/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

OP is a poor anime style, nobody should strive to draw like that

>>4650690
It's some autist who keeps spamming this awful image
>>/ic/image/TafkiknoRasR44B-YFt3Vw

>>4650785
lol

I haven’t said this in a while but are these threads worth posting to?

>>4650785
at least he made it to start a new general thread with his waifu up front

>>4650849
>he
hmm

>>4650849
It doesn't even look good and there's korean on it. I would have preferred almost anything else. There's nothing to learn or get inspired by from it.

>>4650832
Not really. You're better off in beg, int, alt, trad, or draw thread. asg is the containment board for the kids that think anime is more important than fundies.

so why do we have two duplicate asg threads and one complain thread?

>>4651226
because this is what /asg/s userbase looks like

>>4650682
>>4649890

>>4651226
Fuck it's like the day of 5 /beg/ threads all over again.

>>4651262
im the angry CAR. vroooom. vroooom.

I did some more studies from FLCL of some poses I thought were interesting

>>4651501
i like ur shapes

So when you decide what artists to copy does it matter their technical skill or do you just pick whoever you like?

>>4651226
OP of the other /asg/ thread was dumb enough to put the thread subject in the name field

>>4652765
you're not copying, you're breaking it down. So pick who you like AND pick renowned artists, it's good to learn from both

>>4650682
Are there any studies that people have already done of Kagami and Lilith Soft style characters? Mainly wondering if there have been any done on the women beyond the eyes as I know there are some for that.

>>4652771
LMAO what a loser

how do you get inspiration when someone else has already drawn anime girls from every pose and angle?

>>4653681
how do you get out of bed in the morning, npc?

Not sure if I posted this here but how would I improve this?
The forearms are different lengths cause the left one is foreshortened slightly while right is more straight on, still it kinda looks off

>>4653825
use reference.

>>4653839
I did.
I lost the referenced though so I can't double check where I went wrong but I'm pretty sure I copied it well.

>>4653843
>sausage limbs
no, you didnt

is this anime?

>>4650682
Why are there two generals?

>>4654162
The other one was retarded and never linked from the previous thread, also put the subject in the name field so you can't see it from the catalog.

>>4654125
Not really. Just looks like Loomis Western /beg/ /co/

>>4654125
anime ja nai

?

>>4654259
OR perhaps this is better?

>>4654259
The legs look too small for her body / don't look connected to the hips. Head also looks weird.

>>4654282
well this was my ref

>>4654277
or maybe this is better

>>4654284
Ah, yeah the legs are too short. Head also looks to be in the wrong perspective but not sure about that.
Head perspective looks a bit better on ver 2 though

>>4652771
OP of this /asg/ has shit taste

Did these head studies... am I getting the construction down good or is there a different/better way to construct animu heads?

>>4655275
The original.

>>4654308
I like this one the best for where your style is at right now.

That thick lineart on only the outside edges is so jarring.

is the rule of thumb just to use as huge of a canvas as possible?
like how big a canvas do you think the artist used for pic related?

>>4655522
Just do something around 4k and above

>>4655522
Had to be between 2x-4x larger than what was posted.

>>4655522
What the others said, at least 2x-4x of your output. That doesn't mean you have to start there, you can and should thumbnail at lower resolutions if you want to use interesting brushes that lag at larger sizes or smudging. It's fine to start at like 1000px and then expand your canvas to the desired output when you're happy with the composition.

I'm not sure what that started as but they probably started that with a square canvas like 4k^2, 3k^2, or 3840x3840, there's a lot of weird aliasing on the lines which makes me think it wasn't a multiple of the output. When you're working, stay completely zoomed out for most of it, only zooming in for the detail passes or lining.

Since I mostly post for webshit and don't care about print I just do either 4000x4000 or 6000x4000/4000x6000 for a final piece. They give you enough room to crop shit out if need be while still being generously oversized if you want to print later.

>>4654223
hontou no koto sa

i tried to do a manga style something and it turned kinda bruh, how do i simplify things better it feels kinda beg

>>4656045
Her hair parting makes it look like somebody split her skull open and additionally makes her head shape dome look like a square instead of a circle. Makes her look like a floating mask with nothing behind it.

The one on the left is a qt tho.

>>4656115
Hahahahaha thanks alot man ill look into girl on the right a little bit more

>>4654259
>>4654277
>>4654308
imo 2 is best, though you may unintentionally be leaning into a shoujo art style with it.

>>4656045
your facial features are fucking horrifying, one on the right's cranium looks caved in. lines are shitty, why is there so much detail in the fabric and they're not even good fabric lines? eyes are fucking horrifying and mouths are fuck huge.

>>4656239
Alright man, i heard you, ill take my time to improve haha, though im not sure how to improve my general linework, and simplifying things to make everything fit, do you know what i should look into?

>>4656249
>do you know what i should look into?
how about actual manga you wanna draw like, retard ahaha

>>4651262
I call being muscle duck .

>>4653576
Definitely need more kagami stuff. Can you share what you have? I've got all the artbooks but I finding other info is pretty rare imo. Also his website is dead.

Anon that posted the Beatrice taking a dump sketch yesterday. Decided to help motivate me, I'm going to post stuff sometimes here to catalog my progress. Just finished some face studies since I'm trying to figure out what the magic is that makes the difference between looking pro and looking like a Deviantart kid's How to Draw Manga attempt.

