/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4928702
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

ref1

ref2

thoughts?

>>4928706
based arnie

Hit me

>>4928712
gridpilled

ref3

>>4928716
sticker eyes

ref4

>>4928716
not bad, I guess you could try something more challenging

I have never gotten into art.
I'm interested in either starting with urban sketching or soft pastels, which one is better for an absolute beginner?

>>4928756
am i feeling the form yet?

>>4928712
Grids will only hurt you in the long run, learn construction.

>>4928706
/beg/s can absolutely provide useful criticism and advice to other /beg/s. Sometimes just having a second set of eyes is enough. All that's gonna do is kill the already sparse number of replies people get and make them less motivated to post work here. Actually that might be a good thing, then they would actually go draw instead of posting on ic.

If it says "(You)", you're NGMI? Huh?!

>>4928750
what are you trying to draw, building and such?

Trying to control my values better. I don't think I did a good job on that.

>>4928773

nobody ever replies to me in /alt/, so back to /beg/ it is I guess
any glaring issues y'all notice?

>>4928761
apply basic solids and perspective to your gesture to find out!

>>4928777
Doesn't mean yur beg, dude. Jesus!

>>4928769
I have no personal preference, or anything I'd like to do specifically. I just felt empty and decided I will start some art to feed my soul and keep my life varied, as it is something I never tried.
I searched art styles saw both and I liked the way they look, I guess I can do landscapes in both which is what interests me most.
I would like to eventually make paintings of my orchids, since I have some pretty exotic ones and I'd like to capture their beauty.

>>4928764
Thank you, it was my first time using grid. This was without one, still will study construction

Something to fix here before I try to color this and ruin everything?

>>4928775
dios mio

>>4928777
glaring issues not really, maybe the front shoulder is misplaced and the line weight of the skull and pole makes it look strange compare to your character

>>4928773
stop with the pube beards.

>>4928788
hmm, this tread is many focus on figure drawing so getting feedback might be hard. But I do suggest you look at Thomas Wang pencil sketching book to get you started, you can find the book on libgen.

>draw something as practice
>its sort of decent or so it appears at the time
>get too excited about it and have to waste some time to calm down and be able to draw again
>it wasnt that good in the first place
Help

Am I /beg?

>>4928799
You need to work on line weight. Your lines are very thick so when colored it will look like a coloring book.

>>4928814
Cute! Left eye is too big but still impressive you got all that detail on a curved and uneven surface.

>>4928847
>1.13 MB, 1920x2512
Imagine not even being able to take a fucking screencap competently.

>>4928852
I was thinking of changing the color of the lineart tho, to match the colors you know. Like on the trees it's gonna be a dark green or something like that

>>4928884
?

>>4928891

>>4928891
you didn't cater to phonescum, big uh oh

Tried some nostalgic cartoon characters and it felt good to just "finish" some simple characters.

Still getting used to a tablet and bad at drawing in general. Far from great, but compared to a lot of my other recent drawings I was a bit surprised even though they are obviously simple.

Think I should spend some more time practicing with western cartoons.

trying to apply what I've learned

>>4928905
>>4928904
Oh yea.. sub 1k version

>>4928904
I'm posting from my desktop. I'm pointing out that the retard just zoomed in on his phone and took a screengrab, not even considering that he just blew up a tiny drawing to a massive wall-paper sized image. It disgusts me.

>>4928919
>trying to apply what I've learned
>3.08 MB, 4032x3024

>>4928924
when did /beg/ become jews about file size?

>>4928928
More like when did it ever stop?
Using appropriate file sizes is helping us help you. By the way you STILL fucked it up. Learn to fucking crop, god DAMN. All you have to fucking do is select the area and click the "crop" button. It's not hard. Resizing is even fucking easier. Here, because you apparently can't figure this out for yourself, I did it for you.
By the way, how should anyone expect someone who can't even resize an image right to take in any critique?

>>4928946
Been here 3 months and I've never seen anybody bitch in a beg thread about file size
Are you a woman?

>>4928967
All that tells me is that this place has sunk quite low.
Not a woman, just a grouch. Why would a woman pay any attention to this shit?

>>4928967
Yeah we get it, the internet is your whole personality, still you're clearly a fucking idiot with no common sense, as expected of an anime fan really, resize your fucking image, and don't be idiotic >>4928928

>>4928971
Holy fuck does it make you seethe that much that my shitty drawing is not resized?

