/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Started this after feeling inspired, quickly gave up. Took about 30 seconds

Not bad, you could be great if you practiced a bit but you said you lose focus on it. I'd suggest to stop jerking off, it just eats away your desire and motivation to do the things you like and so puts you in a huge state of procrastination

>>3811914
I like your portraits but I think you might be losing focus because you're sticking with drawing stuff within your comfort zone. You should push yourself to try some more full body, dynamic poses. Maybe do some gesture drawings and build up from there.

>>3811914
How old are you.

>>3811914
How long have you been drawing?

>>3812004
>p-please say you've been drawing for longer than me
every time

>>3811983
Noted
>>3812004
29
>>3812010
On and off since childhood. Pretty much exclusively drew DBZ from ages 12-20.

>>3812020

I'm 29 too... Why are you asking this stuff? you probably have a day job as well. I can see that these pretty girls are your go-to stuff when you just want to sketch something easy. Can you show something that's more refined or out of your comfort zone?

If you'd rather "jerk off and play vidya, or eat" I don't know why you're even asking any of this. Just keep doing that if it makes you happy or stop doing generic sketch girls and focus on getting better. I don't really know why you even made this thread. Ehh...

>>3812026
Fair enough Anon.

Actually, to make my situation sound even more pathetic, I don't have a job and I am on disability due to illness, so besides dialysis 3 times a week, I literally have all the time in the world to get good.

Jacking it doesn't make me happy, it actually makes me extremely depressed afterwards and like a total degenerate which I absolutely loath. Its just easy to do and requires no skill or mindpower. I try to stay on nofap but usually relapse 2 weeks in. I'm rapidly losing interest in gaming as I'm getting old and I'm not good enough to make money from it (well, maybe, but there's no real scene where I live for that and I don't have a car). I've also been slowly breaking the habit of eating out of boredom/for pleasure.

I think my main issue is I didn't advance my education when it was supremely crucial (high school years/early 20s). Instead I pissed that time away hanging out with retards doing retard shit and frying my brain with excessive pot smoking while having no goals whatsoever.

I just sort of feel like my brain is past its prime and cant properly absorb and withhold new information. But I want it to.

>>3812037
>nstead I pissed that time away hanging out with retards doing retard shit and frying my brain with excessive pot smoking while having no goals whatsoever.
are you me? dont answer that, i dont have kidney problems.
your brain is fine, and you will die soon, so might as well buckle down dat dick as start grinding. im right there with ya pal. i have a problem with making myself draw daily. i try and paint at least an hour each day though.

>>3812037
>>3812037

Okay man. I get you. You kind of sound like me. When I was in my early twenties I was doing a ton of party drugs and I think I might of fucked up the pleasure areas in my brain. Wish I'd drawn back then...

Well maybe if doing the shit you're doing now feels really boring to you, you should try out some new techniques like gouache or digital painting (if you haven't yet).

Really sucks to hear you're having to go through that shit but try to take the best from it... Get good at something (or something).

>>3811914
Firez started around your age and he is like 33 now

>>3812042
Ok, now that I think about it, I've most recently been neglecting practicing since I lost track of a book I downloaded. I literally don't know how I lost it and I can't find it on my laptop. Anatomy for Sculptors? It was really top notch, found myself learning way more from it than actual drawing books. Near the beginning theres a page that compares the lackluster silhouette of an Egyptian statue to a more dynamic Greek one? Anyone have this?
>>3812048
Noted. Thanks anon.

>>3812048
yeah i do digital now, its interesting. i like gauche ok, but im into oils and oil pastels. I have a lot of time on my hands as my house was burned down in the car fire. now i live with my parents in a small town and there are no jobs at all, plus its winter and there is 3 feet of snow and still snowing, my car is stuck for the time being. ive already spent most of my savings and im trying to draw for commissions. im working on one thing, but its taking forever and im forcing myself to make at least a little bit of progress each day. im pretty fucked up over the fire thing and am slowly sinking into a deep depressive state. shit sucks man, but at least im trying... i guess. anyways, keep on keepin on man. hopefully we can dig ourselves out of this hole we are in.

