/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Literally me

>>4917543
While you're wasting all your time doing that, he's improving.

>>4917543
anon you do remember you have to draw at some point too right?

>young artist follows me
>asks me for advice and tutorials
This is where I knew you were lying.

>>4917555
Not him but I'm a very average intermed-level artist, and I still get people (almost always teens/kids) following me and asking me for advice. It's actually quite common, unless you never post art on social media.

>aspiring artist asks what books they use for perspective
>tell them they use their own method
Was pretty weird to see, from his work I don't even know if he's being disingenuous.

>>4917543
Literal autism. Enjoy never improving on your "art". Also kill yourself.

>the less people that make it the better it is for the rest of us
Clearly you don't understand how monopolies work.

>>4917569
Ok, this time try in English and without adding another layer of ambiguity by using tranny pronouns.

>>4917588
>they = tranny pronouns
Fucking retard

>>4917543
Nah this is low tier expending mental energy to be shitty to a stranger. It's a dopamine button you can smash because you feel bad about yourself (if you were killing the art game you wouldn't be worried about 1 beg artist that very likely will never compete with you for anything).

You're here to play show and tell because you're blue balled unless you get your wink and a nod from a validating party. The "zero sum" shit is just the excuse for why your dick was out when you go to zip up.

>friend sees my drawings
>asks how did I get so good
>"just fucking draw"
>stops asking me questions

>>4917543
>>straight gamma flex
what a special boy you are

>pyw
>Only post my worst work edited and such to make people have low expectations
It's not particularly crab but it is devilish.

>>4917543
Good job buddy go hang this one on the fridge.

>>4917543
>friend wants to start drawing
>link steve huston beg head on youtube
>gives up after 2 days

This is a based thread.
Crab general when?? Thank god for jazza, siniix and all the other crab vloggers that produce an unprecedented amount of ngmis daily.

wtf is crab

>>4917989
It’s the super user of /ic/. The lawful-evil aligned chad that understands the limits of the art market and proactively cleans it up of potential competitors.

>>4917543
It's quite understandable for crabs like you to exist, usually insecure with your own work so you drag others down, doing the dirty work for higher level artists. I benefit from all of you thank God.

>>4918003
post work

>>4918005
in this shithole? lol, never

>>4917543
I am similar honestly. If someone who is not a SUPER close friend to me asks for tips, how to draw dynamic poses, how to get good at lineart, etc. I tell them to jist look at pics of posea and try to draw it the best they can in their own way, just to practice lineart a lot and that whatever method they are doing is good, and for every other question I just tell them to develop their style and that it will come naturally with practice if they do that.

I spent so many hours and have done so much hard work getting good at poses and trying to set my art apart that the less artists who make shit similar to mine the better.

no competition means no drive for innovation, op. if everyone had your mindset we'd be in an artistic dark age.

>>4918015
As seen on /beg/.
Based crabs taking back the board from the eternal ngmis

>>4917543
I am similar honestly. If someone who is not a SUPER close friend to me asks for tips, how to draw dynamic poses, how to get good at lineart, etc. I tell them to just look at pics of poses and try to draw it the best they can in their own way, just to practice lineart a lot and that whatever method they are doing is good, and for every other question I just tell them to develop their style and that it will come naturally with practice if they do that. So basically all just "You are on a great path! Just practice and solidify your style :)"

I spent so many hours and have done so much hard work getting good at poses and trying to set my art apart that the less artists who make shit similar to mine the better.

>>4918029
Less competition =! no competition

>>4918015
>too insecure to post work, calls others insecure
pottery

>>4918033

still applies. less competition means less innovation. the kids your shitty attitude puts off are the ones who would otherwise end up keeping you fresh and on your toes in the future.

>>4918026
>>4917996
Based, remember that young people today have
>endless free resources
>powerful digital tools that didn't exist back in the day
>social media offering more opportunities than ever before
>better health, more energy, can draw for longer

A third worlder can live off $300/month patreon and dedicate his entire time to drawing. The only way oldfags can compete is to stunt this new generation of zoomer artists.

>>4918038

or, alternatively, if you stagnate, they'll help you age later on, their hip new thing will push nostalgic minds toward you. i can't gush enough about old pulp and comic artists from the 60s and 70s.

>>4918038
No, that’s completely stupid. The “community” is already saturated. Boomer artists didn’t feel the pressure of highly available international pressure and they were not worse off for it. A controlled amount of competition is ok, an insane oversaturation isn’t. The more there are ngmis the better for everyone.

