/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

this one is kind of shit

>>4120463
naw it's good. thanks for your opinion.

>>4120448
plz help

idk what im soing

>>4120495
looks like old console concept art

good thread lol

haven't been drawing enough. feeling rusty. is steve huston friend still posting here? his stuff really inspires me

>>4120448
Man I gotta say the op picture looks amazing.

>>4120903
>Posters /4/
OP, please

>>4120896
not bad anon, potential here.

>>4120936
thanks fren :)

>>4120448
hey why the heck did you take my drawing from the draw thread?

Lol, guess I'll post it here again.

how do I activate the automatic registration process for my wacom so I could get the dumb free software already? I'm having massive difficulty with it. its an Intuos CTL 6100WL for reference

>>4121048
bro chill, just go along with it while everyone enjoys your sexy drawing.

>>4121056
also dumb question, should I learn traditional first or can I just learn how to draw virtually if I'm mainly just gonna draw virtually if I ever get to a drawing Ievel im ok with

>>4121060
just draw with both
screenless tablet is tough to master better get use to it while your motivation still hot

>>4121060
This is a good question. I actually wanted to buy a tablet when I first started learning to draw, but wasn't sure how much is commit. Instead, I opted for a sketchbook and some drawing materials.

However, my sketch book eventually capped out, and I kept needing to buy drawing materials. A cheap tablet can be under 100$ and is perfect for beginners. Overall, havin bought traditional materials overtime, I have spent atleast 100$ (sketchbooks, coloring pencils, and good erasers). Though it was over a course of a year or so.

So with that being said, I think it's always good to be traditional at first, but maybe not for too long if you want to draw digitally.

i’m dealing major damage trying to fix big anime hair. this is my first time touching oils or doing anything art related in years pretty much, and i feel like the body is turning out weirdly.

>>4121052
I'm guessing you didn't get any responses last time you posted it because there's not too much to comment about.

Here's my issues, as a /beg/ myself:

- Her eyes are a bit too droopy. I understand that's probably what you were going for and not a mistake, but it's not flattering at all and makes it look like a mistake.
- Her entire torso is black or very dark so I can't see what's going on. Makes it feel like a black hole, especially against the black background.
- Her left (our right) arm is good enough, but her right arm:
+ doesn't follow the normal form of human arms
+ there's some sort of wiggle right before her elbow that doesn't fit
+ her elbow juts out wrong

Otherwise there's not much else I can comment about.

I've asked this in /sqt/ but maybe I'll get some help here:

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Help me out, anons. I keep having a rough time placing things on a face without ref. Look...

> draw circle
> eyes along some horizontal line

Now I start having problems.

> how far away are the eyebrows from the eyes?
> if I split the face in thirds, I get hairline/brows/nose/chin, but how am I supposed to split in thirds if I don't have the full face height yet?
> I've done full video courses for both Huston and Vilppu ... it looks like they magically guess the height of the face then divide it in thirds. How?

With ref I can kinda figure it out after a few iterations, but I only realize something's wrong without ref once I'm in too deep.

This is so hard. Pic related.

tl;dr: I cannot construct the position of the chin without guessing.

>>4121100
Dude you already know the method and technique the only way to draw faces from imagination is draw a lot of faces from reference and study a lot of faces, mileage is the key to your problem.

>>4121102
Damn. I fell for the "golden ticket" trap. Time to grind some fucking faces I guess.

>>4121100
Its okay to use references. Don't feel bad.The only people who can do art without any kind of reference are the autistic Asperger spergs that have perfect memory relocation.

Anybody else have this problem

>>4121116
Yeah, sometimes my cat sprouts 2d legs out of her chest, too :/

>>4121098
Thanks for the response man, always looking to improve!

>>4121116
Yeah i always smear my pussy all over my tablet while i draw

>>4121113
Thanks, anon. Yeah I don't see a reason why I'd want to drop references altogether. The grind continues.

>>4121100
Anyway, finally finished. Babby's first attempt at coloring. No bully.

>>4121048
Cause its beginner

Heres another of my Xavier Renegade Angel fanfiction characters

>>4120463
pyw

>>4121052
I would change the face like this, the nose and mouth felt to low and th eye to close to each other also added a 2nd level of shading just to try a bit.

>>4121312
Fellow beginner here. I hear a lot about the importance of the muscles and spooky skeletons beneath the skin. The only way I'm able to draw faces without a reference is if I draw a skull and then go from there. Its not super detailed or anything like that but I get the basic proportions I want from the skull and go from there. The drawing comes about very naturally that way.

How do I find local drawings classes? I keep thinking I found a good one and it either shows pictures of only kids in them or they end up being pottery classes/"Paint a mug with your family!" things. I want a class that teaches me about sketching and drawing.

at what point are you no longer /beg/?

How do I transfer the square down in step 5?

