/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

bout tree fiddy

>>4900723
18 USD in one year

>>4900729
oof

>>4900726
Dumb ESL

>>4900723
300 USD in the last 6 years mostly from friends, I think I've only had one non-friend commission me ever
i have very little in the way of marketing and attracting customers but friends are always happy about my work

May I ask
How do you decide what price to go?
and what is the best place to find costumers?

Uh, I don't know. Probably something around 0.

>>4900743
time it takes for you to finish a work of each tier + how much you think you should be paid per hour - how much of that time you think is wasted on mistakes

>>4900733

>>4900747
Thx anon
By the way
What would you think is the price suitable for this style?

>>4900757
Looks pretty clean and sharp, I think very suitable for games or webcomics, as a single character illustration is hard to give a price, how much are you charging right now for something like this?

>>4900761
around 16 bucks

>>4900764
However, I still struggle with making a commission sheet
I just don't know how to do it

>>4900764
Well thats kind of cheap, have you got any commissions though? thats the important thing in art, because commissions gives you money you can use on art suplies, better equipement, classes and courses, or just to not have to wagecuk yourself to much, that way you have more free time, commissions are paid practice after all, but I do like your style.

>>4900723
80k

>>4900770
Will only a few times
At first, I was struggling with making a Paypal account so the first thing I did was a few commissions for a video game item (TF2 REF)

Then thanks to a friend I managed to make a Canadian PayPal (Moroccan PayPal is a pain in the ass and requires a credit card)
Then so far I only did 2 commissions from discord
I still use a mouse and I couldn't afford a tablet
I'll try making a commission sheet and actually work to get the supplies i need

>>4900781
how does it feel to work with discord trannies? are they as deranged as people here claim? mind in showing your commissions, I want to know if im up to the task as well, needing money really bad atm

~30k in the last three years

>>4900788
Mostly friends
This one was 16 bucks too
The line art took me way too long to make
I used Paint tool sai's curve tool

>>4900796
ooops
wrong version

>>4900797
I like the nazi guy coloring more, I think you should stick to that since your tools are limiting you, try to get a huion 20 usd tablet if you can, anything will be better than using a mouse, also you seem kind of inconsistent, the blue nazi looked quite great, but this one seems a bit wonky to me.

>>4900788
By the way
Discord is kinda good if you know where you look at
If you are in a good art community you could easily find someone willing to pay for your stuff

>>4900804
it was rushed at the end

>>4900757
this one is worth 60 bux

>>4900797
this one is 40 bux

>>4900811
I agree to this pricings, but the market is so saturated you should lower it a bit until you get a following or repeating customers, id suggest 45 and 35

>>4900723
You are nitroneato???

>>4900822
KYS.

>>4900825
Of course not, im total shit but still managed to get some coombux

>>4900833
4000 USD IN TWO YEARS
sounds hella good but coombux ain't my thing

>>4900822
fuck off

>>4900836
You dont need to go full degenerate, some people just like nudity or suggestive stuff, also if you are SFW artist youll make things harder for yourself, you can always just sidegig coom art and make some cash, then stop and forget about it, unlike normies coomers are easier to deal with and more generous, I have worked with both and I will never get back to do art for normieniggers ever, id rather wagecuck.

About 27k in a year.

>>4900729
Doing what
Mine is 5.5 GBP since lockdown. It's only a thing on the side as I have another job, I do trad stuff.

>>4900878
Sorry , I meant 5.5, don't really keep tabs.
>>4900862
What do you do m8?

>>4900862
Pyw

>>4900879
5.5 thousand. I don't know what happened each time I tried I tried to abbreviate it...

>>4900822
suck my hard throbbing and properly priced cock!

>>4900723
about 140k since I started my NSFW pseudonym almost 5 years ago.
I'm extremely happy, since this is huge money where I live.

I'm not good enough to draw for commission yet.

