/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>Vilppu is out of print

>>4927298
Two years ago:
>have a distinct artstyle
>draw every day
>willing to learn
>full of ideas
>enjoy viewing other's art
>have finished pieces
Now:
>lost my style from dabbling into realism too much
>don't even know what kind of art I want to make
>no ideas
>would rather cut my fingers off than read an art-related book or watch a tutorial
>don't care about what others make, stopped going to Instagram, ArtStation etc.
>nothing but sketches, somehow still improved but feels like it was for nothing
>draw for 5-10 minutes - already bored and tired

I should just quit.

>>4927326
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYBnon8hzi4

I never learned to render.

>>4927334
Tl;dr? Both the cover and title card look like cheaply made MS word garbage, really doesn't reflect well on an artist.

>>4927298
It took me two years to find out about the blending tool on Procreate, I’m an absolute apex tier moron.

Honestly I’m not even mad because I’m happy to have found it, but it’s just really funny in a manic way

why don't modern tablets work in photoshop version 7?

I DON'T WANT TO "UPGRADE"

I wish people would stop having shit taste.

>>4927655
You don’t actually want that

>>4927646
as in the smudge finger?

>>4927667
Yep yep

>>4927326
Sounds like depression. Take care of yourself first and look inward.
Think of what you like and make art that you would like to have yourself. If you want your art to contain a message, then think of personal experiences and things that matter to you. Explore your fascinations and make stuff that you actually like making.

>>4927305
JUST

Working with municipalities is such a pain in the ass.
>want to make a mural in your city
>contact municipality
>hear back from them in 2 months
>be assigned to a "culture scout" so he can help you out
>have to e-mail back and forward for 6 months filling out forms and regulations
>eventually the scout stops responding
>3 months pass
>he calls me saying that he forgot to send me an email and it was in 'concept' mode for last 3 months
>have to get signatures from the neighborhood where the mural will be made
>have to lower your budget because they feel that "it's a bit too much"

Is it even worth trying to become a mural artist?

>>4927334
>>4927498
This video talks about the concept of "resistance". Didn't feel like it described what I'm experiencing right now.
>>4927686
I don't think I'm depressed. I used to be, years ago, and it felt much more terrible compared to now. Trying to get help actually made things worse, the pills I was prescribed did a number on my physical health and the therapists were either useless or outright verbally abusive.
I'd say I take good care of myself all things considered. I think my problem is art doesn't seem worth it anymore. It doesn't feel like my passion. I want to quit, but it's quitting the only flashy talent I have that can produce tangible results.
>Think of what you like and make art that you would like to have yourself
I don't really know what that is.
>Explore your fascinations
I don't really have any anymore
Sorry for all this rant. I just dread a life where all I have to do is drawdrawdraw. I guess I don't like it enough, and only persisted out of a fear of being no more than a normie wagecuck

So I learnt to draw, but I don't have the patience to sit around drawing for hours. So I've moved onto other things. What should I do with this useless skill I have acquired?

>>4927733
Not even crabbing, just quit and do music or some other creative pursuit. At the end of the day, if something is bringing more negativity into your life instead of joy, it's time to find something else.

>>4927733
Post your work right now and we'll tell you if you have a future in art, or if your'e wasting your time.

>>4927713
Once a friend of mine alternate between mural artist and house painting to make ends meet. In the end he just went full house painter since it pays a lot. I dunno

>>4927740
>I don't have the patience
I think that's the main problem.
Challenge yourself to draw faster; set a time limit, and once you reached it spend only another 5 minutes polishing it. Stop and play vidya. Next day, repeat the steps again on a new drawing

>>4927740
Do you like to draw? If yes just doodle now and then for fun.

>>4927758
Even professionals spend hours on a drawing, quality takes time. It was fun to learn, but I can't be fucked doing it professionally and spending all day on something.

>>4927761
Kinda, but I always feel like I've wasted the 2 hours instead of doing something more productive. Not like anybody is ever going to see my scribbles anyway.

>>4927298
Man I'm so sick of lockdown. I'd rather work and take my chances with covid.

>>4927767
2 hours on just doodling? wtf are you serious?