>implying they aren't gonna get better than you anyway
>and live 40 years longer than you

>>4918040
>A third worlder can live off $300/month patreon and dedicate his entire time to drawing
This is a great argument. Some aspie living in rural vietnam won’t have a problem charging fivers for a days work. The only solution at that point id to mislead them hard.

>>4918045
This, globalization has created a huge influx of artists, depressing potential wages (clearly seen in industries like MTG and disney). This happens to EVERY single industry, the more potential workers there are, the less value each of them have.

Imagine if 90% of artists all vanished tomorrow, the remaining 10% would be in such high demand that their wages would skyrocket.

>>4917543
>>4918032
Thanks for doing your part anons, you are doing god's work.
>>4918040
>>4918045
>>4918048
Exactly. There are so many fucking kids and 3rd worlders on Insta getting into art that we need to keep them doing shitty Calarts tier doodles so most of them just stay bad and give up.

>>4918046
This is precisely why they need to be crabbed into oblivion.

>>4918034
Nothing to do with insecurity, getting doxxed and associated with this site is simply bad for business :)

thank GOD im a hobbyist and not trying to make it in this industry fuck

>>4917547
no, he's not. thanks to based op

>>4917543
Pyw

>inb4 you don’t because you’re shit

>>4917996
>>4918032
>>4918040
>>4918048
What you aren't realizing is that this misleading
A)Already happens on accident due to unintentional bad advice
B) Is inefficient on an individual basis
C) Is pointless as there is no guarantee that your rival was ever even going to get good enough or become dedicated enough to be a real competitor
What you're doing is essentially equivalent to shutting down your mom when she mentions how she wishes she had an antique shop, solely so you can keep your eBay shop alive. Her shop would have never succeeded anyways and that's assuming she ever got the cash or grit to even start.
Effectively speaking your targets should be other and bigger artists. People big enough that you could shut them down by hacking their shit and nuking it or cooking up a significant controversy. Those two things would both be effective and realistic enough for a retard crab to manage
>>4918050
Global wages are suppressed because the top global earners hoard wealth and eat up everything they can. Your wages don't suck shit because you and a chinaman are competing for $5, your wages suck because a handful of billionaires have put every dollar they could steal into an offshore account. If 90% of artists dissappeared all that would happen is whoever is left would maybe have more followers and get some extra pocket change from commissions but there'd be no significant market shift.

>>4918066
>>4917996
Chad energy
>>4918072
Exactly

sounds like you guys are (justly) mad at cost of living, not other artists

dont forget to vote

>>4917543
>>4917996
>>4918032
Funny enough this is exactly what all the successful /ic/ artists that still visit this board actively do (and the sole reason they keep coming besides le humble brag). On the other hand the very moment one doesn't fall in line and actually gives good advice they get constantly shit on until they leave for good.

>>4918082
None of what you said refutes anything. If all the 30+ boomers worked together to shut down these zoomers, it would accelerate the "dumbening" and do it on such a large scale that everyone would be on a much more even playing field.

You all will never make it. Out of the thousands of users on this board, I can only count a handful who actually became GMI

>>4918121
all the more reason to crab. If I can't make it out of this bucket, I'm dragging as many of you down with me as I can

>>4918082
>Your wages don't suck shit because you and a chinaman are competing for $5, your wages suck because a handful of billionaires have put every dollar they could steal into an offshore account.
>If 90% of artists dissappeared all that would happen is whoever is left would maybe have more followers and get some extra pocket change from commissions but there'd be no significant market shift.

Rofl, of course someone spouting commie shit can't grasp even the most basic concept of supply and demand.

I do commissions. They cost around $250. They used cost around $50. Did my art get better? No, not really. I just got popular enough that I couldn't keep up with the demand for my art, so I slowly increased my price to the point where the demand dropped to a level I could meet.

So what happens if 90% of the artists suddenly disappear, and all their customers go scrambling to the remaining 10% of artists? What are those artists gonna do? They can't possibly meet the demand. So they will increase their prices, and work only for the people who can pay the new price.

How do you think furfags like MilesDF manage to charge $5000+ for a YCH? Have you ever had single thought about money that wasn't spoonfed to you by commie academic, or some billionaire's media corporation?

Don't listen to people who are paid to tell you what to think. Observe reality as it sits before you, take note of it, and act accordingly.

>>4918046
>and live 40 years longer than you

The average zoomer is in way worse shape than I was at that age. They get even less exercise and eat even worse shit than I did.

15 years ago there were maybe 10 fat kids in my whole school of 400 students. Today, every time I pass by, I see 100 fatties and 10 absolute irredeemable hamplanets whould have had to be homeschooled in my day, because we would have bullied them to anorexia or suicide.

>>4918137
boomer cope. once you past 50 you're pretty much rolling the dice every year.