>>4900962
pyw, if you want to draw coom you can still get some money even if you are still /beg/

>>4900960
Based. Why not post your accs/handles? You get to promo yourself and we can see what kind of quality and output to aim for

>>4900968
Not true, you have to at least have something interesting on your art, and begs don't have anything since they are, well begginers

>>4900973
Remember there are /beg/s that get commissions and patreon money for their work. Especially with a new thread about some beg getting bullied and now people are pity following and commissioning him.

>>4900977
Retarded advice from a retarded individual

All I want is 600$ a month and the last 2 months I have theoretically achieved that, but this isn't so stable yet
I hope in one year I will achieve that
it helps that I am from 3rd world (poland)

>>4900981
>>4900280
Ok retard

>>4900723
i think i just hit 30k in about 3-4 years

>>4900791
aRe yOu Me?
What fields do you work in?
30k in three years is killer because you feel like "wow fuck yeah im making money drawing!" but then you're like "oh but I'm still poor"
>>4900774
>>4900862
holy fuck, do you have a studio job?
>>4900960
cry, so lucky, thanks for sharing what you do
>>4900993
you're on your way

>>4901017
>do you have a studio job
yes.
it's the only way to have a stable reliable income. i tried doing commissions/freelancing for a while but it was too unpredictable. some months id get nothing and others id get thousands

I struggle to earn $1000 in a single year, 100% of my clients are foreigners and none from my country. Sometimes I think I'm underselling but I'm not confident enough to price higher.

>>4901041
you must be underselling. you should price high enough to make a livable wage, nobody can live off 1k a yearunless they live in a 3rd world country maybe. everyone has bills to pay people will understand if you raise prices

>>4901046
They often back out once I price over $100. And I hate to lose prospect clients because I have terrible marketing skills.

>>4900968
This is from a request.
I used references to draw it.

>>4901051
I've seen worse

>>4900723
500$ a month for 4 years, not too shabby for a 3rd worlder

>>4901051
Oooof NGMI

How would you even go about getting comissions?
How do I get myself out there. If there is one thing I don't want to do is put some kind of patreon link under every picture I draw by the way.

Based on the replies here, /ic/ is filled with pros who don't post their work but lurks watching at /beg/s struggle with their boxes and loomis heads. Sad State.

>>4901085
Why would I be dumb enough to waste time helping a future competitor? Anytime I see someone with potential I do my best to attack their hope. Works better than just shitting on their crap art, anyway.

>>4901089
yikes, fat insecurity complex right here

>>4901101
what? why would any of us want more competition retarded beg

>>4901089
Be careful, one day it will all come back to you and bite you in the ass.

>>4900723
Probably about 3 grand since last summer.

>>4901089
Based
>>4901107
Cringe beg mentality

>>4900723
Around $210,000 in the past 7 years since I started trying to make a living solely through my art/illustration.

>>4901104
Most people don't exactly feel threatend by people learning to draw for fun or people that can't even draw boxes properly but sure if you feel these people could overtake you with ease if you don't shit on them I guess you do you.
Says enough about your own skill.

>>4900723
My wife ranked up 200 in 2 years

>>4901145
every beg is a potential working artist in 5 years, everyone started as beg. do you really think professional artists didn't struggle as begs. worst case scenario one of these begs becomes an renowned artist in 20 years, we don't need more of them in an already competitive field, but keep trying to persuade people that already made it into giving useful advice for free

>>4900723
0$ because im a just a hobby artist.

I make more money than most of you on this shithole board working a regular 9-5.

>>4901154
insecurity overload

>>4900977
Yeah, i saw that guy.

He's gonna be even heartbroken once all those pity followers leave him after a few weeks.

>>4901159
Okay wagecuck ; ), coffee break has ended so chop chop, back to the cagie

>>4901160
Imagine thinking working with art is a stable job, obviously insecurity is over anyone's mind in this shitty ass industry

>>4901145
Is not about skill you dumb fuck, what is that guys has the same quality as you, or maybe slightly less skills, but works for less payment because he lives on Manila or some turdworld hellhole, who do you think the industry jews are going to hire?