>>4927800
I like drawing naked women, it takes time to make it look good. But at 30 it's embarrassing to show that shit to other people, so I'm never going to make it and should just do something else with my life.

>>4927767
So do the "something more productive" you think you should be doing. Or just do it as a hobby and use some of the free time you have where you dont do somthing productive.

it's really disappointing when you put out your best effort and get the same result as your normal effort. or at least... i thought this one was better than most of my drawings but when it comes to social media feedback the response is the same. makes you feel like that extra effort isn't work it or like the liked you get on the regular are pity likes.

>>4927833
How old are you, seriously?

>>4927646
Lol same, it only took me like 4 months or so though instead of two years

>>4927815
So you don't think I should just drop the whole thing?

>>4927298
fucking chinky aids virus
I wanted to go an art sabbatical for a year
fucking chinks
fucking wagecucking
I just want to live stress free for one fucking year so I can focus on art, fucking shit cunts

>>4927847
why

>>4927864
You draw and sound like a 16 year old, in which case you got your whole life ahead of you bud, take it easy and take your time.

If I'm composing a song, I can imagine how it sounds in my head, and I know what sorts of emotions I want to convey, so I can move towards that. If I'm sculpting, I can picture what I want the end result to look like, and slowly make it a reality. If I'm writing, I can create a solid outline to act as guidance, and I know what sorts of concepts or emotions I want to convey to the reader.

When I try to draw, there's nothing. I don't know what I'm trying to create beyond "a drawing of the subject," and I have no idea what that would look like or what sort of process would actually allow me to achieve that goal. Every learning resource for drawing seems to assume I have the same intuitive understanding of it that I have for other creative pursuits, and it's just not there. I've never felt such a fundamental disconnect with any subject, and I don't know how to overcome it. How can I move forward when I can neither picture my goal nor construct a plan for how to move towards it?

I know I'll never be where i want to be
I am content with it
But i am also extremely sad because of it
I still draw alot and it makes me happy
But i know I'll never be a master or just in general a professional


I plan on killing myself one day because i don't want to work a dead end job
I am the worst person in my family and i know everyone will better off without me.
Sure they'll be sad but for only like a year
Ill be just a memory
Literally everyone in my life has a great life and i don't want to be a burden
that one failure
I rather people pretend i was a good person

>>4928143
If you can't come up with a subject for your work then go out and look for inspiration. What kind of works make you feel a certain way? There's no right answer to what to draw.

What's also good is to make work where you enjoy the process. There's no sense in making work that you dread making.

If you already got somewhat of an idea of what you want to make then go make some thumbnail sketches.

>>4928284
I assume that you compare yourself to other people a lot. Stop doing that.

Getting into art/illustration/animation business isn't as hard as people on this board make it seem.

Try to become better than what you were yesterday. If you still don't feel like you can become as good as you'd like to be then use other things to balance out the lack of technical skills. It is far more important to have a strong concept and sense of style than it is to have magnificent technical skills in these times.

Not entirely art related, but I'm just unhappy. I'm going to school for a trade that I have little passion for. I'd have liked to go to college if not for the tuition and my awful grades in high school. That, and I just didn't know what I wanted to do. I feel like the decision has been made for me, and now I'm stuck with it. I've never wanted to make it big doing something creative, but I expected more from myself than breaking my back for decent pay. I feel that I've wasted my opportunities at a job I really like and preserving my creative passions.

I've been drawing for 10 years and I'm still SO FUCKING DOGSHIT

I SHOULD KILL MYSELF I'M SO FUCKING DOGSHIT

>>4928589
Maybe you are drawing without putting effort to get better. Draw the same face/gesture/painting as many times you need to be satisfied and learn from the mistakes you made. If you struggle with time (like spending an 1 to make a sketch that could cost you 30 min) you should practice against the clock. You determine what you want to draw and in what time you want to finish it. Hope it helps my friend.

Why do most western anthologies groups care more about what race or sexual orientation i am instead of what i can offer as an artist/writer?

Am i the devil himself if i'm white?

>>4928672
Nowadays black people are more racist than the normal white

Is there something about art that attracts depressed/moody people? Maybe the idea of drawing waifus that attracts this crowd? I try to help people on here all the time, and I see this happen with other anons, but they say they're hopeless NGMIs and want to kill themselves.