>>4918113
Except it wouldn't. Quality resources already exist and good artists own their market share. For every hour you spend trying to make zoomers dumb that's an hour you aren't spending making revenue or practicing, it's an hour that can be defeated with old or new quality information (which you will never be able to erase),and it's an hour that sakimichan or some random furry can spend stealing your audience that isn't entertained by the crabening.
>>4918127
>They will increase their prices, and work only for the people who can pay the new price.
Price is not solely dictated by demand, it is also dictated by what the market can afford, and is dictated by past prices. If 90% of artists dissappear then the artists at the top can only charge so much more because their customers only have so much to spend. You therefore can't charge but so much because both your audience can only afford so much and the market with more budget than you is already being held by artists above you. 90% of artsts likely aren't charging more than $100 for a trash-tier comm, and it's because their customers can't or won't pay above that. If buyers who can't pay more than $100 aren't bring served it doesn't benefit you because they can't afford your current prices and to serve them at their price point is to devalue your work. All that happens is that maybe those people give you some patreon bucks and then leftover desperate artists clean up whatever scraps are left. You would only ever make more money if either you could service a higher paying customer or if existing customers had more cash to then meet your prices.
>How do you think furfags like MilesDF manage to charge $5000+ for a YCH?
Because miles serves a higher paying customer. He doesn't magically make 5k off a ych because supply and demand, he makes 5k because he serves people that can pay 5k. If people couldn't pay 5k he can't make 5k no matter how little supply or how much demand there is. That's basic econ

>>4917543
Hope this is a shitpost

>>4918234
It’s actually not, this is genuinely how people on /ic/ are now

>>4917543
This, that’s why most of /ic/ will be ngmi and perma /beg/s for the rest of time.

>>4917595
That pic, I wish that was me and my friend.

>>4918234
>>4917543
I regularly give out misleading & harmful advice on /ic/. Especially when it comes to giving out career / commission advice, I try to purposefully set people up for failure. The best is when you get a lot of replies thanking you for sharing your tips, as it just goes to show that morons here will eat up any advice from some anonymous stranger as long as the advice is presented with confidence and authority.

so this... this is the power of NGMI...

>>4918032
>>4917543
So this is your mind on 'competition'...I'm so glad I just draw cause it's fun, get complimented, and don't have to worry about money through art. Of course people on /ic/ just draw soulless boring realism so forget about 'style' anyway, you all deserve to fail to stand out.

>>4918147
>For every hour you spend trying to make zoomers dumb that's an hour you aren't spending making revenue or practicing
lmao nigga it takes like 3 minutes to convince an anon to do something stupid and then propagate the bad advice, I can do it during a break and not miss a beat

>>4918280
This, love all the coping in this thread. It means the idea of not being spoonfed anymore actually scares the coddled zoomer.

>>4918094
The correct answer.

>artist I like draws the most appealing characters I've ever seen, from every angle
>artist very clearly has an extremely developed construction process based on guidelines leftover from their sketches
>"wow how did you accomplish this style?"
>"lmaooo idkkkkk like i just drawwww"
i hate this feminine backtalk/attitude that so many artists have. just say "i don't want to tell you. it took me 2000 hours to figure this out. find your own style. or figure it out.". or just say "it's complicated and i don't feel like explaining it for free for some random asshole". whatever you tell me, i dont care. just don't be a total bitch and dont lie

>>4918297
Nah, then you'll talk shit about us behind our back. Better to feign ignorance, you fuck off either way so who cares

>>4918295
Economic competition turns everyone into assholes trying to survive in the rat race, it's disgusting but of course they just focus their hate on fellow human beings in their exact same relatable position instead of the structure that brings it about.

women really ruin everything don't they

>>4918297
I WOULD honestly be straight up about it and say I am not willing to share what I have learned, but that is not socially acceptible. You will get screenshotted and passed around as a dickhead who doesn't care about blossoming artists that are your fans.
It is really not worth all that and is much smarter to just give some "practice lots and you will get there! Ganbare" bs and go on about your day knowing you still did not give any helpful information.

>>4918300
Why would I shit talk someone who produces artI want to replicate?

>>4918297
Yeah but you just don't get the same adrenaline rush as when you deliberately sabotage someone while pretending to have their best interests at heart. That shit makes my dick hard and I live to coom. Deal with it faggot.

>>4918297
>it took me 2000 hours to figure this out.
Ngmi

>>4918329
cringe. You're NGMI anyway. you can always prove me wrong by pyw though...

