/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Is OEL manga ("manga" made by native English speakers in English originally) valid?

>>4813573
Only OFL manga is valid (Radiant)

>>4813541
hypothetically, would you hate a character outright if it were heavily implied they were a slave/sex trafficker?
is that too heavy for a hero/antihero in a shounen manga?

>>4813583
For the contest or in general?

>>4813583
I wouldn't but most would. Only way I could see to make it work would be a "protagonist infiltrates a villain organization to take them down" situation where he's merely pretending.
Gotta remember that even with anti-heros, or rather ESPECIALLY with anti-heros: you still need to give your readers a reason to root for them. Even with outright villainous protagonists, there needs to be something about them to endear them to the readers, and just "is cool and badass" is simply not enough.

Also this >>4813592
Pretty sure Jump has a thing about their protagonists being role models, with few exceptions (only one off the top of my head is Light Yagami).

>>4813592
the contest i guess.
they're a morally dubious character who is doing the right thing in this situation but idk if that's too much for shounen jump and jump readers.
like realistically, they move opium and weapons, they'd move girls too if they had them but is that too much realism? iirc even vagabond doesn't really get into that stuff too heavily.

>>4813602
Just don't show them doing anything bad on-screen. Make them a relatively moral character whenever the spotlight is on them.

>>4813597
Another exception would be chainsaw man. The guy's goals are to sleep in a bed, eat food, and touch anime tiddy. Not really much of a role model and that shit gets kind of inappropriate at times and yet SJ was all over that shit because its popular.

I think it really doesn't matter to them as long as its popular.

>>4813602
https://medibang.com/terms/contest
Read no.3

>>4813602
>opium
drugs are a big no no

>>4813624
>Another exception would be chainsaw man. The guy's goals are to sleep in a bed, eat food, and touch anime tiddy. Not really much of a role model and that shit gets kind of inappropriate at times and yet SJ was all over that shit because its popular.
Eh, he does the right thing in the moment. Plenty of Jump protagonists have few or small aspirations, but few have outright malicious or morally dubious methods. Almost none would kill innocents other than Light.

>>4813608
it'd be one throwaway line basically
[midboss]
well if it isn't the queen bitch herself!
finally done with running away are you?
[balda]
you know this is well within violation of our agreement
[midboss]
AGREEMENT?!
BAH!
opium
fireworks
guns
girls if you can find them, boys if you can't
i graciously offer *my* city to scum like you
but princesses? we never said anything about princesses!
[balda grimacing]
[midboss]
but i'm in a good mood tonight so let's make a deal, for this one i'll pay double.
double and you get to walk away with your lives, you know i'm a charitable man.

>>4813639
>>4813624
SJ typically wants one more "mature" manga in their lineup for the sake of balance. Same reason they allow titty fanservice manga to be part of their line up, and etc... It's all about balance, it's not all just battle manga, or all just sports manga, or all just mystery manga, or all mature manga, or all ecchi, etc... they leave plenty of leeway in order to have variety, that said, it doesn't matter for the contest, but usually some of the more niche manga tend to compete with each other if two of them get in, as there's less available "slots" persay. Bakuman went over all of this.

All that aside, there are restrictions, and drugs are a huge no-no in Japan. Learn to be edgy without being overly so. Sex trafficking, rape, drug abuse, drug trafficking, suicide, etc.... are all kinda crossing the line for a Jump manga, and it's unlikely amateur writers will have the experience necessary to write about these topics with the delicacy you need to give them. If this is your first time writing, or you're still an amateur, avoid edgy topics for the sake of being edgy or shocking. Just, general advice. Writing about those things is a lot harder than you might think, as readers can tell when you're trying to be edgy for the sake of shock value. What matters is the significance of those things to the main character, in other words, you could replace some of those aspects with seemingly lighter or more acceptable negative actions and still ahve it carry weight, as what matters, is the signigicance to the characters.

>>4813649
replace opium with either "booze" or "illegal substances" just for safe measure regarding the constest rules. And before you think "that's dumb" remember there was a time in America when alcohol was the opium of the nation, and was banned and the source of all crime in that era.

>>4813657
Following up on this. Look at Han Solo in SW. He was a smuggler. Illegally trafficking goods across the galaxy. What goods? Who knows. But it could be imlied some of it was shady stuff like narcotics, slaves, and so on... but the story never specifies cause it's unneccessary. We know, from the character interactions and relationships, that Han Solo was a morally grey character. A scoundrel with a good side. You never needed the story to tell you that he smuggled drugs or slaves, or that Han was involved in specific illegal things in order to understand he was an antihero. Same for Jack Sparrow, and pirates are even more scummy. I would be fair to assume Jack did all sorts of fucked up shit, but the story never details it. It's just rum, theft, and hookers (implied even on that last one). You know Jack is a scoundrel based on his character and events of the story, not cause the story went, ohh, "look Jack, about your past history with opium."

>>4813665
the setting is basically a fantasy version of the istanbul during the opium wars, so i'm willing to get dq'ed on that end if they don't like that.
i care more about how the audience feels tbqh.

maybe something like:
oh? or are the Orekhovskaya finally looking to get into *soft goods*?
well i'm going to make a lot of money tonight and that means i'm in a good mood so here, for our new arrangement
i pay you double for the girl [yada yada yada]

>>4813688
You can just exchange Opium with a fictional drug/resource. Insert “magical mcguffin resource that rips off Dune’s Spice and can cause addiction when consumed” here. It’s not hard. Just use opium as a point of reference if it’s that important for your story. Hell, call it Poppy if you want.

Can you make something like SOL but in fantasy setting without making it boring?

>>4813826
Yeah its called dot hack.

>>4813826
There's quite a few of those. Most Isekai in fact are basically that.

>>4813833
>without making it boring

>>4813836
I mean, SoL is by its very nature, boring.

All of the Manben documentaries on youtube are gone...

Did anyone save them by chance?

>>4813874
>All of the Manben documentaries on youtube are gone...

>>4813874
>>4813883
They're still up on dailymotion.
https://www.dailymotion.com/HabaneroScans/videos

/ic/ how do I draw like Oh! great? I've done studies on how he draws stuff and extreme perspective but is that enough? there are no artbooks or videos by Oh! great that describe his process. Is there any more I can do?

>>4813894
You have to study many of his works and copy his line work, not just the perspective or design. It's a long road to reach that level, if it were as easy as copying a few drawings then it would be nothing special.

>>4813910
I will do it, I'm going to do whatever it takes god damn it. It might take me years but whats 10 more

>>4813888
Yay! Thank you anon!

What are the chances of dailymotion taking these down?

>>4813918
They've been up for half a decade, anon. Low.

>>4813923
i see, thanks. These videos have gotten me through thick and thin.

>>4813888
I've watched this man for 10 minutes and I think I love him no homo

Is there any books or course on storyboarding camera movent composition any tips on that stuff

>>4814065
Frames Ink. Also, books for cinematography. I don’t know of any, but they’re out there. People who wanna get into Hollywood often read them.

>>4813996
we didnt need the female narrator

can someone give me a good reason as to why the (now transformed and evil) rabbit would want to kill the protagonist and prevent her from leaving the planet on the ship they both just fixed?

all i know is the bunny is going to turn ripped
all of which is happening during the black hole approaching and tearing the landscape up (they have like 10 minutes)

all i have is that the rabbit knows the protags name without her telling him which freaks her out and also that she's actually a ????

>a fugitive? a former mob member ?? idk!!!

Does he want to eat her? does he want revenge? is there not enough fuel to get both of them off the planet in time?

i just want him to explain his motive and then fight her, beat her up, and then die because she secretly turns on the cannons on the now fixed ship in time.

she blasts off barely and yadda yadda END CHAPTER 1

>>4814252
>can someone fix my total lack of planning or direction

Hey, I'm back with a second entry for the contest.

https://medibang.com/book/112008231906366660004378258/view/

I feel pretty exhausted but at least got it done before the deadline, also had to go with first draft and cutting corners quite bit.
I guess that's how it is when you have a strict
time limit.
Good luck for your entries, I hope you can get them done in time.

>>4814392
>2 entries
fuck i'm struggling with one

>>4814392
>https://medibang.com/book/112008231906366660004378258/view/

fuckin solid

>>4813553
>grand prize, 2nd, and 8 honorable mentions.
Japanese contests don't woek like that.
There is only a grand prize if there is a work that deserves it. Same with seconds and honorable mentions, I also don't believe their filtering would be by taste, only by criteria (too small, colored, a draft...)

