present for my mom.

>>3742020
Definitely.

>>3742326
The usual.

>>3742397
Did your mom like your painting?

>>3741892
For 5 heads at least I think the simple 2 heads for the torso (from neck base to the groin) and 2 heads for legs works pretty ok. Of course you need to scale the arms accordingly.

>>3742415
Yeah she really did. My dad too. They didn't really say much but I could tell they were proud. Good feels.

I usually try to give my mom something hand-made for Christmas. I'm not really the artistic sort so the bar is low.

>>3742413
what are the usual

>>3742425
very good. Technically sound

>>3742425
WHERE IS THE ANATOMY. THOSE ARE JUST SYMBOLS. KNIFE THERE, SLIT THROAT THERE. BUT YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF ANATOMY. LOOOMMMIIIIISSS.

>>3742430
nigger we went over this like twice already

>>3742431
GAAAAAAAAH AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3742432
Give up you can reason with eric.

>>3742433
can't*

>>3741800
anyone?

Been grinding away at this for hours but the coloring just looks so off. Also made a mistake and rendered the face too early on. Im probably going to ditch this and repaint it at another time. In the meantime, what is the issue here? I was attempting to draw a desert scene with the character in the shade. Warm light hitting her front and left side. I looked at some paintings for similar desert scenes and shadows and even color picked but it just looks so wrong. Any tips? As a side note what’s a good place for immediate critique? Discord?
>>3742397
I like it. Next time I would imagine the leaves as masses with form rather than paint each leaf. Also in general there doesn’t seem to be any form, it’s just colors. The lighting situation in the ref is not ideal for that though.
>>3742235
I can’t tell what this is as all. Is it a road? I think for large swaths of color try using dry on wet and wet the entire surface of the road first. Then when you lay down your brush strokes it won’t have a glazing effect where the strokes overlap. There are some great YouTube references for various techniques.

>>3742436
One word, Loomis.

>>3742437
It looks like you aren't done. Needs more texture to it, that's the problem, not the coloring.

>>3741892
dude those proportions are not 5 heads thats like 2 heads and a quarter

Did a quick head drawing, What would the general mistakes be?

How do I into acrylic?

>>3742437
There's definitely something funky going on at the top half of the figure.

>>3742432
here you go. okay so the knife hand is off. but the head and mirror hand and head are fine when you factor in that theyd be dropped a bit as if you were actually using one, the same you hold a smartphone.

>>3742445

Center line should curve with the shape of the face; with a small curve around the lips/nose turning into a big curve around the top of the dome.

Nose is not placed right, probably because of the misplaced center line.

Lips don't have the right perspective, they should be rotated slightly and foreshortened.

Ear seems a little high. Actually continue the brow line next time all the way around the dome to get where is is.

>>3742449
The left side of the vest is off for sure

>>3741252
>wllsmth.jpg
>>3741286
your character looks constipated af
>>3742060
you could organize a dope ass exhibition at the thrift store bro. Dont forget to bring potato salad and some friends.

>>3742437

I'm no painter so grain of salt advice here; but contrast.

You'll notice in masterful artworks that the background is always in contrasting colours with the main subject.

In this case, the pink/purple is just too close to the skin colour in patches so that is all blends and nothing catches the eye.
As a general rule (from a video I saw once), cool colour skin (which this is with the clues/purples in it) should have warm colours in the background for contrast; and vice versa.

Also, other people were right in the anatomy part. She's built like a triangle.

>>3742462
*sorry meant
>>3741672
not
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>>3742227
Got some nice shape language and design going here. Probably good low end.
Work on line weight and forms.for example his right shoulder does not look rounded at all with the way it’s shadowed.

>>3741252
>>3741271

Same /beg/ mistakes
1. Loomis heads.
2. Basic form.
3. Basic lighting.
4. Read/watch how to construct the form for eye + ears + nose + mouth
5. Read/watch how to shade in hair.
6. Try anther portrait but don't suck (as much)

Was inspired to draw hands from reference from an anon a thread before, can I get some critiques except the first hand was just a failed attempt /opinions?

I also got a couple of questions; should I keep practicing referencing and blind drawing to develop a better sense of the flow of a body part, or should I soon start into slowly learning to construct pieces like the hand?
Are there any good websites to draw isolated body parts from?

Was inspired to draw hands from reference from an anon a thread before, can I get some critiques except the first hand was just a failed attempt /opinions?