>>4918325
Your post might be satire but it's 100% how some artists think and operate. You ask what artists they are inspired by and you get obvious false answers. It's all so fucking tiresome. One of the reasons I put off trying to learn to draw for so long is because I know deep down it would be like this. I knew it would be a massive struggle to learn even how to learn to draw what I want. Because I know I have niche art interests and I know the only way I'll get what I want out of artists I like is if I crawl my way to a point where I can tempt them with art trades in exchange for helpful information.

>>4918297
counter point: you believing there is a complex process to something doesn’t make it so
I sometimes get complimented on my rendering, asked about brushes, how to control edges, how to get a texture etc. and I’m a shit renderer and literally only use a hard round and an airbrush and zero tricks to do anything
nigger, if you want a hard edge, you use a hard edge brush or erase with a hard eraser, what the fuck do you want me to say

>>4918332
What kind of low IQ reverse psychology shit is this? Are you a chick or something?

>>4918329
Ask me how I know you're a woman

>>4918329
You niggas need to go outside more

>>4918340
no

>>4918337
You're gay and retarded .Everyone knows it's easy to fake rendering. Everyone knows you can cheese it and render well without knowing exactly what you're doing. You can't fake construction/style. You literally can fake/brute force pretty much anything else, but you can't brute force those.

>>4918338
I have a bigger dick than you ever will faggot. Who cares, your work will never be remembered anyways just like mine and everyone else on /ic/

>>4918331
Are you retarded or something? I probably don't even have 2000 hours total put in to art yet. But it'sobvious, just looking at someone's pixiv or art portfolio, that they sometimes take 5+ years to develop a certain style.

>>4918349
and I have the worlds smallest penis but that doesn't make it any less thrilling to dab on all the /begs/ try again faggot.

>>4918329
You’re any kind of artist? Anybody know who you are? You miserable presumptuous no talent. You’re no artist. An artist respects the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity. You obviously don’t have the talent. You don’t have enough respect for yourself or other people, or know what it means to respect yourself in any form of creativity in drawing or anything else. You suck. You’re a no talent. If you really have talent, go practice. And then get yourself a gig instead of ruining the day for everybody here. You're a disgrace. You are everything that’s gone wrong in this world. You’re a self consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit. And I’ve earned my right to say it. And I'm an NYC Film School graduate, and the Academy of Art University San Francisco. I’m trained classically, I’m trained contemporaneously, and you suck. Shame on you. Who do you think you are? Who the fuck are you? You know what you are? You’re nothing and you will never be anything. Never. Fuck you.

>>4918343
>fake rendering.
>you’re retarded

>>4918360
damn dude I'm not gonna read all that shit. Summarise it in a few words.

>>4918360
based
>YA FLAT

>>4918343
post your fake rendering

>>4918361
You're just being a pedantic, hyper feminine sperg about this. You can "fake" your knowledge of rendering and render at a level that will misrepresent to others how much you know about light, subsurface scattering, and whatever else. I'm not sure why you're being such a whiny bitch over what is patently obvious

>>4918363
Based

>>4918368
>I can render well enough people think I know what I'm doing when in reality I dont
>Yes, that's common
>WTF POST YOUR ART?!!?!

>>4918343
there is literally no difference between rendering and construction, there is no rendering without form, read robertson

>>4918363
>newfag doesn't know

>>4918375
>x is easy
>post your x
>nooooooo you can’t ask that!
construction is easy lmao just draw

>>4918375
>how do you control your edges
>with a hard round brush
>lol you don’t know what you’re doing, I thought you knew how to control your edges lol
???

>>4918383
>>4918383
>construction is easy lmao just draw

U fuckin what mate

>>4918127
>How do you think furfags like MilesDF manage to charge $5000+ for a YCH?

it turns out he does money laundering. the community doesn't like him.

>>4918424
>cucks the big g
>pisses off furries
damn, I’m thinking miles is based

>>4918297
>ask about style
>get vague answer about the intangible concept of style
why didn't you ask about methods or construction if that's what you were interested in?

>>4917592
Ok, tranny.

>>4918032
>SUPER
See, the reason why this is a crab-infested board is because women are allowed to use the Internet and exude their bitterness in a passive-aggressive way.

In a male Internet, people would either give relevant advice or just go for childish 1v1 drawing duels/explicit humiliation.

Social media gives me cooties.

>>4917543
You’re any kind of artist? Anybody know who you are? You miserable presumptuous NO TALENT!!!!! You’re no artist!!!! An artist respects the silence that serves as the foundation of creativity. You obviously don’t have the talent. You don’t have enough respect for yourself or other people, or know what it means to respect yourself in any form of creativity in drawing or anything else. You suck. You’re a no talent. If you really have talent, go practice. And then get yourself a gig instead of ruining the day for everybody here. You're a disgrace. You are everything that’s gone wrong in this world. You’re a self consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit. And I’ve earned my right to say it. And I'm an NYC Film School graduate, SUCKA. and the Academy of Art University San Francisco. I’m trained classically, I’m trained contemporaneously, and you suck. Shame on you. Who do you think you are? Who the fuck are you? You know what you are? You’re nothing and you will never be anything. Never. Fuck you.