>>4901144
That's pretty devent anon. That makes you sound like you do freelance, is that true?

How lucrative is illustrating children books for bored housewives wanting to make a book

>>4901227
very

>>4901085
probably because any pros here have styles recognizable enough that if they post they'll be linked with 4chan forever and that could harm them getting commissions from woke clients

>>4901242
do you really think everyone here is saying the truth and truth only?

>>4901242
Ding ding ding!

>>4901239
no
>>4901227
Not very lucrative. Goddamn there are so fucking many of them right now that want children's books, but all of them want a fully colored 22 page book for 500 dollars. Do the math you geniuses, that's less than 50 dollars per full color illustration.

>>4901195
It's from freelancing + merch sales (prints, apparel, etc.). Both are very difficult to get the ball rolling, in my opinion, though commercial freelancing is particularly tough. I was only making ~$10k-$25k the first few years before things started to click.

>>4900811
>>4900826
>>4900851
>>4900950
delusional, its not bad but no ones paying that price for that quality unless it's got some special appeal

>>4900723
Only 4000? what are you? a /beg/? I made more than double that number in six months.

>>4901575
Jesus imagine making 16k a year off art and still posting on /ic/

>>4900733
imagine....

>>4900723
I make a little over $1000 a week from my art, but that's in CAD

>>4901576
Jesus imagine thinking that 16k a year it's s big deal.

>>4901591
I made 3k in the past 3 months drawing twice a week so way better than a job.

>>4901611
so you make 1k a month? technically less than minimum wage

where do you get commissions?? do you just post stuff on instagram and hope somebody dms you? do you have bigcartel or other merch sites with your stuff on it?

I feel like I am at the level I could start making money with my art but am lost when it comes to getting clients / commissions. I only sold 2 originals, 50x70 cm for 100 euros both together... should I just start doing things on tablet and draw anime coom stuff?? I just dont want to be poor anymore guys please

>>4901634
portfolio+likable

Send your portfolio to companies and answer ads on artstation. Industry jobs the art truly speaks for itself, employers want someone who can work with a team and deliver FAST and I mean really fast.

If you make decent art fast on time, and are enjoyable to work with, you r pretty much set.

>>4901591
>>4901621
Not everyone lives on JEWsa, anon

>>4901580
Silence dumb ESLnigger

>>4901644
money is a representation of labor.
If you make 1k a month with art that means the labor that goes into your art is worth less than the minimum wage

>>4901642
ah, I see. So the first goal would be to amass and compile all of my best works into a portfolio of sorts. That I understand, and I guess artstation would be the mechanism behind it, but from what I've seen there is no great demand for people working traditional. All the jobs I've seen are very advanced industry jobs that I am nowhere near meeting the criteria for...

So if I understand correctly, some of you guys work in these tech / game companies, and are not making bank because of personal commissions of people wanting to have their waifu drawn? Maybe the best path for me would be to set up a website with my stuff and make a side-gig out of doing private commissions.. I just dont know which website to use for that, this artstation stuff looks very competitive and polished

>>4901665
Just shut up.

>>4900733
Oh yeah? Then how come one would go so far as to become when in for when doing?

>>4901172
Of course the turdworlders, we're going to steal your jobs lazy cunts because we can work more for less pay, and most of the time we're 1000x better at doing it. That's why soon you can sit back and rely on your welfare while we live a comfortable life in our "3rd world hellhole".

>>4901644
I'm actually s thirdworld fag.

>>4901381
i seriously wonder if some of you guys are like big name artists and you just browse here and watch people talk about you, cause how else would you sell merch without being a big name?
You sound a lot like me, but slightly better....I really hope things start clicking soon. I'm on my 3rd or 4th year and only making 10k a year (and its horribly depressing now), I'm going to finally try doing the social media thing

>>4901669
yes industry jobs are all digital because trad simply cannot compete with the speed and low cost of traditional.