I also got a couple of questions; should I keep practicing referencing and blind drawing to develop a better sense of the flow of a body part, or should I soon start into slowly learning to construct pieces like the hand?
Are there any good websites to draw isolated body parts from?

>>3742227

Learn how lighting actually works on forms. If there's a bright light coming from the left side of the picture (which the face suggests), there will not be shadow on the left side of the clothing either.
You might get some half tone colours/cast shadows, but those are NOT what you've indicated there.

Shadow should be on the right side of the clothing (what you've got isn't terrible), things like the left arm/collar/jacket should be in light.

AVOID A SHADOW ON THE OUTLINE OF OBJECTS. The left side of the jacket honestly looks like shit.

>>3742471

Not good enough to draw from imagination, so keep drawing with reference.
BUT learn construction first. Even when drawing from reference, construct the object THEN full in the details.

Search on Youtube "Proko hands" and watch his video 2 main videos on hands; one should be a break down of the muscle/bone/sinew in the hand and the other one is how to draw one.

>>3742464
Thank you. This makes a lot of sense

This is the painting I was going off of and it seems like most of the characters in the shade aren’t the focal point at all. Maybe my composition was losing from the start or maybe the choice of greys like olive drab in her clothing are just making her blend in. I dunno. I shall ponder this. Thanks again.

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>>3742474
Ty anon!
I'm very well aware of not even being close to drawing from imagination yet, but I would like to get to that point eventually.

>>3742476

IMO the people aren't the focus in the drawing, the arch is. Look at the building and see how it's very warm (orange/red/light brown) with a cool background (blue sky, the people on top, even the top left background building).

Meanwhile, look at this picture and see how their light, warm skin tones are contrasted with a deep, cool green.

>>3742480

imagination/doodling from brain. wish i could draw a body and hands at least at this same shit level, can't seem to get myself to practice the way i would like. A.D.D.
keep quitting after a bad body build attempt and recede back into my shitty cartoony head doodles. i'll keep trying tho

This is the first time I’ve ever tried to draw anything in an anime style. (It’s Goku in case you can’t tell.) Sorry for the shitty shiny paper, this was done on the back of some wrapping paper scraps.

Do you guys focus on real figure drawing before doing anime so you understand the lengths, or do you just stick with anime as the proportions are all different anyway?

>>3742564
just draw whatever you want to draw, don't limit yourself to shit. you can practice more "realistic" drawing alongside anime shit, who cares.

>>3742235
Work from light to dark. You kinda have to go in reverse. Get your base colour done first with a wet on wet wash is usually a first step, then you add darker colours as it builds up. Yours looks like my early ones where you’re still trying to use watercolours like an acrylic style paint. The opaqueness of watercolour is one of the beautiful things about it. I like this guy, plus if you’re a web he’s Japanese too.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPiQ_mEXdEbB-3Yhiq7gq5w

https://youtu.be/NlfHGNEVau8

>>3742564
>study fundies to get better
>draw whatever you feel like between study sessions to apply what you learned and not get burnt out from draw a box and book studies.

Does anyone here have any recommendations on good paid courses for beginners? I'm interested in drawing from imagination and I know the bare minimum of fundamentals.

>>3742668
Post work. "Bare minimum of fundamentals" is vague af.

>>3742668
>I know the bare minimum of fundamentals.
You probably not even able to list the fundamentals.

>>3742668
>I know the bare minimum of fundamentals.
You're probably not even able to list the fundamentals.

>>3742671

>>3742671
>Bare minimum
I meant I know barely anything. The minimum amount. I used the wrong word. I just know how to draw boxes and perspective from reading perspective made easy.

>>3742709
Why do you sound so defensive? Values, form, perspective, anatomy, gesture etc

>>3742719
You don't know any of the fundamentals, not even the bare minimum. You need to start from the very beginning. Lucky for you, they're simple enough that you don't need to pay big bucks to learn them unless you're completely incapable of critical thinking. Go through Keys to Drawing and the Drawabox line + perspective exercises, then look for more resources, paid or otherwise. Good luck.

>>3742726
>etc
invalid response.

>>3742740
I'm listing fundamentals. I didn't say I knew them, jackass. Imagine being so defensive on a beginner thread. Get a life, idiot.