>>4918147
>You would only ever make more money if either you could service a higher paying customer

...Who do you think those higher paying customers are going to go to when you've removed 90% of the artists?

Standards will drop.

>>4918574
It would depend on who disappeared. If all the garbage artists vanish then nothing changes for you except maybe more patreon dollars, if the vanishing is distributed on a curve then maybe you get a chance to move up, and if all the top tiers are gone then whoever has the best social media skills goes up. Any way it goes you'd at best only have a slightly better chance at winning the rat race.

There's an artist I look up to. I used to always ask him for advice on how to improve. He'd give me the same bullshit dead-end answers like OP. I knew he was bullshitting me but I just pretended it wasn't happening. In a way, not being spoonfed has done more for me than being dependent on someone else's advice. I can now copy his style 1 for 1 and i'm slightly more popular than him now because I output artwork at a higher rate.

It's funny.

>>4917543
sub-human faggot who cant cope with competition lmao

>>4917543
>plans to trick retards
>tells them how he’s gonna do it first

Genius

i feel like this is just plain true for all my artist "friends"
they're supposed to be my friends but they never seem to want to help me

>>4919332
Why should they help you? What do you offer in return?

You guys are absolutely pathetic.
Get a real job and have sex.

>>4919542
i try to help them even if i'm absolute /beg/
but i thought they were my friends. its hard to even get a good answer out of them even if its as simple as asking on how they study

>>4918502
This guy gets it. Its always subhuman third worlders or Femoids who are the ones being passive aggressive crabs.

>>4917543
>have 20gigs
Are they very low res, or is this meant to say you have very little?

>>4919657
Artists are in 99% female or feminized males. As such, they have no concept of honor and no moral code. They feel no desire to help those who cannot directly and immediately benefit them or reciprocate ten fold.

>>4918653
What exactly did you learn by yourself that you couldve learned through spoonfeeding? Any specific examples?

>>4918436
>"Oh, you want to know what methods I used to accomplish a certain style? Well you should've asked what *construction* methods I used to accomplish a certain style. Because without that single adjective, I have no idea how to answer your question. Heh, better luck next time, kid."

Why is every fucking artist like this? What happened in these peoples lives to make them such insufferable antisocial retards?

>>4919811
that makes sense

I myself admit doing this to beginners asking for easy shortcut. But I want to appeal to my fellow professionals' sense of morality, that if you see a beginner really works hard and dedicated I hope you give him/her a modicum of your wisdom, just help them out genuinely if they are not lazy and asking to be spoon fed. From what I noticed, doing this constantly will drag industry standards down to the point where AI overtakes us all. If you kill off 90% of potential competitions the remaining 10% will soon fade away and the future of Art Industry will surely be dominated by AI. Art will forever lose its soul. Let's think of future generations as well and try to balance things out.

>>4919927
I pretty much never see low effort /beg/s asking for easy shortcuts. I see tons of high level /beg/s asking for advice, showing their high effort sketches, and pretty much begging for any tips on higher level topics like line weight. And of course the typical /int/oid just shits out generic advice "muh 30 second gesture" "muh look at artists you like and copy them" which completely circumvent the question

The most progress Ive made as a /beg/ was never coming to /ic/. Because at least when you don't come here you're not getting constantly gaslighted by a group of hyper feminized neurotics who get some weird satisfaction from undermining and impeding your progress

>>4917555
Not that guy but when I was 16 I had a couple of younger artists asking me to mentor them on deviantart (which I did end up doing, poor things did not improve much as i was in the /asg/ mindset of "just copy anime you don't need fundies"). I was shit tier but they thought I was really good because I could symbol draw better than them. I promise you this shit can 100% happen even if you suck. You just need someone who sucks more to follow you and message you asking for advice.

>>4919934
>And of course the typical /int/oid just shits out generic advice "muh 30 second gesture" "muh look at artists you like and copy them" which completely circumvent the question
I find it hard to believe that actual /int/s are giving that kind of advice. Sounds like /beg/s role-playing.

If someone asked me about line weight I'd give them a few examples and tell them to get into form/values/light and shadow practice.

Then again they always bitch about that advice and ask if there's an easier way to do it, so... I guess I can see people getting salty and giving shit advice.