Do musicians have people who try to learn how to play and then threaten suicide when they're not Buckethead in 2 weeks?

It's frustrating. But just know that you can do it and I believe in you anon!

>>4927298
Have you ever guys thought of creating a monopoly of good fanart on already existing character up to the point where people associate that character with your nickname?

>>4928658
Different anon here, started art a month and a half ago. Is there really a "conscious" effort to improve? How do I even know when I'm doing it? If i don't take time to draw as hard as I possibly can then it'll end up being dogshit.

>>4928735
My improvement sped up exponentially when I followed a course. Vilppu's course helped me the most, but any course that focuses on contruction will boost your skills tremendously (Hampton, Peter han, Bridgman for anatomy, etc)

>studied 2D really hard to get into a good art school
>accepted
>1st year is great, all 2D, perspective, anatomy, character design, the works
>2nd year onwards
>'hey you know all that cool 2D stuff you just learned? it's great but it's mostly useless if you don't want to be stuck in an endless competition with other 2D concept artists and potentially homeless and starving. Welcome to intro to 3D with autodesk maya
>2 years later, pretty good at 3D and have a good well-paying job
>don't remember how to draw and feel like a fucking fraud whenever I have to model someone else's concepts
>2D is still my passion and I feel like my current career is a cope

>>4927298
was gonna use the 120 dollar blue yeti i bought last year for animation, and then . . . the USB Port fell out. I literally only used this shit 3 TIMES !!
CAN'T EVEN RETURN IT

>>4928748
http://www.alexhays.com/loomis/

>>4928748
I'm jelly though. I want to learn 3D so bad and it's just so hard.

>last vent thread I posted my work and someone said "/beg/"
>post newest picture in /beg/
>first reply is 'not /beg/'
this board is driving me insane

>>4928835
there are some serious /beg/'s in the /beg/ thread who think they know what is or isn't /beg/.

>>4928840
judge for yourself, this is what I posted that got that reply

>>4927767
You’ve only wasted 2 hours if you has no intent with what you drew.
You’re such a fucking whiny litte bitch.

idk if my progress was slower at the gym or with drawing. but the difference is i quit the gym after 7 months. ive been here for a year and 6 months. i could sit here and feel bad for being shit at 2 things or i can just look at it like... maybe im a really impatient person. maybe things just progress slowly. maybe this is my best and i have no choice and the best i can do is stick with it and being slightly better slowly is better than not being any better.

>>4928844
looks high /beg/

Every passing year has my overall malice towards other, lesser people growing. I don’t even know if you can call them people, they seem like animals to me.

>>4927298
How the hell am I supposed to trust any advice given on this godforsaken board when you people openly admit you like giving bad advice to keep people trapped in /beg/ because “you gotta kill the competition”???

>>4928844
that's not /beg/, but I'd have to see more of your art to see your overall skill level. You still have a bit of quirky constructional problems

>>4929055
There’s people like me who are incredibly cynical and hate the entire world, so much so, that we’d help losers like you if only to spite the annoying cocksuckers that wanted to crab in the first place and see them go “NOOOOOO, you can’t just offer good advice on an Artwork & CRITIQUE board!!!”

>>4929055
Good, it's working. Hope you shitters stay beg forever

>>4929065
>good advice
pyw

>>4929071
No

>mediocre technical skill
>next to no versatility
>not as stylistically creative or unique as i want to be
>not as conceptually creative or unique as i want to be
>generally inexperienced despite doing this for most of my life
I fucking hate myself. Drawing is like being in an abusive relationship. But at the same time, it's the only thing I care about.

>fuck around and try some new tools/techniques
>get surprisingly good results, feel really good about my work for the first time in a while
>try to do more work the next day
>the pressure caused by the expectation that things will go well causes me to immediately choke
>nothing comes out right, new tools suddenly feel bad and new techniques don't work like they did just yesterday
>get a dreadful feeling that I've somehow been deceived into thinking things would improve when in fact they never will

I wish I could say this is the first time this has happened. I've never been closer to quitting than in times like this, I have no idea what I'm supposed to do

>>4928675
always were

>>4929126
You probably don't draw enough with the intent to learn.
Get rid of your distractions. This means no vidya, youtube, movies etc. Go on and study the artists you like. Eventually start stealing the parts you like from them. Draw more.