>>4122076
this looks to be done informally so it's probably just eyeballed and you'll be able to do that more accurately with milage but I'll try to tell you how I'd bring it back from informal to formal. forgive if this comes out as jibberish as I've been sipping john collins since noon
there might be a more informal method but it's not known in my drunken state so to my knowledge I would
>extend top and bottom of squares to common vanishing point to determine EL
>extend out perspective 45 from top right to lower right corner of a couple of thestanding squares (because of principles of squares)
>markate intersection of these lines as station point
>plot out real 45 degree angle from sp to el to find a 45 degree reference point for ground plane (either side works)
>cast line back from 45 degree ref. pt. through respective bottom corner of standing square to find correct perspective depth of ground plane square (the depth will be where line from 45 degree ref pt interscts with width of ground plane square converging to your vp on the left
if you don't know formal linear perspective there are plenty of free lectures on youtube
hope to god you read this being that this is the abandoned dupe /beg/ thread of page 3 and it took me like 10m for my drunk ass to write this
cheers

>>4122208
I did and I appreciate it Anon.

Is "the hard round brush is all you need" a meme and bad advice?

>>4122482
No not really. Later on textured brushes are fun but kind of just icing on the cake

>>4122482
Yes and No Answer, it can do 90% of shit you want to do but doesn’t have texture to begin with. I do use it for fun but for more realistic stuff I always use a brush with a slight hint of a texture or a brush that actually works like a real one.

>>4122504
Added bonus, use a hard edge square opacity jitter brush, ditch the round edge one.

>>4122061
when nosebro says leave /beg/

>>4121651
Oh man, this is some good insight. Highly appreciated!

I'm sorry for creating the Chadiest sketch of all time. I swear I didn't mean to when I started.

Does there exist any videos, books or courses that specifically focuses on humans in perspective?

Everything I have downloaded only focuses on landscapes, boxes and buildings but what I struggle the most with is the overlap of body parts on a human when perspective is involved.

Anything would be a great help, thank you.

>>4122932
Loomis' figure drawing book has a section on human perspective I think.

>>4122932
I don't think I've ever seen any BUT you can reduce human forms to simple, characteristic shapes - cylinders, boxes and eggs. If you know your perspective you should have no problem drawing those in perspective. And once you have those done right, then you should be able to drape the muscles and skin and clothing on top.

Also live figure drawing, live figure drawing, live figure drawing.

>>4120448
I'm reposting my post from the degenerate thread >>4121674


I can't into texture drawing.

The only thing I sort of understand it's 50% about how it reflects light and about it sort of pops out around edges, but I fail already at 6A exercise in keys of drawing (the 2 contrasting textures).

I can't get into textures for months, already. Help me, please

>>4121071
fuck fuck fuck

>>4121435
draw bigger, this looks like it was made for ants

>>4122910
what is going on here - are you going to finish this or is this part of a giant page of sketches

>>4122981
man I feel bad for you, I'd just make a black oval around her head to crop out her torso and call it done

>>4123012
>what is going on here - are you going to finish this or is this part of a giant page of sketches

Yes, I'm gonna finish him, my dude. I just looked at this guy and instantly hated his face. Thought I'd share and see if anyone's getting the same reaction.

>>4121435
Lol, as the person who dubbed your drawings as Xavier fanfic fanart, im flattered you kept the name

For the past year or so I've been aimlessly drawing shapes like a retard and every two weeks or so doing something like pic related when a picture I see online piques my interest. Where to go from here if I wanna get better at drawing cute anime girls and cool looking anime boys? Is there anything particularly wrong with my drawing?

are there any free pose/gesture references for gesture drawing? been looking for some but no luck, the one in the sticky is down

>>4123187
https://lmgtfy.com/?q=gesture+drawing

>>4123181
the nose and the shoulders stand out as the worst parts

I really gotta use more references because here I didn't use any it turned out horribly.

rate my midget

Any specific critique? I know the legs are fucked, but I'm not sure how to fix it.

Can anyone tell me why the proportions look weird?

Arms and hands need to be bigger but I don't think they need to be longer.

I don't fuckin know

>>4120448
Nyegh.

hips are shit but at least I've moved on from just faces pointing left....now I can draw em facing right as well.

>>4123910
s'ok just do a page of faces with refs, then a page of faces without refs

>>4123928
looks like a normal person / 10

>>4124153
rotate her right leg a bit to tuck under some more, show more form on the legs with clothing folds or something

>>4124355
where is her right arm? right leg is too tangent to the viewer, rotate it a bit to show the depth

>>4124397
ayyyye at least you are drawing mate - do some more

>>4124397

>>4124397
The hips are like the only thing within reasonable proportion to the head

Tem

>>4124457
Resized Tem

>>4124457
I usually hate the “go study your fundies” shtick, but come on dude. At least go look at a picture of tits. If you can’t tell the difference between yours and theirs, then you’re NGMI

>>4124355
Dude your perspective is like, backwards?
The head and shoulders are angled towards the viewer as though seen from above, but the lower body and feet look like they're seen straight on.
Also arms are fuckin tiny.

>>4124460
???

>>4124479
Yeeaah, NGMI. Sorry bud.

>shitty anime doodles with beach ball tits by horny incels

How embarrassing, this thread is cancer

>>4120448
I don’t know what I’m doing wrong anymore.
I just can’t get the color to look the way I want

>>4124500
You're just begging for a *brap* meme on this piece, aren't you.

>>4124500
niggerlicious

>>4122910
Good work.
Try erasing the guild lines and coloring it

>>4124501
Believe it or not: no.
I got inspired by some Marilyn Monroe and wanted to do a black Loli so this is what happened

>>4124503
Any idea how I can make her look better?