>>4814392
>https://medibang.com/book/112008231906366660004378258/view/

Oh that's so cool! I didn't know you were in the boards anon. :)
I really enjoyed The Dark Inheritance.
Did you re-upload it by the way? I don't know what happened to the original entry. =A=;;

>>4814392
>>4814931
Also... I'm really impressed with anyone who puts in 2 entries... The 1st one kicked my ass so much I'm kinda still recovering, haha.. ^_^;;;

>>4814828
>There is only a grand prize if there is a work that deserves it.
Their criteria is probably pretty harsh. You’ve got to imagine they’ve read everything under the sun and can filter out stories that doesn’t meet Jumps already high standards.
It’s one thing to impress the internet masses, but another to impress the editors and judges who have a very refined eye on what constitutes a good manga.

>>4814931
>>4814939
Yeah I had to reupload it because of some issues with the compressed pages. Asked from MediBang for help and they advised to delete it and upload again.
Well, the issues still remain but I suppose it's okay since the judges have the original files which are good quality.
Just a bit sad of deleting all the views and comments.

Here's the reupload for those who missed it.
https://medibang.com/book/o82008231744269080004378258/

I happened to finish the first one around the same time this contest popped so I just put it in there. Second one took 3 months from start to finish.

>>4814971

oh ishida kun youre a gift

(never change)

>>4814971
>Jump
>High quality standards
>good manga

Jump's only standard is $$$

>>4815178
Burst out laughing.

>>4815198
Have you made a product that sells anon? Would you buy from anyone who submitted?

>>4815219
>Would you buy from anyone who submitted?
Yes. This guy >>4814392

He won't win though; Jump want standardized nekketsu stories

>>4815249
So you’re saying he’s not meeting Jumps standards?

>>4814971
No, Medibang will not play judges before jump, medibang aren't editors or judges, they just host the contest and translate. whether the art is fair or the story is enticing is what the judges are for, they just host, translate, and remove submissions that do not fit the criteria (colored, off resolution, offensive, 18+, taken with a phone camera from a mathematics notebook...)
>>4815249
Take peek at manga plus if you have time, jump's catalog goes far beyond the toriyama style works, as entertaining as they are.
Good writing and soulful art do not go unnoticed. The vertical world is a wonderful example of that
>>4814392
Soulful work, friend! good luck

>>4813541
sharing my Main girl design.

>>4815378
>No, Medibang will not play judges before jump
I never mentioned Medibang?

>>4815389
I see. A misunderstanding. The post that was linked to the old thread was talking about medibang's exclusion and inclusion of work before translation. I was sure you meant those.

how feasible is it to assemble a team of assistants to help me finish these last few pages in a week?

>>4815414
Can you pay for a team of assistants for a whole week?
If not, make a decision about these pages to make them feasible. The man in charge must take risky cuts and decisions to finish on time no matter what.

>one week to go

>>4815378
Mad offender on the resizing thing right here. When you're exporting the file, scale it down by a percentage my dude. That image really does not need to be 7000 pixels tall. This applies on 4chan and it applies to your entry.

>>4815414
The time you spent corralling a group of probably incompetent artists would be better spent rushing through pages. Stop reading this thread and fucking DRAW.

>>4815505
I was planning on using medibang's size for b4 manga paper
The size they give is 22.6cm over 31.6cm in 600 dpi
That would be 5339 by 7465.
I have no idea what are the appropriate dimensions. If you know what sizes I should be gunning for shoot em my way.

>>4814252
Did you unironically not plan ahead?

>>4815540
You don't need to export at that size dude. That would be stupid. So long as the source files are on a large canvas then it doesn't really matter if you export at like 20% of the canvas size. Below 2k pixels in either dimension should be the max you resize for for online publishing. Anything larger is total overkill and starts to become annoying for people trying to open the images.

>>4815570
Sound logic.
What sizes do you guys export at or have exported at for the competition?

>>4815572
I export at 25%. It could go even lower, 20 or even 15%, but I've used very thin lines a lot. Not like people won't be reading from the medibang reader anyway, which looks like it just fits to the height of your monitor.

>>4815577
Double dubs
I'll take that into account.
Is there any way to print out medibang's guideline paper for traditional reference?

>>4815611
Just buy manga paper online. Manga paper is meant to be B4(?) size (The big one), and already comes with all the guidelines.

>>4815620
I don't have a scanner for paper that big. Shipping doubles the price of the unit.
I like the medibang template a lot, but I'll have to do with an online template then.

Did you guys actually make something? I was thinking about it months ago but didn't bother with it

>>4815659
>did
Still truckin' brother.

>>4813541
I've been researching manga stories and most of them follow the story structure known as "Kishoutenketsu" or 起承転結.
>https://stilleatingoranges.tumblr.com/post/25153960313/the-significance-of-plot-without-conflict
Apparently, the correct method of planning a manga is to distill the story into 4 mayor acts: Introduction, development, twist and conclusion.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGiajG2g-Nc
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfi0FvD9Yu0

So if you guys are having any trouble plotting your manga try to follow this story structure.

I really hope this thread series keeps going after the contest ends.

>>4815684
i don't understand this shit at all.
does this mean that my entry is fucked if it doesn't follow that structure thing?

>>4815684
I also recommend Dan Harmon’s story circle as a tool for structure. Most important parts being “character gets what they want” “but they pay a price for it” to retain momentum in your story.

>>4815738
No, story structure is a tool to doctor your story if it’s not good/you’re stuck. Much like art, there are no rules in writing, just tools and fundamental concepts. The fundamentals of storytelling come down to the purpose of stories:

Stories are guides to life. So, as long as your story is trying to tell something with its tale, and the characters create conflict by being vessels of those beliefs, you’re on the right track.

Now, that doesn’t mean you have to do that to make an entertaining story, but if you want your story to have lasting appeal and meaning, it’s good to tackle it from that angle. You look at any story that’s stuck with you a long time, and you’ll notice you can distill it into that fundamental idea.

>>4815723
I plan on posting various rough draft manuscripts, outlines, and possibly screenplays on here for additional feedback over the coming months. As, once I’m done with my entry, I’m gonna shift my focus entirely toward improving my writing.

I’ll also post art and stuff since people like that.

>>4815723
I will stick around. The contest is making me aware where I’m deficient at and what I need to study more.

Also want to see what other anons have planned like >>4815763.

>>4815723
Personally I'll likely lurk and discuss but I doubt I'll post my work much here in the future. Generals tend to get incestuous and circlejerky over time. It's good now because there's a focus and a time limit but as generals continue indefinitely the quality of the threads inevitably decline. I'd rather not have my work be from "that guy in the shitty general" in a year or so.

>>4815772
I bought a screenplay course from a Hollywood editor, and have been learning a lot about writing. I pretty much know exactly where I fucked up with my entry, as well as where I’ve been fucking up with previous stories and the like. I’m very excited to get started writing with this newfound knowledge and support.

Feedback is the most important thing. Just write every day, and get feedback on finished drafts. It’s the only way to naturally develop. Again, not dissimilar from how you get better at drawing.

>>4815783
>I pretty much know exactly where I fucked up with my entry, as well as where I’ve been fucking up with previous stories and the like.
Mind giving a rundown? I find that sort of thing interesting.

>>4815799
Gimme a bit to finish my entry and post it to break down all my mistakes with examples. I’ll be done by Sunday Japan Time.

>>4815684
I love how this shit is literally just standard storytelling but weebs and uneducated japanese people act as if it was some kind of inherent japanese way of telling stories.

This shit is literally just the 3 act western structure except they make the "climax" its own category.
Your picture is the little red riding hood, a western tale.

The only time true "kishōtenketsu" (like in your tumblr link) can be used is in 4komas or haikus because it can't work in a proper story

>>4815804
Sure, no problem. Looking forward to it.

>>4815829
KSTK has a little more nuance than the three act structure, or rather how the three act structure is regularly taught. Western storytelling revolves around conflict, KSTK allows you to tell stories with conflict because it focuses around contrast and revelation.

For example:
Ki - introduce topic
Sho - elaborate idea 1
Ten - introduce seemingly unrelated 2nd idea that contrasts what we’ve seen till now
Ketsu - tie it all together by revealing previously hidden information so that idea 1 and idea 2 make sense together


It IS different from western storytelling as western storytelling derives from Greek playwright (Comedy and Tragedy) and eastern storytelling is based off Chinese poetic structure.

Yes, you can distill both into very simple fundamental ideas that get to the heart of storytelling, but structurally, they’re two different approaches. Same as the west doesn’t ONLY have the 3-Act structure. Story structure is a tool, and KSTK is no different in that regard. Especially since KSTK can be used in individual scenes, as well as a larger narrative.

>>4815868
>without*
Ffs

How do you learn to pose your characters in a cool way or a way that express their personality? Is there any good anime resources for that?

>>4815868
It *IS* different but it's very rarely implemented, especially not in manga writing.
It's usually restricted to (very) short stories or poetry because you cannot carry a long story alone based on "Ten" and "Ketsu" *without a conflict* (meaning that twist stories found both in the east and west don't work)

In your video comparing kishotenketsu with kamehameha they crudely mistake the "twist" with the "climax"... That "twist" being the usually spread page when the hero deliver the finishing blow.

