/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4625593
Based cops tbqh

says more about you being a weak minded cockriding bitch than anything else

>>4625593
He's retweeting stuff about cops being bad but absolutely no tweets about murders and destruction from rioters.

Fuck the art industry but I am glad I got my eyes opened on it. A bunch of retards with no spine.

>>4625593
Who are these fags and why should I care. You should never respect anyone anyways, people will always disappoint you.

Where's the lie?

>>4625628
Who's going to protect you from the niggers that burn down your property if not the cops, you hypocrites

Fuck this shit, how am I supposed to fap to her now??

>>4625634
O fuck not her too. Is there anyone sane on the internet

>>4625634
>eugenia coomey

>>4625633
2nd amendment

>>4625651
>implying riot sympathizers could even hold a gun much less shoot one

>>4625593
Imagine thinking there's rules in war

>>4625633
Thats not an argument, and besides you mean the rioters that are the direct reaction to corrupt, degenerate cops?

>>4625593
Police Officers easily trick midwit antifa

>>4625641
>IS THERE ANYONE SANE? WHY DON'T EVERYONE CONDONE POLICE BRUTALITY?!?!

>>4625671
>let's steal some shoes and shiet to show how much those pigs are corrupt yo

>>4625608
Whats the point? That achieves nothing besides satisfying low IQ centrists who want to act like they are above it all while ultimately supporting the status quo that lead to the riots

>Oh noes bros hold me bros the artist i like, who doesnt care about me and my /beg/ tier art, has a different opinion from me. Fuck bros it's over fuck the community

>AYO DAT COP BEAT UZ???
>LES CHIMP YALL LES TEACH EVERY DAMN COP A LESSON AND STEAL SHIT FROM RANDOM TRUCKS N STORES WHILE WE AT IT!!
Why are they like this. I hope they all get raped in jail

>Dave Crapozza
Nothing of value was Lost, his art is boring, But I expexted this kind of so1boy attitude from someone like Ryan Lang, whatever, most artist are liberal garbage anyways

>>4625676
Are you a child? We dont live in an ideal world, riots will happen especially when highly passionate massive protests are met with heavy resistance. The correct course of action is to address the problems that caused said protests instead of whinging impotently that some people do bad things

>>4625679
Because it's dishonest and it's siding with one narrative, when in fact there are much worse things happening on the other side actually

>>4625688
I know this is bait but cops were given instructions to allow most of looting and destroying and that was the intention since the beginning. Those protests are literally about stealing and destroying, nothing else was achieved except more racism, more division and more chaos. Thinking it was anything else is being beyond delusional

>>4625628
ACAB is cringe, why would you rely on a slogan that assigns individual blame when the problems are systemic which most people using ACAB will acknowledge

>>4625634
>>4625646
>eugenia coon ey

>>4625674
Why is everyone condoning nigga brutality then?

>muh lawnorder, muh propertee rights!

Do and of you dumbfucks actually own anything of value, or are you just crying a river of bitch tears over richies who wouldn't lift a finger for you in a million years because you're that dumb and brainwashed?

Live a little. We're getting to see the LA Riots in the age of the smartphone, they're making us so much free entertainment the least you fucks can do is cheer from the stands.

>>4625691
>Because it's dishonest and it's siding with one narrative
What narratives are at play here? There is one narrative - that American police are corrupt and racist which triggered the protests (which were a long time in the making) and something completely irrelevant which is that some protesters turn into violent rioters. The latter is a distraction meant to appeal to the feelings of people who are obsessed with civility above all. And these protests were about looting? Interesting, how come the vast majority of the protesters are peaceful and have clear, stated goals?

>>4625709
I live in the rural south, nothing these people do can ever affect me lmao

>>4625709
Its crocodile tears virtue signaling and fuel for getting upset at niggers, nobody actually gives a shit about somebody elses private property least of all on 4chan.

>>4625688
Just shoot the looting faggots on sight. Here, problem solved.

>>4625722
Are police doing this yet? It would be great. People need to fuck off with this opportunist bullshit and be punished for the crimes they think they're allowed to commit

Wow I can't believe this guy is saying he would prefer cops to not act like assholes, without condoning violence or looting on the BLM side. Dave Rapoza is cancelled.

>>4625691
>nothing else was achieved except more racism
What do you think the looters are manufacturing racism? No, this makes what is implicit very explicit and clear to see by pushing people into expressing their already held beliefs and confirmation bias. It's the only way any kind of development is possible, anything else is miserable stagnation.

>>4625730
HAHAHA holy fucking shit anon you're so close

>>4625593
all he did was put a like. Not a retweet, not a post. Just a like. You guys are getting insufferable now

The people that are rioting and looting are not apart of the movement.
They are randoms that take advantage of the cops using their forces to harrass protesters instead of protect the streets.
Thats why theres many small groups of them attacking shops and stores instead of a giant army marching through cities looting shit.
You can literally see the rioters ducking and weaving through back alleys while actual protests composed of hundreds to thousands of people go on but police stop protesters instead.
Looters came out during the LA riots and Hurricane Katrina.
Why are you trying to act like this is something new?

>>4625730
I don't think so. But it is how it will end.

>>4625722
Do that and you'll suddenly find a whole lot more "looters" dying in suspicious circumstances. Definitely a case of give an inch take a mile

>>4625742
Yes

>more whites die from police than blacks
>black on white murder is much higher than white on black
>black on black murder is extremely high but nobody talks about it
>somehow cops are at fault here and it's excusable to destroy and steal everything

Fuck anyone supporting this demonic movement

Why are you faggots so sheltered? Have you never dealt with a dissenting opinion. How do you deal with critique without shutting down?