I think it's literally just about clean lines and being careful about accuracy. It matters a shit ton, even more for cartoons than drawing from life. Like you can't be sketchy at all. It needs to be sharp, and accurate.

>>4653681
Because you have specific things that you want to see drawn that you can grow to be able to do yourself? If you have specific fetishes, that's one big reason. Otherwise in general, it's just about you having your own ideas that you wish you could put to paper with a degree of skill. If you don't have this desire, then yeah idk why you would want to learn to draw.

>>4656659

>>4656659

>>4653846
how would you improve this crab?
or do you think a protruding biceps and triceps or a sartorius passing through the leg would be suitable for a bodytype loli?

the leg already has a subtle adductor indication which is compatible for this type of body, and it is clearly possible to see a difference in volume in the limbs, they are not just cylinders

if you're going to follow your shit crab logic, something like a related pic would also be sausage limbs since it's not muscular enough, and before you sperg about it, draw it, show us how to improve it

>>4657590

>>4657590
She doesn't have sausage limbs though
>>4657590
Nigger

>>4657601
>>4657603
>posting cringe pics was the only argument he managed to make
>can't point out the errors and how to fix them
>"I-I will say the N-word"
pathetic

>>4657617
IT SMELL LIKE BITCH IN HERE

>>4657619
just like your mom :DDD

>>4653825
I thought it looked ok. Nice clean lines too. Other guy seems trolling though. Just ignore him.

>>4657622
Well you see, A KING IN HIS CASTLE. A KING ON THE HILL, wasting his times. CHASING CHEAP TRILLS.

>>4657622

beginner here, i want to draw in the style of junji ito but i cant quite figure out how he draws some stuff, particularly the eyes. i've seen a live drawing session but that didnt help much regarding that. does anyone have any advice or tips

>>4657753
draw many lines

>>4657767
thanks

>>4657753
just copy his eyes bro

>>4657753
Just copy their faces several times. Trace construction lines above his drawings. He tends to have a sameface for all of his female protagonists

did ps5 tan drawing on v thread.

>>4657851
does tracing really help you learn. feel like it wont help

>>4657753
Copy his work but also learn to draw real eyes and anatomy. Ito has studied and drawn for years now, referencing a lot of real life things.

>>4658023
I wouldn't recommend it for beginners. Later on it can be useful to help figure out the traits or subtleties you don't immediately see, but as a beginner you'll still be symbol/icon drawing. For this post, I did a 15-20 min study with some tracing for something I've never drawn before. I find this to be an efficient way to study, you'd do the same with tracing paper of old masters paintings.

1 is a block in of what immediately strikes me, trying to evoke the character without getting lost in details. 2 is a trace over to feel the shapes and proportions but not completely copy it, you can spend a lot more time in this step if you're trying to dissect a style. 3 is a freehand copy informed by steps 1 and 2. I feel more confident with this character and style now. I could move on to a clean sketch/inking or trying to draw turnarounds if I really want to drill it in.

Tracing can be a helpful study tool, but use it in moderation and try to understand things from first principles like construction and measuring. Trace some photos of real life and then hide the original, it takes work to make a trace look good. There are all sorts of distortions brought on by cameras that you have to correct otherwise it looks very flat. It's easier to make a drawing look good by learning how to draw with construction and reference than tracing. If you don't know how to draw, tracing won't help much and it'll be very apparent which parts were traced. As you draw more, your innate sense of measuring will improve passively.

Am I redlining this right?
Isn't the ribcage a bit too small, or does this pass off as just style?

>>4658494
I can't tell with your scribbles over it but the ribcage should be at least 1.5x longer than that. I'm sure you misinterpreted the drawing.

>>4658499
Here's the original drawing. Could you redline where the ribcage is?

>>4658500
Alright, I see now, but I don't think this artist gave much regard to anatomy. I don't really think this is what you should be studying from this artist, if you like him.

do i have potential

>>4659075
Looks western

>>4658548
sorry for the late reply, thank you

>>4659382
Why

>>4659104
Now I ain't sayin' she a gold digger...

>>4655275
Nice try

>>4654168
Explain why

Why arent there more books/references/drawings/so on of sexy handsome boys(for female standards/attraction)?

It basically feels like every artist or book basically shows how to draw almost venus-tier beauties but never handsome men, and especially not men that arent either shota/super young or 50 year old wrinkled men. I feel like it should be popular, but it isnt.

>>4659453
>handsome men
They just look like women with some Male features.
The blondey there looks like a straight up girl

>>4659490
are you a liar or a deceiver

>>4659453
We're too busy drawin muscly boys

>>4659075
Gmi

God dammit why are two /asg/ threads?
In any case can anyone tell me what they think
I posted this on the other thread.
>>4658862
>>4658863

>>4654125
nah, keep experimenting asukafag

>>4659620
Because you're a faggot alright

>>4659632
Thanks.

>>4659636
Rude

>>4659632
what's that

gee asg! how come ic lets you have two active threads?

we be drawin

>>4659899
Creepy, it looks like she's holding a doll version of herself

>>4659899
Nice doll

>>4659453
They exist but not as widely scanned as other japanese guide books. I know there's a couple of them on the artbook thread too.