>>4918331
That’s not much more than a year of work if you actually draw every day.

>>4920001
If you can’t make it in a year give up. Michelangelo did it in a week with no sleep. Just draw 20 hours a day, you’ll feel like shit but you’ll master anatomy, form, construction and rendering easily

>>4919954
Maybe learn to be selective and use your brain for 3 seconds to differentiate the shitters from the begs actually trying

>>4917594
Truest post in the thread. OP and everyone posting in agreement is tripping on a delusion of power to ease the sting of being a nobody shitter. Any kid with the drive and intelligence to make it is going to make it. Any stupid trick you throw out them will just be 1 of many obstacles you climb while making it.

This thread has Andrew Dobson levels of bitterness, and probably Dobson levels of intelligence and talent to pair with it.

>>4918251
So many dykes on this board. Wish you would all kill yourselves. Maybe all the bitterness and bait threads would go down.

>>4918653
who's the artist?

>>4920223
Obscenely based, I can’t believe OP genuinely thinks he makes any impact whatsoever. You’re trying to fill a bucket with big holes in it. Anyone who falls for bad advice wasn’t gonna make it anyway and was never gonna be “competition”. Probably competition for OP, because he must be a beg shitter if he feels this way

>>4920223
>>4920256
Cope and seethe.
There is a reason people are asking OP for art advice and not you two no talent retards.

>>4920223
>Any kid with the drive and intelligence to make it is going to make it.
Sure, but no sense in helping him get there faster. As boomers, we need to do everything in our power to stunt the younger generations so they don't surpass us for as long as possible.

If all the resources/scans/tutorials were deleted tomorrow and banned, we'd no longer have to compete with third worlders who can survive on drawing for $5 a day. As it stands, these zoomers are on the fast track to outpacing every older person.

>>4920353
Its pretty funny how so many artfag millenials cry foul and claim boomers ruined the economy, housing and job markets and pulled the ladder up with them. Then when some starry eyed zoomer asks them for advice to make appealing art, they pretend to shrug and tell the zoomer some bullshit about "muh bootstraps"

>>4920314
Oh and picrel, it's me and ill fuck all of you nerds irl

>>4920358
It's logical, if people were treated a certain way growing up they'll treat others how they were treated.

>>4920358
I tried to help a zoomer that asked me for advice. I taught her visual measuring with a grid, gave her some critiques on her shit (she asked me to review her portfolio) and gave her a bunch of books on fundies and techniques and even a few good ones about weeb shit since that's what she finds fun. She realized that art is hard and has since quit.

Probably would have been better off if I just gave her one of those shitty how to draw manga books and left her with that.

>>4920353
>Sure, but no sense in helping him get there faster.
Being the first true industry friend of a young talent is one of the most powerful forms of networking possible. This thread is pathetic and you all would flunk the politicking of an actual career.

>>4920406
Don't tell them that. Shhhh.

>>4920406
This, someday you'll mature enough to realize that the greatest gift you can give someone is knowledge. If you be good to the young people, they'll be good to you later on.

>>4920406
Like ive been saying, most artists are turbo feminine roasties and nu males who are more interested in tearing down others for giggles than building bonds and bridges. Obviously there a lot of potential great benefits in tutoring someone else. But that requires delayed gratification, which the hyper feminized femoid and nu male cannot process. They are high time preference impulsive neurotics

>>4920434
pyw macho man
oh wait, you’re too much of an insecure pussy to do it lol

>>4920446
>subject yourself to my ridicule or youre not masculine! Im calling into question and challenging your masculinity! So you have to fall for my shit test or else youre not masculine!
Der ewige roastie

>>4920455
>align yourself with my opinions or youre not masculine! Im calling into question and challenging your masculinity! So you have to fall in line and do what I want or else youre not masculine!
seething numale

>>4920457
When an ass in a field brays at you do you feel the need to get down on all fours and bray back? Asking for a friend.

>>4920460
I wouldn’t know, I don’t sit alone in my room and think about getting on all fours for a donkey while getting mad better men won’t teach me how to be like them, fag

>>4919881
Nothing happened
They don’t appreciate the value of helping someone because they don’t know what someone helpless looks like

>>4920462
OoooooOoooo lol. Sorry who is who again?