>>4929303
realize that it's just imposter syndrome. Continue drawing. Don't expect every result to be fantastic. Ragard every drawing you make to be a study, not a masterpiece.

Perfectionism is a bad thing. It halts progress.

This has been bugging me out for months so fuck it, idk if BBC-Chan browses /vent/ threads but I sure as hell know he browses /ic/.
I remember a thread about some fag trying to get to BBC's level within a year and I remember BBC himself showed up on that same thread to give advice (proven by a cryptic post on his Twitter).
I can't explain why but I remember just shitting on BBC for "derailing the thread" or some retarded nonsense, he tried to defend himself but I was being really fucking dumb and so he left.
Ever since, I couldn't look at any of his work since it all just reminds me of that cringy time. Again, idk if he browses /vent/ but if you're reading this; i'm sorry.

>Want to recreate some of my old-ass shitpost-tier art to see progress
>Only two references I could find for this specific thing in it are both decently popular mangas but can't find any other attempts to draw it that isn't fanart of those mangas
>Don't want to copy them outright but don't have a clear idea of how to go about it since both mangas have incredibly different depictions of the same idea so I don't feel inspired
This is annoying. I just don't want to spend too long on figuring this out but I guess I don't have much choice.

>>4929523
Of course that retard stopped trying

I don't feel drawing anymore, or as much as I used to.

Fuck 2020, the virus wasn't even the main problem.

It feels depressing posting art online and nobody giving a shit.

>>4929754
don't be shit then

Really confused about
Learning anatomy and perspective from vilppu , Loomis .....
Or just learning it by copying manga artstyles and artbooks k like

>>4929807
Yes
Long answer; shut the fuck up and just draw and figure our what really works in your end as everyone has a method in deconstruct anything and copying their method isn’t gonna work jack shit if you lack the mileage and understanding why they do it in the first place. There’s already thousands of courses in drawing the human body.

A while back my sister was diagnosed with terminal brain cancer (glioblastoma), and at the beginning of her diagnosis she started putting together a box of things she could leave behind for her four-y/o son, my nephew. She requested a custom portrait from me, a drawing of her and my nephew.

At the time I agreed happily, but I don't know why, I choked. I was in denial of the situation. Every time I tried to start, and started a bunch of times, it just reminded me of the fact that she wasn't going to be here soon. What the cancer and the treatments and the steroids did to her, physically, it was horrifying. The whole situation was so scary, and she was scared more than anybody. She still cried the same. She was so scared. Then covid hit, just as she was progressing to the end of the illness, nobody was allowed to see her. I hadn't seen her in months. If I'd have known it would have turned out like this, I would have tried harder.

She died on the 17th of August, not long after my birthday. I never made the fucking portrait guys. She never got to see it. And she died alone in a hospice, because of this fucking virus, nobody could be with her to hold her hand. I could make a portrait for her now, for her box, but she'll never see it. I get to carry this for the rest of my life now. Fucking hell.

>>4929690
I like your stuff but all the zyzz makes me cringe. I have nothing else to say

>look at drawings from 10 months ago
>arguably they were as good or better than what I’m doing now
>not that it really fucking matters anyway because it’s all the same low-/beg/ scribbles
I do get some sort of pleasure in the idea of sticking with it no matter what. Even if I draw for 50 years and never make it out of /beg/, well, at least I never gave up. That has to count for something right?

>>4930002

Does anyone else find it more difficult to be creative after a fap?

>>4929055
oh is this what this board is like? thanks for the warning

>>4930163
Not really, it’s bullshit. People can’t help but correct people who are wrong, bad advice will basically always be corrected because it gives people a boner to correct, even it’d it’s an obvious troll. The /crab/ threads are just bait, successful bait which is being copied recently by imitators

>>4930159
Nah

>>4929055
Ignore all advice that’s not “change specific thing XYZ about your drawing to make it better”. Everything about study habits, study methods, schedules, mindset, is pseudoscience at best.