>>4625770
Highly emotional bitch nigga tier post, however
>more whites die from police than blacks
Per capita? Source?

>>4625776
Do you have a source on that?

Source?

A source. I need a source.

Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.

No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.

You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.

Do you have a degree in that field?

A college degree? In that field?

Then your arguments are invalid.

No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.

Correlation does not equal causation.

CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.

You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.

Nope, still haven't.

>>4625593
>blue hair
Aposematism.

https://twitter.com/80SREDKY/status/1267918510782648320

>>4625782
The sun is hot
A stove is hot
Therefor the sun must be a giant stove

>>4625782
LMAO seething

>>4625770
>False
>This isn't totally wrong but the actual numbers are super exaggerated
>False
>Strawmanning the motivation behind the protests

Anon why are you so stupid?

Itt: we do everything in our power to avoid drawing

>>4625799
Sources on all of these?

>>4625799
>This isn't totally wrong but the actual numbers are super exaggerated
I mean, even if it was 100% right, that's completely expected due to poverty creating violence AND irrelevant because the protests are not a race war even though they can get highly racialized because people tend to act like counter-productive retards.

>>4625676
It's usually white people taking advantage of the chaos and starting the looting first. Then it becomes a whole, "if they're doing it then I'll do it too."

>>4625788
makes literal no fucking sense. ffs the sun is like really really big, no way it can be a stove because stoves don't glow a lot and make fire. the sun is probably really just a big big fire in space that is big and strong and but is gooder than a stove idiot.

>>4625808
'more whites die from police than blacks' is easily disprovable by any of the initial search results.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls Just one of the first results that comes up, like I said not totally wrong but people exaggerate the numbers and >>4625810
You're kidding yourself if you think that black on black crime isn't a heavily discussed topic.
The cops are ABSOLUTELY at fault for the death of Floyd and I don't have to justify the property damage occurring to support the protests.

>>4625828
Are you austistic?
Genuine question

>>4625835
I hope you get injured and your property gets destroyed fucking worm

>>4625828
Fuck you. The sun is a giant stove because I saw someone cook eggs off a car hood that was hot from the sun

>Man, fuck those niggers and their desire to be alive. I'm gonna go check out my favorite artis-
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Lmaoing at your existence

>>4625688
>riots will happen especially
when they're been done on the most minimal excuse, financially backed by some billionaires in the name of "democracy" to destabilize the country and buy it up so they can get richer thus have more influence over the country.
Explain how riots are natural you fucking degenerate normie
btw
gtfo my board

What I don’t get about /pol/ is that they have no foresight. If the white race being replaced is an inevitability, that means there will be a point where more cops are colored than white. Wouldn’t you want checks being put on these cops so that they wouldn’t be able to get away with crimes committed against whites?

>>4625837
This is 4chan and specifically /ic/, I thought everyone know that everyone here is an autist themselve?

>>4625842
What a weak, pathetic response

>>4625856
Worms like you have no problem with people losing their businesses because it's "justified" but you yourself would never want that happen to you, pathetic excuse for a human being.

>>4625849
First off, stop being a sensitive lil faggot and discuss the topic rationally. Do billionaires back RIOTERS in the name of democracy, or do they support a legitimate protest? Do you have ANY proof of this, or are you going by your gut feeling as usual. Secondly, riots are natural because there are people who want to commit crime, and times of chaos (like during mass protests which are met with state force) their crimes are likely to go unpunished. Can you put two and two together?

>>4625860
lurk moar, r*dditnigger

>>4625858
Emotionally driven gibberish, but I bet you steal other people's art, movies, games and software for free while whining about some property destruction because you're a massive hypocrite who's using property as a rhetorical tool

>>4625667
there are. chemical weapons weren't used in ww2 by mutual agreement, and there were no bombings of civilian targets until one of hitlers bombers fucked up.

>>4625864
Been here for well over a decade faggot, now will you provide an argument or continue dodging and posting le ebin redpilled pedoshit?

>>4625864
sauce on that maga pls

>>4625858
I can both support the protests and condemn the property damage just like I can support the existence of police while condemning the disproportionate policing of black people. I know it's difficult to think about these things when your IQ is as low as the nigger boogeyman's you're so scared of but please try to keep up

>>4625849
>burning deaths of a children
>a children
also the father and son were fine and the police chief blamed it on "bad actors" hijacking the cause. You are the one playing into your so-called boogeyman's hands, posting photoshopped images.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jun/2/will-smith-va-police-chief-says-rioters-blocked-fi/

>>4625866
Unlike you I can empathise with people who were struggling due to Covid and now have to deal with their stuff being destroyed. Unlike you I am not delusional to think that any cause is worth destroying innocent bystanders in the process just so you can feed the urge to wreck shit and steal shit if possible at all times. And finally I am not retarded to support a movement that is funded by Soros and his overlords, which by default would never actually support black people.

>>4625873
>>4625879
>hurr durr
>implying i'd argue with a fucking bot
Are you even allowed to think, mate?

lmao @ this fucking bootlicking Nazi incel breeding ground

You should all get gassed

>>4625894
@pyw

>>4625882
Why do you pirate various art and software then? Or is your support conditional and only applies when the people are small enough and/or struggling from Covid rather than a principle stance? Lastly, the Soros shit is poisoning the well. Instead of arguing about the goal of the protests which is police reform and combating systemic racism, you focus on some Soros bux and some hidden secret evil intent like that's relevant to real world outcomes. Also funnily enough black communities were hit very hard by Covid

>>4625883
So far we've given you detailed responses and challenged your false info, while you spewed some buzzwords, posted pedoshit while calling others "degenerate", and are now descending into muh kikes lunacy.