>>4920480
>>4919881
No, retards, the difference is what the original retard was trying to communicate vs what he actually communicated.
Only complete beg imbeciles think a style is something you learn or achieve, it’s just how you fucking draw and has nothing to do with construction.
The imbecile asked him how to draw like him and got upset at being told to just draw (as that is how you develop a fucking style, by discovering shorthands) because HURRR DURRR HE CLEARLY USED CONSTRUCTION HE’S TRYING TO TRICK ME
An animu fag and loomis himself would use the exact same construction and get completely disconnected styles because construction has jack fucking shit to do with style. It’s just a framework of where to put features and corners, for fuck’s sake.
Stop being mad people won’t hold your hand and go fucking draw

>>4920487
Yeah but draw what? What considerations should one make? It’s just a disingenuous response to a sincere question

>>4920487
Like, calm down bruh.

>>4920489
The whole concept of color theory wouldn’t exist if people weren’t taught considerations

>>4920482
>n-no u
peak estrogen response

>>4920489
>draw what
jesus christ, you cannot be serious

>>4920509
Try speaking a little louder

>>4920518
try dropping some balls lol

>>4920510
Like what are practices one does to improve. How do you study
What are techs i should know
Is this really so hard to understand

>>4917543
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>>4920520
Like what’s someone process?
It’s like fuck dude, maybe I should have never started grinding
Fuck you guys I was happy drawing the way I was but now I’ve been poisoned by knowledge
I guess this is what it calls to lose your soul

>>4920519
No, still nothing interesting. Stick to the asses maybe? Or ask a pro for help. Were you the one arguing for or against that lol

>>4917543
I hesitate to give people advise because I am afraid that I might steer them wrong or waste their time.

>>4920406
/thread

>>4920641
Is every artist just failing at everything they do? Because I hear this excuse all the time
Just end every bit of advice with “but that’s just what I do, experiment with what works for you”
Like shit dude

>>4920682
probably just low self esteem

>>4917595
"Just draw bro" is the artistic equivalent of telling someone to kick rocks. The least you could do if you wanted to help was recommend a few books, but no just draw bro :^)

>>4919332
Teaching art is harder than you think. A lot of it is personal, intuitive yet based on dense amounts of visual information learned through years of study. Also people learn in different ways - your friend's learning style may not make sense to your brain.

Sometimes a beg artist will show me something and its so lacking in fundies that I don't even know where to start the critique. Its like trying to grade an essay when its just word salad.

Teaching itself is a skill and not everyone knows how to relay their knowledge in a digestible way. But there are several well-known art teachers who are impossible to miss; everywhere from 4chan to Tumblr to Reddit to actual concept artist sites will tell you to study Loomis/Proko or Vilpuu. All of these teachers have easily accessible resources found in torrents, youtube, shit even on Pinterest.

literally Bridgeman books are like $5 at a secondhand bookstore.

People who choose to ignore the myriad of tried and true resources in the hopes that someone will magically guess their learning style are annoying and lazy and deserve nothing.

>>4920953
The three most important things about teaching is to be able to make it interesting, accessible to different brains and learning styles, and to have clear purpose
You’d think artists would get the first one right but they hardly do

>>4921012
As I said, teaching and doing are different things. Not sure how it's a failure on the artist's part to not be a good teacher - both involve creativity but creativity isn't some magical resource that translates the same across all disciplines. Ex. Someone can be a great songwriter but be terrible at designing album art. They speak the language of music but not graphic design.

A good teacher understands how to teach the fundamentals of something - grammar is the fundie of language for example. Just because someone can speak English doesn't mean they can explain Oxford grammar rules to you. You need a teacher for that.

Additionally just because you understand the rules doesn't mean you understand appeal, that can only be done through personal observation and practice. This applies across all creative endeavors and can not be taught.

Itt: learn your fundies and draw which is what everyone always says but lazy people refuse to read or pick up a pencil and expect to be spoonfed a magic secret that doesn't exist.

>>4921197
yeah of course teaching is its own skill that requires a lot of creativity
its just weird that even the art teachers who fancy them as so are still struggling with teaching art

>>4921524
maybe you’re just struggling with learning, seeing as how a shitload of people manages to learn from them

>>4921533
the key is always to find different resources that work for you
perspective made easy barely ever made sense to me, but drawabox actually helped perspective with me

you can say "whats the issue they basically cover similar shit" and yeah they do, but its about how the information is presented and exercises are implemented that really make a difference

>>4920682
have you ever look at your old art or ideas and cringe?

>>4920235
You might be onto something anon

>>4920434
Your pretty on the money there anon. Its incredibly feminine thing to try and tear other people down because they pose a possible threat. Kind of like a gaggle of birds spreading rumors about the pretty girl that she's a slut. The vast amounts of petty feminine energy would also explain why so many artist are bad with managing themselves like a small business.

That's why you see all these tight cliques among the artist community because most of these mongrels treats every community like a highschool

>>4920406
I agree with you but we don't even have to consider Realpolitik in order to see why it's a bad idea for an established artist to give completely intentionally useless, in-actionable advice to budding artists.