>>3742735
I didn't post that picture
>>3742719
I would say I'm slightly better but not by much. Thanks for the recommendations though. I'll look into keys to drawing. I've already done some of drawabox.

ok ive decided that i vilppu's lectures are not for beginners. these video lectures are the real world version of the draw an owl meme.

here's hoping analytical figure drawing is actually attemptable by an actual beginner

I don't get how these shadows work. especially the torso area.

>>3742763
Funny you should say that, because Vilppu vids taught me how to draw. They do require you to think about what he says and be observant of what he does in the videos.

But different strokes for different folks and all that.

Make sure you can do basic perspective first, or analytical figure drawing will not work for you.

>>3742777
which exact video lecture or video lecture series did you begin with?

i trolled through the archive for an hour looking posts going back years that talked about vilppus are great for beginners but literally no one specifies which video lectures

I feel like trash

Just a celebration of Capitalism I guess. Feel free to redline the skull, facial features, ribs, etc.

>>3742781
I started with his figure drawing series (the old ones, but NMA stuff is probably comparable). Pay attention to his grip and the order in which he makes the strokes, how he moves his arm and hand, especially during the gesture lectures.

>>3742719
Bruh. Your picture shows us that you know absolutely nothing about fundies.

>>3742764
That seems to be the reflected light. Otherwise yes, the chest should be in shadow.

If there is water or say wet asphalt ahead of the character it can give pretty bright reflections. Though it is also possible that artist just didn't give a fuck and wanted character features to be visible. As long as the lighting is consistent over all the objects in the scene it should look good even if there is nothing that would actually reflect the light with such intensity.

Drunk sketch over Christmas. I would touch up Abe but Thats true to the ref

Can't believe how large Schulz drew these characters. Like a big American car!

>>3742418
Thanks! Will practice that.

>>3742442
That's actually like 4 and a third of a head but yeah, it didn't end up looking like I expected.

Some sort of gyaru motherhood manga

>>3742795
I only want to do digital art though

Pulled out a Bamboo Pad I bought a few years back and decided to give it a try.

(Drew it before I read the sticky...sorry)

It's the girl from the Chilled Cow Lofi Beats channel.

I could not figure out her right arm for the life of me and don't even get me started on hands. I don't even consider myself an artist but there's definitely something tranquil about focusing in the moment as one creates their art.

Just wanted to share it with y'all.

>days without sucking ?
>0

>>3742816
Makes no difference when it comes to fundies. The only thing is that his overhand grip might be tricky on tablets, but it's my default drawing grip on both the Cintiq and Ipad Pro (+ Apple Pencil).

I was going for head tilted downwards, viewed from above, eyes looking up, but I don't think I was able to sell the first part. Is it in the outline traced by her jaw (now that I look at it, her face has to be shorter), the eye shape, or both?

How does one draw smoother looking bg's?

No matter how much I try, it always tends to look really stiff
I follow how the jap artists do it but for some reason despite them having the same type of linework as me theirs tend to be really natural

It makes me really discouraged that I don't even bother to color it in most times

>>3742799
Check those trap muscles. It's like they're way too thin. Review anatomy to see how they attach from the neck to the shoulders.

>>3742805

When drawing hair, try to make all lines that go past the hairline converge onto one point. Make adjustments based on particular quirks in their hairstyle, but this is the default for each bundle of hair.

>>3742955
You are comparing coloured and shadowed work to clinically placed lines filled in with a bucket. Of course it would look stiff.

First off desks and cabinets would never be perfectly lined up. Mess some of their positions a little. Then it depends on if you want to add colour or no. Without colour you'll need to use line weights to make objects more "alive". Amd with colours it would be basically down to how good you are at placing your values.

>>3743021
I mean even with just pure linework I still don't feel like I measure up though

I look at pic on the right and it feels natural, and I look at my own at the left and it feels disgustingly like some 3d Daz shit

>>3743025
Not him but in the one on the right things are a lot more rounded and detailed (the things on the shelves, the way the desks don't quite line up, the rivets on the chairs). However, your linework is really good anon. Don't beat yourself up. Those are just some things that I think could put it on the level of the other pic you posted. :)

I'm shit

>>3742787
source of this tutorial?

>>3743059
nah man that's pretty good, many add some more facial features and introduce light.

20 years ago I used to just pause a cartoon and try to draw that.