>>4928984
More to do with newfags who blatantly ignore an earnest request in the OP (which shows that they have absolutely no interest in following advice given) then getting upset when someone points out that they should have done as requested and simply done something that takes maybe 5 seconds. And look at that, because you ignored that simple guildeline of resizing images to a reasonable size, the topic has been derailed! Good job, retard.

Anyway there's not much to say about your drawing. It's a copy of a VN CG.
I'd recommend not using Takeuchi's art (at least not his earlier work) as a studying tool. Why? Because it's generally quite flat. He's good at striking design, but makes little use of perspective and his anatomy is pretty much all symbols. Generally a poor learning tool for anything other than character design. Your line work is pretty weak but that comes with practice, so keep it up.

where can i learn to draw a man holding a gun like and assault rifle and shotgun

do any teachers go over smart ways to work out poses besides taking the dollpill?
pretty much just shotgunning things onto the page and hoping for the best atm.

>>4928922
I took picture of my drawing. Sorry I forgot to resize it. Jeez

>>4929035
Follow the reply chain, that post wasn't referring to you, it was referring to the guy who just screencapped a Bleach panel.

>>4929047
I know, I didn't Screencap a bleach panel.

>>4929090
Does it look that good?

>>4929090
>>4929093
You zoomed in on a low-res Bleach scan. Unless you're saying saying you traced an upscaled Bleach panel, pixels, blur, scanmarks in the blacks and all?

>>4928702
Disgusting

>>4928777
>pops eyeball out of the socket and tucks it into his helmet to see around his bangs
extremely metal.

>>4928905
soul

This is my work am I /beg/?

>>4929119
low int

>>4928712
thats cool jojochad but you won't learn anything by copying

>>4929020

Yes, they reference from life or photos.

>>4929115
Well trying to copy soul at least.

These are from Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, Hey Arnold, Dexter's Laboratory, Rocket Power, Rocko's Modern Life, Doug, Rugrats, and Courage the Cowardly Dog.

I just have a bad habit of trying things way out of my skill level and leaving them incomplete. Some of these could have used more work, but seem recognizable enough if you know the characters and have some simple color at least.

>>4929156
>living doll or unposeable doll
t-thanks i guess

>>4929175
Why are you obsessed with toys? If you want to blow cash on technicolor garbage, adios yourself to /toy/

>>4929119
Colors are muddy and shadows are flat. Please watch Sinix's videos on painting and portraiture.

I think I'm going to commit freakn' suicide

I'll never amount to anything.

>>4929178
well, i'm not and i don't want to, hence the question.

>look through references to find an exact pose to copy
not an amazing or fun option, but probably not what you meant anyway
>look through references to find a rough idea for a pose and then modify it
modifying would be the exact same "design" problem i'm facing anyway.
it's a topic i don't remember seeing in anything, and was curious if there were a smarter method out there than brute force

>>4929186
That's a John Singer Sargent painting, stop falling for obvious trolls.

How do i get smooth lineart? Everything looks like I've got a degenerative disease

>>4929211
Awesome, keep telling yourself that faggot.
Or have some confidence for once and work hard.

>>4929211
At least you are self aware enough to realize that.

>>4929232
Why would have confidence in that garbage?

>>4929211

Keep it up anon

>>4929235
When I was 10 I drew the same kind of stuff and I felt confident doing it. There's nothing wrong with being confident and believing that you'll get better with hard work.

>>4928764
>>4929149

Bad advice

2 years of art school, the 4 years of not drawing. I wasnt much better when I was in art school. I find it hard to draw because I feel so stupid over how bad my art is.

>>4929249
>2 years of art school
NIGGA WHAT
YOU DREW THAT SHIT WITH 2 YEARS OF ART SCHOOL?!?!?!?
ART SCHOOL IS A FUCKING SHAM

Anytips on how to shade hair digitally? I just used the charcoal brush and then the clay eraser but it still looks like shit.

>>4929249

>>4929269
I'm going to dump some sketchbook stuff from when I was in art school.

>>4929296

>>4929298

>>4929299

>>4929302
This is depressing. How did you get accepted into art school but then Hitler didn't?

>>4929302

>>4929298
>>4929299
Although you're shit at drawing humans your architecture is pretty good

>>4929313
Because I have money.

>>4929314
What does your portfolio look like

>>4929316
Anything more advanced than a square is too advanced for me.