>>4930176
too bad the board is full of ngmis so it'll be bad advice correcting bad advice.

>>4927646
>>4927671
>>4927854
How can you miss it when it's literally next to the pencil and eraser icon? I'm confused.

>>4930002
I'm really sorry.

My paintings turn into boring meaningless garbage....my teacher told me to take risks (both content and technique wise) and i know i should. Then when i start a new painting i realize half way in i didnt move away from my previous habits at all and i want to kys myself.

>>4930193
Like I said, apex moron

>>4930199
change mediums, do something that forces you to take risks

>post some art
>one of three things happens
>no comments at all
>unhelpful positive comment
>unhelpful negative comment
This ALWAYS happens to me it's fucking lame.

>>4930592
idk what you expect, /ic/ is just for gauging the interest/reaction of the average anonymous shithead, or seeing if you fucked up something badly but are blind to it

>>4930592
Maybe when you post work actually write something in your post instead of saying nothing. Then perhaps maybe you won't get one of those 3 inevitable conclusions.

>>4930599
What do you write?

>>4930602
The fact that you're asking me this just proves that my hunch was right.

>>4930608
woah, we've got a genius over here
what do you write? and not the same guy anyway

>>4930592
Sometimes work just isn’t interesting at all and the post isn’t asking for anything like >>4929589
so it’s just glossed over. People who force out a reply aren’t always around

>>4930612

As for critique. Surprising bombshell info I know.

>>4930002
That's really fucking sad anon. My condolences to you. It's gonna get better over time, trust me.

>>4930599
>ask specific question
>no comments at all
>unhelpful positive comment
>unhelpful negative comment
>answer completely unrelated to what you asked

>>4930627
if you want to draw faces, try loomis, it even has a section on hands

I want to do a painting of my grandfather before he leaves us, but I don't think I'm good enough to do it.

>>4930687
practice beforehand from a photo

>>4930687
Dude
>>4930002
And I’m sorry for your loss

>>4930697
no shit, retard

>>4930818
wow, rude

>>4930022
Thanks man, and not a problem bro!

>KJG understood 3D form in kindergarten
>I only got it a couple of months back at the age of 23

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I wish my ego weren't so big

>>4930388
Idk what though

I feel like i am not doing enough or learning quick enough. Like im not spending enough hours. Even when i study that feels like all ive been doing and not making any works of my own. It feels like im preping for a race that im not going to participate in, because i never feel worthy enough to make anything. I feel conflicted and confused with references. Part of me cba to take hours to search for references or fuck with a 3d model, but like i know I am suppose to use them for things to make it look accurate or for inspiration. but if I lets say use a reference just for the pose, lets say an action pose. Lets say the reference is wearing like a just a skintight suit. And i wanted to change the apperal to a dress or armour. How would the lighting on the cloths be? Where would all the folds go? How would I be able to check and correct if i dont have anything to check to? I can use another reference for the cloths sure like the design/structure. And maybe something different for the folds, But since its not the same as I want it what then? Im just assuming one of a few things the more I just draw said subjects the more easily I can identify the patterns. Try to understand what makes up the said folds then compensate for perspective and lighting.

>>4930002
dude i'm really sorry bro may your sister find peace.

>>4931120
..Said anyone noble, ever, anon.

AAAAAA theres so many things I want to do but I feel incapable to even try

>>4928748
What art school did you go to

I've been drawing my whole life and I genuinely love helping new artists grow. I never hesitate to give them encouragement and constructive criticism. There was one guy who was a total beginner a few years ago and I would often help him out, but I stopped seeing him for a while until last year he shared his newest picture. It is better than anything I will ever make.

I immediately became depressed, and since then it's seemed to open the floodgates because now I'm meeting artist after artist after artist who was a beginner a few years ago, but are miles better than me now. Not only that, they're hobbyists; art is just a fun thing to do on the side while they're working real jobs. Not only THAT, they're also better than me at cooking or they work out every day or countless other qualities. Art is the only thing I have, and I still can't compare.

I hate all of them, and I hate myself for hating them. They haven't done anything to me, they just have a work ethic that I will never ever possess. I wish I could blame it on my mental health, but I know they have struggles in their own lives which they overcome, and I don't.