>>4124511
make her white

>>4124517
Why?
You wanna take a crack at coloring her?

>>4124526
no, you already fixed it

>>4124532
This is probably one of the worse attempts at bait i’ve ever seen.

>>4124479
kind of hard to line them up when you gave us such a shit quality photo to begin with

Some Alaskan

>>4124538

>>4124407
>where is her right arm?
Mostly obscure behind her body. I did put lines down to make sure it wasn't too long.

Yeah right leg is fucked. Will rotate because I'm still having trouble visualising stuff coming straight at the viewer,

>>4124473
I don't know how to into perspective

I think part of my issue is that I can only elevate my monitor so high but I'm, still looking down at it on an angle.

Does Loomis hold the key to drawing full figured in perspective? Is there a good video on it anywhere?

>>4124539
those are really nice

>>4124489
Your meme words means nothing to me Art is a hobby
>>4124539
Redline it
I always just draw the boobs saggy and spaced apart because i heard they cant be close together if no bra

any commonalities in what i'm fucking up? tips on how to take better pictures with my phone? any particular mistake you think is worth noting? just wanna call me a faggot maybe? any feedback helps, thanks

it looks weird idk why

>>4124412
Ah, the low effort shitpost, hello old friend :)

>>4124654
Lower eyelashes are a bit low, maybe?

>>4124654

It looks like she was stung in the face by a thousand wasps

>>4124771
you don't like puffy cheeks or i don't see what's wrong

>>4124654

>>4124412
*sigh* I don't know why I enable you.

>>4124835
what to make of it

>>4124407
I just fucking noticed how ugly the face was jesus christ.

Trying to draw a SAA, wouls the cylinder (part not shape) be more down to match the vanishing points of the barrel? It looks odd when changed that way, or should I get rid of thinking what looks right when in a perspective I haven't seen before, much like if a face is up the ears will be oddly low.

>>4124621
Work on prorportion until you're consistent with it, some have great prorportions, while others are bad probably due to the pose understandably

>>4120448
More studies from cartoon animation book. Revisiting the dogs from last time.

>>4125087

>>4125076
I was actually using the vp's of the barrel at first, turns out I should have been following the minor axis, which is painfully obvious

>>4125095
While also following the vp's

>>4121116
Yeah

>>4125263

>>4125264

>>4124504
This was my first foray into digital. Thanks for encouraging me, anon.

Drawing on an Ipad seems to come out completely different from than on paper. Not that I can draw well on paper either.

Is this beg?
Im currently trying to finish shit instead of doing studies all day and copying.

>>4125751
Definitely beg, but good job on finishing. Study anatomy more.

>>4125778
Same fag, this is my other shit Idk why I suck at stylize shit? I think it comes from not copying enough anime art or just stylize crap. For the anatomy part, next month I’ll be grinding anatomy all day.

>>4123928
I've worked a bit on her. what do you guys think

>>4125793
help me, i'm meeellltiiingg..... /gurgles

damn, turns out its true that using cheap paper helps u draw

i was using some watercolor 300g/m shit because I like the rough feel of the surface , got a cheapo 1$ sketchbook and suddenly im busting out pages a day

is there a cheaper paper that still retains that rough surface feeling?

>>4125897

Self taught I've mostly only sketched

Changed the pose a bit, trying to make it seem like his left arm and right leg are not sunk into the bed, and that his head is tilted up

>>4125741
naruto run?

>>4125741
>>4125999

Should my sketches be taking this much time to do? I feel like I should be doing something better to improve line quality without sacrificing accuracy of the model? What else could also be improved?

FUGG

>>4125708
Pretty nice. But your "hatching" on the edge of the shadow should actually follow the form of the face and clothing. As you have done it flattens the image.

>>4125751
post ref if any

>>4126060
from these drawings it looks to me like you're carefully copying contours and shapes rather than thinking about form, which would slow you down yeah. just look at those cloth wrinkles on the 50 minute drawing, or the pelvises on the bottom left drawings, they don't look 3d at all

try going through some ref photos and putting down just bare body masses in space, without any contour at all: torso, head, pelvis, and see how it turns out. like these bridgman mannequins. i think that'll help you figure it out.

>>4126139
>bridgeman
based

eyes

This is from the watts atelier torrent. What does he mean by additional handouts? I don't see any extra handouts in the torrent or is this just another case of the uploader purposely leaving out stuff?

what is a good place to post the stuff I draw?
I guess tumblr doesn't allow porn anymore and deviantart seems outdated

>>4126010
Not intentionally, it just ended up like that.

>>4126406
Goku smoked too much of that rock, didn't he?

>>4125757
by the way it's title is 'white mans defeat 3'

>>4124153
you can leave beg

>>4124542
>>4124538
definitely leave beg

>>4126406
nice talent

hello brethren, it has been quite the epic gamer moment since I have posted work.

>>4126246
I fucking hate these so much, I can't feel the eyeball. Also, from the side, they're much too deep.

>>4125938
I fucking hate her. I want to take her little waist and crush it between my fingers. You're not executing great line design at all, watch that one nosebro screencast about it.