That's what I meant by saying weebs and uneducated japanese misuse the term.

That other video is also infuriating.
He's basically comparing cherry-picked examples that don't define their medium (is he aware that journey to the west isn't the only eastern epic?) and the worse is when he's basically saying that western philosophy = American philosophy

I mean, look at pic related. It looks like something a 14years old would argue to prove that superior japanese culture is better than his shitty gaijin one

>>4815890
>both in the east and west don't work
Don't count*

>>4815881
gesture retard

>>4815895
If the answer was that simple I wouldnt have asked YOU COLLOSAL FUCKIGN SHIT STAIN KILL YOURSELF. SERIOUSLY.

>>4815890
"W-Well you see everything in western storytelling is done through fighting and a-a-action and it's for dumb people who need explosion"

WATCH/READ MORE THAN HOLLYWOOD MOVIES RETARD
(also isn't that 90% of shonens anyway?)

>>4815903
life is simple like a retard using caps

>>4815908
I guess thats why youre such a great artist and wealthy and have sex all the time, right? SHut the fuck up if you dont know anything.

>>4815890
>In your video comparing kishotenketsu with kamehameha
It’s not my video, I’m not the guy you were originally arguing with. I do agree KSTK is very different, and that it’s often either poorly implemented or done wrong as people conflate twist with climax. Japs are equally guilty of this. I disagree in that it can’t be used in long running stories, pretty much all SoL and mystery series frequently use KSTK. Haruhi being a good example.

But as I said, KSTK is structure, and structure is a tool. As a writer you might sometimes use KSTK, you might use 3 - act, you might use Dan Harmon’s Story Circle, etc... use whatever works best for what you’re trying to make. That said, people shouldn’t get too wrapped up in structure. Stories don’t live and die by structure, and good structure won’t necessarily make for a good story. Plenty of terrible films with excellent structure exist.

>>4815913
what are you talking about schizo? how did you know all that about my life?

>>4815918
just fuck off. You should learn to shut the fuck up when you have nothing to contribute or inquire.

>>4815926
you are the one continuing this, i don't like leaving your posts without any response, it would be rude to leave a retard talking alone

>>4815881
Literally gesture.
>Is there any good anime resources for that?
My god weebs are mentally ill.

>>4815907
That's obvious hyperbole for the sake of entertainment you dumb mongoloid.

>>4813541
how do i draw like yusuke murata?

>>4815952
Except that
>Hyperbole
No he's very serious. I'm the one who caricatured him.
The worst is that midwits eat up his bullshit in the comments. People whose entire culture is anime, western movies and comic books

>>4815962
The same way as last time you asked.

>>4815962
fundies

>>4815962
Why do people make posts like this?

>>4815944
>weeb
you are IN the manga thread fucktard.

>>4816051
you can have interest in manga without being a retarded weeb

>>4816051
Not him but the phrasing was stupid. "anime" is just stylization. Literally any gesture course will give you the information you need to start practicing gesture which will improve your posing. You just draw what you learn in your own style. The resource being "anime" should make no difference whatsoever.

>>4815944
>>4815895
Your replies are the equivalent of someone asking how to make a Pie and you answering "Oven".

Like, no shit, you fucking smooth brain.
How about some ingredients at the very least, maybe recommend a cook book or a link to a short tutorial on baking pies.

>>4816072
Okay I'll bite.

Ingredients:
1 writing implement
1 sheet of paper, minimum
minimum 1 hr free time each day
lots of patience

Resource:
http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en

Instructions:
1. Open website
2. Draw at least 10 5minute sketches of the poses
3. Do this every day until satisfied
4. Draw your comic with newfound experience and skill
5. Profit.

Source: the STICKY that YOU SHOULD HAVE READ.

>>4816088
Okay great. I appreciate the effort but how will this mindless gesture drawing teach me to draw characters who's posture and poses communicate information about who they are/personality? Gesture drawing is too random.

My original question:
>How do you learn to pose your characters in a cool way or a way that express their personality
>PERSONALITY

So, are there any resources that you know of that teach you how to craft DISTINCT poses. such that you could Identify a character with even if you blurred out all the details and reduced them to a silhouette? A pose that reveals their PERSONALITY.

>>4816072
baby want spoon food, baby want it, awww, baby want spoon food in little mouth, ahhhh, here comes the airplane

imagine being unable to research further a subject in this day and age where free information is everywhere for anyone with internet access

>>4816108
yea act like a cunt but you actually don't have anything to offer. You're worthless as an artist.

>>4816101
>I appreciate the effort but how will this mindless gesture drawing teach me to draw characters who's posture and poses communicate information about who they are/personality?
It's only as mindless as you let it be. Any task can be mindless if you do it mindlessly, and any task can be thoughtful if you do it thoughtfully. Nobody can make you think about what you're doing but you.
>Gesture drawing is too random.
It's literally a bunch of poses. You draw the poses. Now you have a bunch of poses that you've drawn before and you can draw again. Apply to your character's personalities however you wish. Nobody can tell you how to pose your characters because nobody knows your characters but you. What the fuck do you want us to tell you? "If your character is mean then have him fold his arms!"?

The closest resource you will get that will answer your question is just a bunch of poses. Posing characters is entirely up to you. Not sure how a character would be posed? Fucking get up, stand in front of a mirror and pretend you're that character or something.

>>4816101
Are you that dumb? Find a pose showing a specific personality, look at it, ta daa.

>>4816112
you're the one unable to use a brain to think for youself

>>4816113
>What the fuck do you want us to tell you? "If your character is mean then have him fold his arms!"?
What the fuck do you want us to tell you? "If your character is mean then have him fold his arms!"?
YES.
That is a good start.
>Fucking get up, stand in front of a mirror and pretend you're that character or something.
Finally, some actual advice.

>>4816124
holy shit you're really dumb, did you forget to live a life to not know that?

>>4816117
hurr fucking durr
>>4816115
okay cool, where do you go to look up poses categorized under personality? can you give me an example of this process? Is there a website that has "poses by personality?"

>>4816124
>sub-zero iq anon needs to be specifically told to pose in front of a mirror to figure out how to draw a pose
My god your retardation is mind boggling.

>>4816134
Your life and the people around you is the source of personality

>>4816136
I guess thats the extent of what you have to offer. now fuck off.

>>4816134
>where do you go to look up poses categorized under personality?
Google?
I found a shitload of examples and even a guide by just googling "poses by personality".
We live in the information age bro, you can find anything by just slapping that shit into google. First thing you need to learn is to find your own solutions to a problem because as you can clearly see if you have to ask shit you could have just googled you will be ridiculed. Teach a man to fish and all that.

>>4816141
im laughing my ass off at (you), holy shit, get a test to see if you don't have a problem

>>4816146
yeah, whatever fatso.
In the midst of arguing with you fuck-tards I actually found what I was looking for. Turns out you all are actually useless.


They're books, they're called:
Character Mentor: Learn by Example & Creating characters with personality both by Tom Bankroft.

You're Welcome. I know its hard being useless.

Guys stop! I have to work! I’m dying laughing here!

>>4816177
Now imagine the power you could unlock if you didn't ask in the first place!

>>4816177
gj anon, you learned about using a search engine. wait until you learn you can watch naked woman getting fucked on your screen, your tiny mind will blow

>>4815944
just tell them to read araki's book desu
it pretty much answers every single
>what is the anime version of "_____"

While this is incredibly amusing, I'd like to share a piece of wisdom to my friends fighting for the final week to deadline.
Drawing is a serene activity, adrenaline may derail an artist.
It's important to keep a cool head and keep pencil to paper no matter what. That's the only way through. If you feel tired or something isn't going right, do some breathing exercises like square breathing, and jump right back in, and keep working at it until it is right.
Ganbare, tomodachis

>>4816060

Are you allowed to enter the japanese tezuka contest if you do not live in japan? is it just a language requirement or nationality/country one?

>>4816423
>Are you allowed to enter the japanese tezuka contest if you do not live in japan?
this year the 100th anniversary is international
also you can submit to other international contests but the tezuka 100 is the only one of this scale

>>4816430
They were asking about the japanese contest, not the international one.

>>4816432
sorry
been awake too long
i'll stop posting now

>>4816430
>>4816432
yeah, there's an international one and a japanese one, judged by the same authors, which is why i'm asking if only a language thing or a nationality one, difference is number of pages allowed I think.

>>4815881
>>4816072
>>4816101
>>4816124

Hey anon, posing is hard so I can understand your frustration; I have a lot of trouble coming up with cool / interesting poses myself, honestly. Ultimately, there's no real solution one way or the other. It's also a pretty broad question (broader than you might realize) which is likely why so many anons are taking the piss over it.