Master study.wip

>>4650682
how do i render cars to make them fit into an anime or manga? i can design and draw cars. im very confident in my sketches but when i try to render either realistically or cartoony they just look like fucking dog shit :(

>>4661568
>>4658035

>>4661568
Show an example of your render so we can say what's wrong

>>4661599
Shut up, bitch.

>>4661600
You can drive my car

>>4661568
they take pictures of real ones and run it through a photoshop or clip studio filter

practice for today :^)
Perspective

practice for today :^)
Perspective

>>4650682
What's your pen and canvas size of choice bros?
I've heard the good artists can use whatever and still look good bit before but I still feel compelled to mirror match someone who's good.

Does anyone know the link to that file with all the translated anatomy tips from this pixiv guy?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/16776564

I'm planning to drop drawing at the right side of the brain, don't want to read wall of text of pseudo-science shit
and instead I'm going to watch brent eviston's videos then gonna continue with keys to drawing, loomis, and hampton then proceed to study my favorite artist's style
what do you think, anons?

>>4662033
I still can't apply it

Hey anons, I'm working on backgrounds like you'd see in a visual novel (linked picture not complete) and I'm having trouble fostering depth and creating a more realistic scene. Any critique/advice you guys have is appreciated.

>>4662283
Amazing

>>4662220
>right side of the brain,
I honestly hate whoever recommended that book

>>4662311
the reason i read it because it was on the sticky, but regretted it

>>4662317
Yes i know
And every person that listens to the sticky too
That's why i never tell people to read the sticky because of that cancer

Took inspiration from Taro, karasu-chan, and Lack. There are some points where I was sloppy with my linework, and I should have done more redering on the eyes, I don't know why I didn't.

>>4662326
Back when the sticky was made, the advice for reading that book was "do the exercises, ignore the pseudo science"

>>4662470
was the book's exercises really that useful?

>>4662429
i love this
blog

>>4662504
Cheers! my twitter is @ultrabondagefae but I do a lot of /trash/ content too.

>>4662498
They're alright but stuff like keys to drawing is way better.

>>4662429
>liliths throne
incredibly based, fuck innoxia though

>>4662683
I've been playing *way* too much LT lately. I'm doing Amber at the moment.

>>4661701
thats for lazy shitfuck loser non-artists.

>>4661701

>>4661701

>>4662762
no, they'd go through newspaper classifieds which are already in monochrome and then trace/copy those with maybe some shadow alterations.

people who actually like cars know how they work and what they look like, they don't have to ask stupid questions like this. car in your pic looks like fucking trash.

>>4655891
Newfag here, if I draw on A4 size, do I need to scale it down later in final piece? and here I thought I could just export it to png and save it...

>>4662429
How did you get this good?

>>4662774
yea but im not a lazy faggot so i draw my own designs. ive drawn thousands of cars. i know without any doubt whatsoever that you can not draw cars anywhere near as well as i can and you are not capable of designing your own. even if you are good at drawing, based on this one comment alone, i can tell that you would not be able to draw an original car. do you know how i know that?

>>4662774

>>4662774
3.

>>4662774
4.

>>4662774
photocopying a picture of a car that already exists is fucking retarded and does not answer the question of how to render in color a drawing of an original design so it looks like anime. let's see your car designs now. show me how well you can draw an original car design.

>>4662794
Saying A4 is meaningless without the dpi. At 300 dpi, that's 2480x3508. At 72, that's 595x842.

You don't have to scale it down, but it's usually done to prevent people from reselling your work. Resizing also acts as a filter to hide imperfections, like supersampling in games to render at 2-4x your monitor's resolution then resize it back down so you don't need to use anti-aliasing. You should generally keep the master resolution to yourself and upload something smaller. And a 90 or high quality JPG instead of a PNG for social media. PNG files will be ridiculously large.

>>4662973
Yes I usually made at 300 dpi.

>>4661899
Nice. Keep grinding, champ

>>4662033
https://e-hentai.org/g/1439988/6607c46407/

>>4662849
I draw every day for about 8-14 hours, I've been working at this rate for about 3ish years? I've been drawing for a bit over 5 years.

I expose myself to as many inspirations as possible. I collect art from thousands of artists from as many genres as possible, and look over it to see what techniques catch my eye. I use xnviewMP to catalog artists by what I like about their work. I try very very hard to look for what each artist is best at, even if they aren't good or if their content isn't to my taste, so I can learn from everything.

To study I think about what I find interesting and why. I'll think about the way something was painted and it's process, and I think about the decisions they made. I'll copy artists I like in my studies and when I am drawing something original I'll look over pictures for ideas on how to handle problems I face. For example, with the smoke in that pic I looked at this and tried to think about the patterns used, then recreate with my understanding.

I think the biggest reason that I am where I am today is that I just didn't give up. I know I can be better, and I am working hard now to make the life of future me better.

>>4657988
Face is cute but arms are a bit rough, good job though anon

>>4663024
>8-14hours a day for 3 years
what the fuck bros... they told me the coomers would loose motivation..

>>4663093
This is just a meme from people who think no fap is real

>>4663024
godspeed anon. Your work is fantastic

Anyone used the "how to" guides on Pixiv. There's too much on there, I'm having trouble figuring out what's worth my time

>>4663024
Motivational

>>4663024
>the biggest reason that I am where I am today is that I just didn't give up.
no, i think it's because you're autistic

>>4663192
Yeah probably. I think there is a very good chance I have high functioning autism, with a sprinkle of adhd.