>>4120486
bad form, your guidelines aren't going across the sphere. also, your lines are so badly executed, please do them quicker. The sticky isn't just a discord link, I swear there's useful information there.

how bout some heads

>>4126560
Your problem really lies in how symmetrically you can place the features in perspective. The features just aren't laid out correctly: pay more attention to their position to each other across the center-line.

>>4126553
>I fucking hate her. I want to take her little waist and crush it between my fingers.
what did she do to you, anon

>>4126566
she refused to bed me

i hate you bastard

How do you simplify something like this? The shadows are too soft and spread, so i have no idea how to break down this image on 3 values

>>4126562
do you think i'm also skewing sizes/shapes of features or just fucking up their placement in general

>>4126585
That pic is pretty good. I'm mainly criticizing the placement of the features, the sizes are fine.

For your previous picture, the two drawings on the right have their features placed wrong. The problem is in the incorrect conception of the mass of the head. That is, the ball + jaw was drawn warped and without form. And then you inevitably laid the guidelines on top of that form wrong.

>>4126553
>watch that one nosebro screencast about it.
you mean these?
https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cFjFi5qbhk
https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cFjFitqbhU

>>4126553
you literally laughed at a joke i made about artists who do this 2 weeks ago.

Decided to take a break from learning to take an old OC and wanted to try doing it in PS.
Also I have no idea how light works.

>>4126611
nice talent.

It's troublesome dealing with construction lines on paper, I think I will have to try to draw them incredibly lightly in future. They are just annoying anyway.

>>4126821
Get a gel pen, fibre pen, marker or fineliner to do the finishing lines. In this case you can easily erase the construction lines or just ignore them as pencil lines are too light compared to the black ink.

>>4126581
I am not sure if you mean this ro something else but here is one way. You decrease the opacity so that the value get washed out and draw over the darkest areas in black then add some greys where the edges are softer. In real life you achieve the same effect by squinting your eyes just using digital technology.

>>4126859
Thanks, this will work much better than my proximity of throwing random values at point of getting lost and making a mess.

At what skill level is buying a tablet worth it?

>>4126889
whenever you want if you're not gonna let that money go to waste

>>4126603
You replied to me only when you knew I was sleeping. Coward.

>>4126958
Understood.
I'll try to figure out if I really want to sink a larger amount of resources into drawing before doing anything.

Hey anons, would love some feedback. Been grinding construction. Not sure where to go next but I need a break from my current grind.

>>4127023
>this is your brain on Loomis

>>4120448
started drawing six months ago and I still suck. what I need to do to get better /ic/bros?

Why markers in corel painter are so fucking hard to handle. I figured out how this thing build up, but problem is if i rendered messy, i must restart from scratch. (It's not like photoshop brush which covering up stuff) honestly this thing is even harder than real markers
I'm using pen tablet by the way

>>4127120
use the color-picker hot key to pick the color you want to match off the image. I have the color picker key on one of the pen buttons.

>>4125708
Much Better

>>4127145
idk what are you tryinh to sayi already know it's alt key

how do you follow stuff like bob ross when painting digitally? i have no ideea what titanium white means or ultramarine blue.

>>4127119
draw from ref more

is drawabox any good for an absolute beginner?

>>4127173
yes, go do it

>>4127165

You could try emulating in corel painter but I wouldn't bother doing it. Just buy the supplies.

>>4127097
Damn she's thicc

>>4125757
Why is the man symbol behind her and what is the eagle doing on the podium?

>>4126495
Bit much innit?

>>4127223
yea but i wanna do it digitally.

I know there's no real fix but start again but what did i do wrong to make them look like dead 55 y/o?

>>4127278
Reference

>>4121435
people symbol drawing birds is my new trigger.
look up a reference idiot, you fucking idiot, you complete idiot, you hopeless, hopeless fool of an idiot

>>4127278
You need to work on a better foundation and mapping before rendering, study planes, skulls and abstractions. Why they look older is because basically every line or mark will age a person.

which is better

>>4127296
right by far

>>4127296
The facial proportions are out in the left imo, her nose and eyes are too far away from her mouth.

I've seen a lot of professionals say to beginners that you should spend 50% of your time practicing and doing exercises, and the other 50% of your time should be drawing for fun.

What do they mean drawing for fun? Do they mean just drawing whatever the fuck you want?

Why would someone ever say that to a fucking beginner? That makes no sense.
How am I expected to "draw for fun" when I don't even know how to fucking draw in the first place.
What am I expected to draw? do they just want me to make shitty anime fan characters
What the fuck

>>4127341
do you have a thing that you want to be able to draw?
or at least one artist that you would like to draw like?

How do I know what values and hues to use when painting faces?

>>4127346
yeah, there are tons of things i want to draw. but how am i suppose to draw them if i don't even understand the most basic fundamentals.

i would just be copying down shit with no idea what or why i'm doing anything. not to mention it would look like dog shit

>>4127341
something like this, anon
>>4127023
>>4125924
>>4117455

>>4127354
doing something > not doing anything

>>4127341
Just draw using what fundies you have been practicing to the best of your ability. Might need to get a little "creative" in making art w/o using techniques you don't have the hang off yet, but that's learning for ya?