Even when I do put in the effort it never amounts to anything; I follow tutorials as closely as humanly possible, I try to apply that to pieces from imagination, but even things I've drawn hundreds of times before just never get any easier and never turn out any better. I distinctly remember having the same exact problems with my inking and values in high school.

The pandemic is actually the best thing that's ever happened to me because I have all the time I need to try and improve and I'm drawing more than ever before. But even that pales in comparison to what these other people do, and I know I'm only going to fall further and further behind.

I get why people say not to give advice because you're only training the competition, but I can't stop myself, I want to make people's lives better. Just not if it it makes my life so much worse.

5 years in, still can’t do clean pencil lineart + shading without sinking an entire day into one figure. I forget to sharpen my shit often so the values are always fucked up

I also wasted half of my day one bizarre fetish art again, and it’s not even legible because the graphite came out so light and thick

Generally speaking I am beginning to accept that I have no future in the art industry in any capacity, I just hope I will have time to make decent art after college

>>4931909
>values
Line weight, I meant line weight

>>4929055
yh i don't get that mentality, the most selfish thing I would do is try and groom someone into helping me with a comic I plan to do, but i would need to earn enough money to pay them

>>4931120
take some psychedelics

Ever since I started tracking my time last week I can easily clock in 4 to 6 hours on a work week full time. And all I have to do is gtfo 4chan.

>>4930002
This is so fucked up that nobody was allowed to visit her what the fuck. I am so sorry for you anon.

>>4929055
Bro just learn the fundamentals and you'll be able to pick out what's good and bad advice on your own.

>>4931884
Look at this pathetic cuck, prepping his future bulls. Better to be a crab than be miserable like him

>forgot to put a signature on a drawing I posted once again
Dang it

>>4931884
This is too simple an answer to your telenovela of 1st world problems for you to accept it straight away, but stop comparing yourself to others and making doomposts. When you next feel like this look through past work and try to find the things that got you into art in the first place.
But I empathize with you and know you're not posting for rational advice so; we've all been there anon, we know the feel of feeling less than we 'should be', remember it's all part of a rollercoaster you should've known from the start isn't all fun and positive all the time.
Go draw faggot

>>4932104
knew that was coming

>>4932140
I don't see how I can avoid comparing myself to others if I want to work in this industry, since there is a baseline level of skill needed which I guess I don't have. Glad you understand though, I really just wanted to let it out because I have very few people I can talk to about this. I am still drawing, I'm not giving up despite how terrible I feel; I just wish it would amount to something.

>>4930002
Make the art. She wants it for her son, your nephew to remember her. She still exists in your memories, she's not fully dead and the kid needs to remember every day how much she loved and was loved. She's a part of who you are and you carry around this paralyzed sadness when you should be living as if she's watching you with love and acceptance, don't fail her bro. Fuck you for making me tear up, but make the damn portrait. Sorry if that was lame I just kinda blurted out how I felt.

>>4930120
We're all filthy disgusting animals sliding all over each other. I'm not religious but I think worship is important for humans and to worship creation can give something to being human that nothing else can create, though I don't know what, just a theory.

>>4932158
Worship and gratitude, when you incorporate these feelings into your daily life it'll infuse you with an energy that otherwise wouldn't exist. Thank the Lord that I woke up today, that I have the ability and circumstances to learn and draw, that I am making progress in my journey, that I have food and shelter. If you take these things for granted, every day is just another day "like it's supposed to be", then when it's not you're hit with a truckload of regret at how you squandered your past time.

Praise the Lord!

>>4932165
Amen

>Usualy I draw for 1 To 2 hours a day
>Yesterday I drew for something like 3-4 hours,I was even in the zone
>Today I'm mentally tired af

How do people can draw more that 2 jours a day without getting tired or coing on autopilot?
Is my attention span so low?