>>4654125
are you anime

>>4663199
post wrist

>>4662283
>dont think we can't see that bra
looking good tho anon, keep it up

>>4662283
Learn Blender and photography, ie: how camera lenses work and distort perspective based on focal length/focal planes. Mock up backgrounds in blender, get the camera angles right, paint over

>>4663233
My wrists are pretty healthy. I have my tablet on a 45 degree incline, and I'm careful to stretch while working..

>>4660411
Bigger version?

>>4663001
thanks!

>>4663024
>8-14 hours
Are you a neet?

>>4663279
I never leave the house except to buy food once a week (I'm not good with social stuff, and suffer from some mild social anxiety in public), but I am actively employed doing illustrations for a visual novel, I've done some concept art for games, and generally working on commissions etc.

I stay active in my room doing exercises, stretches, cardio, and eating healthy with home cooked meals (I make my own pasta and bread, and oats+banana+milk+yogurt for breakfast)

>>4663288
>>4663024
bless you anon

is there any guide on how to paint dress/clothes with real life reference?

Tried looking into Fly's tutorial on how she lineart/color her arts, it didn't help at all kek. Wish it was longer.

>>4663024
I'm really envious, I would love to do that as well since every time I'm not working I'm drawing. However my current art is super shit, I wouldn't be able to make a living out of it and I need my day job to keep myself alive. If anything I'm sick of how my day job drains my mind and I'm unable to make any decent gains.

>>4664624
I was fortunate enough to have a decent job, and I was able to save up some money and I quit. Then, I moved in with family and also live with some friends to live a bit cheaper until I was earning enough money to support myself.
It's not easy though, there were many times I wasn't getting enough money and I couldn't pay rent, and had to loan some money from family then pay it back asap. Most of the time I was living off $30 or less a week for food.

>>4664689
Sounds to me I will have to take this plunge one day someday. But the prospect of doing this on my mid 30 or 40s is horrifying

Bulma

>>4663024
Holy shit
>I draw every day for about 8-14 hours
I aspire to get to this more than your drawing skill itself lmao

>>4664702
Good luck, Anon! Making the change is scary, but if you can do it, it can be fulfilling.

>>4664718
I'm not where I want to be, yet. I see myself needing another 5 years before I feel I will be at a comfortable skill level.

>>4664727
Sorry, I wasn't trying to disparage your skill, I think they're incredible. I'm just envious of that level of commitment and initiative.

>>4664727
Change is not the problem. The problem is I would be gambling my life for a dream that is altogether out of my reach at the moment. Also I really don't have anyone to rely on at this stage of life

>>4663024
Would you say that fundamentals are important or can I just ignore those and study art like you do to get good?

>>4664756
I tend to stream every day for as long as I can, it really helps to keep me motivated and on track.

>>4664805
I feel this. Everything is a gamble, and there are some points where it's not the best gamble to make. Spend as much time as you can building your skills so that if you do feel you're in a position to make the change you can. When I was working in an office I would practice drawing on the train too and from work on pen and paper, and also sketch when I could on paper while I worked. The results were rough, but I was constantly training my brain to think through things.

>>4664843
Fundamentals are absolutely the most important thing. It's important to constantly study fundamental skills while trying to push how far you can take them. I found a lot of success in studying Fun with a pencil then Vilppu's basic figure drawing book, and this guide also helped me understand how to approach studying art.

Here's a link to some books that I personally found to be the most useful: https://mega.nz/#F!hYAwlYhb!4T2ajC8oWkqnkW9u9pVNtA

I suck at feet so I didn't draw them

>>4664977
literally just look at your own foot then draw it

>when you get around to doing the lineart and it ruins everything

>>4664977
At least box it off so it doesn't look like a spooky ghost

>>4665226
But the line art is the first step anon??

>>4665226
Then once you get the line art down you can enjoy adding colors and ruining everything again. Learning sure is fun.

>>4665226
If your sketch is loose and you do all the work and corrections on your lineart, it gets the soul. If you put all the work into your sketch, your sketch becomes the art and it gains the soul.

Put less effort into the sketch and more into the lineart.

>>4653825
Assuming you're drawing a loli Buffsuki given the thick arms and fridgemode body.. although making her slimmer would not hurt.

>breasts follow the pec muscles, her right breast is her armpit, stretch it up. As the other said, use a reference and learn how to use a reference properly.
>Torso slightly too long
>Glutes slighty visible from the front
>Clavicle positioning affects upper trap form
>Arms check out anatomy wise, they're just buff as fuck

Only progress I've made recently is in coming up with new ways of dissapointing myself

>>4665226
dont do lineart
problem solved

>>4664882
thanks for this post! good stuff here

>>4665371
Thank you
>use a reference
I did ref a child's body like somebody with no signs of puberty, so that's the reason its not that curvy and that's the reason it ended up like that.
Still I'll keep your points in mind for next time, thank you

>>4666279
>I did ref a child's body

>>4666292
It goes without saying that I don't ref real child porn just sfw non porn images cause I want to make a more believable image
I do ref loli hentai sometimes though.

other thread died

>>4666362

>>4666362
legs way too fat

>>4666368
nah

>>4650682
off hand training for 2 month

>>4664993
>>4665236
Ok I drew the feet anything else I should fix up?