>>4127287
I may be a complete brainlet because understood nothing about the first part

>>4127354
copying shit with no idea what your'e doing is more helpful than you probably imagine. Also, the part where you try to make something not look like dog shit is the fun part, regardless of whether you succeed. If that doesn't sound fun to you then yeah, you're going to need some different advice, but for a lot of people who draw, the process itself is enjoyable. That's how it is for me, so I don't think I can give you better advice.

>>4127363
>slam head on piano for two hours

>"well hey, it's better than nothing, am I right?!"

You're legitimately fucking retarded. holy shit

>>4127379
so you're saying you couldn't hit 2 buttons on the piano to make some simple melody?

>>4127379
Your concept of drawing is to pic pencils and throw them at the paper?

>>4127399
That's literally what you're doing when you're drawing and don't know anything about the medium.
You can't tell someone "just copy this drawing, it doesn't matter if you don't know anything about art, just do your best"

That would be like "it doesn't matter if you don't know how to play piano, just try your best to play this song"
WHAT
???????????????????????

fucking idiot

>>4127405
So you are supposed to magically learn the basics, got it

>>4127296
The one on the right is way more appealing

>>4127408
So you're just a troll, got it.

Picked up loomis for the first time.Sorry for the bad picture quality

>>4127412
Curious because i was thinking the same thing about you
But again, this is /ic/, without loomis telling you what to do you don't actually do shit so of course you don't understand the point of doing random drawing when you are a beginner

>>4127368
Plan better
Shade later

>>4127405
If you gave someone a piano and like, some nursery rhyme melody on a music player, and you said "hey make this big black and white thing make the same sounds as this little thing does when you press this button", I think the vast majority of people would be able to do this, if they gave two shits enough to try. Are you functionally retarded? Would you just start slamming your head against the piano? Is that how you got this way?

>>4122899
Seriously, not op but who the fuck is that and why should I care about some namefag?

>>4127442
>so of course you don't understand the point of doing random drawing when you are a beginner

Yet you haven't given a single reason how it's beneficial in this entire conversation.


How odd.

>>4127462
You understand how your medium work and react to different type of techniques you are using

>>4127379
>slam head on piano once
>sound like shit
>have a brain, change what I'm doing and use hands
>sounds a little better
Same as drawing, you decide to draw an eye, it looks like shit the first time, the second it will be better. This of course implies you actually give a shit about improving and you don't want to whine that there's noone that give you an instruction manual on how to make step by step the fucking mona lisa

>>4127296
is this a real question?

>>4127510
I just personally feel that the journey is more important than the destination in drawing. I could copy a drawing a thousand times over until it finally looks perfect, but that's not very satisfying to me.
I would rather understand why things are drawn the way they are, how things are suppose to work in 3D space, how perspective and construction work.
I think those things are more important then just making something that looks nice.

It's honestly kinda sad that you don't agree. There's a reason why math teachers always tell you to show your steps, because they don't care if the final answer is wrong or right, they only care how you got there.

I'm trying to get back into drawing and I was gonna use the Loomis link that's in the sticky/wiki.

It's dead, just straight up says Access Denied to me.

Any know where else I can get the download?

I find most of my life drawing has a relatively flat, somewhat stiff look, I realize shading can help with this but when I look at sketches of artists I really like such as Frazetta, it's clear you get a sense of movement and 3d space. So I guess I want advice on perspective, I think my proportions are pretty ok. Do axis lines really help that much? I underuse them, because I find the more guidelines I put down the blocky-er a character turns out. I'm going through Bridgmans life drawing currently.

>>4127550
A sketchbook page of mine with more figures

>>4127550
>>4127551
And one more that probably highlights my struggle with 3d characters the best

>>4127550
Unironically drawabox.com
Also try that meme tornado perspective bullshit. It's dumb, but it helps you realize when you don't know what you're doing.

>>4127537
Dude come on. Learning on your own doesn't mean xeroxing. It means using your fucking brain instead of being spoon fed every goddamn thing. You have to be deliberately misunderstanding at this point

>>4127537
>journey is important, not the destination
>but not doing random bad drawing, that's stupid because i cannot draw

>>4127352
still not got an answer for this. I do want to know, I've tried painting faces in a variety of ways but can't seem to ever get them looking great.

>>4127560
So you're saying that anyone can solve a calculus problem just by looking it, even if they've never once studied math in their entire life?
All that have to do is "use their brains" and eventually they'll solve it?


Oh my god you're a genius. Why do we even have art classes? Why doesn't everyone just learn art on their own.

>>4127584
Well Newton invented calculus that way, so yeah fuck you. But less flippantly, trying something when you're not entirely sure how to do it can often clarify what you don't understand in a way that's not as obvious when someone is just telling you what to do. It makes it much easier to understand the purpose of what you're being taught. And sometimes you genuinely discover something for yourself before you're explicit taught it, and that feels great and probably sticks with you more than another thing

>>4127589
And before you get all "Newton studied some math first though!", he started coming up with infinitesimals before he read Euclid's elements and learned any trigonometry, so fucking close enough. Everybody has finger painted or some bullshit and has some idea of what the goals and possibilities of illustration are

Kinda lost my groove after a long time of not drawing

Can anyone recommend an alternative to Loomis Fun with Pencil.
I want to practice basic construction on something I'm more interested in, like animu or western comic style.
Are there any options as good as Loomis in different styles that you would recommend?