Generally, I find that this question can go in one of two directions: are you asking that you want to learn how to pose with fluidity and structure, or are you asking how to "come up" with poses? The second one has an answer that's both simpler yet more abstract: you have to get in the headspace of the character that you're drawing.

A lot of animators actually take acting classes in order to make this process easier, since working with movement and poses is the entirety of their job. Acting classes give you a better feel for the physicality of various mindsets, and gives you a better idea as to what kinds of poses or motions people that have certain personalities or are in the midst of certain thoughts might take. There's no quick and fast guide for this, as it's very much on the "feels" side of the arts. There are some things that you really just have to try out for yourself.

If you're asking from a more structural standpoint, then things become a little more concrete. Do you have any work you can post so that we can see where you're at right now?

>>4816447
The only difference should be language accomodation. The japanese contest site is not restricted by region.
It's not a small difference, you will be expected to be both fluent and alloquent in your writing. You will have to read and fill in all of the paperwork in japanese.

>>4816423
You can enter the JP Tezuka so long as your entry is in Japanese.

>>4816538
Where would one find a translator to hire out for that?

>>4816541
Just learn Japanese.

Question for the people working in digital. How clean/messy is your line work at 100%?

>>4816585
I set randomness in the pen settings to be fairly strong so it looks messier than it is because I don't want it to look like digital.

>>4813888
what a savior, thanks anon and translator.

>>4816592
Thanks. I know stuff gets shrunken down, but dunno how anal I’d have to get about my inking.
Not sure if printing out a page would help or not?

>>4816604
>Not sure if printing out a page would help or not?
No harm in trying to see how it looks. I would if I had the means and the time.

Right about time to start sacrificing sleep for more time on the clock methinks.

>>4817161
the time for that was a month ago

>>4813946
It would be wise to download the videos, esp. from the Youtube it seems on purging streak. I'm using this tool to do that: https://yt-dl.org/
It can download basically from every video hosting site out there.

Links to the videos are also available from HabaneroScans's web site.

>>4813888
Nice, Thanks anon.
Also curious...
How come there isn't a torrent for this on Nyaa?

>>4815962
Fundies , anime studies , anatomy knowledge.
>Or try a japanese How to draw manga book
Also crosshatch for volume and form

>>4818396
>Or try a japanese How to draw manga book
are there translated versions?

>>4816101
Use your brain and think about how your character MOVES, base it on famous actors you've seen, weird bums at the supermarket, wherever you get your inspiration from

>>4816566
that's like asking me to learn fundies, not happening

Is making my MC black worth it? I feel like it is just more marketable to have your MC be asian or white.

>>4819314
just as long as you can draw the noses right.

>>4819314
Don't compromise on your vision anon. That's how you get the same bland shit that slides into the bucket and ends up being indistinguishable from everything else.

>>4819314
Anime and manga are highly open minded about these things. Make what you want in your vision.

>>4819314
both of my MCs are black and japanese
go for it

>>4813541
Nice. This is a fonts pack shared by /a/non in scanlation thread, lot of useful fonts that you could use in your manga.
https://mega.nz/#F!X5EgHYhA!HK33eLCf0Ms9M18Zn3LDVw

>>4820865
Are they royalty free?

>>4820953
Some of them are comicraft fonts family. I believe you need to purchase them but the whole scanlation thing is semi-illegal so I can't guarantee there won't be problem. Though I think you won't have problems using them as people would just assume you that you had bought the fonts.

>>4813541
How do you draw decent backgrounds on clip studio?
Is there a guide on what tools to use when drawing backgrounds?

>>4816566
That takes forever to reach a fluent level. I'd rather put my time into drawing and pay someone to translate it. It's not about cost it's about not using art gains time for trying to pass all the JLPT tests.

>>4816541
Bumping this question. Does anyone know where one could find some translators to hire out?

>>4821116
If that img is yours, than you could use more texture. Crosshatching, stippling ect.

>>4821290
Yes it is mine, but it's actually a study of another manga.
I've tried doing a research of how other mangaka draw backgrounds but no luck so far.

>>4821325
Do you have the original you've studied from?

>>4821339

>>4814065
An important exercise for figuring out camera shots is going through some of your favourite scenes from your favourite movies. You have to look at the visuals in the context of the story beats they're there to support to get why the directors make the decisions they do.

>>4815952
nah, literature devil is just a retard. a lot of people who jumped on the video essay bandwagon later down the line are.

>>4821348
Yeah, if I compare them side by side, you weren't too faithful to the lines. There's a lot of small detail in the original that makes it pop the way it is.

Try redoing it. Maybe trace it once so you see what forms are actually there. Than redraw it.

>>4821116
>>4821348
Also keep in mind that your reference is a scan of a book. Paper has a texture that smooths out the way screentones look.

I feel like it looks terrible, but If I keep listening to my taste I will never get anything done...
Also thios page was boring as hell to make because it contains no actual characters.
It's a personal, softcore?, yuri gb eromanga project.
Lineart was done traditionally then scaned, then cleaned, then painted in grays, then converted to tones at export, plus some extra blur to the final image so it doesn't look terrible on the internet.
First pages are SFW so I Guess I'll post them when they're done...

>>4821976
The issue here is less so the screentones, and more so your rather narrow understanding of lighting and perspective.

For a quality product, don’t draw the school by hand. CSP comes with a premade 3D asset of a school. Set that up, extract the lines, and then fill in the darkest areas of shadow with pure black (ie, underneath ceilings and scaffolding, etc...). The trees should also be pure black, almost like silhouettes really. The white part on the tree should be done to show where the sun is at. Then, apply hatching for texture. Finally, apply the screentones. Limit yourself to just one or two tones for now (one light one dark), and use the lighter tone to mark all the areas of shadow (this includes cast shadow). For this, you first have to know where your source of light, ie, the sun, is.

Ofc, I’d suggest working on your perspective before using these shortcuts. Your lack of knowledge shows.

That’s why it looks wonky.

Where do you guys plan on publishing your mangas (for those that aren't just for a contest). The only major global webcomic audience seems to be webtoon, but I'm afraid the readers would be put off by a traditional monochrome manga look. Everything popular on there is colored and shaded on top of 3d backgrounds (which looks like shit desu)

>>4822385
Just upload to any site that hosts manga. Dex even has a "Use Created" tag. Even if it were against the rules I doubt anyone would give a shit.

>>4822385
I’m hoping for traditional publishing or self publishing. I’d like my stuff printed in the end.
The webtoon phone format is a bit rough, because it does seem the readers want colored work. I’m not familiar with any successful black and white webtoons. If there are any see what their readers expect from them in terms of quality.

>>4822385
Traditional publishing on my end.

>>4822395
I saw a few black and whites ones, only one of them has what you could call a manga "look". It's pretty popular, not god of high school popular, but around 800K subscribers.

The thing is I'd still love to shoot for traditional publishing, but until then it's hard to ignore the huge reader base those online communities offer. I made a few bad comic strips back in early lockdown and got a good number of views even without having done any sort of marketing whatsoever.

I suppose the best move would be to draw with traditional in mind and splice it up in webtoon format for the added exposure

>>4822555
>I suppose the best move would be to draw with traditional in mind and splice it up in webtoon format for the added exposure
That’s a good move I think. If it ever kicks off people might want to buy the printed version to support you. And you can sweeten the deal if you add any extra sketches or bonus chapters.

>>4822318
Thanks, gonna try it and redo the first panel.

Somewhat off topic, but where can I get high quality manga scans?
Also, are there any good sources to study inking?

>>4822607
Depends on the manga but a lot of series have the official english releases ripped and uploaded to nyaa.

>>4822608
I already tried Nyaa, can’t find shit. I remember it getting nuked at some point, I guess they haven’t fully recovered.

>>4822610
Like I said, depends on the manga. What are you trying to find?

>>4822614
Right now, Usune Masatoshi (primarily Desert Punk/Sunabozu) and some more obscure Masamune Shirow works

>>4822560
What if the manga blows up and is printed illegally

>>4822720
Then you go full burger and sue everyone.
Also why the fuck would you have files that hires online, are you retarded?

>>4822751
>tfw you have high quality files online
Shieet

question, at the end of my story the protagonist sees her dead son as an angel holding back the villain allowing her to escape the impending black hole,

the last panel is her and and her sons dog tags around her neck

a dog tag includes name, blood type and religious preference

I have her dog tag read ATHEIST and the sons ORTHODOX (orthodox what is not specified)

i thought that it would be powerful considering she's just witnessed her dead sons angel and such

but im worried it might be too much for a shonen... I really want to include this part because I myself was raised atheist by two scientist parents and had a change of heart later in life, getting myself baptized and such.

is there any religious preference i could put on the sons dog tag that would not be offensive? I'm avoiding blatantly putting christianity because of japans attitude towards it obviously.

what about buddhist perhaps? or should i just leave this part out entirely just to be safe and avoid controversy?