Why won't he retweet shit like this

https://twitter.com/AmiHorowitz/status/1267908030206816259

>>4625905
>we
who is we, anon?
Are you that starved for (you)s?

>>4625913
So that's it, you just won't engage? Sad, looks like the subversive yids truly won if this is all it takes for you fags to fold

>>4625679
based and truthpilled

>>4625874

Not that dude, but I recognize it.
https://exhentai.org/g/749715/039e9c9076/
It's some primo shit.

>>4625906
The bros were just asking for to be targeted, and you're a moron if you can't understand why.

>>4625634
>coon ey

>>4625930
20k iq post right there

Fuck niggers and Fuck Jannies for not deleting all these threads

>>4625945
>exhentai
Everytime

>>4625835
>I don't have to justify the property damage occurring to support the protests.
kek yikes

>>4625709
>We're getting to see the LA Riots in the age of the smartphone, they're making us so much free entertainment the least you fucks can do is cheer from the stands.

I'm under curfew because of this nonsense you turd. Why on earth would I be enjoying this?

>>4625959
https://nhentai.net/g/118855/

>>4625965
Because it gives you more time to refine your craft and enjoy some productive solitude, what kind of question is that

>>4625945
>>4625864
Why are so many pedos accusing others of degeneracy?

>>4625965
Not my fault, I don’t live in the United States of Anarchy.

>>4625971
>when context is ignored
Keep it up, anon.
I still got lots of (you)s to give out for free

>>4625985
What context makes reading pedoshit morally acceptable?

>>4625988
>Implying
You're either blind, autistic or you're being retarded on purpose

>>4625994
So wait, do you agree that pedos/lolicons are subhuman degenerates who should be promptly euthanized or are you going to make excuses because muh context?

>redditors have taken over 4chan and are literally sucking cop dick
Holy shit, fuck out of here pigfuckers

>>4626000
>do you agree that pedos/lolicons are subhuman degenerates who should be promptly euthanized
Yes.
But what are you even on about you autistic nigger?
>Inb4 image cuz it belongs to XYZ is bad

>>4626005
Obviously it's bad, why would you promote degeneracy? What next, going to post blacked?

>>4625593
kys then

>>4626009
ok retard

>ACAB

Well that's it then. Once people start assuming that all police officers are evil by default, then all basis for reform, law and order, and social harmony is shredded. You can't fix something when you believe it's inherently evil, and when you've lost all faith in the people whose job it is to enforce basic societal rules who do you have to turn to?

These 100% anti-cop people always talk about relying on the community to protect itself, but the community is shit. It's all shit, and I wouldn't trust any of my neighbors or colleagues to behave themselves in the absence of the near-monopoly on violence that is the police. "All Cops Are Bad" leads nowhere, because what do you do without them?

Slogans stop thought in its tracks.

How is it that the most reasonable, levelheaded take on all this I've seen is from a guy named Killer Mike?! While so many of these artists who grew up in the suburbs and whose biggest run-in with the law was probably getting busted for underage drinking are acting like they're a member of N.W.A.

>>4626030
ACAB is a rallying cry to get people emotional, the idea behind it is that the agency of the individual cop is irrelevant because they still enable a scummy system hence the "bad cop good cop" mockery where the good cop is simply a passive observer to the bad cop's criminal acts. But yes, the slogan is very bad at conveying a message and while antagonism is warranted to some extent it also alienates plenty of people who are sympathetic to the cause but don't understand the underlying ideas behind ACAB. Also a lot of kids use it to be edgy anti-authority fags and don't care about any kind of systemic criticism. However, ONLY taking ACAB at face value is dishonest.

>>4625593
It’s amazing how people that call others snowflakes can be so triggered by other people’s opinions.

>>4625705
you reap what you sow lol

>>4625653
>it’s hard to shoot a gun

I’m for BLM and also hunt and skeet shoot.

>>4626035
that's a gross rationalization and it doesn't reflect the way the slogan is used in the slightest

>>4626041
>you're supposed to support terrorism or else you are just a triggered bitch!

>>4625808
You didn't post sources either you fucking whiny nigger.

>>4626048
It does, BLM has policy proposals and explicitly attacks the institution of police rather than calling for a cop genocide or whatever the fuck. What you are taking issue with is essentially the TONE of the people who say ACAB, and surface level reading of the slogan itself. Criticizing the optics and poor messaging is one thing, but acting like it's calling for a cop holocaust or something to that extent is dishonest I think because you are stripping it of its real world context and taking it at its face value.

>>4626044
So we're condoning cops beating dirty niggers lol

>>4626058
>poor messaging
yeeeaah, I'm sure that's all it is.

>>4626055
>I'm being an emotional tribalistic faggot.
>Your the one thats triggered!
You absolutely can support the protest and also condemn the people looting and destroying property. Stop being a fucking snowflake faggot.

>>4625674
>POLICE BRUTALITY
But he died because he had problems

>>4626063
BLM put out these posters and endorsed targeting individual cops? Is legalizing murder of cops one of their proposed policies? Or is this a random poster made by some edgy anarchist teenagers you dug up online to fuel your outrage and scold people online?

>>4626071
Yeah, the main problem being getting asphyxiated by a cop's knee

>>4626075
BLM isn't a monolithic organization. Asks the bulk of the protestors what they think the slogan means, and you'll get the simple, face-value reading. That's what your movements grass roots are about.

>all the people I admire that are more intelligent and successful than me are supporting this cause that I am against.. am I out of touch?
>No. It is them that are wrong!