Can I get a critique on this? First time drawing mega milkies, because it's a hilarious term. It's for the minotaur in the tower girls thread.

>>4125410
>>4125598
Thank you for the comments. I'm afraid I don't know anything about Ambient Occlusion and I'm about to look up some information about it, so I don't know where you want me to add stronger values to make it more readable. I'm also not sure where to start making the hands and face more legible besides drawing over them on a separate layer with a rough outline to cement the forms without breaking the silhouette. I was just gonna jump right into blending the values and making it read better from there. Pic related, but I wasn't content with the process and decided to try again but apply all my knowledge of the female anatomy of the torso to the painting on a separate layer to make sure I know what I'm doing.

>>4127642
Look up various references close to the ideal image that you want and use those to determine whether of not you think it's passable. In my opinion, I think the right breast is too stiff; I'd draw it conforming around her torso in order to show off how soft they are. In addition to that, I'd like to reccomend using a soft contour for the areola's edge closest to the sternum, makes the juggers that much more appealing.

>>4127637
Hampton's course on gesture drawing supplemented with the drawabox courses could help with construction and making sure your forms are drawn proportionately and accurately, imho. It'd help to learn that so you can start drawing your Korean cartoon shit after getting proficient enough.

>>4127278
Attempted a paint-over. Not really advice worthy, but I tried

>>4127798
Why did you switch to digital so suddenly? Anyway, the new one is an improvement in a way in terms of correct anatomy and the values are better, but the values aren't as varied. To fix that, I think you should just simply push them a bit more and illustrate more hard shadows in addition to the soft ones you've recognized. For example, the male's neck should use more hard shows and his hair's highlights should be brighter than they are in your image. If you are familiar with using textures, it wouldn't hurt at all to use them in your drawing to really give a better feel all around, it's very apparent that you used only one brush to get this done; which is fine, but not an ideal thing you want to be noticed. Again, I want to reiterate that you did an excellent job of the placement of the facial features on this and I want to let you know I'm proud of you.

>>4126532
>definitely leave beg
in time

Ahh I just wanna draw and get rid of those weird feelings.
But I just sit there unable to do anything

>>4127827
What is your goal in the pursuit of arts, anon? From what you've posted, I feel like you use it as a conduit as a way to express thoughts more so than making pretty pictures. Kind of like a journal or a diary that focuses on visuals more than words.

>>4127834
Let the absence of action inspire you. The greatest things in existence are created from and by the magic of nothing.

>>4127729
Thanks for the advice, how do you see these improvements? Was I understanding your direction?

Loomis said I should be able to construct these. I don't think I did it good

>>4127838
>What is your goal in the pursuit of arts, anon? From what you've posted, I feel like you use it as a conduit as a way to express thoughts more so than making pretty pictures. Kind of like a journal or a diary that focuses on visuals more than words.
That's fascinating to me but I'm not certain if I know what you mean. I want my art to be funny and inventive but also conversant and personable, where many details are incorrect but the ideas are fully seen through. My sketchbooks are admittedly an outgrowth of my notebooks, which contain many drawings at the header or in the margins. A number of disciplines may have cross-contaminated.

>>4124497
Post your work (You) autistic crab.

>>4127637
I really like this one

>>4127848
It looks much better to me, looks much softer in comparison. Did you find a lot of references to look at for what you wanted to illlustrate? Also, did you really intend for the nipples to be as soft and sublte as the areola or were they supposed to be more rigid?

>>4127852
Don't follow Loomis too closely. His stuff is better as an introduction into understanding what you need to study and how, the what being the fundamentals of art; construction in particular. Your faces are okay, but I think you'd benefit more from being able to visualize the basic shapes that make up the facial features and everything else after the fact. Try to focus more on the simple stuff and then adding details onto it, perspective will play a huge role in that.

>>4127861
Thanks. I found a decent ref. At first I wanted them to be hard like the original, but the idea of soft ones looked sexier to me. Thanks again for your feedback.

>>4127861
>Forms and perspective
I guess I should get into Draw-a-box
Ty for responding

i responded to several anons, my browser reloaded and deleted it

i am tired, so I cannot respond to you again.. im sorry bros

also, sorry for low quality today. i suck dick with ballpoint and i suck dick at motorcycles

>>4127872
Study more motorcycles retard. Go to sketchhub and search for motorcycles and draw them over and over again.

>>4127834
Lift weights for an hour. It's like winding your drawing arm up. Your hands will be itching to do draw afterwards.

How do I blend/render without it looking overworked and losing all value? I'm happy with how my digital paintings look up to a certain point, but I feel like when I try to soften edges and blend colors, I lose a ton of value/form/readability.

>>4127729
Looks like Drawabox could help me a lot, thanks for the suggestion. As for Hampton, you're talking about pic related, right?

>>4127859
Thank you!

>>4127926
pyw so we can better tell you what you're really messing up on

>>4127637
Are you a Lucian Freud fan?

Just started drawing about a month ago. I used a photo reference for this, it has flaws for sure but I’m proud of it. Mostly just trying to use pen and ink.

>>4127942
I mean, yeah, but I'm not trying to draw like him or anything.
I just can't draw a symmetrical faces or even correct proportions yet because I haven't learned how to construct properly (pic related).