Now I'm reading that you're supposed to draw 100 boxes a day or something

Why can't I just keep doing what I did as a kid to learn the fundementals and then read books about other things and practice those?
I get the concept of training how to do basics but like, I want to draw something I want to draw, like a cartoon or comic and try to adapt that rather than "draw a box a million imes" or whatever the fuck it is

>>3743025
Look at the one on the right. Really look at it. Not all chairs are perfectly lined up. There are stickers on the wall. Different books and bags on the shelves. People were there.

Now look at your own - no one ever was there after furniture was installed by robots.

>>3742787
Care to trace the head for me?

I've been drawing for 2 months now and I feel like I can draw from reference but still have no idea how I'm supposed to go from this to actual original illustrations.

This is my recent study.

>>3743096
Just make shit up fool.

>>3743089
>Now I'm reading that you're supposed to draw 100 boxes a day or something
Where did you read that.

>>3743089
Retard just do what you want. If you want your hands to not look like squished assholes, draw hands. If you don't want to constantly draw people with downs, work on faces and expressions. If you want nice big fucking tits, finish masturbating amd draw big fucking tits. Books only get you so far, as do shitty boxes. Draw whatever you want and improve on what you lack.

>>3743127
https://drawabox.com/lesson/250boxes
there

>>3743141
yeah see here's what I got so far from reasons why that's bad which is "you won't develop your own stylue" but my argument against is if I'm just practicing drawing after like 12 different artists surely I'll get to a opint where when I'm drawing from memory/making up my own stuff, I'll get something unique no?

>>3742326
Bere?

So I'm new to digital art and am wondering how I can do stuff like pic related. I'm using Krita but have no idea how to get this same effect, I think it is tangents but am not sure how to even set this up.

How do I draw nature without sucking

>>3743145
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>>3743127
And where exactly on this page that neither mentions the number "100" nor the word "day" do you suppose it says that?

would like some advice and critique on this, I would like to think that it's done but not sure where to stop or how wrong it all is

Redid the thing multiple times, sucks a little less but it still looks like I’m gonna redraw this a lot more until I fixed most of the mistakes.

>>3743152
im not expert anon, but when i watched Bob Ross on twitch he drew nature with few touches or brush and it was really sweet. Also nature doesnot look like bunch of black lines.

>>3743204
Learning gesture will help you

Is she cute, guys?

>>3742158
Watch for the foreshortening and use curved lines make the arms and body feel more like a shape than flat surface. You picture is a bit flat as it is

You are overdoing the eyes Anime doesn't have THAT big eyes in fact man has smaller just more detailed eyes. There is no need to have that big to look good.

You can also experimenter with poses that are a slight more unbalanced than the basic standing pose if you are going for something more dynamic and moving.

Here is some quick and shitty example on what I would mean.

Did a quick sketch of a torso in a neutral position from memory to see how much I understood of the anatomy. The thighs ended up becoming thicker than I wanted, and can somebody tell me if the pelvis and ribcage are tilted correctly? I can’t quite tell by myself.

Loomis heads. This is my literal first try and it's great to be able to draw actual looking heads with decent structure.
Am I going to make it

>>3743386
Please fucking stop stabbing your canvas you ape.

>>3743388
Put in the time and effort and you might. And keep the nose line parallel with the brow line.

>>3742564
>It’s Goku in case you can’t tell
Really? lol

>Do you guys focus on real figure drawing before doing anime so you understand the lengths
You're still way in the beginner phase to understand what you're asking. Anime is stylized from real figures, so learning figure drawing will help you draw anime. This is why it's recommend you at least learn or be familiar with the basics of figure drawing if you want to draw anime.

>>3743096
You just have to start sketching what's on your mind. From there, you get to see what areas need work, what you need to study and so on.

How do you paint in digital?
Im using cps, should i use some differnt app? What would be basic tutorial for this?

>>3743480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz8Xyt3z-w

>>3743355
ty for the help

>>3743147
Sketching out your ideas and composition using more traditional drawing techniques would be good preparatory work for creating something like this but I think you’d be better off using a vector based program like adobe illustrator for the final piece.

I think this is the 6th full upper body that I've drawn. Pretty sure I made his torso too long. Thoughts?

>>3742447
made some adjustments

>>3743562
Those muscles are wrong.

I've been doing the upside down copy technique on memes then adding my own details on top of them. I haven't drawn since highschool; just started a week ago.

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>>3743568
Grizzled stoner Pooh had me laffin

>>3743562
Learn where muscles are located and construct them, refine your perspective or read Perspective Made Easy, and be a bit cleaner with some of your lines. Keep practicing anon.