>>4626045
>I shoot animals
coward

>>4626089
>appealing to made up authority

>>4626084
How do you figure? I'd actually like to see some data on that, every BLM supporter I've spoken to directly admitted that it's hyperbolic and the real problem is the institution in calm 1 on 1 conversations. Even then, it's just a slogan and the average protester's antagonism is only relevant insofar it affects the broader movement's policy proposals and ideals. I mean really, do you honestly think BLM's ultimate goal is violence against individual cops?

>>4626095
>Fallacy fallacy

>>4626035
The message you described is bad already. Most things to go shit the moment you remove responsibility from the individual. The all encompasing faceless entity that is "THE POLICE" is the enemy and it's agents each individual officer. Once you start seeing shit like that you just feed into the retarded "us vs them" mentality that gets you no where and anyone who thinks like that is truly a worthless piece of shit. The goal of "ending all police violence" is a childish delusional pipedream because you might as well set your goal to end violence all together. That's why these protests are full retard. You have to look at things on a case basis and only ask for each of those individual criminals to get their due punishment, which in the cases that started this whole shit it already has.

I'm against violence btw. Gonna protest and loot until mankind stops violence altogether (????) fucking retards.

>>4626103
>every BLM supporter I've spoken to directly admitted that it's hyperbolic and the real problem is the institution in calm 1 on 1 conversations.

Yes because people will openly say "btw lets kill all cops" when they're trying to get your toes dipped in your bullshit.

>>4626110
i hope your house gets set on fire faggot

>>4626108
fuck off nigger

>>4626117
Somehow I don't find this response surprising.

>>4626110
What if the goal is to put a check on police brutality so that those that do abuse their power get arrested

>>4626118
>name calling

>>4626035
People who say ACAB are mad because the cops arrest them when they steal or break shit. There is no nuance or argument behind it.

>>4626084

And the IRA wanted a united Ireland, but once the UK came to the table they somehow managed to restrain 98% of their members in exchange for real concessions.

If you start watering down your demands before the fight even starts you'll just get argued down to nothing.

>>4626110
>Most things to go shit the moment you remove responsibility from the individual.
What does this even mean, many of their policies require cops to take greater amounts of responsibility for violent discriminatory actions . Responsibility itself is enforced by systems which are shaped by collective actions, otherwise all you're relying on is for people to be good despite corrupt incentives. Furthermore, applying "individual responsibility" to society wide problems is at best impossible, at worst actively dangerous because it encourages people to generalize and assign agency to groups of people. THAT is "us vs them" mentality.

>>4626115
Do you honestly think that BLM's ultimate goal is to kill all cops? I don't think you do, so the question is why are you acting like it?

>>4625700
You can acknowledge both

>>4625633
roof koreans

>>4626130
The vast majority of people who say ACAB are not criminals in any shape or form

>fastest moving thread on /ic/ in years is about an off topic social problem

>>4626150
Both what? I do think BLM supporters tend to acknowledge that the problem's institutional more often than not, extracting that from the slogan requires a very indirect reading though which is why it sucks.

>>4626155
I give no value to the opinions of teenagers, I'm talking about adults.

>>4626167
Same

>>4626055
There are peaceful protests going on too. Absolutism is all brainlets like you can understand I guess.

>>4626171
Yeah, "peaceful" protests

>>4625709
was this subway ad real? realy based if so. love guys face

Suddenly everyone forgot about the coronavirus just so they can loot stores, and you fucking support this shit. Imagine being this braindead

>>4626197
just wait for the second wave of coronachan in noveber

>>4626197
They're just following in the president's footsteps

>>4625679
The status quo is the type of shit which gives society enough stability to give support to those who want to pursuit more frivolous career paths such as art. In times of crisis, artists are the first ones to get fucked.

>>4626135
get your retarded political accelerationist mindgames out of here. Just make plausible demands and stick to them. The quickest road to progress is the one that doesn't cut corners.

>>4625879
>and the police chief blamed it on
Because he's a spineless faggot.

>>4626089
Expertise in one subject does not imply expertise in all subjects.

>>4626211
>In times of crisis, artists are the first ones to get fucked.
By "get fucked" you mean end up in the same situation as most of the population?

>>4626035
>ACAB is a rallying cry to get people emotional

That's the problem. People being emotional is how we got in this mess in the first place. The emotional connections that make the police more loyal to each other than their oath. The heat-of-the-moment flare ups that end with someone dead. The emotional justification that let's people think, "If injustice was practiced against me, then I have a right to be unjust to someone else!" We need cold logic in service of an ethical matrix, not hot emotions that drive us to impulsive action.

Sloganeering is a terrible way of communicating ideas. It stops thought, and prevents you from considering the problem rationally. Why think, when you can chant? Also, saying "These words don't mean what what they say." is disingenuous at best. Use words to communicate clearly.

Finally, there is a kind of person who can successfully live in a world without, or with very few, police, but they are few and far between, and they're pretty much the opposite of the kind of person who posts ACAB on their blog. These are the kind of people who will be honest and ethical, even when no one is watching, and they have never compromised more than 5 to 10 percent of the human population.

>>4626203
Imagine being so hypocrite that one week you're blaming the president for protests that are supposedly gonna end the fucking world because of a cold, and on the next week you're giving money to rioters because a drug addict had a panic attack while drugged while arrested and had a heart attack.

>>4626089
Artists should never set policy. We are terribly stupid people, generally.

>>4626220
lolno most of the population usually pick career paths that are legitimately useful in a day to day basis, entertainment is frivolous, if society suddenly finds itself on a survival/maintenance mode, artists will have to literally train from scratch in a completely different field because people won't have money to spend on entertainment.