>>4929318
I didnt present one. This school wasnt super selective as you can imagine.

>>4929317
>jewish tricks
sounds about right

Practicing completing linework. Focusing on basic anatomy, line weight, shading. What are of focus would help most?

>>4929326

>>4928702
Im ngmi

>try to draw myself again
>i draw what i see but others say it might as well be someone else
>yet my portraits of others are similar enough
?

>>4928710
>>4928711

>>4928702
so ive been doing pen and charcoal for about 2ish years.. i bought a tablet in 2016 and am starting to pick it up again because I think I can grasp figures pretty well at this point? But not sure where to start with shading and color.. trying as many tutorials as i can

How do I know which side is the right one? I feel stupid or maybe im overthinking

>>4929338
No, anon, you're learning. Don't be so hard on yourself. You're creating a foundation for your art, which is more than a lot of people can say. Good luck and keep up the good work, you already have a decent handle on perspective. It's just a matter of practice.

>>4929432
decide what corner is closest to the viewer when you're starting the box, it'll be the one touching the 3 visible sides.
3 of your check lines will start from that corner, run along the edge of the box, and go towards the horizon.

>>4929211
Why is it red?

>>4929220
Either you're retarded or this is a double troll and I'm retarded.

>>4929356
naisu anon!

>>4929211
yeh you will, you're just an adhd sketchfag
the purest of artists not afraid to hide behind render fagging
keep it up dude but start drawing with pen

I haven't been here in two months, is the schizo akechifag still here?

>>4929313
The skill level has gone down and Hitler's art was incredibly boring and unimaginative.

>>4929552
no

>>4929552
Yes, why? now could you please check the last thread and give me some feedback

>>4929483
I just googled image, we're all retarded I guess.

I drew a goose for /tg/

/beg/ please help

I've tried reference sketching, blocking values, anatomy studies, I've drawn more Loomis heads than I can count but I don't retain anything. Or, well, that's not accurate. I could draw that exact same image a little bit better the next time, but my brain doesn't compute how to manipulate these shapes to make anything else.

I can't stop symbol drawing, how the fuck do you draw an eye with lineart without USING FUCKING LINES

I want to practice, I want to try but I just never see any progress. Sorry to be a faggot I'm just ngmi

>>4929662
Pyw or your Loomis heads so I can have a point of reference to give you some advice.

How do I highlight my minimalistic hair bros

>>4929673
Simple square/rectangular highlight in the right location will do the job.

Who is better for learning anatomy, Scott Eaton or Proko?

>>4929610
This is a really cool concept. I think you could get away with obfuscating the avian inspiration a bit, but otherwise this is solid creature design.

>>4928814
cute

>>4929321
then draw humans as using boxes first before trying spheres

>>4929708
Just started proko this nigga is annoying as fuck. It’s practically retard tier teaching but that makes it easy to learn I suppose. There’s a cheesy animated skeleton with eyes and lame ass jokes but the course is good for learning regardless of the bullshit. Can’t speak for Eaton

>>4929718
Idk why you erased the ear but it looks better defined.

>>4929332
Figure drawing.

how important is the position you draw in? is it better to have the canvas in a vertical position for a fuller range of movement in the elbow or am i making excuses for being shit

how important is the position you draw in? is it better to have the canvas in a vertical position for a fuller range of movement in the elbow or am i making excuses for being shit

Bros how did I do?

>>4929765
The soft blurry shadows and highlights make her look like a balloon. If you're drawing anime look up how others who draw better than you colour things. It's not like that.

>>4929759
I just make my canvas huge. Also my screen is landscape, so I draw landscape.


>>4929215
>Exact pose

I never wasted time finding a ref with the "exact pose" I wanted. Waste. of. time. Draw anything and everything from what you find that website with photo models. Then you understand the human body enough to draw what ever fucking pose you want.


>Smarter way
Smart way to draw from your imagination is to understand how the body bends and folds at each joint, then apply it from paper. You aren't learning by memorising exact poses. If it's all boring to you, quit.

>>4929777
Welp I guess I have to make hair look like hair first

>>4929787
Great start. Though to be honest the way the hair is drawn it's like it's designed for animation. I.e virtually flat, no shading. If someone tried to colour that for you they wouldn't know where to put what shadow not shade yet. It's also very balloony. I think with how it is, for a finished piece you will be better off leaving it cell shaded or adjust it as you will confuse yourself. You probably sweated over that lineart but if that's as good as it gets, then so be it.