If you want to make cash with personal commission that is very realistic and pays quite well but you need to be very good at networking/marketing/business

The artwork will speak for itself, if you have S tier social media presence and you arent getting commission then the quality of your art is not there yet.

If you start making money I suggest you invest some of it into paying someone to manage social media.

if your goal is to make art your job then you need to approach it as such. Many artists ignore the business end of things, but you have to if you want to live off it.

>>4901669
to add, just get started with an Instagram/twitter and accept payments with a paypal business account.

The big industries look for people who have experience and can deliver good art on time. It's a career, you don't make a career out of something you do for a few hours a week.

Experienced illustrators can ask for alot more money than you would expect.

for example a master traditional portrait painter can ask for as much as 20,000$-60,000 for a single portrait.

It's hard to find a balance between art and understanding how money and business works, but it is simply a requirement if you are serious.

>>4901737
>>4901751
thank you for the detailed responses. I see that I will have to push my knowledge and skill in drawing and painting to new levels if I want people to come to me instead of the other way around. Thank you for the effort and the reply, will keep grinding and being present on instagram and set up a proper webpage with my stuff on it. Already opened a bigcartel but it's hard to get the ball rolling.

I wish you the best anon

$20

been drawing for 7 years consistently, eternal /beg/ here

>>4901159
"I'm just a hobby artist" says someone who's not good enough to get paid so he surrenders to the corporate world working 9-5 like a proper good boy slave.

>>4901751
Nta but im gonna start coommissions soon so this is very appreciated, thank you based anon

>>4901732
>i seriously wonder if some of you guys are like big name artists and you just browse here and watch people talk about you, cause how else would you sell merch without being a big name?

/ic/ is a cesspool of misinformation and delusional perspectives in regards to making a career out of your art. A common one perpetuated by this board is that you NEED to be well known/famous or have a large social media following in order to make money, or that a large social media presence somehow means you'll be financially successful.

To be clear - you do not have to have a strong social media presence to make money. Sure, you can monetize a large following, but it's far from necessary. Likes & followers =/= money. Promoting your stuff to people who want it = money. Though most artists will never bother putting in the work to directly promote themselves, and will opt to use social media in the hopes of being "discovered".

When it comes to commercial commissions, I've taken the same approach as the other anon in this thread: Build up a portfolio (Squarespace, etc.) of well done & stylistically cohesive work, then promote it directly to businesses/corps/agencies/orgs, etc that can use what you've got, usually through a short, simple email. No social media necessary.

When it comes to merch sales, I personally took the print-on-demand route and focused on sites like Redbubble and Amazon to sell stuff with my designs on it. I never promote it via my smallish social media following and the income is almost completely passive via onsite traffic & organic searches from keywords. Again, no social media necessary.

>>4900723
20 (you)s

>>4901826
7 years? just give up anon and draw furry porn like me.

>>4901904
epic cope.
My jew boss is super chill and I make way more money then I ever could doing autistic furry porn.

I just see art as a hobby, not a source of income. Nothing more. When your paypigs grow tired of your doodles, and cancel their patreon subscriptions, i'll still be here making bank.
Stay forever mad.

>>4900733

Is this real?

>>4900970
@bbcchanart on twitter

>>4901971
Thanks anon, I really appreciate you sharing your experience. I have found that /ic/ is really delusional about getting commissions, especially when they think that its just waifu/OC commissions...

I have really been looking into RedBubble and Society6 to sell things and I'm surprised to hear you say that you don't really promote it and only have a smallish social media following. I've heard those websites are really hard to make money on, but its nice to hear that you're making something decent from them.
Have you by chance done any personal projects, like a comic book, art book etc and done a kickstarter or something similar? That's also what I was looking into next, but I'm not sure if that's just more /ic/ delusion.

>>4901381
>+ merch sales (prints, apparel, etc.
>>4901971
>When it comes to merch sales, I personally took the print-on-demand route and focused on sites like Redbubble and Amazon to sell stuff with my designs on it.
Do your designs involve solely original work or do you include licensed characters from various big trademarks? (for example Pokémon, ...)