>>4626224
In an idealistic world you would have a point, however we live in reality where slogans and rallying cries are the most pragmatic ways of getting shit done. The civil calm men in suits with reasonable policies will follow mass movements and emotional outbursts. It's easy to take a neutral stance and complain how emotional people are getting but this attitude is arrogant and detached from the real world, and US history itself because these violent movements are exactly what inspired change. Also, you can't equate emotional protesters with the police, who are agents of the state and enforce violence, the latter must practice far, far more responsibility and be held to account more than the average person because they are in a unique position of power.

>>4626227
Imagine being so much of a hypocrite that you call it a cold but then get upset that others take more important long term problems more seriously than an epidemic especially considering that their country wants to push them to go back to work asap either way. Also why are you lying about his death?
>cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint and neck compression

>>4626128
Nigger

>>4625593
what community? you're acting like the art community is just one thing while roaming in your bubble of cali western tumblryte faggots

>>4626238
policeofficers are still people, if you antagonize them and make them sufficiently afraid they'll hit their breaking point eventually.

>>4626250
Sure but the problem is that this is not a situation that has perfect paths forward, any actions taken will either be ineffective ane lead to further build up of tensions that will eventually explode, or it will be chaotic and damaging but (hopefully) lead to some much needed changes in the systems they're protesting. The sooner the problems are fixed, the less damage will be done.

>>4626247
>Retardation

>>4626242
>Imagine being so much of a hypocrite that you call it a cold but then get upset that others take more important long term problems more seriously than an epidemic
Nigga people were saying this kung flu would kill a comparable portion of the population, I never thought this, the SAME people are now ignoring the guidelines they tried to force down people's throat because some literal who with multiple offenses committed, died due to his own stupidity.
>why are you lying
You pretending to be retarded or are you legitimately disingenuous
>"no sign of trauma"

>>4626257
again, accelerationism is a retarded ideology. you're not speeding anything up, you're just burying the country in deeper and deeper shit and hoping someone will pick up the pieces.

All of this actually breaks my heart because I care about black people and poor people (I was very poor growing up) and I know this isn’t going to end well for them. this is only going to give the police license to perform more cruelty, and they’re getting paid overtime for it. I feel like the end is coming soon.

>>4625593
Quite funny if true.

>>4626272
>quoting a preliminary autopsy done by the same government body that killed him
Your the one thats retarded. "The police told me a knee on my neck wouldn't kill me, so it must be true".

>>4626272
If it's just a flu then who cares right? Clearly there's more important issues to be worried about. Also you have the mentality of a child, protests aren't fueled by one event, they are fueled by pent up tensions over years or decades that eventually explode. The event is a symbol. Also, what exactly is stupid about getting sat on by a cop for 5 minutes straight while you ask him to stop because you can't breathe? If blacks should treat every arrest as a death sentence, that right there is proof that the protests are completely justified.

Are you fucking retarded? Just because they didn't snap his neck personally doesn't mean the cop asphyxiating a man who said he couldn't breathe with his buddies nearby is not responsible.
>They added that "weight on the back, handcuffs and positioning were contributory factors because they impaired the ability of Mr. Floyd’s diaphragm to function."

>>4626284
>>quoting a preliminary autopsy done by the same government body that killed him
In a democrat area, governed by a democrat politician. Are you saying democrats are corrupt? Also you're forgetting that later autopsies have even less information to work with due to how the body degenerates, a good portion of what the secondary autopsy says is flat out impossible for them to determine. Oh and you're purposefully ignoring the fentanyl issue.

>>4626275
If protesting is accelerationist then accelerationism isn't retarded in the slightest and is something every political actor supports/engages in from time to time.

>>4626290
Why did the medical examiner declare it a homicide then?

>>4626286
>If it's just a flu then who cares right?
It's not the flu that's the issue, it's the hypocrisy and sheer control fetish those leftoid fucks have.
>protests aren't fueled by one event
Cute, but no, they use events as scapegoats, yes. How about mentioning that whites have a higher death rate than blacks since that's a more impartial statistic? Oh wait that'd go against your narrative.
>what exactly is stupid about getting sat on by a cop for 5 minutes straight while you ask him to stop because you can't breathe?
Resisting arrest for once, being high, having multiple arrests and still not learning the lesson, the list goes on and on.
>If blacks should treat every arrest as a death sentence, that right there is proof that the protests are completely justified
3 in 100,000
>doesn't mean the cop asphyxiating a man who said he couldn't breathe with his buddies nearby is not responsible
You realize that procedure is standard all over the world right? Very curious how deaths related to it aren't common, BUT deaths from drug use are. Very curious.
>weight on the back
>knee was actually on the neck

>>4625679
i like the "status quo" though. the people who keep trying to change it are the ones i don't like. if it were up to me, there'd be an IQ test required for both voting and breeding. the cutoff would be 95.

>>4626294
I thought this was a conversation about making cops afraid for their lives so they'll overstep and give you an excuse for making more radical demands, and whether that's a good idea from a political realist standpoint.

>>4626305
>How about mentioning that whites have a higher death rate than blacks since that's a more impartial statistic?
What does that have to do with racism among police? It's like you're reciting irrelevant talking points.
>Resisting arrest for once, being high, having multiple arrests and still not learning the lesson, the list goes on and on.
First off, can you point out where exactly during the 5 minutes of him getting murdered on video he was resisting arrest? He was completely subdued and posed no legitimate threat to the officers to begin with. And again, should blacks feel like every arrest is a potential death sentence? Because even if you are on drugs and have prior convictions that is not a justification.
>You realize that procedure is standard all over the world right?
And? FFS it went on for 5 minutes while the guy was completely harmless. Should police follow standard procedure while completely giving up any rational thought, becoming NPC's?
>knee was actually on the neck
So the report isn't trustworthy? Then why are you using it to support your arguments?