>>4929789
*What shadow or shade where

I think critiquing /beg/ artists gets hard where they try to draw cellshade style cartoon people, and then try to paint it for hours like Michaelangelo. It just doesn't work.

Anyway all I'm saying is you can polish that up for hours and you will look back on it a month snd later and think why it went wrong.

>>4929787
Nah.
Two things. You seem to have a top soft light and a strong light coming from the left.
Anon was right in saying look up references, because your highlights don't match the hair's geometry.
It being cartoony is no big deal. The face and clothes look mostly right, even if you'd want a more blocky shading for a drawing like that.

/beg/inner btw.
In short, get more reference material from good artists.

How to find spine, rib cage and pelvis?
Hard to see in referenced pic.

>>4929817
>>4929796
Thanks a lot guys

>>4929227
Just do one continous stroke

>>4929227
you're trying to get it all in one go

when artists line sketches, usually they break up the lines into segments and then connect them, erasing the overlap and smoothly connecting them together

or they use the vector tool

when i don't do that my lines look like i have a degenerative disease too

>>4929356
push your values, particularly the lights

also take notice of the shapes that the values take. marco bucci has an awesome video about shape design

i'd recommend you use harder brushes, which means a brush with a bold edge, one that doesn't blend in with whatever's behind it. it forces you to think more carefully about the shapes you're using, which defines the planes that the image has, which is more convincingly 3D

https://youtu.be/-ZknWKTpc90

I hate it my lineart is more soulless than my sketch lines

>>4929880
>>4929356
actually, it's too bright, so use darker greys and use your lights sparingly

redline: not perfect by any means but it sort of illustrates my point

looking at the arm, particularly the hand, there's a patch on the top of it that should be brighter than the skin around it, and it should also have a pretty defined shape

hopefully you see what i mean here

I tried drawing fish but I got lazy and I don't know if it's any good.

which is better? the bright colored ones does not exist anymore. how should I further adjust the color?

>>4929786
i'm not sure why this is unclear. the question isn't about drawing the pose i want, it's about figuring out what pose i want to draw, it's a design question.

>>4928702
anybody else ever have a hard time figuring out were to add detail in a picture?(yeah i know the hands look funky its still a WIP)

Super /beg/ reporting. These are the exercises I did from Keys to Drawing chapter 1, some came out way better than I expected, others not that much.

>>4930131
awesome start anon, now keep practicing drawing every day now for maximum gains

>>4930134
Thanks anon, I'll.

>>4929249
Hoo boy.
You could probably get better immediately by just grinding out some copies of artists you like.

>>4930137
just don't worry about the results of your exercises, or if you seem to be plateauing or even doing worse. you're always getting better, it just doesn't always seem that way because you learn to be better at criticizing your own work.

>>4928711

>>4930161
I've failed again but this one was fun

>>4930161
first you got to resized your picture, makes it easier for people to look at. Good job on getting most of the drawing correct you just need to work on the shape of the facial features to get the likeness down. Look at the left eye it is bigger then the right. The bridge of the nose should be shorter. The neck is longer that the ref. Pay attention to those little things and you'll get better.

>>4930194
Thanks for the feedback!
I already resized the image but I presume it wasnt enough, apologies. I actually forgot the size limit this time, again my bad.
I noticed the eye after it was drawn but I seem to have an issue with getting the exact size of the features, my measuring is lackluster so thanks for pointing that out, the values here, I didn't really bother I can't seem to get started with that topic.
I think it's better than this one, done days ago, right? Well it's seems they are around the same level really, how to improve? am I doing so?

>>4930207
>>4930194
It seems I've done it again with the size, after these two I'll do so correctly

>>4930207
this is an estimate of facial feature measurement. The best way to get better at eyeing it is to just draw a lot of portraits using reference

>>4930243
Bottom left has too many eyes try again

>>4930243
She has downs anon redraw it again!