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>>3743572
Thanks mister

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>>3743581
christ almighty are you fucking 5?

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>>3743568
4K pictures 2.4 mb each of literal garbage.

happy new year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONzLqcuEmuc

>>3743611
Kek, got anymore exercises/techniques instead of copying stuff upside down? I know they are obviously shitty but I really liked drawing these

>>3743611
>>3743620

Any idea/tools in order to make a pencil thicker without making a (mechanical) pencil feel like total dog shit? My hand cramps easily when the pencil's too thin. I tried tape and tape + cotton wool, they didn't feel particularly good to hold.

hey im happy with the face for once but the body looks shit (its not dont but I wanted to get help instead of polishing the turd)

My guess is that the waist is way too thin but where else is it going wrong

>>3743204
>>3743386
Ok stop. You’re turning the pose into a symbol. Do other poses, do gestures instead, etc etc. If you always redraw the same poses over and over you’re going to have problems drawing from imagination later on. Keep practicing but with a different ref each time. It’s not like you’ll run out.

idk what I'm doing

>>3743204
be a little lighter with your pencil, i see some indentations, which will throw off any potential lining you would do over it

>>3743669
thats perfect mate. you do you

seriously though what was your goal?

>>3743562
Look up multiple pictures of beefy dudes from different angles to understand the muscles more, you're quite a bit off

>>3743680
just to get the perspective right

>>3743683
in what way? were you trying to change the viewpoint?

if you were trying to copy it as is, id say just look at the differences and see what youve done. like the torso clearly isnt leaning that far forward, the back foo isnt that far back or that high etc.

then youll have a better pic then do the same sort of criticism on the new one.

desu i think youd benefit from the upsidedown drawing thing

>>3743076
>>3743092
I don't understand what you are implying?

what other exercises are there for an absolute beginner other than gestures, I hate only doing them and it's discouraging me from practicing

>>3743648
try koh-i-noor's 2mm pencil

>>3743702
Find art that you like and aspire towards, copy.
Your eye probably sucks so you need to learn how to measure angles and lengths.

Jane Birkin in La Belle Noiseuse. Still needs a Mary pen for lines in the face. This could have used greater stylization.

>>3743719
*Maru pen nib

Should have started with sketches of her face

>>3741754
This looks like some of the stuff I do. I really like it.

Do you have a ig or anything?

>>3743707
Looks like it could be thick enough, thanks. I'll try it out.

>>3743724
pic to compare style

why is hating on loomis suddenly the hip meme

Any image/video guides on figure drawing by doing the arms last? I feel like realistically doing the arms is one of my biggest difficulties, so getting better at that technique might be the most beneficial.

>>3743568
>>3743571
>>3743574
>>3743577
>>3743581
Don't start with copying fucking memes anon, pepe and wojak and shit have horrible anatomy for actual art purposes. And in general, don't just "copy" whatever you see, you'll never be able to.

I don't even think you're ready for Fun With a Pencil yet--unironically skim through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and just do the exercises for now.

I swear to god I'm not a furry

>>3743829
You can draw furry creatures without being a furry. Hell, you can even fap to them. Being a furry is a state of mind, imo.

>>3743841
The only furry that I know doesn't even fap to furry porn.

why does this look weird to me? And how do I get a fresh view of my drawing after looking at it for too long?

>>3743849
Flip it upside down.

is this too cluttered/busy?

>>3743865
Draw Twin-Headed Thunder Dragon next.

What is a cheaper paper than bristol board that's good for copics?

>>3743869
i had to look that up to see what you were talking about. why would i do that ive literally never payed attention yugioh in my life? can you just answer the question

Is it ideal to try to learn all of the fundamentals while starting out or should I focus on one thing at a time? Would either methods be worse towards my overall progress?

What should someone do if they only are interested in exclusively digital art as a hobby and have no desire to draw traditionally, and have never attempted drawing either digitally or traditionally?

What I want to know is: how hard is it to go through these art book from decades ago and attempt the exercises on your drawing tablet as an absolute beginner?

What do I do if I dont know how to operate a non-display drawing tablet? What do I do if I don't know what zoom level i should use, what a good brush size is, how often to zoom in and out to prevent distortion, how frequently or infrequently to abuse the undo function

>>3743821
Thanks mister

>>3743816
I'm also >>3739092, just posting another comparison to one of Loomis's 8-head figures and doing it without the arms to see if there are any major issues in how I constructed this without worrying about arms.