>>4932174
*hours (fucking keyboard)

>>4932145
>still drawing when you least feel motivated to
Yeah that's a strong gmi mate chin up

>>4927298
I've been falling out of love with comics. I've been learning to draw for over a decade for the sole purpose of doing them but the more I keep trying the more I realize they might not satisfy me creatively like I thought they would. This shit scares me because I wasted my entire youth on art. I can draw pretty good now and I'm really happy at my level. but I think the point of drawing is starting to become obscure because I've hit my desired level and just the whole getting older part. Comics already push the boundaries of whats doable solo already but I'm starting to question if there's anything more I could do to really bring a concept to life with a reasonable workload? Anybody have ideas?

>>4932174
don't sell yourself short. You're building, keep pushing until 4 hours becomes as easy to do as 2 hours is, make it your new base power level. It has worked with reading books where before my eyes would hurt, I'd do maybe 50 pages in a day and hardly comprehend anything, but eventually I started scanning words faster, growing my vocabulary and understanding more faster. Also with bike riding, I built up to always being able to do 10 miles a day and pushed myself to 30 everyday and doing 10 miles is like nothing. Of course drawing is far more complex, I haven't slept all night so I guess I'm trying to say I think you're on the right track if you're mentally exhausted, but you still have to do the 2 hours today.

>>4932165
amen, give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses

>>4930002
I'm so sorry anon

>>4932181
t-thank you. I have a lot of things going on in my life in addition to what I said, so I'm trying to change.

>>4932174
it's like a muscle. you just get used to it over the course of time. but absolutely if you're exhausted rest. just get back into the zone whenever you can and keep the habit up. it gets easier.

>>4927855
Oh sure. The only reason to do this seriously is if everything else seems worse.
I’m not joking here. If you think you can quit, do it. It’s a stupid way to make a living. Even if you get really really good the competition is insane.

I’ve interviewed for games you know the names off, but there’a always a bigger fish!

>>4932224
Not that guy but I needed to hear this. Been slowly pushing the boundaries of how long I can draw (around 3~ hours now), but I kept thinking I was fucking retarded for not immediately being able to do 10.

>>4928284
See a mental health professional.
You’re a blessing and a support to those around you.
Don’t try to be great, try to be a source of good, warmth, kindness.
Do charity work, paint your familiea houses, maintain their gardens.
Do all those things that take no skill indeed and the world would be miserable without you.

Acquire emotional fortitude, you whiny bitches.

>>4932279
Ok, in what store can I find it? How many dollars does it cost?

>>4932278
>Don’t try to be great, try to be a source of good, warmth, kindness
fuck

I'm such a fuck up at life.

I used to draw when I was a kid but in high school I got so distracted. Everything in the world told me not to pursue art. The internet wasn't what it is not, back then, you have to understand. Working for Marvel or Disney was about 1 in a billion.

For fun I switched to music, which I don't even really like. I was good at it but I don't care about music. I'm pretty content just listening to other bands, I don't need to be in one.

Actually when I got to high school I wanted to be an architect. I signed up for a mechanical drawing class, when i got there it was just 2 stoners. The teacher told me to drop the class because it was really just a bullshit class for fuck up seniors to get easy credits.

My counselor told me I couldn't take an art class, I had to take a foreign language. I didn't want to but they said I had to. Of the optioned offered I thought Japanese was the most interesting. I never heard the term weeaboo. I didn't give a fuck about anime. It wasn't even about the women.

I just hated all the ghetto spics in my school who acted like retards and Latin is a fuckin dead useless language.

So I studied Japanese, and I crushed it. Not only did I get straight As, I was winning oratorical competitions, I won a full scholarship from Panasonic to study abroad. I lived with a host family, and went to a high school.

When I came back it was basically time to start applying to colleges.

What am I gonna go to college for?

Do I still want to be an architect?

>Anon, if you go to art school, you're never gonna get a job. You're going to be doing characters for tourists on a park bench in central park. You're gonna have all this debt. Go to school for business. You speak Japanese, you'll crush it. You'll make real money and then you can draw as a hobby, besides if you make your hobby your job, you'll end up hating it. And then what will you do for fun?

>>4932092
i've learned the fundamentals and this is bad advice

>>4932580
so then i have to look for schools where i can get fluent in japanese and study abroad again.

family is broke as shit. im limited to what i can personally afford to apply to which is 3 applications for 50 bucks each.

1st choice school, accepts me, but to the wrong faculty, not the one with the japanese or business programs.