>>4929344
What others? If they're from strangers you're not used to their face, so small off sets are likely to be dismissed. The more familiar you are with someone the more you can tell the differences

>>4929356
Your features are too symbolic, especially the eyes. You shouldn't have lines if you're planning to do rendered stuff, like someone said before, think of light and shadow shapes. Also the white of the eyes is too bright

>>4929432
Extend the lines in the direction where they eventually meet

>>4929854
I believe it's like this. Boxes are better to show perspective

>>4929854
the pelvis should be tilted forward toward us. you can see her hip in the photo the leg and hip make a right angle . then the hip isnt so far from the ribs

>>4929736
Don't know how to draw them so I normally, erase

WHY DOES THIS LOOK SO BEG I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IM DOING WRONG

>>4930243

>>4930327
Perspective on the hair and facial features doesn't match up. Shading on right side isn't consistent with left. Right eye is angled down too much compared to left. Hair goes behind right shoulder but is expected to come over left side given perspective.
You have some efficient lines and nice, simple highlight shapes. Overall it looks symbol drawn but with some knowledge of the curvature of the face. Sorry I can't redline it atm without a tablet.
I would do some studies of a skull at the same angle, simplifying the planes of the face as much as possible (think asaro head, look up some YT tuts) and then redrawing so you can apply what you've learnt. Don't be discouraged, it's a good thing to notice you're not as good as you want to be yet, accept we have to produce a lot of subpar crap before we make it.

Am a beg and this is a character design I'm working on. It's like the first 'piece' I've set out to complete so I'm still trying to get a feel for my process. Tell me what y'all think I guess

>>4930413
imma be real bro it seems like you copied muffet

>>4930327
learn how to facial structure.

>>4930243
this has to be the most retarded shit i've seen here

Anyone mind posting some good skulls to draw for photo reference

>>4930416
I've been trying to maker her different too :((

Perhaps the color palette and outfit will help?

>>4930444
mhmm try it but i doubt it, at her core shes just muffet, unless the outfit is crazy. Brainstorm some more sketches, i think its just mainly her face im not sure, look up more spider characters like elise for example and try mix it up

Some design research

>>4928702
how do i make krita files lighter? I just did some shit and its like 10 mb!

how can I get cleaner lines? I can't use my shoulder due to the pen, also: is there any problem in the anatomy of these drawings?

Hi channers, how's dis for cockstruction?

>>4930423
retard

>>4930653
loomis

>>4930601
>I can't use my shoulder due to the pen,

What do you mean due to the pen?

If you have a tiny babby tablet it will just plain be harder.

I recommend trying some gesture drawings - they will be messy and shit but as you go you start to get better at identifying good, dynamic lines of action and it can help avoid the usual hesitant petting of lines that's common when you start out. It also helps you start making more confident strokes, which is challenging when you're uncertain of your hand-eye coordination.

Also if you can't use your shoulder at least try to use your elbow. Drawing with the wrist is only really useful for details.

Im trying to move on from drawing into painting and this shit is mad hard.

>>4930749
>If you have a tiny babby tablet it will just plain be harder.
that is the thing, anyway thank you, I'll start practicing now.

>>4928799
The precisely vertical (parallel to picture plane) lines make the composition boring. To take it to the next level it needs to feel more realistic - look at photographs and you'll see the verticals are almost never parallel to the picture plane, they should be slightly diagonal. Also consider the amount of detail you want to put into the background when you colour it. The character is the focal point so you want her to pop more (ex make her more detailed) than the rest of the image.

>>4928905
Turn "smoothing" of your brush up to ~25% in photoshop/krita/whatever and it will help you get better line flow.

>>4929020
I'm at this stage too where I need to realize I just need to draw a fuqtonne from reference before attempting to draw from imagination. Do more reference drawing first.

>>4929211
It's funny you can tell that you've drawn the boobs with form but the faces have no volume. your art = your priorities.

>>4929227
Turn brush "smoothing" up to 25% and it'll help you get the juicy brush strokes you want.

Is it burnout when thinking about drawing makes you physically ill? I've been drawing every day for hours for the past few weeks now

>>4930601
learn proportions. The guy on the left has no hips.

Really liked how the clothes and the faces turned out,not sure about the hair,seems to lack something but I don't know what,I intend to do a background but before that I want to know what is making this painting feel "off"

>>4930898
Yes, it clearly is.

And I forgot the fucking image

>>4930898
Just take a break.
Your brain still processes stuff when you're not drawing. It's useful to have days when you don't draw anything.

>>4930912
Is that 3-gatsu?

>>4930915
Yeah, read the last chapter and had to draw it

>>4930131
Pretty good anon! Always remember no matter how complex something looks, it can be broken down into simple forms

>>4930131
I really like how the second sewing machine came out, good work

>>4928702
I tried, senpai

Is Framed perspective a /beg/ or should I wait?