>>4626302
Political pressure of course. If you had any interaction at all with the police or with someone that has a history on the medical field you'd know that the position he was held in has little to no chance of actually killing someone. Hell you faggots are all retarded, where was the protests when a white guy was killed while fucking crawling on the floor by a spoiled brat that had "you're fucked" on his rifle? People aren't chanting "reform the police" they are chanting "black lives matter" despite them actually having a lower death rate than whites. And then of course, while KNOWING that protesting right now is a bad idea and will only cause more damage due to attracting antifa faggots, they go on with the plan anyway.

>>4626326
>Political pressure of course.
It's interesting how willing you are to attribute his statements to corruption while at the same time denying the possibility of corruption in what he said in the initial report. It's a blatant example of confirmation bias.
>People aren't chanting "reform the police" they are chanting "black lives matter" despite them actually having a lower death rate than whites.
Per capita? What do death rates have to do with it? If the death rates are from POLICE then can you provide any statistics to show that whites are killed by cops more than blacks per capita? Furthermore, BLM's platform is police reform. Lastly, if you want police reform why not back BLM and add to their policies, or are you just bringing it up as a contrarian without giving a shit about those white deaths?

>>4626094
It’s more humane than the factory farmed animals you eat

>>4626187
>one picture from a violent protest proves there are no peaceful protests

Thank you brainlet, I am convinced.

>>4626324
>What does that have to do with racism among police?
How about PROVING there's any in the first place? You know with an OBJECTIVE representation of reality, like a statistic? How the fuck can you say that cops treat black people worse than everyone else when there's a fucking metric showing they kill more whites in average, in other words, CONTROLLING FOR POPULATION NUMBERS.
>can you point out where exactly during the 5 minutes of him getting murdered on video he was resisting arrest?
According to the reports he resisted BEFORE that, and yes there are pictures of him resisting arrest.
>He was completely subdued and posed no legitimate threat to the officers to begin with
On that end, I agree, but it's not a problem of racism or with the cop, but with outdated practices that are the standard and protocols which cops have to follow through. And mostly, if you don't know WHY those protocols are in place, in other words, if you haven't looked into the police force reasoning, you cannot say you're well informed on the issue enough to say what they should or should not do.
>And again, should blacks feel like every arrest is a potential death sentence?
3 in 100,000 how the fuck is that a "death sentence"? Do you really expect no deaths to happen at all when trying to arrest someone? I'm not saying you are, but that concept would be delusional.
>And? FFS it went on for 5 minutes while the guy was completely harmless. Should police follow standard procedure while completely giving up any rational thought
If that's the protocol they can get in a lot of shit if they don't. And if there's a reason for said protocol, you better come up with both a better replacement or nobody will listen to you. Get informed first, propose changes later.
>So the report isn't trustworthy?
Some things are, some things aren't. The conclusions are clearly political, the findings are not. Again the toxicology report shows he was on drugs.

>>4626343
>one video of a violent cop proves all cops are bastards
two can play at this game

>>4626346
>one video
There are hundreds of videos of police violence from these protests. There are also videos of riots and looting but there are also videos and pictures of peaceful protests happening around the country. Original point I made, that there are peaceful protests, stands. Whereas you have no evidence to prove contrary.

>>4626326
you shouldve protested then you fucking pussies but it appears black people are the only ones with the balls to stand up to the police state.

instead of being a little cuck whining about people actually going out there and doing shit why dont you go out and protest with us and bring some attention to daniel shaver

bitch mentality

>>4626345
>How the fuck can you say that cops treat black people worse than everyone else when there's a fucking metric showing they kill more whites in average
There are multiple studies demonstrating this, a good proxy would be marijuana arrests because while whites smoke roughly the same amount of weed as blacks, blacks are VASTLY more likely to get arrested and charged for possession
>According to the reports he resisted BEFORE that
What fucking retarded shit is this? If someone resists arrest do the cops just have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want even when the target is clearly subdued and poses no legitimate threat?
>but it's not a problem of racism or with the cop
It's a problem of both, American police is shitty in general but they are disproportionately shitty to blacks.
>3 in 100,000 how the fuck is that a "death sentence"?
You tried to justify this murder by saying that the Floyd acted "stupid" prior. Your argument in its abstracted form means that blacks should treat any arrest as a potential death sentence because their prior crimes can lead the policemen to act violently and disregard their lives.
>If that's the protocol they can get in a lot of shit if they don't
Compared to murdering a man or at the very least being charged with manslaughter? Nah, you need to expect some basic common sense from the officers as well instead of blindly following practices when it's clearly not working.
>Some things are, some things aren't.
Yes, and you carefully cherrypick things convenient to your argument while disregarding the rest. Even in his initial report he directly states that the pressure being applied and position contributed to his condition. And why wouldn't the findings be political, do you think he doesn't have any incentives to cover up misbehavior of his colleagues? Nah I don't buy it.

>>4626352
there are videos of violent police. there are videos of violent protestors. there are video of peaceful protestors. there are videos of peaceful police. non of this gives you an accurate picture of the country-wide situation. it's all just stories people tell each other about what is supposedly happening.