And while we're at it, how good is the Redbubble's print quality for posters and such?

$600/month
polish
am I going to make it?

>>4901971
>promote it directly to businesses/corps/agencies/orgs
This is literally the only thing I can't figure, where or how do I find these people?

Idk, $5-6K??

Lots of dnd character art. it's good fun.

>>4902104
>huge money where i live
i thought you are from Germany or Austria or sth like htat

>>4902866
Pretty sure you just find their addresses through their websites
You have to think of companies that you would like to work for

>>4900723
Zero because I haven't taken commissions yet. Several people ask me though so I'm thinking to prepare. Apparently if you want a business PayPal you have to have a real business set up? Also how come no one talks about how easy it is to dox people with PayPal? Apparently it sends your full name if you buy anything from someone, and unless you use business PayPal the same is true if you sell.

>>4902113
Most people who successfully use RedBubble or S6 do not promote their shop. If you were going to directly promote your work / merch, it'd probably be more worth it to arrange your own manufacturing/inventory/shipping, as the margins will be much higher and more worth the effort of promoting via social media. I've not done a personal project, but they are absolutely legitimate ways of creating opportunity for yourself. Kickstarter is one way to see it come to fruition, but there are other ways as well.

>>4902125
I moved away from drawing designs based on licensed IP's years ago because it's just too risky. Hardly any commercial IP can be considered "safe" anymore and companies have gotten much, much better at taking down infringing work via DMCA's. When I was making new designs, I focused on making designs based around tags and keywords that I researched as being relatively high-demand and low-competition. Creating random original work will likely get you nowhere. You need to design around what people are searching for.

>>4902125
>where or how do I find these people?
See pic related. When submitting your work, less is more. You are not a used car salesman - you do not have to "sell" yourself. The goal is to simply let them know you exist, to share your work and to express your interest in working with them. Just email businesses to introduce yourself and your work, drop a link to your portfolio, and explicitly express your interest in working with them in the future. If your work is good, you'll be considered for freelance projects (ideally they'll tell you this). Most of the time, you will not hear back / get rejected. That's completely normal, though it's possible they won't respond to your initial email but still email you months later with an opportunity.

>>4901381
>merch sales
anon I have a question. do you just use one of those shitty on-demand sites? or do you have them made and then sell them yourself?

what are some good discord servers or sites in general where I can get comms at this level, and how much could I charge?

>>4902879
East/Central EU. 2nd world ex commie country.

>>4900723
I only started making money this year. Just under 1k. I made back all the money for the drawing tablets/programs I bought the past 4 years. Feels good bros.

This is my first year doing coomissions, but I’ve made around 4k and I’ve only done around 51 commissions, with two of those being comics making up the bulk of the thousands.

>>4900757
>lupin the third face

>>4901982
how long does it take to reach these kind of heights?

dunno how much i made but i bought a used 2500 usd used car and 2 full frame DSLRs and still got 4k usd left all from working on comms since july last year
art in pic related

>tfw all i post online is either coom or lewd pinups i had fun drawing but my commissioners just want sfw stuff from me

This entire thread is a blackpill lol, artistic skill is really not a guarantee you're gmi. I'm quitting art and do 9-5 instead.

£0.0
I'm not doing art to get paid, some dude tried to hire me once but I turned him down because I wanted to spend summer with my girl and I've done a few things every now and then for local stuff but I don't charge. It may be retarded but I'm putting all my energy into making something unique, or at least semi-unique. In a way I guess I'm lucky because I don't hurt for cash which allows me to pursue this and at my own pace.

>>4904413
Top shelf stuff, your clients are definitely getting their money's worth.
Would love to see your progress years in the future as an artist.

>>4904468
The souless wageslave automaton

>>4904579
that's sad and it hurts but yeah, I have to be a wagecuck if I want to survive. I wish everyone else pursuing art a success though.

>>4904468
Good luck anonymous

>>4904651
yeah yeah, now get back to work please, we are not paying you to pity comment on some weeb den of the internet.