>>4931085
tool, /beg/ tool

>>4931061
そごおい

>>4929931
The fish are too evenly spaced apart and never overlap or cluster. Normally fish swim in the same direction as a school? It'd definitely help to look at a bunch of reference first to get an idea of how you want the composition to look. Also the focal point is pretty weak. I think it's the biggest fish in the middle-right area, but it's not really interesting as a composition. I mean I get the idea that it's supposed to look like you're looking up from underwater, which would be cool, but the effect of the way you have the fish just speckled all over just makes it look a little too much like static on an old tv screen.

>>4930013
To be honest they both suck. Wtf are you trying to illustrate? A sidewalk with trees and body parts and a mouth sky with floating tits? The shapes and values are so blurry and it's really poorly drawn. If you want to start over, try re-drawing it in like 3 values to define the light, halftones, and shadows. Think about the 3D form of each body part and the gesture of the shapes. Don't even work on colour yet, there's too many underlying problems before adding colour to the mix.

>>4930096
The eyes are not set in the face and the nose does not protrude out. Work on applying the asaro head to get the form.

>>4931121
aight thanks bro

>>4930912
wtf is happening with the scarf having fingers and the hand being fucked up? There's potential here but you need to see that your proportions and details don't get messed up. Remember to start the drawing with gesture and form before you render it or it will look like this.

hey /beg/, I've been following page 19 of Fun with a Pencil and this is my progress so far. I'm not particularly sure what I'm supposed to practice in this page, so I decided to just draw whatever was on the page. outside of the really bad linework, is there anything I should work on?

>>4931061
These are great! Now add gesture

>>4931137
Don't take Fun with a Pencil too seriously. Skim it but move on, the drawing exercises in it are boring af and meant for like school kids in the 1950s. Draw something you're interested in instead (unless you really like drawing caricatures of old white men?), by first drawing the 3D shape then adding details on top.

>>4930800
This is good but pick your colour palette separate from your reference photo. The focal point in your picture is supposed to be the cat's face, but the light blue of the window makes it stick out and it competes with the cat's face for visual attention. Otherwise your form, gesture, and values are looking pretty decent.

>>4931143
thanks for the input, anon!

>>4931135
I didn't work on the hand at all,just using to fill space as a silhouette,the scarf is from reference, in my opinion it should be longer but i'm not sure if I follow the ref or not, besides that I think the proportions are fine

>>4931138
You mean this sort of thing?

>>4931186
>in my opinion it should be longer but i'm not sure if I follow the ref or not
Always go with what looks right in your eyes.
Real life can be ugly and weird looking sometimes. It is the artist's job to translate the reference into something that is appealing and makes sense to the viewer.

>>4928946
Shut the fuck up dude

>>4931270
not op but im new here, whats wrong with posting large files?

Is Loomis or whatever a good starting point like some people say?

I'm okay with starting out with whatever that can help. I used to be really good at drawing real life figures but I haven't had a proper class for it

>>4931286
Go to art school if you’re serious about getting help man don’t take advice from people who spend any iota of time to write out a paragraph long rant about fking file sizes

>>4931286
It just makes it easier to look at. When it is a larger file you would have to scroll up and down to look at the whole drawing, resizing makes it fit on one screen.

>>4931186
Can't believe I got spoiled in an /ic/ thread.
At least it's the good kind.

>>4931292
yeah, go to art school like this guy >>4929249

>>4929289
Polygonal lasso tool + crt alt G

Mfw

>>4931302
Don’t go then

>>4930141
>>4930982
thanks for the advice

Why painting is so much harder than drawing for me? what kind of brain damage do I have?

Once I finish the boxes, besides the obvious when the lines are clearly wrong, what am I supposed to get out of this?

>>4931349
Maybe you’re colour blind and don’t realize it.

>>4931335
I've tried and failed that same reference

>>4931355
is it because of the way the face is turned?

>>4931295
Sorry, didn't even thought of that

How is this skull? I made it using multiple references because i wanted this specific angle with a broken jaw. Id like to know if its good or theres something that should be fixed.

>>4931350
command of the Third Dimension

>>4931294
scroll up and down? do people seriously not use 4chanx?

>>4931433
4chanx have a resize function? or your talking about image hovering?

Just finished this

>>4931503
Very impressive.

>>4931503
Fuck forgot pic

>>4931503
blog?