>>4626333
>It's interesting how willing you are to attribute his statements to corruption while at the same time denying the possibility of corruption in what he said in the initial report. It's a blatant example of confirmation bias.
Except I read both records, one says "possibly on drugs, no trauma to the neck, no trauma to the lungs, still murder somehow". The other says "we are incapable of verifying trauma due to the time of death being too long ago, but we know it's asphyxiation". Both sides in this aren't trustable, I trust the conclusion of neither, but I AM willing to read on their findings.
>Per capita? What do death rates have to do with it?
It literally shows that cops don't target blacks with more violence.
>If the death rates are from POLICE then can you provide any statistics to show that whites are killed by cops more than blacks per capita?
Yes 4 per 100,000.
>Furthermore, BLM's platform is police reform
If that was the case they wouldn't be chanting "black lives matter" and "justice for george", they'd be chanting "police reform" and actually be trying to work WITH the police rather than trying to dehumanize them. Specially with death rates so low, it's clear that whatever corruption they have, it's not the majority.
>back BLM and add to their policies
Because I don't back any identitarian group. Their name shows their intention. The second they change to "anti-corruption apolitical group" or anything along those lines I might consider.

>>4626354
>you shouldve protested then
Because that helps anything? Opening the possibility of more innocent people being hurt or killed in the mess would help anything? Do you think policies change because you throw a tantrum like a child?
>police state
The US is still far better than most countries. Even compared to first world countries.

Unfollowed half the people I was following. Don't care. Just means less time spent on twitter and more time drawing.

>>4626363
>Except I read both records, one says "possibly on drugs, no trauma to the neck, no trauma to the lungs, still murder somehow"
Yes AND it also says that the pressure contributed to his death directly. Why do you think it has to be trauma? Just because somebody has a prior condition doesn't mean that your actions, which directly lead to their deaths, aren't your responsibility. If the cop got up as soon as the guy started choking and got him help then I could understand this argument, but no what you see in the video is a complete disregard for the subject of his arrest.
>It literally shows that cops don't target blacks with more violence.
>Yes 4 per 100,000.
Post statistics coward
>If that was the case they wouldn't be chanting "black lives matter"
Why not?
>work WITH the police rather than trying to dehumanize them
They've tried for decades with little to no success, and the police are clearly antagonistic themselves and have made very few attempts to de-escalate.
>Their name shows their intention.
Their intention being what? They are asking for police reform. You're assuming some other subtext but why, what's the precedent?

>>4626367
Protests, and violent ones at that have lead to change historically yes

>>4626361
Doesn’t refute the fact that there are peaceful protests happening, which >>4626187 seems to contest.

>>4626360
>There are multiple studies demonstrating this, a good proxy would be marijuana arrests because while whites smoke roughly the same amount of weed as blacks, blacks are VASTLY more likely to get arrested and charged for possession
Unless the statistic takes into account how and when those arrests are made, there's no reason to believe it's anything but different states applying their different policies. Furthermore being arrested more doesn't mean you're the target of violence more.
>What fucking retarded shit is this? If someone resists arrest do the cops just have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they want even when the target is clearly subdued and poses no legitimate threat?
Actually, yes the standard policy is that once there was resistance they are allowed to use as much force as they deem necessary, and it's ridiculously hard to prove excess force was used because of how hard it is to prove intention. Furthermore the cop in this case was arrested, HOW THE FUCK that shows corruption of the police force as a whole?
>It's a problem of both, American police is shitty in general but they are disproportionately shitty to blacks
Cops are shitty in general because they are forced to deal with the worst individuals in any society in a daily basis, and by how metrics can you say they are shitty to blacks specifically if murder per capita isn't one of them? Being arrested more doesn't mean anything, there are countless reasons for it.
>You tried to justify this murder by saying that the Floyd acted "stupid" prior
And he did. He took every bad decision he possibly could.
>Your argument in its abstracted form means that blacks should treat any arrest as a potential death sentence
No, my argument in the abstract means that anyone who resists arrest should understand the police will answer that with force and said force DOESN'T result in deaths in 99,997 cases out of 100,000.

>>4626385
>I want nothing good for black people: the novel

>>4626383
the question is whether the movement in general is peaceful. Who or what is in charge? Where's the momentum going? And if the answer to that does turn out to be "violence and shameless opportunism", then that anon will be right in characterizing the protests as violent, no matter how sad that might be for the people who are the exception.

>>4625671
That's how the riots started yes. The rioting that spilled out into small towns however were just people coming out to wreck shit. We had large groups of people show up at stores after 10pm, work themselves up into a rage throwing shit at the police and jumping up and down on the police cars, then the cops pussied out and left while people ran through destroying and stealing shit. Saw it all on livestream. It's turned most locals against the rioting and looting but of course we still have obnoxious far lefties who think its perfectly fine.

Even Amundsen is surprisingly based, I don't see any shit on his instagram/twitter

>>4626394
That’s all conjecture though. For now, the violence and looting appears to be subsiding.

>>4626403
let's hope you're right.

>>4626385
>there's no reason to believe it's anything but different states applying their different policies
Ah except the disparity is seen even when looking at individual states. Being arrested means that you are being targeted by the police more, it doesn't necessarily mean violence but you will find very strong correlations either way. Furthermore, it's not JUST about violence
>Actually, yes the standard policy is that once there was resistance they are allowed to use as much force as they deem necessary
"As they deem necessary" does not mean that the degree of force is completely up to the police officer and that excessive force does not exist, they are trained to respond to different levels of threat with different levels of force, and in this case there was no threat. Also regarding the arrest, have you looked into the guy? He received 18 complaints and got off with a slap on the wrist, and he got arrested AFTER the protests put pressure on the police iirc.
>and by how metrics can you say they are shitty to blacks specifically if murder per capita isn't one of them?
POST
STATISTICS
FAGGOT
>should understand the police will answer that with force
Regardless of how much of a credible threat you present?