>>4823246
It’s cringe, for lack of a better word.
Why is one of the tags hers in the first place?
Also, you don’t think it’s a tad bit retarded worrying about offending someone by putting the word “orthodox” on a dog tag when you just finished having the protagonist be saved by a religious being and presenting said being as some magical transformation of a dead person, which is not even how it works in those religions and will seem tacky at best to anyone who holds religion in significance?

>>4823295

true. thanks for the input, i'll remove it.

>>4823246
If you’re gonna put a religion in that features angels as guardians with wings, the you should go for Roman Catholic.

If you’re gonna draw angels as freaky non-human creatures, then you go for Judaism.

Don’t put any of the derivative christian sects, because that dilutes both the meaning, and recognition. Especially since Japs pretty much only know of Christianity out of the western religions. You say “orthodox” and they’ll be “what’s that?”


All that aside, on a fundamental writing level, I think including the religion in his dog tags is a rather clunky way of forcing that onto the narrative.

CSP question. Do you guys prefer raster layers or vector layers for your characters?

>>4823840
>orthodox
>derivative
>catholic
>not derivative
???
did the word “orthodox” not clue you in?

is explaining black holes too much for a shonen?

lord knows its gonna be hell on the translators...maybe i should remove it...

>>4824130

>>4824130
>he thinks anyone will be translating this to anything
bruv

>>4824130
>black holes
>super large objects
I thought the entire point is the singularity being infinitely small in volume with infinite density. Not sure you can call the spacetime around it an object.

>>4824130
If your story can flow without the explanation, I think cutting it out is probably the better choice.
You could play it as a gag, maybe have it blur out as the paragraph goes on, or have the main character interject with their word balloon saying something like, 'TOO LONG!'
That's my 2 cents :)

>>4824164
>>4824189

kek okay im not gonna play around with shit i don't understand... noted.

>>4824204

on that note all the pages have been drawn and all that's left do is ink away!

as of now its the 27th more or less

27, 28, 29, 30, 31
(i'm not gambling with submitting it on sep 1st)

5 full days with 5 pages to go...

>>4824212
You're almost there!
Keep it up! ^_^

>>4823903
Neither is the original, so you're both wrong. Both split at the same time. Both consider themselves to be the "all-encompassing" one, and the "traditional" one. So saying the Orthodox church is the og cause of its name is retarded.

>>4824130
Forced and unnatural exposition is never a good thing, lol. Just cause Kishimoto and and Togashi did it doesn't mean it's a good practice.

>>4823902
Actually does anyone work with Vector layers only? Are there any downsides?

>>4822751
Yikes didnt think of that my bad what size would you recommend uploading

>>4824277
>t. filioquist pope enabler

>>4824418
Don’t go by size, go by dpi, that’s what it’s for.
Get it so it looks nice on screen, but can’t be printed without being a blurry mess.
Just don’t be like 90% of digital artists and think dpi/ppi is a magical quality button, remember the i stands for inch, you need a physical format for it to do anything.

>>4824626
Actually, I’m an atheist. I just find many things interesting. Theology included.

someone wanna help me with the right panel ^^;

i can't get it to look natural

>>4825329

nvm i think i got it

>>4825329
>>4825357
breh what’s up with the tits on bugs bunny?

>>4825450

they're pecs...but i see whatcha mean.

i hid a tiny crab in a panel and a reference to /lit/ since both boards significantly helped me out and motivated me past the road bumps : )

>>4813583
Making sex traffickers the bad guys is baby's first villian so the ole switcheroo might be nice. You could make him start out with good intentions, like a Walter White - esque character. Maybe he starts making his wife a prostitute to earn money for whatever problems they have, and it just goes deeper and deeper from there.

Probably too much for a short story imo

>>4825705
I’ve actually never been to /lit/ properly, so I’m curious as to what sort of writing advice they give. I did try to lurk the board a couple times, and I when I saw their writing threads, I noticed too many people giving feedback on prose and syntax, and writing more novel type stuff. Like when I went to /mu/ and mentioned The Seatbelts, and got told “go back to /a/ you weeaboo.” I‘ve always had the feeling that /lit/ might might be too pretentious to take anyone who wants to learn how to write to make manga seriously.

Especially since all conventional advice I’ve seen on improving your writing and how to receive and find good feedback is that, people who critique your prose over the actual story don’t actually have any good feedback to offer, and likewise, manga is basically all story and no prose.

But that’s my impression from lurking. What’s it actually like?

>>4825847
Not that guy. But read the thread he posted in. He got only a handful of good advice, rest was garbage.

>>4825847


here ya go; the two threads i made and the responses

>>/lit/thread/S15941804
>>/lit/thread/S16195731

>>4825847
>>4825871
Most boards are like this. Even here on /ic/, a lot of advice is along the lines of "do fundamentals" or "read loomis," which is borderline useless when presented without context.

>>4825958
Because we literally say it every day to /beg/s. No matter how many times you type out a long post explaining it all there's always more.

We need to update the fucking sticky

>>4825963
> No matter how many times you type out a long post explaining it all there's always more.

Rarely does anyone actually do this, and even when they do it's even more rare for them to actually tailor the advice to whatever the anon or beginner in question is actually lacking in.

So even if it's "good advice" in an abstract sense, it's presented in such a way as to render it useless for a beginner.

>>4825984
>>4825963
I found the sticky being super helpful for someone like myself who's been drawing for a while, but feel like can brush up/improve on my fundamentals to make better gains.
But yeah, I wonder if a lot of it would fly over absolute beginner's heads. I know it would've for me when I was younger.

That being said, being able stay engaged and 'just drawing' seems to be the best advice I can give to most who are just starting out.
Hoping their gradual improvement and hunger of wanting more would have them voluntarily seek out more on their own.
I wish I was a better teacher on that front. ^_^;;

>>4825958
Yeah, I was thinking of /ic/ and how shit it is for art critique as well. Though you do get bits of decent feedback sometimes. I try to give good advice as well so long as it’s not the same goddamn question for the 50th time. If someone posts art and asks for sone direction on what they’re doing wrong, I can easily point them toward what to fix and what to practice specifically. But the usual “how you draw X” threads, or just blatant “I didn’t read the sticky and this is my first drawing” I just generally ignore.

>>4825876
I mean, this is a lot better than I expected, but the advice given about as useful as what you’d get from /a/. Ideafagging, opinions, etc...

I guess cause OP didn’t post a finished screenplay in the first thread. But very few people gave feedback on actually constructing the story, and no one got particularly technical with HOW to build a good story. Half the discussion was “would a female MC even work in shounen? But what about Act Age?”

I do think it’s funny how /a/ actively discourages people from being creative and making their own manga/getting feedback. Even going as far as actively deleting threads regarding that. Especially since even on 5ch, the nips help each other with that stuff.

Worth noting I suppose. I might post on /lit/ in the future, but I think for the most part I’d rather stick to this thread, as we seem to have more people who know what they’re doing here, than on /lit/.

>>4825996
> Half the discussion was “would a female MC even work in shounen?

The easiest way to weed out the people who don't actually watch anime or read manga.

whats the exact time the contest submission period is over ?

it says 12:00 Japan time but is that am or pm or what?

Im in EST and am paranoid now

>>4825996
> I do think it’s funny how /a/ actively discourages people from being creative and making their own manga/getting feedback. Even going as far as actively deleting threads regarding that. Especially since even on 5ch, the nips help each other with that stuff.

I'd assume that part of this is due to the fact that a lot of western manga / anime readers think that western-made stuff is shit, so if anything I'd expect that type of crowd to just dunk on anyone that has hopes of making something.

Doubly ironic, considering lots of those people also have their own concepts for shonen series or whatever that they'd talk at you for hours about and have dreams of moving to Japan to publish.

>>4826071
I'd go for 12:00am just to be on the safe side.

>have good writing idea that fluidly writes itself and i feel great about it
>can't draw for shit

>>4822318
Going to try the tree thing on another page.
I do feel like the school looks too white now tho.

I'm just going to make a sloppily thrown together story that I write as I go along as an excuse to draw fights and muscular dudes with weapons

>>4826201
Everyone thinks they have an amazing story idea till they write it. Nothing is stopping you from making at the very least a screenplay. If it’s good, you can always pitch it to an artist to work with you.

Similarly, a Name/Manuscript also doesn’t require skilled drawing ability. Just a good understanding of panelling, composition, and cinematography.

>>4826076
There’s never a lack of people who have like their one story they’ve been building for years, and think would be the next big thing if they ever sat down to make it, despite it actually being fairly mediocre. Everyone’s story is amazing to them when it’s just random blirps of imagination in their minds.