>>3812057
neglecting practice is a hard thing to stop when youre down at the bottom, but you are drawing on this thread, so keep it up. there is a art book thread with tons of mega links. one of them will probably have what you are looking for, so go check that out.

>>3812067
i mean camp fire, not car fire. my head all fucked up lately sorry about that.

>>3812067

So wait are you OP or the other guy? Oh well, who cares at this point. I'm the 29-yo guy from before. Get some medication if possible but no SSRI stuff. I couldn't keep going without the shit I'm taking atm. It's not a sure solution but when you're really fucked in the head you gotta try.

>>3812057
>>3811914

Did a quick, little painting over your sketch. Hope you don't mind. I don't ever really paint pretty girls bit I liked your sketches so I gave it a shot <3. Anyways. I hope you can get to digital stuff too. Would love to see what you produce if you get to fuck around in Photoshop and I hope you get better man!

>>3812091
That’s not me posting about the fire. I feel for that guy tho.

Yo, I’m flattered and humbled by your painting, it’s dope. And thanks for kind words anon.

>>3812037
>>3812042
fellow uneducated boomer here, 28
we're gonna make it

>>3811915
I really really really really like those eyes. Heck, the whole expression is just a bitch. I hate her already. Great work!

I'm 29 too with no job (don't need one right now), literally all day for art and $1500 for supplies. How can I become God-tier with the time I have? Srs question

>>3814121
>don’t need one
welfare leach

>>3814121
All day isn't enough, but maybe if you have all-decade.

>>3811915
reminds me of caisne's females for some reason

>>3814149
I know that, I was being hyperbolic. I have all day for at least a year, possibly two if I reshuffle finances. I just want to get as good as I can while I still have this time to dedicate to it with full focus.

>>3811915
You can actually shade at conception, which is a skill I just simply can't fathom

wall of text incoming, 1/3 (?)

>>3811914
looking at your drawings and seeing how you mention anatomy for sculptures helping you a lot I can stop feeling how alike we are

I was like you until recently. Drawing from refs is boring because I dont feel I learn that much, drawing from imagination does not allow me to get any kind of flow and feels like something to push thru, and I know thats not the way of making it.

Ive had an evrika moment recently and since then I actually feel like I am learning when drawing. Not at a very good pace because i am still lazy, but atleast when I invest the time I actually feel like learning something, and drawing from imagination feels less and less like a chore the more I learn. I am sure at this rate Ill reach a point where imagination drawing will become my way of procrastination.

There are 2 big things which I learn to contribute to this. One is that drawing from memory == drawing from imagination. When somebody draws from imagination he actually remembers how various things look like and then combines them to create something new. Using the same thinking but backwards, one can learn to draw from imagination by forcing yourself to draw from memory various objects. Those objects which you will be able to draw from memory will become your visual memory, what you use to combine into new things.

I actually knew this for like a year now but still each time I tried to draw I felt constrained by my refs. I would find myself in a loop of searching for refs of something at a certain angle, because I had another ref which would show a face of an object, but not the other, so when I would try to draw it from memory at various angles I would have to improvised at the angles I did not know, and my drawings felt constrained by the refs in the way that I could not draw the objects except for the shown angle.

2/3

>>3814250
Here comes the second part, which is made up by 3 things, shadows, settei and distortions. Whenever I find a ref showing an object only from an angle and I want to draw it from any angle to familiarize myself to it, and do it. And the parts which I dont have refs for I put them in shadows. This allows me to learn by not stooping to search for refs, to enjoy the drawing process by getting into a flow, again by not stopping for ref searching, and get some cool drawings at the end of the day to be proud of. Very important factor for your ego which gets beaten on a regular basic by crappy drawings.

Then there is settei. Settei is the japanese word for characters sheets. Its very easy to find artbooks for anime shows in the artbooks thread, and they are usually filled with settei pages. From here you can learn to draw from memory characters to put into your worlds. Very easy because they usually show the characters from various angles and even have side drawings with details and such. Dont worry about trademarks or those call your art low because its fanart. You are doing this to learn, and what you learn can always be mixed later on to create your own things.