>>4666303
>>4653825
I'm still going to coom to your drawings.

>>4666809
>off hand training

you mean you've been drawing with your non dominant hand? why would you do this there have been studies showing that this can damage you developmentally.

what stupid infographic tricked you into doing this

>>4657988
hands are that of a terrifying creature but nice, looks cute

What is a good CSP pen to emulate manga style?

>>4662283
Do you have any more? I'm genuinely interested as I'm learning backgrounds too

Sketching this atm, not sold on the mouth though.

>>4663024
How long did it take to get to a level where you were enjoying your art? I've been at it for a year now and I still very much dislike everything that I finish.

Thanks for being so helpful btw, reading your replies to everything is great.

dont know if this an obscure ask but anyone know how to color really vibrant eyelashes

also I think the shoulders are wrong or something

>Can't fap to my own drawings unless I really try

>>4666303
Sure thing pedo

>>4668160
isn't the same drawing you was doing last threat?

>>4668561
Finished this. Am I on the right path?

>>4668602
A few things are off center when they shouldn't be
Use construction lines

>>4667816
I use both hand

>>4667816
>have been studies showing that this can damage you developmentally.
source

>>4663024
I KNEEL

anyone else lack the motivation to do the lineart after making the sketch? it seems that i only enjoy drawing when im sketching.

Anybody doing this challenge?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAl87Vo4rlI

>>4668458
I would say that it took me about 4 years to consistently create something that I am proud of.

I have two pieces of advice that might help you,
What helped me stick through all the bad art was seeing all the bad pieces I made as stepping stones to the good stuff. Accept that it will be bad. you can't escape that, but every time you make something bad, spend time looking at it and make notes of why you feel it's bad. It doesn't need to be fixed, but just making a note of "my shoulder anatomy skills are weak, I need to spend some time studying shoulders" will help you overcome your hurdles.

Second, understand that at every point in time, there is an absolute ceiling of what you can accomplish, but when you push yourself it raises slightly higher. I remember with a pic I worked on a month ago I wanted to render the eyes similar to krenz. I tried, but everything I produced was just not as good, and never had the same feel. In the end I felt defeated, and gave up making the eye better. The picture itself was neat, I did some really neat stuff I was proud of but I had to accept that my skill with eyes just wasn't at the level I wanted it to be at. I can see the quality I want, but I can't comprehend how to get there. But I can see that there is a gap, and I am looking forward to doing some realistic eye studies to improve. But I had to do something I can see is wrong before I'll be able to do it better.

>in an art discord
>most of the time retards post grainy photos of dragon ball z characters on lined paper
>someone posts this
>sides are now in orbit

>>4668458
>>4669118
I'll be 2 years in October and I still absolutely despise everything I make. Everyone seems to say you have a number of bad drawings in you but I seem to be a limitless source of terrible stuff and I currently feel doing anything I like is absolutely impossible even in 10 lifetimes and it scares me to death.

>>4669163
You understand that it's terrible because you're exposed to things that are god tier.

Hang in there anon. I believe in you. Work hard and struggle for the future you who is proud that you managed to hang in there.

>>4650682
How do I know who to copy when I have shit taste and my the works that I think "wow, this looks nice" all have anatomical errors when I deconstruct it?

>>4669118
Yo UBF, been meaning to ask you this for awhile, but what books would you recommend and how’d you go about studying them?

>>4669254
These are the books I studied https://mega.nz/#F!hYAwlYhb!4T2ajC8oWkqnkW9u9pVNtA

In order to start I suggest loomis FWAP, perspective made easy, Vilppu, mattesi, hampton. The others all offer some different perspectives, or specific things (like gurney's colour + light). Creative illustration is fantastic.
The hogarth and bridgman ones I include because they offer a alternative explanation that helped explain some things for me, also head+hands stuff is always good. I think that due to their wildly different drawing style, it can help understand some things about drawing.
Alla Prima is a really great book, gave me some good tools to approach painting and how to think about art.


To study loomis/vilppu I suggest having a quick flip through of all the pages and seeing what it's about, then work through each section where you copy the studies, then do your own and think about what you're drawing and what's being taught. A site like quickpose helps with gesture stuff. I tend to go back and read something to help job my memory about specific things (especially colour/light)

>>4669178
Im truly lost and really don't know what to do. I have been going through keys to drawing as a means of going back to basics and its making me realize my observation is pretty bad but other than that it feels like wasted effort.

>>4669315
>loomis
You are only this good because t-talent.

>>4669320
It's a long process my dude. The hardest thing is staying positive when you know you're going to fail, and early on when you know you aren't good everything is a failure.

Stick to it. every failure you make is a chance for you to improve.

>>4669331
I don't have talent. When I was a kiddo in school, I didn't get any awards for anything. When I started art people told me I would never make it. But because I know that I have no talent, I know I have to work harder than everyone else. That's why I autisticly draw all day so I do make it.

>>4669343
I know, i’m just meming. A lot of people in this board, especially /asg/ would say shit like that. I just hope your experiences motivate those poor saps.

>>4669343
watching you stream rn, is the furry roleplay in chat vital for gains?

>>4669351
Yeah I know it's a meme, but I'm responding to it seriously so that the lurking anons reading it are reminded that we are all gunna make it.

>>4669355
Embrace your inner degeneracy to unleash your full potential.