How do I draw trees without a thousand scratches?

>>4826066
I feel as if there is a very large group that watched or read a single vogue work and nothing else.
It's bizarre reading somebody writing for all of anime when they are talking about tropes that are present in a single work.
They seem to be the most vocal and most devoted folks too.
Sweet image. If you don't mind, please add ryuko or birdy the mighty in it for me, friend.

>>4826449
Post your current trees anon

Out of curiosity, are these threads going to stay up even after the contest? I quite enjoy these threads even though I'm not participating in the contest. I hope they stay up. It's pretty much the only reason I come to /ic/ now.

>>4826449
Just do it.

>>4826474
I was very pleasantly surprised.
They changed the name to focus on manga in general, not just the award.
I believe these will keep going.

>>4826466
Good call anon, not sure how I forgot about them.

Added a few others that should have been included the first time around too.

>>4826449
use a brush

>>4824130
show, don't tell

>>4826500
I think maybe a good way to keep the thread going is to point people towards new potential goals. I.e., have a list of contests, publishers, etc, that are accepting submissions.

>>4826474
I intend to continue posting after the contest is over, especially since I want to get published here in Japan, and I need story feedback from people. So I hope to post my drafts and screenplays here when they’re ready for review.

https://mangadex.org/title/52064/ramia-hero-demon-lord-chronicles/chapters/
Kept going with my updates since the first release that I posted here, done with the 64 first pages for now.

>>4827170
Ganbare my nigger.

>>4826534
>>4826066
what the fuck does shounen even mean to you?

>>4825876
These are good threads but that last 1 XD

>>4825996
I remember i got banned for starting a thread similar to this the only useful threads i ever got out of /a/ is those anime trope threads and the amazing animation sakuga threads (for cool angle shots and composition

>>4827170
Ugh I can't stand this. All the smudges and dark blurs make it hard to look at. Its like that Made in Abyss style but even more fucking murky. My eyes hurt. Damn you smurf.

>>4826474
Comics are my life, and this is the only good place to discuss them on the web, imo. They're such a vast and deep discipline that the potential discussion here is unlimited. So yeah, I'll keep coming back here.

I'll keep making these threads and posting here even if no one else continues. We should expand the OP to include more resources once the contest is over and that huge FAQ isn't needed anymore, so if anyone has good resources on storytelling, drawing, composition, visual narrative, character design, set design, etc., the next person who makes the OP should include it.

>>4827170
I'm a fan! Hope to see more! ^_^

>>4826534
Sweet! thank you! saved.
>Clare
Just started reading the Claymore rerun on manga plus. It's really damn cool. The art is insane.
>>4826600
Medibang offering to translate is a pretty once in a life time chance. I think if you want goal orientation having competition between the members of the thread could work. Another way would be to shift the focus of the thread into self publishing, promoting one's manga, and helping push each other's stories and art.

>>4827206
Shonen is a term from late meiji, when manga publications decided to start naming themselves after demographics. Shoujo was born around the same time.
During the showa era, Further demographic distinctions were formed, seinen and josei.
All demographic labels have been broken and redefined so many times, and have so much overlap, that they are essentially meaningless.
The label is usually given by whichever publication picks you up.
It's not uncommon to see works that are similar in themes but on different labels
Lucky star -shonen
K-on -Seinen
Berserk -seinen
Claymore -shonen
There are some destinctions, such as what allowed in a publication, and what is traditionally one genre or the other.
For example
>Battle manga, especially toriyama styled, often go in shonen
>Moe is almost always seinen
>HS romance drama with no fighting and with a girl MC will almost always be shoujo
>Guys with thin bodies, yaoi faces, and 17 head tall will almost always be josei
>you cannot show full on sex, PTV, on shonen or shoujo (as far as I know). Usually if your idea contains lot of penetration sex it's either seinen, josei, or doujin.

That's really it, I'ts mostly tradition. It's not a genre.

By the way, Yotasuba is Shonen. If you needed a prime shonen female protagonist please look no further.

>>4828082
Off the top of my head, GitS, Gunbuster, Nausicaa, KLK are seinen, and I don’t even know 3 of the other examples.
I’m not arguing about female protagonists, I’m arguing your stupid picture.

>>4828101
The point of the image is "would female characters work in shonen?" is a stupid argument that's only entertained by people who don't actually read anime and manga. The idea that people suddenly become tolerant of their main character having tiddies once they magically pass the age of 18 is stupid, and thus arguing whether something is shonen or seinen in this context is ultimately irrelevant.

>>4828101
Check the name. I'm not the creator of the pic.
However, I can persume the creator ignored the term shonen, since its meaningless, and just made a list of great female protagonists.
Saying off the top of your head when you just checked the wiki is not a good look.
Kill la kill and gunbuster are anime originals, which means they don't have a demographic label.
Go back to the wiki chart you just read, notice that the seinen label is under the manga adaptations on young ace.
This is a nice segway to another example of how useless the label is.
Gainax and all of the studio formed from former staff have a habit of making manga adaptations to their originals.
kiznaiver, klk, and gunbuster were all seinen, but since Kentaro Yabuki works exclusively with shonen jump, even though the themes are on par and there is a pussy in every chapter DITF manga is in shonen jump.

>>4828119
Look, retard, I’m not arguing about female protagonists, but you’re retarded if you think basing half of your argument of female protagonists “working” in shounen on examples that are not shounen and are not aimed at the same demographic does not make the argument look weak.
Further, you’re pulling this “there’s no difference in tolerance of female characters before and after sexual awakening” straight out of your ass precisely because you looked at your options for the image and thought it wasn’t good enough.
In literature it is well documented that male readers don’t read books with female characters (some citing 0% of men reading such books), while female readers will read books with male characters. You’re just talking out of your ass.

>>4828139
>hurr you checked the wiki durr
yeah, it took a wikipedia to tell me a fucking ghibli anti war propaganda, a manga about a lesbian sci fi cop made by a hentai artist, a heavily sexualised anime about sentient clothes and fucking gunbuster weren’t aimed at 12 year olds

>>4828145
sexual awakening for most people happens well before 18, so you're missing the point.

It's not the presence of a woman that makes GitS a seinen, it's themes of transhumanism and the exploitation of personhood through technological means.

it's not the presence of a woman that makes Gunbuster a seinen, it's the presence of the exploration of interpersonal relationships that might be lost on younger viewers.

KLK involves heavy sexualization, so it's a little more ambiguous, but it's the sexualization itself that pushes it into seinen territory, and not the presence of women.

We can thus naturally deduce that the operational factor when it comes to the placement of these stories in their respective age ranges are elements of the content, and not women. But you seem to be here to argue semantics rather than engage with the actual underpinnings of thr argument, considering you straight-up said you don't know half the examples.

>>4828145
Here you go, friend
here are your summer 2020 shonen protagonists.
>>4828159
Friend, this guy is not worth your time, Ignore him.
Arguing is good to test your own knowledge and to strengthen articulation and analytical writing. The moment your opponent is picking at individual words and throwing a fit the argument becomes nothing but a waste of time.
Time that can be used to make manga.

>>4828159
bro what are you even arguing, I never said female protags make anything a seinen, I said claiming one demographic appreciates female protags means another one does is retarded
like genuinely what the fuck are you even saying

>>4828177
Very true, I should be drawing right now. And very good selection you have there.

>>4828177
>The moment your opponent is picking at individual words and throwing a fit
>does this work in X
>yes just look at all this Y
>but that’s not X
>omg stop picking at words
Literally no one posed a question of whether female protags “work” in seinen or anime in general, the question was always whether one specific demographic tends to buy into it.

>>4828197
>>4828204
ouch

>>4828208
>shounen
but keep samefagging, bro

>>4828213
>people disagree with me so they must be samefagging reeeeeeee

>>4828217
yeah, I’m sure it’s multiple autists continuing this retarded argument for no reason, just to defend your retarded image
you tried to prove a point by using the wrong demographic
I pointed this out
that’s all there is to it
I didn’t even challenge the argument that fame protags belong in shounen
you are literally the only person autistic enough to keep going with this over your retarded fucking image
no one but you and me cares

>>4828223
If you knew all of what was in the image--which you admitted you didn't--then you would know that there are several examples there from the definition that you are using. You were wrong about what started the conversation, and you argued something entirely unnecessary and second to what started the conversation.

So no, I don't actually care, and your missteps will be self-evident to other people in the thread. I'm taking the other poster's advice and calling it quits on this conversation.

>>4828195
Thank you! I can't believe I forgot about the "burn the witch" girls. It just got a serialization. I should have put omega there too. The vertical world is a masterpiece.
>>4828217
>>4828208
Congratulations
You are now all honorary ta-kuns

>>4828231
>there are several examples there from the definition that you are using
I never said there weren’t, I said using seinen to prove a point about shounen is retarded.