3/4

>>3814252

And lastly, which is also the last thing Ive learned to allow me more flow when drawing from imagination, distortion. Dont be afraid to distort your drawings for various reasons. But for this you also need good refs. For example Ive been struggling for years, literally, learning how to draw crazy perspectives like kjg. And while I still cant imitate his feats because Ive just started building up my visual memory so I dont have subjects to fill in my world, Ive atleast learned how to distort in a satisfactory manner for me. Just last weak I got a cheap lens kit (~10$) for my phone, and while I was messing around with the fisheye lens I also discovered my phone had panoramic view. Doing a panoramic view with fisheyes lens opened my eyes.

I always wanted to make my drawings like you are there, in the middle of it, like all the characters you draw are surrounding you, and interaction with the world, and being in correct perspective at the same time. Ive struggled doing that for years, and in 2 mins with one panoramic view with fisheye lens opened my eyes to the kind of distortion I can do to create that.

I wont post that because I dont want to post my room on 4chan, its 2400 so I am not going out, and my drawings are still at your level, but its cheap and its something you have to experience for yourself. Also thats not the single kind of distortion but I am telling you this because its show you have to actually see a distortion to understand it and be able to replicate. So keep your eyes peeled for this kind of experiences.

Now comes the hard part, you have all the tools you need to learn, now you have to actually put in the time and effort to learn.

>>3814253

To recapitulate, key words: memory drawing, shadows for unknown, settei, distortions (this also includes bend limbs, foreshortening etc, but i feel learning to draw a fisheye panoramic view of a place will teach you how to bend any volumes to your will).Oh right, another thing which I remembered now so I am going to add it here. Getting a bit of a god complex is good for drawing. Objectifying everything and thinking you own something once youve learned to draw it, will allow you to think more freely when imagining what you can draw with your subjects from memory.

>>3812057
go look at the links in the artbook thread op, its in there

>>3811978
Jerking off spares you from intrusive thought would break your focus.

>>3814283
if something breaks your focus you were not in the flow in the first tiem

>>3811914
Am in similar situation OP, 28, just recently decided to hunker down with art as I'm pursuing a uni degree in illustration/design. but I've been sitting on my ass the last few years developing an alcohol addiction and scraping by with the bare minimum.

Did same thing as you when I was younger, lots of partying and drugs and fucking around, in retrospect, it might have been a good thing though because it gave me a lot of time and space to really figure out which direction I wanted to go in without any pressure to conform, yeah... it took time but that's better than waking up in a shitty dead end job at 40 with nothing to show for it, at least you had fun.

I also think that your brain getting fried from that shit is a positive in a way. Normies have no conception of the crushing lows or amazing highs, those moments open up a whole world for you to tap into with your art IF you can break past the mental blocks.

My biggest hurdle is actually starting the day, it can get overwhelming without direction, but even just 1 drawing is a step forward. Just DRAW, I think once you decided to start drawing you'll find that you can't stop.

>>3811978
Not even OP, that's my worst fucking problem. Whenever I'm in the thick of drawing anything, the urge hits me hard.

>>3814283
No. That's a spook.

Why people on this board keep struggling so much but they're not willing to reach out to pros for advice. You won't make it without solid feedback because you don't know wtf are you doing. If you really want to improve find a pro who's willing to give you lessons for money. It takes years to get good and on your own you'll keep walking in circles and wasting time.

>>3815437
yes goyim...you will never get anywhere without paying the experts like my cousin Larry to show you the ropes...who is this Proko you speak of again?

>>3815459
Lmao what, so why 99% of people here who just watch online tutorials make threads like this one and wonder why they won't improve for years. I barely watched proko, but vilppu seems better. But if you think you can get pro without critiques from good artists then good luck. You need a decent foundation and just copying books is not going to be enough unless you're a real genius. You need a feedback on your work and what particularly you do right/wrong. I'm not saying throw your money for some doubtful classes, but if you can't make friends with good artists and ask them for a critique then paying a pro will be very beneficial. Here too many beginners will circulate some shit they heard, you could get a good critique sometimes too but you need a quality feedback as often as you can.

>>3815516
I don't have any good artist friends, and I don't have money

>>3814197
Sorry anon, I must come clean. The "shading" is lifted from an old painting. Although I wasn't just mindlessly copying. But yeah, it didn't come out of my brain.