I made 20 bux like 3 years ago one time. I never finish anything so I don't offer commissions of any kind. I know that if I actually sat and finished my work though, I could pull in decent pocket money because I'm intermediate as far as technical skill goes.

0. I haven't even tried selling my art as I consider myself shit. Im currently a well paid wagie but I would love to be able to earn at the very least min wage out of art exclusively someday even if it meant earning less by several orders of magnitude.

Probably about 35k in the past 2 years, enough to have to be taxed on

>>4903145
see >>4901971

>>4902104
So all these commissions are "free" on demand to the patreon subscribers? That's clever. How do you keep it from overflowing immediately?

>>4907746
The requests I mean.

>>4900723
From 2017-2019:
280k net sales 170k profit from selling at conventions in the US. Corona killed all my conventions this year so I actually lost money due to all the costs I already paid for...
I was even thinking about quitting my day job too...good that I didn't.

>>4901971
This anon is right you don't need a big social media following to make money. For conventions 99% of the people buying from me have no idea who I am. They just see something that appeals to them and they buy it.

>>4907823
costs you paid for? what like you make big banners or something?

So this thread is pretty much

Small brain: Doing full color commissions for $60 a piece
Medium brain: Get big followers on social media and shill your patreon
Big brain: Get in contact with companies and make big bucks selling merch and commercial comms

>>4907839
I paid 5k for merch to be made earlier this year that I planned to sell at cons but now its just sitting at home. Last year I spent 28k on merch alone. My online sales are like < 2% of my convention sales so they've been moving slowly. There's also costs for getting a table/booth the con that range anywhere from $150 (artist alley tables at smaller cons) to $2000 (Anime Expo exhibitor booth). There's travel and lodging costs, generally around $1000-1500 per con if it involves flying. There's also a lot of costs involving the physical display of my booth/table as well as the logistics of transporting all the merch/display props to and from conventions.

>>4900723
Hmm, I'd have to look at Paypal transactions over the years to try and figure it out. I've been doing commissions on and off since 2017 and I know it's more than likely under $500 USD

>>4907850
Yes

>>4900723
Need to draw furries more m8, go full MilesDF and charge $4000 per piece.

>>4907997
Russian mafia money laundering, everybody knows at this point.

>>4900723
13.2k in while doing it on and off (like 70% breaks), for the last 3 years. But for the foreseeable future I'm going to start a furry porn account, and I'm going all out to scam those degenerates from their money. With that money I'm going to buy some land, build a few houses and live as a landlord while using all of my free time to make my personal art (not furry shit).

>>4903719
it really gives me hope cause I also am from a similar country

>>4907887
Nta. You make merch for popular anime/franchises?

somewhere around 40 grand in 3 years so not much

>>4908099
About 30/70 original art/fanart. My originals sell pretty (kind of surprising), especially at more normie cons where people don't now the fandom that my fanart is for. I don't have license to sell them but at conventions generally nobody cares. The sole exception being at Anime Expo with Funimation owned series. 2018 they went around in the exhibitor hall and had everyone take down everything that Funimation had licensea for (My Hero Academia, DBZ, Evangelion, etc).

>>4900723
Most I ever made in a year was about $1k usd, with a customer pool of about fifteen people. In total, I've probably made about $1800.

>>4907997
So sick of this normie meme fuck off.
Miles commission income is so abnormal and is definitely NOT the average revenue even for furry artists. He became a meme and is the reason why people associate big bucks with furry art commissions.

>>4908819
huh didn't know there was a sakamichan of the furfag world.

>>4907997
>tfw fell for the furshit meme
>at first charged $100 a piece thinking people will buy my shit
>noone
>dropped it to $80 a piece
>still noone
>say fuck it and drop it to $50
>still noone
now im charging $20 and only at that price point will furries buy my shit

>>4900960
>>4903719

Is it 140k in your currency or USD? If it's the latter, what do you plan on doing with all that money? It seems like a good way to set yourself up for life, buy a home or something, maybe even get a hot wife

>>4902104
Could you tell us a bit about your background? How did you learn?

