/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4267052
If you’re asking this, you’re not going to actually do this.

another one of these threads huh...

Anon, if you’re worse than him and asking a question like that....I don’t know what to tell you.

>>4267052
The only people that draw for more than 6 hours are non-begs and begs in their pre-burnout phase.

>>4267052
Why are you asking a question like that when this guy’s art is /beg/?

5 weeks if you actually know how to stufy

>>4267095
wait now that i actually opened the image, more like 5 days

>>4267097
Come on. If he’s never picked up a pencil to draw before, it’ll probably take at least 2 weeks or so.

>>4267106
Yea definitely 2 weeks. Anymore than that you’re actually a NGMI.

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>>4250015

HOLY SHIT ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? AND OUR BOY FIREZ CAN PAST 60BURGERBUCKS A MONTH


I JUST CAN'T /ic/ I JUST CANT

>>4267120
*CANT*

>>4267120
Shit like that have that many patreons?? What the actual fuck?

>>4267052
>>4267120
COOM

>>4267120
>Wagecuck pay at most
>3rd world shithole pay at worst
>This is supposed to be alot

>>4267120
>he doesn’t realize aesthetic trumps skill anyday

>>4267144
Let’s see how much your art is making

>>4267052
About a week or two at most, that art sucks ass

>>4267052
>>4267120
As much as I want to shit on this art, but they are making more money than me when my art is better...

>>4267120
It all depends on what you draw and what your style is.
I don't like firez's focus on feet and the way he draws faces, for example, and yet, I can appreciate the technical aspect in the drawings.

>>4267052
A year

>>4267052
Be a bro and post the NSFW version, please.

>>4267205
No

>>4267120
>everything from the previous tiers
>when you could just get the 2nd tier to effectively get "everything from the previous tiers"

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>>4267052
4 weeks

>>4267120
A subtle art redpill. The reason why this dude is getting money and attention and you’re not is cause they draw what people want to see.

Your drawings can be better but nobody will give a shit about it because when you draw, you’re drawing for yourself and not what people want to see.

That being said, don’t let this shit discourage you. You are perfectly capable of building a following dedicated by people who actually enjoy your art. It just takes a little more time than porn/furry artists and is all the more worthwhile/fulfilling once you reach this.

>>4267372
I doubt he is Firez. Firez would know he is making almost 500usd. It is also publicly visible on his Patreon

>>4267120
Fucking coomer artist with their shitty porn making them money and giving them attention.

>>4267052
If you had to ask and you're not drawing right now, NGMI. You're procrastinating and shitposting instead.

>>4267120
I respect non-coomer artists thaat make it so much. It's like starting on Ultra Hard mode.

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>>4267052
Who needs fundies when I can draw like this to make a living.

>>4267052
2 months

>>4267120
That's why there is something called "marketing".
Or you could also work on a "business plan".

>>4267120
Fucking hell, why does every single artist online have to act like a severely autistic thirteen-year-old, especially when e-begging? Who is their target audience, elderly people with a shit ton of disposable income?

>>4268110
No you braindead idiot its severely autistic 30 year olds with a shit ton of disposable income.
Post your monthly patreon income

>>4267052
Idk , i think 2 weeks or 2 months idk

I need to learn some proper female anatomy...

that whould give me about 111h-480h of experience , judjing by that ammount a time i thing i could get to his level

(i suck ass at female anatomy tho)

Realistically looking at the guys other work a year to a year and a half give or take. It's almost certain you aren't going to be able to keep up that pace of drawing 8-10 hrs, you will burn out, you will have off months etc.

To beat just this piece Id say like idk 8 months from nothing, its not very good. The render is also not good but you're going to have to add time if you wanna learn all that color bullshit too.

>>4267052
If you're obsessive and autistic enough to grind a fuckton of hours everyday, you can do it. Though looking at jinu's art I pulled from google, assuming this is the same person, it doesn't seem like a high bar.

Though like someone said earlier in this thread, I don't think you have the to conviction. If you're here shitposting, you're not drawing.

>>4267120
It's fair.

Firez only ever made art that he liked, never really cared about the followers or posting consistently.
That may grant you freedom, but don't be surprised no one wants to pay your ass.

>>4267052
why jinu whats so special about him?

>>4268192
His paterons says other wise.

>>4268157
8-10 hours a day is too much, but if he wanted to unironically reach the level of Jinu and draw that much at the same time he'll probably do it in much less than one year. His actual fundies aren't professional or even great, the poses in most of his art are too similar and kind of stiff and the perspective is almost nonexistent. The only thing he has going for is the appeal and the fact that he draws porn of whatever is popular at the moment and his anthro OCs, that's probably why he has a sizeable following if we don't count his shitposts.

>>4267120
If we don't count the fact that not everyone probably pays for the last tier, I be he'd get like around 700-800 burgerbucks at most which is nothing compared to actual professionals like Kuvshinov which gain 7960 per month.

Yeah, we can laugh about how much hes making, how little or how hard he works.

But he is his own boss, working probably only a few hours per day, stays at home and does his passion.