Consider a few possibilities, where a Young Artist (YA) asks an Established Artist (EA), whom they look up to and seek to emulate artistically, for advice:

Possibility 1: EA gives YA vague, knowingly unhelpful advice. For whatever reason. YA maybe tries the advice or maybe doesn't. Regardless, YA perseveres for the next few years and eventually achieves success.

Now, from here eventually YA is going to realize a few things. They are going to realize EA, whom they looked up to, gave them useless advice which is obvious to any advanced artist, and YA would also know there are many small easy to write pointers EA could have told them which would have saved them possibly hundreds of hours of trial and error. It's very likely YA will be embittered towards EA and entirely possible they would tell people that artist is a scumbag, spread rumors, engage in cliquey games.

Possibility 2: EA simply spends 5 minutes writing an extremely low effort post and some words of encouragement. Fast forward a few years and YA is eternally in EA's debt and is constantly telling their peers, coworkers, fans to check out EA and EA is a great guy.

Possibility 3: EA doesn't say anything at all so at least they're not intentionally misleading YA and remains neutral.

It's just so fucking obvious which is the smarter move. Either dont say anything, or go out of your way to be helpful. Does this even count as Realpolitik? There's no advanced political/social calculation happening, it's so fucking obvious, you would have to be the biggest retard to tell upcoming artists useless advice. They'll figure out eventually you were lying to them.

>>4922269
I’m not even sure what advice you could give someone that they’d actually believe and follow to the point of detriment. The worst offender is probably bad infographics that give you “shortcuts” to construction, but even those will just encourage people to draw something easy they’re happy with. That in turn makes them keep drawing then inevitably they outgrow it. It’s impossible to not get better at art if you actually try. Anyone who doesn’t simply isn’t drawing. Real big brain move there “stopping” people who don’t even draw from getting better OP.

To be clear I don’t have a dog in the race, I don’t give a fuck if you help begs or not, but don’t delude yourself into thinking your bitterness makes a difference to anyone but you, you miserable self loathing virgin

>>4921931
yeeah but keeping that in mind i've learned some techniques that helped me improved
did that just never happen with other artists?

>>4922317
Its not usually a specific thing, more like a continuity of what I was doing before and I was doing it somewhat differently now.

The person who generally ask me for "advise" are not my peers, I couldn't describe what I was doing well enough that they can just understand it without doing it, but I couldn't give them assignments and make them do specific practices, I can merely suggest it.

>>4922317
I once went into extensive details on how to achieve a specific motifs in terms of a color illustration I posted, because someone asked, however, they were not able to understand it, because they probably did not possess the vocabulary with regard to the color theory I was describing. To get someone to really understand what I was doing, it might require them to have some sort of educations, but I really don't have time to provide them with that.I can link them with some relevant articles, but I can't make them read it.

>>4920005

> Michelangelo did it in a week with no sleep

Not sure if srs?

>>4922313
>I’m not even sure what advice you could give someone that they’d actually believe and follow to the point of detriment
"I just copied artists I liked and that's how I developed my current style" is an easy example to point to. It's an extremely loaded, bogus statement and totally misrepresents everything involved in developing one's art skills to the point where they can successfully copy someone else's style. This statement and ones like it lead many /beg/s to wasting hundreds of hours

>>4922386
100% serious

>>4922313
>Discussion about realpolitick as it relates to relationships with other artists
>"I don't care but also you're a bitter angry virgin"
Can you make a single post without hyper feminine hysterics? We're trying to have a measured discussion

>>4922386
that’s nothing, frazetta did it in one night, just study bridgman bro

>>4922711
Fuck Bridgman it took him 3 weeks to go pro that fucking wack. His work on fortnite is basically what destroyed the game

>>4922313
>but don’t delude yourself into thinking your bitterness makes a difference to anyone but you, you miserable self loathing virgin
Can't have a conversation without venomous insults being hurled over nothing. The only who's bitter here is (You).

>>4917607
Crushing people with how much they need to learn is the best way to weed out the weak.
I gave a dude the marshall vandruff videos on perspective, telling him they were the easiest and most comprehensive start on perspective. It destroyed him as an artist. When people realize how deep and endless art learning is, many give up hope and fall into despair. Especially when they can't even grasp the basics.
You don't need to sabotage people, you just need to show them the effort they'll need to put and, and most will throw up their hands and say "FUCK THIS"

>>4923078
that's just fucked up dude
you're intentionally just fucking with people
"weed out the weak"
what is this bullshit. you. sound like a sociopath over something so danty as art

>>4923510
t. weak afraid of being weeded out
Your free ride is over