In this I know I maybe could've done the back of the neck a little better connected to the head, but other advice on shit I should focus on (and any tips on the neck thing too)

Here's the end of my 7 days of hand practice for people who are interested in if it's worth it or not.
Some of the middle numbers are shit because of lack of motivation coupled with small size.

>>3742437
The perspective is way off. I can't really find any lines converging. The chair is tilted, and it's vanishing point should be straight upwards from where it would be if the chair would be level with the ground. The supposedly parallel converging lines of the stair steps and of the chair are actually separating. The anatomy is less off putting than the armored vest, it seems like it has rotated facing us rather than pointing upwards. The form on the armored vest isn't correct.

Value game is decent. Green color is always difficult to handle, try to push the shadow side more towards cobalt blue to get the cool effect, and try to outline the lit side with almost lemon yellow. You can compliment green with some purple, ideally framing the green but in this case adding a flower vase with some purple flowers on her right side could do the trick?

The overall color composition of the image is very weak. The pastel purples, blues and yellows on the walls and the floor is very difficult to support the character with green and earth brown. Next time after the drawing stage try to go super small and do some color thumbnails, just adding swatches of color and see how they work together to avoid this.

>>3743899
Wow, great job Anon! That is the shit! Your hands did improve compared to the start. What will you do next?

>>3743849
to short jaw

>>3743648
>My hand cramps easily when the pencil's too thin.
You're probably squeezing the pencil too hard.

>>3743940
Thanks, I have no plan.
Just going back to weeb shit til I find something I find something I want to focus on.

>>3743891
You're already not making it.

>>3743975
Yes I know I'm committing a terrible unforgivable crime. I am an actual beginner, not an intermediate who LARPs as a beginner. And I am committing egregious sin by actually looking for advice in the beginner thread on how to improve. I know that makes me human scum for thinking I deserve anything but disparaging remarks and ridicule for trying to better myself.

But, you know, if you could humor me for a moment that maybe would be cool. Maybe.

I feel like I'm finally beginning to understand construction somewhat, but I'm struggling making my shit not look flat a lot of the time. I think I'm the least shit at a slightly above three quarter view, but what do you all think?

Should I just experiment with different shapes with the same pose and see what works best?

>>3743891
I've only been doing digital. It takes some getting used to, especially the disconnect with the tablet if yours doesn't have a screen, but I like it. Might still want to switch between traditional and digital occasionally though, just so things are flexible.

You'll make it as long as you're dedicated.

>>3743990
>What do I do if I dont know how to operate a non-display drawing tablet? What do I do if I don't know what zoom level i should use, what a good brush size is, how often to zoom in and out to prevent distortion, how frequently or infrequently to abuse the undo function
Why would someone who's yet to even pick up the pen, worry about these things? Humor me.

>>3744015
I explained why in my post. But maybe I wasnt clear. I have no interest in pursuing a career in art. I already have a career. I have no interest in drawing traditionally. My only interest lies in digital art as a hobbyist. And I already have a digital tablet that Ive drawn with for a little white in programs like SAI and CSP

I worry about these things because when I draw on my tablet I feel like I have no idea what I'm doing and frequently have to abuse the lasso and transform tool because I keep drawing awfully proportioned people because i zoom too far in and realize i drew lopsided limbs when I zoom back out.

I also use the undo function quite frequently. I dont really understand if Im learning how to use these digital tools or if Im simply failing spectacularly

>>3741154
Study based on a work by Nicolas Petrimaux

>>3744020
>I dont really understand if Im learning how to use these digital tools or if Im simply failing spectacularly

None of that matters if you're only aiming to be a hobbyist. Just have fun.

>>3744020
I cant say I worried about that too much but you can just go on youtube and watch a digital artists process and get a sense for what they do

>>3744005
>Should I just experiment with different shapes with the same pose and see what works best?
Try doing humanoid robots. They have simpler geometric forms as their base and they are easier to imagine and draw for a start. Especially in perspective.

>>3743899
Doing the hand exercises, is it allowed to watch your own hand.

What's a good book or tutorial to learn hatching?

>>3744051
Of course. Copy your own hand exactly.
You can and should add construction and guide lines, but always use a real hand as a reference or you won't learn anything.

>>3744034
>Just have fun.

How do you smudge your shading to get smooth gradients?
My thumb is black from using it as a smudging tool.