>>4651262
Shottie being the Frog thing in the background

>>4666363

>>4663024
>>4669118
Honestly, reading this is pretty motivational as someone starting out, but I'm also a stubborn dumb bastard, I can see the advice, but because I'm an idiot I have a hard time imagining how I could apply it, and I know damn well the reason I can't imagine it or I chalk up the excuse as my imagination/creativity not having been developed, is because I haven't tried it, and practiced the stuff in say Loomis. I know it'll bite me in the ass most likely sometime down the line, but for now I guess I'll follow whats listed on the pastebin in the OP, and aim for being able to draw stuff thats passable, but keep my end goal in mind throughout learning.

>>4668596
No, this is a new sketch, the last thing I worked on was this:

Does anyone know any artists that don't do same faces but all faces are appealing? It's always one template appealing face and the rest are ugly. Is this even possible?

oil on canvas

did use a projector to trace though, which is fine i guess, i just wanted a painting of this and wanted to practice painting skin n such.

there is a slight distortion though
will post original in a sec

>>4670595

>>4670597
this is pretty much garbage, i wouldn't do studies of this
i.e. look how flat the neck is, pillow shading, boobs out of proportion, ayy lmao head shape, shoulders

>>4665330
hey i tried this and it seems to be working, thanks anon

>>4665226
When I erase the sketch under the ink, I literally feel like I am erasing the drawing’s soul

any popular pixiv artists that have shared their work tools/tablet models?

>>4663024
>8-14 hours
Bullshit

>>4670595
seek better reference

>>4671248
What do you do all day that stops you from doing art, Anon?

>>4671629
Coom

>>4663024
Nice

Think I need to start tracing Nomura's art because I keep fucking up the proportions (among other things)
Besides doodling and drawing what I like, I'm also going through the NMA head course featuring Steve Huston (fantastic teacher)
/blog

>>4672450
Looks like shit

>>4672450
Looks pretty cool.

>>4672450
looks like a pretty cool shit

>>4651501
I did a couple more studies from FLCL. Someone told me to try doing them in pen, gonna try doing that next time. right now these studies are to get a general 'feel' for how they draw and stylize stuff. trying to imagine the process. the poses are really cool, the more cartoony ones are really fun to draw.
When looking at the finished poses in the anime, I always wondered how they came to them since they look so perfect. but while studying them, I got the impression that the animator was just kinda like "eh, fuck it, it'll look like this." feels very off the cuff and natural, and most importantly they seem super lively. don't know how to explain it exactly

>>4673057
sorry to spam the thread, but I did a few more FLCL studies with a pen. these are all from the same sequence. treated it a bit more like figure drawing to capture the main parts of the pose rather than going for on-model accuracy.

>>4670597
This is /beg/ tier anon, don’t you know how to find good art?

am i doing this right? i guess I learned something, but I really just don't know if this is helpful/good way to practice.
>just tracing
yeah, kinda.

>>4673344
>ref_practice
>tracing
>sidemouth
>I learned something
>But I don't know
At this point you are either laughing or crying at the complete negligence of life drawing, it is as if you actually want to cripple yourself and remain a mediocre one trick pony that continues to draw floating amawu heads in the same 3/4 view it is very depressing. You want to know if it is helpful? No, it isn't It's a great way to sabotage yourself by having to unlearn all that crap you are doing now instead of going straight to bare bone fundamentals and applying them to what you want.

The only thing you've learned here is how offset that mouth is but because you have preconditioned yourself with horrible advice in this threads so much you actually believed this was a good "reference" and now you think you have learned that these sidemouths/flounder faces are somehow correct and acceptable because it is some kind of style. Well it's not, it originates from animating on the cheap it is not a style it is there to save time and money in order to remain on a strict deadline and budget. Fucking hell these threads.

>>4673344
>>4673375
and I am going to spoonfeed you retards just this once, instead of parroting Loomis to you drooling braindead tards here is an alternative that is both stylized, sugarcoated, and essentially dumbed down to keep you short attention-spanned ADHD autists interested enough.

>>4670597
Some Top Tier Art :)
piromizu
https://yande.re/post?tags=piromizu
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:piromizu

Iizuki Tasuku
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:iizuki+tasuku
https://yande.re/post?page=6&tags=iizuki_tasuku

Kagami
https://exhentai.org/g/1081166/1930d1c1cf/
https://exhentai.org/g/479495/af8b226075/

Puuzaki Puuna
https://exhentai.org/g/1574812/b23a4ce236/

Hews
https://yande.re/post?tags=hews
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:hews

Sasamori Tomoe
https://exhentai.org/tag/artist:sasamori+tomoe
https://yande.re/post?tags=sasamori_tomoe

Aoi Nagisa
https://exhentai.org/g/1234537/fd8565d682/?p=3
https://yande.re/post?tags=aoi_nagisa_%28artist%29+

Choco Chip
https://yande.re/post?tags=choco_chip
https://exhentai.org/g/1525581/f55bacde9c/

>>4662429
>>4663024
We think kind of similarly. I've been working about 8 or more hours daily for about 5 years now, and I think you're making great progress! I think what would help you most is getting back in touch with anatomical fundamentals. Of course copying artists you like is fun, but understanding the anatomy underneath makes it a much more enjoyable experience to dissect another artist's creation. There are a lot of proportional issues in your drawing, and that may be because you didn't sketch the full figure initially. By sketching the whole body and then cropping, you won't be susceptible to the issues that you might be unaware of. For example, her arms and hand are too large in this image.
Other problems were things like how the corset around her is a thicker material and wouldn't create such easy folds. Her head was squashed and very wide, which actually doesn't happen from a low angle like this. Her ears were attached to the back of her head. Her cheek is also misshapen, and her facial features were either misplaced, too large, or both. Her eyes needed a lot of changing, and it seems you didn't consider the planes of the face when drawing it. I've made them asymmetrical (one squinting a bit more than the other) to convey her expression better, and redrew and skewed the mouth to follow the planes of the face as well.