>You were wrong about what started the conversation,
>>4828145
>your argument of female protagonists “working” in shounen
>>4828197
>no one posed a question of whether female protags “work” in seinen or anime in general, the question was always whether one specific demographic tends to buy into it.
>>4825996
>would a female MC even work in shounen? But what about Act Age?”

>second to what started the conversation
>would a female MC even work in shounen? But what about Act Age?”
>in shounen
Just fuck off.

>>4828232
Didn't know Burn the Witch got serialized recently. Have any chapters been published yet?

>>4828238
First chapter dropped 6 days ago
We are getting chapter 2 Aug 30th.
It is also getting an anime by colorido
They made the twilight wings shorts for pokemon and Bubu and Bulbina for JAX. Both very high quality works. I have high expectations.

>>4828238
>>4828245
It’s only going to be 4 chapters long, and the anime is a film, not a series. From the looks of the manga, with the pilot and the first chapter, the way it’s paced, it feels like the manga will simply be promotional for the film. Either that, or the ending will be a rushed clusterfuck.

Ch.0 was like 65 pages
Ch.1 was 54 iirc
and Ch. 2 is confirmed for 36

so idk how he intends to wrap up the story with less than half the remaining page count, when he’s not even past the 1st act yet.

>>4828286
Relax, fren.
As a doujin reader, I can attest that you can fit a whole lot of story into just a few pages.
This isn't gonna be a manga in arcs and that's perfectly fine.
As for a film, that often means there is more time dedicated towards each and every cut and small details than a TV series.
Half the runtime for three times the quality sounds great to me.
It's in good hands at colorido, as for the pacing, technically it is supposed to be an introduction, it doesn't expect you to have read the one shot.
Ninny best girl.

my fingers hurt
why did I commit to hatching

Questions regarding the contest!
Are those blank pages they often put after the opening pages supposed to be on us? As in, do we upload a blank page or do they add those in print?
I'm asking because I've eaten too many pages already and I'm wondering if I can count on one more page to finish it.

Second question is about the halftones. Did they mean Grey Scale, or the true Two Tones that's achievable through means like Thresholds in Photoshop?
I have the halftones themselves. 90% of em are totally black or white, but I'm weary of missing sight of a single grey pixel that would render my submission unsuitable.
If anyone has any advice I'd love to hear it. Might not respond immediately since I'm crunching like a mofo rn. Thanks and keep it up !

>>4828483
>Are those blank pages they often put after the opening pages supposed to be on us? As in, do we upload a blank page or do they add those in print?
>I'm asking because I've eaten too many pages already and I'm wondering if I can count on one more page to finish it.
No, that's to make sure the binding of the page is on the correct side. You don't need to worry about that.

>Second question is about the halftones. Did they mean Grey Scale, or the true Two Tones that's achievable through means like Thresholds in Photoshop?
The submission needs to be monochrome. However you achieve that isn't super important (as long as it doesn't fuck the artwork up), but whether you use screentones from the get-go or convert greys into tone by fucking with levels or canvas properties it won't matter if the end result is your submission being purely B&W.

Not going to participate in any kind of contest, but i'm preparing to make my first manga, i would like opinions about the desing of the main character. For context the story is seinen(?) adventure with cyberpunk aesthethic.

>>4828577
I like it, but it’s somewhat generic and forgettable. I’m assuming it’s a man, but it hard to tell. Also bothered by the way the crotch was drawn. Maybe look into how fabric on pants fold?

>>4828585
i made his common outfit based on ballet dancers, but i felt a little embarassed in drawing a very visible bulge. i also wanted to make a very androgenous protagonist, but not going directly for the trap category, so i gave a lil more manly body but with some curves.
i'll look more into the folds thing!
About being generic... eh, we can't win it all, specially since i don't want him to be too flashy (he being the less flamboyant compared to his siblings). but what do you think that could give some "spark" to his desing?

>>4828577
Hey anon; it might be helpful to post a little more information about the character so that we can get a better handle on whether or not we think the design lives up to the expectations that you want to set, but I'll give some thoughts in the meantime.

Unlike >>4828585 I don't find it all that generic or forgettable, or at least think that it wouldn't be such if you were to use black fills for the majority of the design. I think that you could actually end up with something very graphic and striking when you're working solely with inks instead of rendering. I would give that a try before looking at any major changes.

I think, however, that you are missing out on potential elements that could really clue the viewer in on the fact that this is a sci-fi story. As things stand, I can't really pinpoint any specific time period for this design Perhaps try looking into some more tech-esque materials to push the sci-fi aspect (i.e., certain weave patterns on the clothing, the integration of metal plating into portions of the design, making his scabbard or the blade in it distinctly technological, or perhaps the integration of mechanical elements into his claw hand--take a look at the attached image for some inspiration in that regard).

On a technical level, I'd definitely brush up on your volumes a little bit, and double check the anatomy; he has a very, very long torso at present, and the drawing as a whole feels rather flat.

Good luck anon, and be sure to post more images and progress! I'm interested in your story.

>>4828590
I have a weird thing that i want to mix cyberpunk and fairy tales.
The story is kinda pos-apocaliptic, but 300 years after the event and most humans live in huge metropolis. the people have very diferent fashion tastes (i want to draw gothic lolitas and street fashion). Ezra is kind of a guardian of a principal and it's prestigious school.
About his clothes being black, is bc it's made of some sort of blood like cloth that come out of his spine (see in this out drawing i made). Compared to his siblings his "gimmick" is survival, his body refuses to die, so it covers itself in a this very strong blood material.

>>4828588
I call it generic, because it made me think if Ergo Proxy gender bender(outfit wise). That and we happen to have similar tastes. Slender, long silky black hair, somewhat brooding men or women are my shtick. I think he needs a better expression(optional) and outfit to make it feel a little more uniquely yours.

>>4828590
>or at least think that it wouldn't be such if you were to use black fills for the majority of the design. I think that you could actually end up with something very graphic and striking when you're working solely with inks instead of rendering. I would give that a try before looking at any major changes.
Yeah, this sounds interesting. OP is this more of a black and white manga or a colored webtoon type project?

>>4828612
>About his clothes being black, is bc it's made of some sort of blood like cloth that come out of his spine (see in this out drawing i made). Compared to his siblings his "gimmick" is survival, his body refuses to die, so it covers itself in a this very strong blood material.
How set are you on hiding that detail for later reveal? I think it'd be nice it there were more tells, even if subtle that his outfit is actually a blood layer.
This concept looks interesting, maybe incorporate a similar design into the outfit?

>>4828612
> About his clothes being black, is bc it's made of some sort of blood like cloth that come out of his spine (see in this out drawing i made). Compared to his siblings his "gimmick" is survival, his body refuses to die, so it covers itself in a this very strong blood material.

If this is the case, I would suggest perhaps finding a nice midpoint between something that feels organic, something that feels slightly technical, and something that still feels like it has cloth-like elements to it, in order to really sell that concept visually while still grounding yourself in the time period. You can perhaps think about what elements of modern fashion or design-thinking might go into the two different primary fashion choices that people have, and integrate those elements into the design slightly, and then add in the biological element via some sort of patterning or sense of "growth" over his body--since at present it just looks like clothes completely and I'd have no idea that it was "grown on" unless you told me (and if that's an important part of his character, I think it should be pretty clear that there's *something* up with his clothes from the get-go).

You should definitely do some visual research so that you can figure out what kind of look you want, but the two things that come to mind at least for me are skeletomuscular-type patterns similar to what you'd see on the Crysis suit, or something along the lines of the biological growths seen in Akira when Tetuso starts to lose control of his psychic powers. I don't know what your tolerance for body horror is, so I've linked the former as opposed to the latter.

Either way, I definitely agree with >>4828630 this time in the sense that there should really be some more visual tells for this particular element of his character concept. It seems like the most unique facet of his character and should definitely be explored more visually.

Hope this helps anon.

>>4828630
all black and white (and screentones). colored only for illustrations.
the deal about his spine/blood cloth will be "revealed" only for the reader during the fourth arc in the story (the arcs won't be long, but they will have very varied styles, so i count it as arcs), bc it's deeply connected with a character that will only appear during the fourth arc.

>>4828632
In Ezra's back is his sacred spine (all his siblings have their own with diferent characteristics), it's hidden in those reddish straps and hair. Every subling has a flaw that activates their sacred spine, Ezra's can grow a "metallic" tail and muzzle, but only when he loses control. Since Ezra almost died once, the spine went crazy and it's half awake most of the time creating the blood cloth.

>>4828651
>all black and white (and screentones). colored only for illustrations.
Do you have an example so we can see how the outfit looks like?

The spine is neat. You could have it visible at all times if that is something that doesn't mess up your story. Something similar but less intricate to what >>4828632 linked would fit well with it.