>>4626400
Why do you care so much? Are you married to them or something? I'm so tired of these goddamn threads with you pussies gossiping and whining like a bunch of housewives

>>4625745
except half of them obviously are, preaceful protest rarely work unless you turn it into a real historical moment.
This is not the first time and it will repeat, society can change the hard way.
This whole riot may or may not have been planned, but the fact that it's big enough to mark a page in the history book red, you can't deny there is a ploy behind this chain of event.

>>4625608
>Wtf bros why aren't they also talking about how the slaves rebelling are killing royals and nobles and destroying the property of good first class citizens

>>4626417
nice perpetrator-victim dichotomy, I'm sure it's perfectly applicable to the relationship between police and citizenry.

>>4626360
>Compared to murdering a man or at the very least being charged with manslaughter
Considering how the normal outcome isn't death, no, it's not "potentially murdering a man". Countless types of interaction can potentially lead to death, it's not realistic to always consider that due to the statistical insignificance of the possibility.
>Yes, and you carefully cherrypick things convenient to your argument
Or you know, my argument is drawn from the careful consideration of what I read.
>directly states that the pressure being applied and position contributed to his condition
Without trauma? Do you even understand what "trauma" means in a medical context? It means physical proof that damage was done to a particular area of the body. Without that, there's no evidence to draw the conclusion that "the pressure being applied and position contributed to his condition". You could much more easily look at his toxicology and together with his previous condition draw the conclusion that he had a heart attack due to both the stress, the condition and being on fentanyl.
>And why wouldn't the findings be political
Because they have to register it, same way that statistics aren't biased but conclusions drawn from the are.

>>4626398
More than it being fine, it's about understanding that this is a revolution. It's not supposed to be pretty and yes, it will include innocents being affected for the sake of damage. Big changes will only come when the entire country is affected, not just the ones asking for justice, but this has to become everyone's problem otherwise you could just ignore it and keep drawing saying
>Another cop blatantly kills someone on camera? That shouldn't be possible
I mean you personally won't be helping, probably, but now other people will push the government until they fix the police issue so the riots calm down. And they have to be big enough riots so that just sending the army to shoot them down isn't an option. So yeah ideally this will cause destruction and spread through the country just to defeat the government with numbers and make them the people's bitch for a while


Of course no one wants to be seen as a necessary sacrifice, I guess people could use their weapons to scare looters away, but still understand that this chaos is to pressure the highers ups even if the rioters themselves don't know it

>>4626433
good larp

>>4626409
Because I look up to those people and it breaks my heart to see them supporting terroristic causes and just being blind to the facts. Maybe it does sound childish but I don't have many people in my life that I want to emulate and if I lose them, it makes it all darker

Anyone remember The Purge and how the government had to help the killings because people didn't do it right away like they expected?

>>4626427
>Or you know, my argument is drawn from the careful consideration of what I read.
Then why are you ignoring significant parts of the autopsy reports? It's written right there that the pressure worsened his condition, before the supposed "political pressure"
>It means physical proof that damage was done to a particular area of the body.
Except when you are already suffering from an underlying condition trauma isn't necessarily going to be needed for an action to be fatal. What are you even arguing for? That it was manslaughter or some shit? The fact that he showed such a complete disregard for the guy's life qualifies as murder. As I said, if he demonstrated any concern I would understand your points, otherwise this is just rather weak rationalization.

>>4626444
welcome to the real world and adulthood, anon.
no one is perfect and people will always have their own opinions regardless of how you feel about it. stop looking for heroes, life isn't a marvel movie. focus on becoming the best person you can be and being good to others. you can only control your own actions

>>4626427
Also let me get this straight, you are going to tell me that 5 minutes of the officer sitting on the guy's neck while he's choking isn't evidence to draw the conclusion that this contributed to his death? Should we just assume that if none of this happened and he would be walking around on the streets, he would drop dead regardless and it was just inconvenient timing? Do you realize how utterly absurd this is

>>4626422
If I keep it simple it's just a dixhotonomy that doesn't reflect the real problem, but if I go a bit more in depth >>4626438 it's a larp.
You guys can't be happy with any answer.


Alright, 3rd try's the charm. Half the country voted for the idea of making America Great Again whatever that means, but the other half knows that it means going pre-1960 when certain citizens had all the riches and the higher ups could just silence minorities.
Deep down, a big chunk of the country doesn't give a fuck about a police killing another innocent again, nor do they care about more subtle racism, and others do care but won't ever do anything to change it.
So to hell with it, now people are attacking everything on sight until the government comes up with a decent enough fix for the inequality and power abuse issue. Whatever that fix might be.

Personally I'd be up for destroying the image of soldiers the police has built up lately. We're in an art board after all, you should understand the power image has in affecting the mind.
From their very training, they're trained to be tough guys. Tough on drugs and criminals and all that jazz, then they're also given tactical weaponry that makes them look more and more like SWAT members (though the one that killed Lloyd wasn't like this but still) and also given big weapons.
The police should be changed to be all about being goody two shoes that go around helping people and de-escalating threats, which in theory they are, but the image of "police" should stop being something scary and become goofier like Pic related.
Perhaps change their uniforms to be bright and saturated and get rid of the tacticool equipment, that's reserved for the soldiers and swat members. It'd take police officers a bit down from their horse so they don't feel like they have so much power.

>>4626444
What a fucking bitch.

>>4626444
maybe you should take up their challenge and stop being a little coward good goy cuck to your government and get some principals
even if you don't stand with them, the niggers are based for sticking it to these cocksucker cops and system that have been fucking them in the ass for decades

>>4626433
>it's about understanding that this is a revolution
The one where trump wins by a landslide again and people become 500% more racist and aggressive toward blacks than they were before?