>>4908884
Pyw, it's true that furries will pay for pretty much anything, but it doesn't mean that they will pay much. If you want to make big bucks you still have to be good.

>>4910239
Hard Round Loomis

>>4910259
Loomis is fucking boring, I prefer Bridgman.

>>4900723
If we're including material costs, about $-2500

>>4910257
>If you want to make big bucks you still have to be good.
bbcchan's comms start at $120 and that's for a sketch
the fuck would anyone draw furry if drawing vanilla makes the same amount

>>4910685
>if drawing vanilla makes the same amount
sweet summer child

>>4900723
Around $120k over 5 years

>>4900723

About $50,000 in the last three years. I balance standard pinup stuff with SFW, such as superheroes and fantasy.

>>4908001
Do you have any evidence?

>>4904916
I've always wondered this, aren't artists who do commissions supposed to declare it as income on their taxes? But don't a lot of artists do transactions listed as gifts in paypal? I have no intention of doing commissions ever, but this stuff has always confused me.

>>4910196
Usually goes for living expenses. Some of it went to pay the mortgage on my parent's house, so that they can live without debt.

I live very modestly, so I'm basically just saving up for retirement and travel expenses.

>>4910239
Always just winged it, then once I started drawing porn comics for a living I realized I needed to take fundamentals seriously and I unironically did this >>4910259 (Loomis and Scott Robertson in my case).

>>4900723
20€
Not for pic related tho.

>>4911022
>bbcchanart
It's always weird to me when people as good as you are here. Like, what do you get from here anymore at your level?

>>4900723

£1700 (around $2200 USD)

Got my first ever commission 10 months ago, managed to get a cintiq pro 24 with money i earned myself from doing animation, feels amazing man.

I'm not a very good worker on a whole though, i'm always having clients reaching out because i'm taking too long because of a mix of procrastination, perfectionism and depression. If i got over those issues i could easily have a liveable income going on, but i'm too unmotivated for now

>>4911123
Gather resources, share knowledge, revisit my roots.

>>4911137
>he used all the money he makes on comms on a cintiq
the fuck is this retard shit

>tfw want to make it and work hard everyday to make it happen
How will I know when I'm good enough to even attempt selling? Only thing I'm aware now is that Im still trash after 2 years.

>>4911155
what is the problem with re-investing into your business?

i was using a 13hd for years, the 24 pro is dope as fuck.

>>4900723
-600 USD(price of cintiq, sketchbooks, pencils)

>>4911137
Wait is this real??

>>4911155
Jealous much? Now he works on a comfy 24 pro while you still use the 20 USD huion LMAOOOOO

>>4910898
He is the only retard with thoose prices, and he is not even the cream of the crop when comes to furry, his fur looks like rubber, not even darkgem has thoose retarded prices and Darkgem can justify them with his skills.

>>4908884
Your art must be total shit

>>4911196
real as fuck. why do you ask?

>>4900723
Around 2k this year I’m about to graduate from university so I want to grind a bit to change my commissions prices from lowest price 80$ to lowest price 100+$ hopefully without classes I can make 1k monthly or maybe 2k

>>4900733
>being underage

>>4911022
>Some of it went to pay the mortgage on my parent's house, so that they can live without debt.

That's respectable. Now this isn't art related and you don't have to answer it if it's not a topic you want to get into: but since you live in a former Soviet country, would you say that banks and investment opportunities are stable in your country?

I think one part that makes the West so industrious, and this is often overlooked, is that people know that what they earn will still be there the next morning and the economic situation is relatively stable (for most part). I heard that a lot of people who "make it" in Russia, for example, don't invest their earnings into their country's ruble but instead store it in euros or US dollars.

In other words, how do you decide what to put your investments in?

>>4911022
most expensive thing you bought with your art money?

>>4900723
I haven’t kept track in recent years, but I paid off my 28,000 dollar student loan in 3 years.