>>4931507
Not yet might do a DA account

>>4931186
Ok so I tried re-drawing your art to figure out the problems. It looks like you drew from the comic but you changed the perspective and it messed you up. The original drawing's POV is from behind the dude and his face overlaps/obscures the view of the girl, but you changed it because you wanted to show the girl's face. This was a nice idea and I think you did good on her face, but it messed up the perspective since we're looking at the back of his head while seeing the side of her face. It doesn't work if they're both supposed to be facing each other. To fix this I tried finding a new reference picture of people kissing where the camera is still kind of behind the guy but shows enough of the side profile of each of the characters so you can actually see their faces for the kiss. I downplayed the weird tentacle-looking scarf because it was really distracting in your drawing, and I tried understanding how the original image draws the guy's hand to fix it a bit. I think maybe you ended up rendering your drawing before having a solid foundation, and it made things a little ugly, like a polished turd. I mean the rendering is really not bad though. I'd also say focus on consistent lighting, since the dude's sleeve is like glowing with light but her red scarf is more dull. Idk anyway hope that helps.

>>4928702
Super B E G here. Began sketching/drawing all kinds of faggotry in the end of 2019

>>4931521
You are drawing those pecs like araki does it right? It's not easy to do, your left pec looks like a brick

>>4931190
Yea. Like you can take turns focusing on 3D form/construction and turns only focusing on gesture, then combine them. Usually I find it's easier to do gesture drawings, then add the form, but I think we're supposed to figure out how to do both together as the end goal.

>>4931291
Yea go watch proko videos on loomis and stuff then practice the concepts if you wanna get ahead at figure drawing/portraits.

>>4931528
mans left or camera left?

>>4931349
Painting takes a lot more practice and planning than drawing. It's better to learn to draw and construct first before trying to learn how to colour mix and paint. I mean you can start painting more if you want to get better at aspects of painting, but also do the drawing and fundamentals learning first.

>>4928718

Currently doing gesture with a loose grip like in keys to drawing, it helps me in keeping the form but I should change it for a better way, which one should I study?

>>4931521
Your lines look too mechanical. Find artists that have better line gesture and trace them to see how they use line. Your drawings should have a mix of C curves, S curves, and straights and right now it looks like only C curves and straights for the majority of your drawing. It looks too stiff.

Hello. Most of my art is rather cartoony as that's how I started drawing. I never learned to draw in the traditional sense (starting with drawing realistic people then working down into a stylized art style) and its heavily affecting my proportions. I want to improve my art and I'd like to know if I should simply try to just better my proportions in my current style or start from scratch and begin focusing on drawing more realistic humans and work my way back. Here is some of my stuff for reference.

>>4931530
Will do. Thanks

>>4928773
That looks pretty damn good. I think you nailed the shading on the far side of his jaw. You might be able to push the values a little bit more in the future, but what you have is excellent already.

>>4928711
Thoughts? It's been a while since I've touched photoshop.

>>4928711
Just got procreate

>>4931704
So you just played with the photoshop filters like this?

>>4931516
Thanks that really helps, will prob change the boy's face perspective, not sure if I'll need to redraw his whole body, for this painting I tried to start without a "pencil" sketch, jumping directly to the colored thumbnail, and I kinda have no idea what to do with the light sources, I know I want cyan for the moonlight/river that will be behind them, and a yellowish light source from streetlights coming from the upper-right; So what I feel needs to change is the boy's face perspective ,his hair rendering seems a bit off, paint the hand, fix his scarf's rendering(doesn't read as cloth to me) and figure out the light sources , things I probably wont change are the back of his coat, her face, her hair and scarf

I tried the vase/face. Did I do it right?

>>4931567
Pretty accurate except his right leg. Good job anon.

>>4931349
In the past, painters worked first in a grayscale called 'grisaille'... you may not have found the correct medium... some people can't stand solvents or they don't use enough oil to really blend colours...

>>4931730
No, he also played a little with the brightness of the picture to fuck the values up to make it more "believable".

how do i learn values? and lighting/color in general

this was made greyscale -> color

how do i learn values? and lighting/color in general

this was made greyscale --> color

>>4931749
Great. So you don't leave with just squiggles on the paper, draw the eyes, lips and nostrils in.

>>4931997
GET OUT GET OUTGET OUT GET OUT GET OUT

>>4931997
LEAVE BEG IMMEDIANTLY GOOOOOO

help me understand what the point is in doing gesture drawings like pic related? i specifically mean the river-like flow to the lines

it looks pretty, but how is that going to influence anything in the construction and rendering you do over the gesture?