>>3744020
>What should someone do if they only are interested in exclusively digital art as a hobby and have no desire to draw traditionally, and have never attempted drawing either digitally or traditionally?
>never attempted drawing either digitally or traditionally?
>never attempted drawing

>I already have a digital tablet that Ive drawn with for a little white in programs like SAI and CSP
Guess you're just asking for a friend, lol.

Stop zooming in. Stop abusing undo. lassoing shit around is fine, but sometimes it's easier just to redraw it.

>>3744059
You need to go on a deep personal journey of discovery before you pick up a pencil.

Somebody that knows how to paint well, please fucking help me. My brain completely shuts down when it comes to colors and shit. I genuinely have no clue what to do here, nothing is clicking.

Here is a quick practice i did the other day

>>3744078
You practiced in grayscale before doing this? If not, do that. Then try making some flesh colored spheres and shading them. Start small.

>>3744054
Watch Alphonso Dunn's videos and check out his books.

>>3744063
>Just have fun :)
I havent had fun since Bush Jr was in his first time. I learn to draw for the purpose of one day being able to draw my own personal weird fetish porn. Fun is not part of this equation

>>3744118
Then you don't enjoy art and you never will. You enjoy weird fetish porn you gross freak.

Does anyone have that image of what books you need in order to get good?

How did you guys learn and get better at values?

>>3743634
Why did you draw your self portrait upside down? You're supposed to draw it normally if youre reading the right side brain book

>>3743729
you could really use a big brush with indian/chinese ink for those backgrounds.

>started to regress so bad that I have to start over again

TIME TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH A PENCIL

H A P P Y
N E W
Y E A R

>>3743667
That was a different pose I drew from imagination. If I would have used the same ref the torso would be facing the other way.

Also can you get more specific with the symbol drawing thing? Which parts of the sketch do you mean with it?

>>3744156
Practice shading in squares I guess.
But mostly practice.

>>3744166
Sounds like you didn't make much progress to begin with.
I've only been drawing for a couple weeks and can literally see my improvements.

Did you drop art for a whole year or something?

>>3742564
Depends on how stylized and exaggerated the proportions are. If you do something like Astro Boy then you won’t properly grow as an artist, but if you do a more modern Anime art style like, I dunno, Megalo Box, then only your anatomy knowledge of the face is gonna take Damage at best.
Doing realistic stuff is always the best option for learning though. I recommend it.

>>3744175
I did make a lot of improvements in general overall from where I was a year, a whole lot honestly but just the fact that I'm having trouble with basic bodies or visualizing where things are supposed to go for like the past 2 weeks is making me scratch my head going, what the fuck am I doing

Like I can turn the pages of my sketchbook and see it
From start to today
>Bleh
>Bad
>Meh
>hm
>Ok
>Alright
>Hey that's pretty good
>Hm
>Ok
>Meh
>Oof

And then today I hit Bad, So I think I need to blitz through all the basics again just to understand where things are supposed to go and why my brain stopped thinking on how art works

>>3744138
I dont actually want to draw weird fetish porn I just write that on 4chan to fit in. Mostly I just want to draw youthful males playing and frolicking but somehow that gets an even worse reaction

>>3744186
Oh that's not as bad as you made it sound.
Gotta knock down the weak foundations to rebuild them into strong ones, right?
No problems with that.

>>3744166
Nice Mandy.

What is a site with high resolution reference images for both genders?

>>3741154
Fuck knowing how to derive the head from a sphere.
How the hell do you even draw great circles (circumference length) on a sphere? Is there some construction technique here?

>>3742792
Those hammer toes

>>3742860
Their head and neck look like a hammer

>>3744260
>>3744261
Are you obsessed with hammers or something?

>>3744262
Yes.

>>3744274
Have you ever seen a hammerhead snake?

>>3744244
The circle isn't actually the entire head, the circle represents the cranium of the skull, because we all have a round skull.
Unless you're talking about construction lines on an existing circle and how to properly place them? Maybe use a drawing compass.

What exactly are you having trouble with?

>>3744339
Honestly I thought I had described it properly but if you're asking that means I hadn't.

The two lines that define the face plane seem to be great circles traced along the sphere, the sphere which represents the round cranium.

What I don't understand is a guided method in drawing these great circles properly:

1. The basics of tracing "straight lines" along a sphere. Where does the line begin along the sphere (using whatever reference is the best), where does it end, where does it "middle out" and seem to follow along a chosen straight line.