Can someone point mistakes in this? I think I messed up the face somehow, especially the eyes, but it's just a vague feeling so I can't catch it.

>>4127820
It wasn't me
>>4127798
I appreciate it anyways, will try again soon

>>4128024
I don't think the face is messed up. It just seems like the face isn't reacting to what happened and is looking somewhere else. Nice use of perspective, though. I'd just make the face more 'reactive to the situation. Like turn her head to look at the person.

The archer should be looking at the guy that got shot, because the perspective leads our eye to the shot warrior.

>>4127455
he's one of the few to finish and fully complete proko's online course. for some reason people find that reason enough to listen to him

what would be the quickest way to learn how to render? I'm not looking for shortcuts but rather a good workflow. I didn't clean up the lines, i just threw some quick colors to see how it does look.

>>4128131
Paint realistically and copy a lot of paintings, and do studies like values and shit

>>4127517
i did both so yes

>>4127241
>man symbol
It's the female symbol turned to the position of the man symbol to symbolise the new order.

>>4127892
was doing from imagination fag, will consider reffing though

>>4128208
The only time u draw from ur noggin is with a lot more drawings of motorcycles from copying and studying hundreds of them

>>4128226
draw ten motorcycles, side view, from reference.
then, draw a few more times without ref in side view, adapt into perspective.

do this for each type of motorcycle, you win.

i did shit because i didnt focus much on specific areas in my preliminary studies, but it's unnecessary to go as far as you suggest. I've merely suggested the general idea of a motorcycle, but if I wanted to take the time, which is significantly less than you propose, it'd be possible to perform better. drawing from imagination isn't that hard, proko.

>>4125089
freeze frame some of your favorite cartoons and do a few pages of pose studies

>>4125944
blah blah blah don't used lined paper etc etc

>>4126065
u like Digimon? finish it

>>4126109
keep drawing, do another page of heads in boxes

>>4127020
work on your composition, do some thumbnail studies of favorite movie frames

>>4127415
what did you learn? draw more heads

>>4127635
there should be pages of figure drawings, why do you only have 1?

>>4127952
do some more, these are cute

>>4127963
work on your volume shading

>>4128016
>>4128015
nice

>>4128149
just ink about 2k more drawings and you are good to go

>>4128229
For me drawing things by the hundrenth time from reference in different angles and perspectives solidifies fully in my head to the point i could freehand like kim jung gi, ofc the result isn’t as good but still shows a lot of detail and depth. Literally best advice is just draw more and study more.

Trying to practice values. Havn't done many of these so not sure if i'm doing it right

>>4128269
Try making the pic black and white if you're just starting to practice.

drew a hamplanet

>>4127119
Drawing is not an overnight process

practicing lines and shapes
trying to draw more loosely

I'm pretty happy with where my figures are going but I'm a little unsure of when I should move on to a next major subject (hands/feet/faces). I'm tempted to just keep grinding it out for a while longer just to improve my speed/accuracy in drawing the figure.

>>4128379
Learn more anatomy and how the body masses behave in action. How muscles deform, etc. You seem to omit the idea of squash and stretch in any meaningful way from your figures. Focus on that kind of stuff.

Enough for me
Don't want to finish this piece of crap
How people draw cute faces? Mine look like fucking down syndrom shit.

Should I avoid using the Levels option when it comes to fixing my values? Or is it fine as a lesson to see where your values lacked?

>>4128442
Study Moe anime, it will do you good.

I tried to do a big Bob Ross Painting this weekend. I was unable to finish and it turned into a tree study. I'm letting it dry before I try to fix all that's wrong with it. 48x36" oil on canvas. I don't paint with his technique, but there are certain things that I like about it. The trees on the left are awful. The tree on the right covers up too much of the center. suggestions are more than welcome.

>>4128472
if it's a study avoid it
if it's for paid job use whatever you can

>>4128442
draw alot of faces, study children/teen facial features and proportions

>>4128379
those are good
why can't you do both?

>>4128269
you should practice more about getting a good line work/sketch before doing values, you do have a a sense of form but it's not quite there

>>4128487
does anyone have a dump of vilppus figure drawings? I have the drawing manual

How can I learn to draw if i cant even trace pictures. i have the motorskills of a fucking chimp

>>4128550
start with shapes, fill a4 sheets with circles cubes and lines going from one end to another in one stroke aiming to be straight and uniform gap between each. dont hold your pencil near the tip.

>>4128554
>dont hold your pencil near the tip.
wait why the fuck does that work. its not a lot better but I can see more consistency immediately

How do people see the form of the body when pictures when clothes or hair block part of the body? Is it just understanding of other body parts and internalizing what should be?

>>4128557
it should be taking some movement away from your wrist and getting your elbow and shoulder into it instead. not that wrist isnt useful, learn your pencil strokes and when to use them. but if youre drawing sheets worth of shapes, chances are youd end up with a sore hand with a death grip on the tip of a pencil, this avoids that.

>>4128487
There is no real reason why I couldn't do both but part of me fears that if I split my time up I might not solidify certain things, although I'm not sure if that's a legitimate fear.

What's the difference between bad anatomy and ''stylized' anatomy', it's that one is sort of intentional and the other not? does your actual knowledge matter if the final result looks the same?