>>4911203
That's not an evidence. His high prices might just mean that he hate doing commissions and wants to simply avoid retards sending him pms asking for cheap oc pieces

>>4912934
I'm a furry and I have been from almost 2 decades, lots of contacts, lots of people and most hate Miles, so far I don't know of anyone who has get a commission from him for real, there this rumour he is laundering money and using others as proxies, paying them with his art or maybe money, furries have money and they are willing to spend, but we are not batshit insane theres lot people better than him on furaffunity alone, let alone Twitter so how this clown can justify those retarded prices? You have to be mentally handicapped to believe people buy that shit, thats a ton on money man, is just not real and thats why he has gained this fishy shady aura, most people don't commision him because they don't want to have anything linking them and their OCs to this rusky crook

>>4912942
That's what I said basically. He set his prices so high so he doesn't need to worry about people commissiong him. Idk where you'd get the money laughing part. That's why I was asking for proof. So far it just your speculation.

>>4912994
>money laughing
*money laundering

>>4912994
Okay Miles, now explain how the people that commission you have Zero commissioning log, or suddenly jump from getting garbage tier 30 USD pics yo getting one of your 7k ones? Mind explaining how that works?

>>4911425
Honestly I'm not very savvy about this kind of stuff, however I don't exactly live in a poor country. We are in the EU and EMU, so we're doing pretty okay I guess. The average monthly income here is about 1100 EUR (about $1300 USD), and with that kind of money you can do fine. The quality of living is 100% western. The biggest problem the young generation faces here is the housing. It's almost impossible to buy real estate or get mortgages nowadays.

>>4911432
My current PC.

I had a patreon for maybe a year and a bit, pulling in about $200~/mo
Killed a while ago. Awful platform.

>>4913584
>zero commission log
Come to think of it, I don't think TehCait commissioned him for a Sponty pic. And he's known as one of the larger sugar daddies in the community.

>>4900723
over 50 grand in the last 3 years.

>>4913830
How so? mind to explain?

>>4900811
No one would pay $40 for that

>>4907850
It's not about brain size. You need to be good for the "medium brain" option and great for the "big brain" one.

Yeah I'd love to work for companies but I'm not good enough yet.

>>4911160
>How will I know when I'm good enough to even attempt selling?
When people start asking is a good indicator, but also when you have a solid workflow and can complete things in a decent amount of time.

But honestly it always feels like a leap of faith.

>>4913774

You killed it or Patreon killed it? And why?

>>4913682
how lucrative are comms compared to patreon? are you still doing comms?

>>4900723
>How much have you so far from your art?
About $160k yearly.

From sold paintings, prints and illustrations i'll guess $10k. Since 12 years back.

>>4915363
>$13k monthly
from what? commissions?

>>4915030
I'm doing commissions for my patrons, no public ones anymore.
Public commissions are more lucrative than Patreon, but I have more leeway when it comes to workload.

>>4915706
I’m a mid level art manager in a studio. Not particularly good at painting commissions and it wouldn’t be worth the time spent

>>4916224
do you have a job for me?

>>4916224
>$160k
>mid lvl manager
wtf not even trying to be subtle eh? gfy

>>4916229
We mostly hire UX/UI designers now, mid to senior level. Also looking for TA, tech artists, but it might come with more requirements like language. I don't think that's popular on /ic/ but you could always drop your artstation or linkedin.

1 dollar

i'll lose my neetbux if i start earning my own money

>>4916346
thank god you ain't good enough

>>4911150
bless you

>>4916346
how much neet bux do you get a month and how comfortable are you with that life style? wouldn't mind giving it a shot myself. I really cant stand being a wagie. I have a degree and everything, and I still cant stand it.

>>4917469
whats your current job?

>>4917465
nah i'm 'good enough', i just can't handle the stress

>>4918021
>I can't handle the stress
Yeah, you ain't good enough.

>>4900757

Why is Lupin III blue and in a nazi uniform?

>>4900723
260 in a 3 weeks