2. How to choose these characteristics with respect to the character's head tilt and rotation.

I'm just confused on how to draw the 2nd and 3rd line in proper head construction

>>3744358
>>3744339
Forgot to attach pic

>>3744186
You're not drawing in the CENTER SOUTHEASTERN PART OF THE BRAIN ANON.

ps buy my art materials

>>3743849
eyes arent inside the head properly/ floating around/crosseyed

>>3743849
You're supposed to use a mirror if you do traditional. That's why you always see digital artists flip it horizontally.

My first real attempt at surrealism. I'm not entirely proud and have some concepts of why, but I'd like to hear input in case there are bigger snags I'm missing.

I used vine charcoal mostly and detailed with a charcoal pencil.

>>3744157
I found it easier that way

Self portrait, wish I had better pencils, but it's a study anyway

>>3744167
Anyone?

what comes after gesture and figure drawing?

i have been regularly digital drawing and improving steadily, today i tried digital painting and its totally differnt thing, and i dont understand anything, i though you need to be good at drawing before you start painting??? but it feels like total differnt thing, i dunno to what even do

>>3744797
wtf im kinda drunk if it doesnt make sense, you just have to understand what im trying to say, digital painting seems like totally differnt beast, drawing i understand the theory how to study it, but painting it seems arbritary how do you even get goodd at it wtf

>>3743573
>>3743682
thank you for the replies. i definitely read the books from the stickly.

>>3743664
Her right arm is too short.

I am lonely and painting and talking about it with others makes me feel less alone.

happy new years /ic/

Shitty pic of DC's Death. I know the arm is already fucked up and I'm sure there's tons of other stuff I'm missing. Drawing is such obtuse bullshit.

>>3744768
Drapery.

Does anyone have any resources for drawing heads that aren't Loomis and proko. I'm struggling at putting down the structure of these features

Would it be worthwhile for me to go back and study the skeleton again? I went through Hampton's book, and some of AfS (used it for the legs). But while I know the general landmarks, I think the mental images I have for the bones isn't nearly as strong.

Sometimes I feel like I'm doing ok, then other times I'm like "nope I'm still a beginner wtf"

Anyone else feel like they have really good and really bad days or like they have to put their brain in the right gear if they want to make anything decent?

Pic is a very related reminder.

(I know a lot of it has to do with how fast I work but still)

>>3745015
The ratio is

art knowledge/art ability

This determines how you feel about your art, it's also why so many /beg/s who don't know much think they're doing really well.

>>3745015
All the time

>>3741154
my WIP

>>3745046
the reference btw

>>3745046
>>3745047

Very good, I see the likeness. Could use a bit of shading though, and the left eye is a bit off.

Didn't get to post as much as I wanted this year, hell its even been half a year since my last post here. Going to post some drawings that I was planning to post but never did. Hopefully next year I won't be as busy/lazy and post more.

A figure drawing study I did last month.

>>3745051
Another figure drawing study.

>>3745052
A study of someone wearing a full body costume/suit.

>>3745052
And some small animal skull ink drawings I did months back.

This is my first drawing after ~10 years of laziness

Please redline

>>3745086
Cute Cute Cute!!!

is there anything wrong with my drawing

>>3745120
Yes.

>>3744175
>couple weeks and can literally see my improvements
god i wish that were me

>>3744159
yeah a good idea but I did it all with alcohol markers

can someone help me with my anime faces

>>3745308
The eyes look like they're facing front on, but the head itself is angled in another direction.

>>3745312
Yeah I also noticed that, not sure how to really fix it.

>>3745120
Some of the perspective is off, like the left leg and feet, and the face is kinda flat. Other than that it's okay

what exactly are the fundamentals of art?

>>3745177
I'm using Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain, it's helping me alot.

>>3745333
Composition
Perspective
Color/Values
Light
Gestalt
Don't knock me too hard if it's wrong, I'm still /beg/

I'll just leave this here..
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtG4P3lq8RHFRfdirLJKk822fwOxR6Zn6

New thread up guys!
>>>3745441

Hi all. I wonder why i dont finish my sketches. I bought some wacom tablet and i try to make myself comfortable with it. But even as i consider my drawings as a decent ones i just dont end them Here some of my scriblles (sorry for many mistakes in text but i dont give a fuck)

>>3741980
jewish/10