I mean I love my job, but it's hard 48 hour weeks, 4 on 4 off, and its fucking me up physically as I slowly feel myself getting older.

And for what? Only a couple of bucks over minimum wage? The thrill of adrenaline every once in a while?

Wish I was good enough to market myself into 280 patrons a month

>>4268303
I respect a coomer artist more than a tracer and a hack artist.

>>4268164
>If you're obsessive and autistic enough to grind a fuckton of hours everyday, you can do it.

>If you are deteremined enought you can do it

Agreed

>>4268283
I respect a coomer artist more than a tracer and a hack artist.

>>4267120
Kek

would this Patreon plan be of any success?

>one dollar per month
>full res of my drawings
>can draw what I want
>maybe later add polls what to draw (optionally only sth like 5dollar tier can vote)

so basically the most minimum effort but also not a lot of money
any examples of sth like this?
how popular do you have to be to

>>4268442
1 dollar = nothing
3 dollars = vote polls, work in progress or dropped one, and full res.
5 dollars = summit your own characters for poll, discord ranks(or something), full res drawings and everything and all tiers rewards below.

You can double that or even triple that if you want.

>>4268463
I don't suppose you have any examples of artists? Essentially a lot of patreons but small prices and little effort

>>4268442
1 dollar = nothing
3 dollars = vote polls, work in progress or dropped one.
5 dollars = discord ranks(or something), full res drawings and all tiers rewards below.
10 dollars= Choose characters for polls, better discord ranks, and enter private chat with you and other members of that rank.

You can double that or even triple that if you want

>>4268478
This is something similar, to what I suggested. It’s best you try to give as much value to your tiers when you’re mainly sfw artist or you won’t really many paterons. If you’re nsfw, you can pretty much do what the sfw but without all the discord ranks and private chat.

>>4268355
this

>>4267052

If you learn the fundamentals in 1 year you could learn anatomy in another year and you could be producing professional porn from that point on.

Fundamentals defined as Visual communication, perspective, painting, color theory, environment design, character design,creature design, prop design and life drawing. All these things come together to give you a great general understanding of drawing characters interacting with objects and environments, think big boob bitches in sex dungeons.

Another year of gritty anatomy for better figures and more figure drawing to go with it, you can get the fundies down in a year if you try hard or just look at anatomical references while drawing.

So I'd say 2 years, but you actually have to comprehend what you learned and be able to apply it to your own drawings.

Fundie breakdown based on Gnomon 1 year vocational program.

>>4267052
That art is the shit of shits, you seek to make your own original art and calmly surpass that idiot without talent.

wouldn't even take you a full year to surpass them if you were actual perceptive.

>>4267095
This however it well take a lot longer to develop your mechanical skills. You might be able to draw >>4267052 but with worse lines.

>>4267071
imagine being so stupid you need 6 whole hours of practise to not suck. 4 max, brah

>>4272474
>practise
You can’t be calling others stupid, retard.

How long would it take to surpass my favorite artists if I had quality practice were I retained the material and strived to try new things but only for an hour a day?

>>4267052

Honestly, you could get here in a about 8 months at a couple of hours a day if you practice effectively. Once you understand basic anatomy enough to draw some believable (albeit exaggerated) proportions, the rest of your time will be spent just learning light and color and you'll only need a little bit of that.

Making porn at this level isn't hard and it's a good way to make some cash while you grind to be able to create something better that no one will honestly give a fuck about.

>>4272486
Who fucking knows when you didn’t pyw and your favorite artist, dumbass.

>>4272506
I was just goofin and gaffin anon.

>>4272533
>I was only pretending to be retarded.

>>4272550
Unfortunately I don’t have to pretend that hard.

>>4267095
I actually wanted to ask about this but the stupid questions thread is gone so I may as well ask here, how does one really study? Like I've been going through art books to see what I can do but it's not really a study for me to just copy as they do. Do I just study hands by looking up hands on google and then following my retarded process of drawing it 10x over with other pics and so forth or is there more to it?

>>4272560
This helped me out a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbFPlvJL-M5k9cZiN3VL8qoJeKj8Y58DX

>>4272560
The best advice I can give you is draw whatever you like and whenever you run into a problem, focus on studying in order to solve that problem in particular. Dont give up drawing personal stuff for sake of studying books and video courses for next 2 years. As for references - draw from reference with a mindset that you want to memorize it so that you can draw it without ref later on.

>>4272560
Depends on what you're studying.
For hands you draw hand anatomy from a book, then draw lots of hands from pictures, and when you notice something is still confusing you go back to the anatomy book.

>>4267232
there's a read more link, silly.

>>4267052
Well, you're not actually going to do it, but ...

Quality matters more than quantity. 1 hour of deliberate practice will do exponentially more good for you than 10 hours of just "drawing".

>>4272717
Based

>>4272717
This is the most accurate response. Getting good at drawing is about building habits and sticking to them. Starting out at 8-10 hours a day is just gonna kill you. You have to already LOVE art to be able to do that, and if you're asking these kinds of questions you obviously don't love art at this point.
But I mean, if you want to draw, just go and draw now.

>>4267120
massively undercharging.