>>4663024
>>4673400
>Everyone is a great fulfilled artist with plenty of time and basically I'm fucking stupid
Meanwhile here I am, barely can get free time due to a shitty day job and I'm stuck with keys to drawing trying to draw fucking camels like Delacroix. Where did it all go so fucking wrong for me.

>>4662429
>>4663024
We think kind of similarly. I've been working about 8 or more hours daily for about 5 years now, and I think you're making great progress! I think what would help you most is getting back in touch with anatomical fundamentals. Of course copying artists you like is fun, but understanding the anatomy underneath makes it a much more enjoyable experience to dissect another artist's creation. There are a lot of proportional issues in your drawing, and that may be because you didn't sketch the full figure initially. By sketching the whole body and then cropping, you won't be susceptible to the issues that you might be unaware of. For example, her arms and hand are too large in this image.
Other problems were things like how the corset around her is a thicker material and wouldn't create such easy folds. Her head was squashed and very wide, which actually doesn't happen from a low angle like this. Her ears were attached to the back of her head. Her cheek is also misshapen, and her facial features were either misplaced, too large, or both. Her eyes needed a lot of changing, and it seems you didn't consider the planes of the face when drawing it. I've made them asymmetrical (one squinting a bit more than the other) to convey her expression better, and redrew and skewed the mouth to follow the planes of the face as well.

>>4673418
Here's a GIF of the process!
With the lighting, you didn't consider the difference of cast or form shadows. With thinner materials, more subsurface scattering will be visible. And to fill the scene more and convey the forms, ambient cool bottom light was added, as well as a top warm light. A rim light coming from the upper right was added as well.
I recommend reading Color and Light by James Gurney, and How To Render by Scott Robertson.
Always think of the forms in 3D, and if any part of the character would be in the way of light and cast a shadow on a different part of the body!
Sorry about the previous post's deletion. Had a mistake that needed fixing.

>>4673419
>Sorry about the previous post's deletion. Had a mistake that needed fixing.
You deleted that shit so you can plaster your fucking name? Please continue using that tripcode so we can filter out your cancerous narcissism.

>>4662429
Soul
>>4673418
Soulless

>>4673425
Tge thing is all his suggestions are good and will result in better structure in terms of anatomy, but the japanese artists simply never prioritize anatomical correctness over appeal, you can clearly see it in the way the affect of the expression is lost in translation in MM's redraw
I think this thread confirms the effect which i hereby term the /ic/ effect which can be summed up as missing the forest for the trees

>>4673379
Not that guy but thanks, strangely aggressive but helpful anon.

>>4673464
You do need a certain amount anatomical correctness, though, or it’ll look cartoonish and unappealing.

>>4673481
Usually if it is unappealing throwing anatomy at it won't make it better

>>4673482
I think that Marmalade guy kind of overdid it on the face, but everything else he said was sound. You have a point, but I hate it when anons say anatomy doesn’t matter because “muh appeal!” because most of the time better anatomy does improve the appeal, plus it sends a bad message to /beg/s.

>>4673418
>I've made them asymmetrical (one squinting a bit more than the other) to convey her expression better
what expression lmao you destroyed any character the original had? i don't like either but this is mostly just nitpicking and not really improving anything, you just drew it in your shitty style instead.

I can't figure it out

>>4673379
Looks western

>>4673418
Hey thanks a lot for the pointers! I really appreciate the insight a lot!

Anatomy is 100% something I'm always studying to get better with, and you're spot on about the proportions. The initial thing was just a fan art sketch of the face that evolved a lot and ended up being really neat. A lot of my recent works have been really exploratory, and seeing how far I can push certain elements over the course of the picture but it really leaves some underlying fundamental issues that a couple of my friends have pointed to, and I'm not sure how to address that unless I restart the whole thing near the end with all the new things I've learnt.

My biggest source of inspiration for the style of these is karasu-chan (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/17779015)), I really love their linework and emotion a lot, and I've been studying them *way* too much. They tend to stretch and squish their anatomy and faces in a way that works really well in a chaotic monster girl manga, but I think it's a bit harder to get away with some of the stylisation when I can't match their energy (which is something I am constantly trying to improve). For the ears, I tried to make it feel like she was pissed off and putting her ears down, but I certainly could have expressed it clearer.

(1/2)

god I wish I had the attention span to draw more than 3 hours a day at least
ehh got demotivated by this thread

>>4673419
Fabric stuff is something I haven't really studied yet, and it was mainly an exercise in designing a maid outfit, but I really like how you handled the shirt. It really feels like the black section is hugging and pulling the white part so tight! it's something I wanted to achieve, but I'm just not skilled enough with clothes yet.