>>4932340
I think it helps you understand the flow of the pose.

I really dont get gesture, should I really do it before construction, because if so my lines are way too dark

>>4932340
Its to help you with weight distribution, finding the balance point, and conveying action. Cartoonists take the line of action and they exaggerate it to make extreme poses. It doesn't have anything to do with rendering and its got little to do with construction.

>>4932340
It's blocking out direction and mass.

What's a good resource for drawing and stylising hair? I just can't do it at all.

>>4929338
Did another little excercise. How much more practice and training should I do before trying to draw a picture? I used to be an artist but quit. I know I'm NGMI. But maybe one day I could copy porno poses and put anime girl faces on them.

hows it looking boys

>>4931506
I forgot to ask if it's any good.

>try to go back to keys to drawing chapter 1
>somehow i got worse at those exercises

>>4930327
pay more attention on putting a face together anon. The eyes are not on the same level, she has no cheekbone, her mouth is swollen and her cranium is huge and squarelike.

Keep practicing and try to take things slower and plan your drawings more carefully.

>>4932568
>>4930327

Man, instead of opening up Loomis or some other instructional material I just end up doing ADHD sketching warmup forever. I think it might be because I still haven't gotten over my fear of actually learning how to draw, and the fear of failure. Or I could have undiagnosed ADHD, too.

What's the correct way to do a gesture drawing?

I don't think I'm compatible with Keys to Drawing, do I really need it? is there an alternate way that's not Right Side of the Brain? What should I do?

>>4932604
Gesturally

>>4931422
how?

>>4932448
Bic3ps and forearms look like balloons and the shoulders are too high (look as if he's shrugging.)

>>4932604
skip it altogether because it's bullshit pseudoscience

>>4931731
I think drawing in colour to start with is where you went wrong. When you start like that you force yourself to think about too many things at once (composition, colour, form, gesture, value, texture, etc). You would make it easier on yourself to work sequentially, first by figuring out the composition, gesture, and form through sketching first, and then adding value, local colour, texture, and lighting. DESU if I were you I'd try restarting from the beginning to maximize and figure out your lines the best way possible. When you get to the colour, use a palette of colours that already look good together. Sometimes I'll take colours directly from a photograph or painting I like. Anyway idk just have fun. I hope that helps.

>>4932604
>What's the correct way to do a gesture drawing?

Mattesi's Force Drawing.

How is this?

>>4932639
?

Got an issue with construction, I cant place the side cut and end up having to modify things a lot, what do?
The jaw will be fine but the ear needs to be extended and that sort of thing

>>4932732
What are you talking about?

>>4932604
Read Vilppu or Hampton, these two explain it the best.

I need to work on drawing from reference
I completely changed which angle the person's facing, so I had to improvise the hands and arms, which look bad

>>4932142
>>4932176
NEVER

>>4932732
>focus on overall composition and proportion before dialing in the details
>psuedoscience
what did he mean by this?

>>4933019
#JustCrabThings

I have no clue what I'm doing

Should I have a good grasp on perspective / 3D shapes before I even bother with something like gesture or is it more sensible to just kinda learn both at the same time?

For example I was reading Hampton "Design and Invention" and thought it was interesting and easy to follow, but I wasn't sure how well I was supposed to be able to "draw along". I felt I could draw the spinal curves and whatnot but they often ended up in identical perspective and stuff like blocks meant to simulate shapes like the hip area didn't come out right at all.
... I am really tired of drawing basic shapes and perspective and I don't feel like I'm improving at them either. I want to be able to draw people at least, however bad, so I wanted to at least take a peak into gesture for once. I feel some sort of decision paralysis and have reverted to copying art for now.

redid 114 fuck it

>>4933056
just start gesture bro and youll soon know if you need perspective, but no id say you dont need perspective for gesture, its all about the feel and flow of the body

Newest version >>4933096

>>4933087
Alright thanks, I guess I'll take the permission to delve back into it. Let's see how it goes. I can always go back a step if it doesn't work out after all.

>>4931593
S curves? Ok time to do some research on that shit

>>4933187
not him but I think he means this. Michael Hampton "Design and Invention"

Books aside, any youtube channels you guys would recommend

>>4931119
started over.

better?

>>4934373

ment for

>>4934372