>>4128589
Stylized anatomy is going to bend reality in a manner that looks appealing, bad anatomy will just look bad and you can't really expect to have stylized anatomy without first having regular good anatomy.

>>4128442
Her face looks kind of like Juleka from Miraculous Ladybug. Just do studies of girls you find cute. Also Juleka and Rose are best couple.

why is my drawing shit anons?

>>4128334
Wow how did you do a self portrait facing away from the canvas? Two mirrors?

>>4128269
Start with two values then quickly move to three values. Hard brush, no opacity. Two values can tell a story. Three values can show a form: light, half tone, shadow. Then add in a fourth and fifth value: highlight, halftone, reflected light, form shadow, cast shadow, ordered lightest to darkest. Most paintings can be broken down this way and you can start to incorporate concepts like ambient occlusion (areas where light cannot reach, I see it as a kind of form shadow), and local value (important in getting grayscale pictures to read well).

>>4128487
>you do have a a sense of form but it's not quite there
Not sure what you mean by this, wouldn't doing values help with understanding form? You're right about lines being messy, i dont put much effort towards them when doing quick sketches

Guys, I've recently taken up painting with acrylics and I'm having a hard time with buildings, roads, bridges etc. I know quite a bit about perspective (I'm studying architecture in school) but when it comes to the brushwork/colors I can't get it right.The walls end up looking really flat and even though I can "calculate" the shading, I'm having a hard time with the concept of "value" and stuff. Are there any materials that can help me with painting cityscapes and street scenes? Thanks.

>>4128672
>wouldn't doing values help with understanding form?
you should understand form before applying values.
painting values is describing how the light is interacting with the form, basically understand how the object exist in 3D space.

what i meant is that you should describe the form of the model with lines better.
of course you could draw the silhouette and then apply values if you are really good

also you can always draw messy lines and then with a new layer on top draw cleaner lines, it really helps when you try to paint it afterward

>>4123012
It’s called beginner for a reason so unless you’re going to stop snip snapping at people and give actual criticism fuck off

I got lazy with this one sorry

I was having fun with the kick but then I couldn't draw the kicking leg in any convincing way So I just turned it into straight lines

>>4128769
What are you talking about? Did you mean to respond to someone else? Anon you responding to gave legit critiques: it's a good idea to draw on a big piece of paper, it's a good idea to push your studies to completion instead of leaving them as sketches and sometimes it's a good idea to scrap a project that is overwhelming or way too difficult.

Honestly, if beginners would actually listen instead of throwing tantrums at legit advice, /ic/ would be a much better place. Faggot.

>>4128966
Values don't seem contrasted enough in your painting.

>>4128968
Good point - thanks!

Did 1-B in keys to drawing

Where is this from?

can’t draw mouths to save my life

loomis attempts

>>4129249
and hampton studies off the video

work in progress for a contest. black white and green only. Suggestions are more than welcome. Especially on how to warm up green. I really have a difficult time working with green.

>>4120448
Practicing basic Stuffs

is it bad to copy another artist drawing if you do it just for fun and not to study

>>4129295
Is it possible for you to get a better pic with less glare? Looks neat so far tho

>>4129328
Tomorrow I can. It’s the lighting combined with the wet paint.

Starting off with Loomis and I'm digging his style for people. It gives off that old Americana style if it's even called that or something you would see in an old noir comic or something. Is there a name for it so I can study it more? I'm still shit.

A couple of morning strokes with my tablet before standing up from bed.

more skulls

I dried drawing some butts and I think the top right is the best one, still not great though.

Test hello

>>4120448
How would you construct this face, step-by-step?
Been a while since I've done construction with FWaP and realized I can't quite get it right again.

>>4129673
Forgot pic, sorry

>>4129325
You should study and copy artists you admire, just don't stick to a single one or you'll learn to be a rip-off.

>>4129328
This is the best I can do with the glare. Actually I’d love some advice on lighting my studio properly. Maybe I’ll make a thread about it because the lighting in my studio is not working for me. I get a really bad glare when the paint is wet.

>>4129844
I'd say *maybe* have the shadow of the planet stand out a little more and not have it blend into the sky as much. Then again like you said it could be the lighting of your studio, pretty good nonetheless, I love murky ethereal type stuff.

Started lines and shading on this dude last night

I keep hearing that you should never chicken scratch, and your lines should be confident, but when i watch some professionals draw gesture, they seem to do (what I as a novice) would call chicken scratching. I might be completely misunderstanding the term, but I see the people teaching gesture draw over their lines multiple times. Please could someone explain what's going on?

>>4130121
Drawing over your lines is fine, that's called restating. Chicken scratching is when you make many small strokes from your wrist to create a larger line piece by piece.

>>4128674
The thumbnail looks like blue Hitler lol

>>4130870
nah lol

First time I've ever attempted to draw on a computer. I know it's whack and shitty. Right now I'm trying to get the breasts at least close to good. I'm using this for drawing my own character in a TTRPG game I'm playing. I know I'm shit compared to the rest of you, but please help me out. I can't figure out what I'm missing here.

whats up /ic/. I've recently been trying to get my fire back for drawing and decided to start doing digital art. It took a while but I'm starting to better adjust to using a tablet w/o a screen. Any tips you can give me on my sketch and on how to make better use of the tablet.

I'm using manga studio EX btw.