Initially for the lighting I was just doing multiple very rough colour studies of some work Lack did, and for the final one I was incredibly sloppy with the lighting, since I really just wanted to see how that composition with the light on the hand would would look. It ended up looking really fantastic and I was inspired to add some mist around her to make her feel a bit more sinister, and I didn't plan on sharing it until some friends pushed me to post it.

I've since actually been asked by the dev of the game if they can put that pic in, so I tied it up for them and it's attached too, but generally light is something I'm really weak with, especially cast shadows and ambient lights. I usually give gurney's book a read every couple of months to brush up and learn more things, but It's been waaaay too long since I've read it now. I haven't read how to render yet, I'm not sure why. I'll have to give it a read!

Thanks again for taking the time to redraw it and providing perspective on areas I can improve! I really appreciate it a lot.

>>4673959
>milking
>ryona
>guro
Based polak

>>4673418
Thanks a lot, you actually offered some pretty good advice and I agree with your post, but some of the energy of the original picture was lost in your redrawing. It mostly boils down to stylistic choices (like the squashed head), I feel like the original art had a lot more personality.

>>4674460
Fuck off with your SOUL meme and get some taste, nigger.

>>4674476
You are the one mentioning this soul shit. MM's advice is solid and his drawing has a way better anatomy and pointers the original artist could learn and apply, but I still like how the face in the original drawing was stylized and how expressive it was. Fuck off with your "taste".

>>4673222
these are really good, keep it up. (•̀ᴗ•́)و ̑̑

>>4674578
No he has a point
It did become cold after and it's inoperable to notice when you're losing something important in the design.
Op of the image replied and stated he was trying for specific expressions and that guy completely erased it

What's the best way on training your consistency, any books on the topic?

>>4674608
Just Draw More by andrew loomis

>>4674601
UBF here. MM has better facial anatomy and construction for sure. I'm pretty terrible when it comes to human faces, I much prefer drawing cute /trash/. I spent a long time trying for the smug/dominant/sadistic/excited expression I really wanted to push, and I think it comes across better, but this doesn't discount MM's very solid advice.

how the fuck do i draw faces

>>4674637
Didn't say it did

>>4674608
Keep doing the same things. Make a process or construction and go through all the steps, take care to measure instead of improvising everything. Over time you'll become more consistent without realizing it.

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>>4674712
I should try and find some books and videos on constructions, rip measurements, I failed math, was allowed to pass due to not being a shitter

>>4673379
I remember seeing that guide years ago and it helped me so much.

>>4673692
The principles are universal. Just remove the lower eyelid and place a dot instead of a nose. Avoid the flounderface and dont abuse s-shaped eyebrows.

>>4673964
The face in your drawing looks nothing like the ones in your references. Theirs looks, while distorted, still moe, while yours looks like something you’d see on Cartoon Network. Unless that was on purpose, I recommend sharpening your observation skills, because yours doesn’t look “anime” at all. Not crabbing, just genuine criticism.

>>4673222
I did a few more pen studies over my lunch break. these are mostly in betweens from FLCL's action scenes that I thought were interesting. I like it when they foreshorten the calf behind the thigh, looks kinda dynamic.
>>4674593
thanks BRO!!!

>>4674937
Face looks too tilted compared to jawline, mouth too high up, arms too long, eyes are boring, twintails are asymmetrical, ear is too high up, and don’t just give up on the hands and feet. Other than that, it’s mildly cute. I like the body proportions.

When do I get to draw zako??

>>4675148
your studies look good, how long have you been drawing?

>>4674937
you should work at way higher resolutions. eyes could use some tweaking but everything else looks great

>>4675148
okay... I attempted making up a few poses to help it stick. very off model and very messy/janky, but I tried to apply some of what I observed in the show's drawings. dynamic poses seem to be much easier when the character is floating in space lol
>>4675194
thanks, I've been drawing a while but took a bit of a break last year. getting back into it now.

>>4675459
how do you approach doing studies or drawing poses like this? was there anyone like loomis you studied?

Am i doing this right? Following the chinese yt videos

>>4675634
Ref

>>4675634
learn anatomy and grind some forms

>>4675638
Why are you using a shitty ref?

>>4675533
for the pose study stuff, I was treating it like I would figure or gesture drawing except the model was the character. I focussed on just capturing the movement of the pose while keeping an eye on overlapping forms and the relationships between different body parts. that's why I liked the calf foreshortening, it seems pretty bold to basically cover the entire lower leg with the thigh, but so long as you see the foot at the end it seems to read pretty well. kinda neat. I also tried to pick up on the little style quirks they do (like the little triangles for clothing folds).
the Walt Stanchfield life drawing book goes into this a lot, I found it really helpful when I read it a little while ago. it's much less analytical than Hampton or Loomis and talks a lot about 'feeling' and pushing the gesture of a pose.

>>4675686
>Walt Stanchfield
i should read that book; i'm studying vilppu currently and i heard stanchfield references him a lot

Working through Michael Hampton's Figure Drawing book. Am I better or worse than gray sketch tranny?

Started taking drawing seriously about 2 months ago, spent a month doing loomis faces, now started figure drawing seriously in the past month.

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>>4675884
>>>/ic/beg

beg spam, at least put them in one image. it's garbage fundies stuff but if you keep at it you'll get better.

new thread
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