I know nothing about writing Manga or how speech bubbles work.

I want to make this character yell something at someone and then in the same breath whisper something to herself.

Does this look like that?

Im making just a single colored picture of a "scene"

>>4828672
i could only do this with what i had in hand at the moment.

>>4828746
Damn i was so sleepy i ended fucking up one of his arms! Gotta fix it now!

>>4828746
>>4828780
Get some rest. If you have time tomorrow send a front view and we can chat about it more.

You think I could get away with drawing traditionally but grey scaling digitally?

Also if I want to make manga here in the west how would I monotize myself so I could focus on it full time? It's not like I can get published in Jump or make something I want working for marvel/DC.

>>4828831
>You think I could get away with drawing traditionally but grey scaling digitally?
That's how most actual magaka work.
>Also if I want to make manga here in the west how would I monotize myself so I could focus on it full time?
Self publishing and hope you get lucky is pretty damn close to your only real option. Put effort into self-promotion if you hope to make any money at all drawing comics.

>>4828839
I wish something like jump existed in America. The comics industry here is garbage.

I've been thinking about how you could get your work to go more viral and that way get people to read your manga. Of course you can't force it but i'd like to keep it on the back of my mind when scripting.
This contest gets lots of visibility but only for those who win.
Do you guys have any ideas?

I'm listing several manga what i remember what caused some kind "controversy" or was a viral hit recently.

>Shingeki no Kyojin
Creator was rejected by Jump and posted his oneshot on internet

>Koe no Katachi
Had realistic bullying scenes

>Goblin Slayer
Had brutal rape scene in the beginning so people got interested

>One Punch Man
Started as a webcomic but was later adapted by a popular manga artist.

>>4813541
when you upload, does it show the bleed or is it cut off?
>>4828856
the real blackpill is that you will straightup make more money doing a webcomic or working with indies than you will doing capeshit jobs. just make your dream project, worst case scenario, you end up with a shitload of portfolio fuel and the skills/work ethic to do pretty much any job in your sleep. and who knows? maybe people will like your story. there's still plenty of room for high quality webtoons and plenty of weebs who will throw money at it

>>4828904
>when you upload, does it show the bleed or is it cut off?
All that trim border shit is specifically for printing. When you upload all that's uploaded is the image you exported. You need to worry about the trim borders when drawing and when preparing for printing but for just uploading online it's fine to just crop to the bleed and upload that.

>>4828746
I think the outfit would look better if it was pure black desu. The challenge would then be to have interesting silhouettes in your panels

>>4828856
I've been trying to start something like this up but I haven't found any business partners or investors for it yet. The people who could make it happen just do not want to touch weeb shit, or they think of it as nerd shit and don't want to compete with marvel and dc for some reason (even though capeshit is dying, they think they still hold the same power they used to in their heyday). Its infuriating. Maybe some day I or someone else will be able to make this happen. Don't hold your breath though.

>>4829144
I'm surprised someone has even been trying. What has that process been like?

>>4829144
They’re right, you literally cannot compete.
You would need to pay for rights and translations for the manga, production costs, logistics, etc. just so nobody buys it because the internet is fucking full of people scanlating and hosting manga for free, and you have a snowball’s chance in hell to to shut them down.
Then there’s the issue of actually locating upcoming hit manga, securing rights and translating them before there’s already months’ worth of issues online for free.
At best, you’d be eating a loss for a year before getting a foothold in the market.
Unless you meant being some sort of publication for western “manga” in which case lol all around

>>4829354
> Unless you meant being some sort of publication for western “manga” in which case lol all around

Pretty sure that's what they meant. Why lol though?

>>4829395
Because there’s no culture established, so even if you somehow managed to get people to produce a steady stream of content without flaking out or the usual “I’m not motivated, no content this week” thing that is so common for webcomics, and such, who would even buy that? You have literally more manga online than you could read through for free, how many people do you think are passionate about pseudo manga to support it monetarily?
You’re also an upstart, so you don’t have a market to offer to creators, anyone who is good enough to attract people to your publication and produce content regularly can work for their own benefit and reap greater rewards or work with an established publication and get a bigger audience and most likely money.
For this to take off, there would actually need to for a trend of indie comic artists making western manga and a market to form around them, then you’d need to swoop in at the right time with enough capital and logistics.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see a market for this, you’d be operating ata a loss as a passion project for a good while and have to carve out your niche yourself, and you’re not going to do that with someone else’s money.

>>4813541
does the 180 degree rule reset after a page turn or should you keep the line of motion the same through an entire sequence even between pages?

>>4829402
> how many people do you think are passionate about pseudo manga to support it monetarily?

There are indie OEL publishers that have tens of thousands of followers currently, so there are people out there doing it right now to some extent. The only way to get people interested is through marketing, and the only way to know if it'll work is to try it.

> You’re also an upstart, so you don’t have a market to offer to creators, anyone who is good enough to attract people to your publication and produce content regularly can work for their own benefit and reap greater rewards or work with an established publication and get a bigger audience and most likely money.

Except the entire problem is that these established publications can be counted on one hand, so it's not like you're entering into a huge market or anything.

> For this to take off, there would actually need to for a trend of indie comic artists making western manga and a market to form around them, then you’d need to swoop in at the right time with enough capital and logistics.

There is. It's not large, but there is one.

>>4829472
I think you are very wrong and trying to take advantage of an opportunity that’s not there yet without the means to actually do so, but best of luck

>>4829494
I'm not the one putting any of this together anon. I'm just saying that it's probably a more complicated situation than "lol all around." The anon already said that they had trouble with the venture and weren't able to put it together anyway.

>>4829144
I think we need westerners to make our own comics and put it in our own jump, and then try to get that shit onto the shelves of general stores.

You're right, western investors won't touch weeb shit, but they might touch "big comic book that has several comics from several authors produced cheaply" as a starting point. If it's successful with maybe a monthly schedule then you'll be able to start putting a wider variety of works.

>>4829354
I think the point is more to have the format of jump but for western artists. So if it's capeshit or weebshit, or some le funny haha comic creators can make their stories without being pigeonholed into making what essentially amounts promotional material for other companies.

>>4828904
I wish I could just make my comic as a stable job.

>>4829509
>the format of jump
uh, meaning what? serialised comics unrelated to one another but targeted at the same demographic within the same issue? because there’s more than one of those in europe, and I’m sure in america as well
I assumed this was about weeb comics

>>4829516
not to mention, even then they can’t survive, there’s just no content to fill them with
metal hurlant took a 15 year break and is now on its second 15 year break, expected to come back in 2021
japs pump out metric shittons of manga on all levels

>>4829402
The thing is I don't think it has to exclusively be "manga" nor should it be. Like it or not we're in the west so it should be a wide range of comics. If someone wants to make their capeshit fine, as long as it's black and white do it can be printed cheaply.

I do think there is a market that untapped. That market is cheap comics that are easily accessible. People used to buy comics off the shelves of CVS before distributors made it so they only really sell to comic stores. And people also want regular content updates something regular comics don't do. If people still buy physical books and comic books I don't see a reason they wouldn't buy this. Especially teenage boys who see a book book of comics for 3.94 compared to a pamphlet for the same price, or see nothing else at all like at Walmart or Kroger. Imagine am issue of "Western Jump" sitting I'm the same section as tabloid before checkout. I've bought Archie comics that way before.

>>4829516
If that's a thing in Europe I've certainly never seen it in America, and definitely not in any accessable stores.

>>4829525
Getting people to sit down and produce content regularly will be the biggest hurdle. You'd have to start out with some really impassioned people.

>>4829529
I think you might be onto something with the impulse buying aspect, but I’m not entirely sure wanga would pass. It’s too fringe and weird for the general populace and I’m not convinced the stores would take to it.
Western style comics with some weeb stuff off the covers, maybe, but then that just sounds like diluting the product image, like people would look at it and wonder how much of it they actually want.

ugh can someone talk me out my slump?

right now im realizing that the way im ending my story is garbage, but that i should just finish it...and I'm just self sabotaging and i don't have time for that...

protag meets evil bunny,...goes into her mind... gets pep talked by some tiny cherub demon girl....snaps out of it...fights the evil bunny... the angel of her dead pilot grabs onto the evil bunny...she runs to the ship and escapes END

its crap i know but someone just tell me to finish it regardless i dont have time to sit and mope around for a perfect story

>>4829402
Isn’t Whyt Manga trying to do exactly this with Saturday AM though? I actually am very curious how he pays his co-creators.

Does anyone know whether the deadline is at 12 AM or PM? It doesn't specify on the website.

>>4813541
what are some manga with really good chase sequences?
good action sequences in general too i guess
>>4830375
nips usually use military time so i'd assume pm

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this was a nice bread

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