/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4377964
ISIS

>>4377964
loomis would be wasted a fucking idiot like you. go grind boxes like a true ngmi

>>4377976
Yeah, cuz drawing static bobbleheads with no dynamics whatsoever is how you gonna make it

>>4377964
The redpill is it works, but the blackpill is no one here draws.

>>4377997
>but the blackpill is no one here draws.
wait what

>>4377964
>not understanding what is behind Loomis

>>4377964
It's like a knockoff version of Han and Robertson, so yes it works. You're probably better off with one of those two though.

>>4377997
This.

>>4378028
A meme
>>4378029
Yeah but Han charges for his shit, some has been leaked here in resource threads but most of his stuff is premium shit

>>4378047
All of Han's materials is on CGP

>>4378054
Isn't CGP the site that only opens for register once a week?

>>4378056
They switched to inv only, good luck. And no, I also don't have an account.

Drawabox>>>>>>everything else

>>4378137
Based and boxpilled

>>4377964
Drawabox is short sniplets and a glimpse into the real stuff like Scott Robertson.

Its a good introduction for a start but it's short and not really complete.
You still go through Robertson after that.

>>4377964
Obligatory. If you are too pants on head retarded and lacking in creativity to take the simple framework that papa Loomis provides and modify it to suit your needs, you are absolutely not going to make it. Loomis is one of the top recommended by mangaka for a reason, you braindead shitbird.

Also drawabox or something like it is really necessary to have, you can't into construction if you can't even into drawing simple boxes correctly.

>>4378047
Loomis gives you keys to construction and proportion, you must be retarded if you cannot understand and use these to create something new or different

>>4378370
>>4378350
Loomis zealots reporting in. Can you post your work plz? Oh true, you can't

God damb Can someone send me a cgp invite plzz ill do anything

>>4378370
Loomis gives you the keys sure.

Roberson, Vilppu and Hampton give you THE BETTER KEYS.
Loomis isn't wrong or harmful, but he just isn't the best at anything. There's no topic on which he would be the best or the most approachable.

He explains the perspective but not very good, Roberson makes you really understand it and in much greater depth.

Loomis anatomy is kinda constructive but really fucking lame. Vilppu and Hampton do it MUCH better both more dybamic and more detailed.

Roverson rendering is fucking unmatched too

Loomis is the Shadman of art books, everybody knows him because he's a meme.

Are lessons 3 to 7 worth doing?

>>4378449
Why would drawing more ever not be worth doing? You lose nothing by trying.

>>4378449

Just do it

>>4378406
The first pic is already mine, but sure.

>>4378442
I can accept that. I made sure to read whatever I could get my hands on anyhow, I never stuck with just one construction method. I've read Bridgman, Loomis, and Burne Hogarth but never the other two tou mentioned.

>>4378461
LOL you can also compare the work of the teachers

Also Peter's Skywalker is still better than any of Irshad's abominations

>>4378442
are you okay? I agree with you but looks like you started struggling to type after a bit

>>4377972
Literally this.

>>4378461
Ahahaha that fucking fish, DAB students are really a joke just look at their subreddit. Somebody should post this there and see how they react.

>>4378544
>>4378970
>durr why are beginners bad
Come the fuck on

>>4378461

DaB doens't teach how to draw fish you slandering crab. You've cherry picked the worst work of the STUDENTS and compared it to the best work from DS.

Just because your art is bad doesn't mean you should drag others down to your pitiful level.

>>4378350
I prefer vlippu construction

>>4378005
You thought /ic/ had artists? It's just a bunch of autists LARPing

>>4378534
Unf, nice art flex.

>>4377964
Marshall talks about the value of drawing boxes in his perspective videos.
Basically the ability to quickly draw right angles in perspective from any point of view in any position is an EXTREMELY critical skill for being a good artist. The side plane of the head roughly makes a right angle with the face for example, ditto for the faces of the rib cage and anything else that you want to simplify with a boxy form. If you want to draw any man-made objects at all, a book, a bed, a house, you'll probably be drawing right angles. They're everywhere, both actual right angles on real objects and imagined ones used in construction techniques.
Unfortunately constructing a precise right angle in perspective is pretty cumbersome. So if you want to be able to quickly draw freehand objects that are in correct perspective without doing a lot of measuring, then you need to internalize what right angles look like from different points of view. You do this by drawing boxes. A box is just a series of right angles. By drawing a lot of boxes, you're training your intution for when you need to draw right angles in a more natural setting.

>>4377964
What's Drawabox?

>>4379118
>DaB doens't teach how to draw fish you slandering crab

If your constructive drawing teacher doesn't teach you how to constructive anything in the world using basic fundamentals, you really need to wonder what the point is.
Loomis is wasted on you and >>4377964 and you deserve to be as idiotic and bad as you forever will be

>>4379135
That's fair.
In the end it's all construction. I studied as many as I could get my hands on because each has a unique perspective (heh) on it. Bridgman for example has a large focus on making the body almost mechanical, blocky masses that slide and interlock with each other. Loomis's method is practical and easily reproducible. Vilppu is more natural and intuitive. All of them are worth learning something from, I think.

I like eating poop.
Anybody here has any good recipes?

>>4381872
consume OP's misunderstanding of drawing fundamentals
because it's shit

>>4381856
Can Loomis teach me how to draw boxes?

>>4382613
I believe he does in one of his books. He teaches perspective too then tells you to go get Ernest.

>>4382620
I was looking for someone to teach me boxes

whats with the ISIS meme? Is he really a jihadist?

>>4382737
Because his community looks like a cult I guess. Also his name sounds arabic

>>4382623
If you want to be able to freehand draw boxes then just get a cube on your table and draw it freehand from every angle you can. Rotating a cube around in Blender is probably fine too. After a few hundred tries you will get better at them.
If you want to learn how to construct precise boxes in perspective then it's not too tough although I'm not sure if there's a resource that covers how to construct rotated boxes from every single angle. The discussion of rotation in most perspective resources is pretty poor. Robertson and handprint will show you how to construct squares on the ground plane, then you need to figure out how to rotate them (protio, use circles and ellipses that go around the axis of rotation).

>>4385274
i can study fundamentals using blender? tell me more

>>4385436
Well, I said you can learn how to draw good boxes using Blender. Open it up, there's a cube sitting there. Twirl the camera around, zoom in and out, and draw the boxes you see.
Drawing boxes from any angle is difficult because the faces don't stay regular as your point of view changes; the angles made by the edges of the faces can become arbitrarily oblique or acute depending on how close you are to the box and how it's rotated. I explained why drawing boxes is important here >>4381838

>>4385449
B-Boxman is that you?

Loomis is a faggot

Use Manga books

>>4385453
why would I do that when I can't read gook letters?

>>4385453
>Grab asian man as reference
>don't actually use reference and draw European guy instead
Lmao.

>>4385578
Because you FEEL the art, not read it fag

>>4381856
The DaB guy took Peter Han's course in person and dedicated his entire art life to it and he's still terrible. So what does that say about Pete?

>>4377985
It’s a set of tools/skills, not a style guide you dolt.

>>4385682
Are you trying to say that Peter Han is able to draw?
Peter Han can't draw for shit, even if he regurgitates a lot of basic linear perspective stuff for teaching

>>4385764
Based and boxpilled

>>4385764
>Peter Han can't draw for shit, even if he regurgitates a lot of basic linear perspective stuff for teaching
Explain that a bit more.

>>4381865
Could you elaborate their differences on a broader scale? I just don't know which one to pick and it feels like "Fun With A Pencil" is already too advanced for me.