3rd choice school flat out rejects me even though i know for a fact that they accepted tons of minorities from my own graduating class with way worse GPAs and SAT scores.

2nd choice it is.

Signing up for first semester. Guidance counselor straight up lies to me and says if you want to study Japanese, you can't be a business major and you can't be undecided, you have to declare to be an Asian Studies major.

If I don't do this, I can't study Japanese and it will be a total waste of a semester and all that money.

Long story short, I graduate and can't find a job for shit. End up with tons of debt and working in a warehouse with illegals and drug addicts for 13 dollars an hour. At least one guy there is a legitimate psychopath. One guy got arrested for threatening and harassing a farmer because the farmer wouldn't let him have sex with his horse. For 4 years I live in my step dad's basement while working at this shithole, barely making a dent in the loans. Driving a shitbox. Gaining weight, getting depressed.

But I did rediscover my passion for art, this time in the form of car design. I teach myself to draw cars and 3d model. I look into schools, and I also look into teaching English in Japan.

Again to cut the story short, I ended up working for a Japanese company in America for a year and it was a fucking nightmare. I work a boring desk job now, and I still hate it. Nothing to do with Japanese or drawing.

Everybody tells me to go back to school for it but I just can't bare to put myself back in debt.

I really fucked up and I'm paying for it. College was the biggest mistake of my life. I'm stuck now.

>Not good enough at drawing to like my own stuff or feel like it's actually worth showing to anyone but just good enough where I feel like I have potential to improve if I really tried
>Really want to express myself and show myself to the world and feel like drawing is basically the only way I can do so
>If I don't draw literally all I'll do after getting home from work or the gym is scroll through 4chan and MAYBE play something on steam
>Always feel guilty about days like previously mentioned and hate wasting my days doing nothing
>Pick up pencil
>Can't think of anything to draw and just sort of sit there doing mindless doodles that amount to nothing, not even having fun
What's wrong with me and how do I escape this?

>>4932601
go for a walk, really think about what you want to do and do it when you come back

>>4932597
I guess I want to add to this, I don't drink or do drugs. I never got someone pregnant. I've never gotten arrested. And currently I have good credit and no debt.

And all of that is fucking worthless.

From time to time I think maybe I should just go back into debt. at least I could be in the field I want to be in. At least I could be proud when people ask me what I do. At least I could finally git gud.

But here's the thing: uh how would i live and support myself in the meantime? In the time it takes to go to school. How would i have time to work to make money to live? How is it possible to do both?

And even if i somehow pulled it off. Even if i could work a night shift and uber and take out loans and balance work with school and graduate.

Even then, there is this risk that i get another worthless piece of paper and tons of debt.

And when that happens, all it means is I'm even older and still have nothing.

At least were I'm at now I don't like my job but I am saving money so I can hopefully buy a house. I'd like to get married and have kids someday.

I tried to do everything the responsible way and I ended up getting fucked in the ass for it.

so just keep that in mind, younger guys.

Make bold moves young. Do not wait.

>>4932616
>>4932597
Bruh, you need some Sam Hyde wisdom in your life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL3LxV5R6l4

I really want to quit and go NEET for the rest of the year. Just lock myself in my room, throw my modem and phone in the storage and just draw for 10 hours each day. Or at least find a new job with reduced hours.

>>4932648
Do it, nothing is stopping you but your own lack of will

>>4927298
am i losing my mind or do the new gg designs look like cheap knockoff shit that would get dunked on /ic/ for being a shitty westerner attempy to draw anime? they're so bland and the fucking faces are horrible.

>>4932657
what's gg

>>4932651
How do I go from dopamine junkie needing mental stimulation every 2 minutes to being able to sit and draw for hours and hours at a time?

>>4932660
guilty gear maybe

>>4932580
>>4932597
>>4932616
It sounds like you've actually had some amazing accomplishments, at least on paper. You've been employed at multiple places, you've won competitions, even if they were terrible in real life, I'm sure they look good on a resume.

Now if you want to go into industrial design, what truly matters is your portfolio. No, it's not gonna be easy to improve your skills while you have so many other responsibilities. But if you manage to get to a professional level, all that work you did that seems totally irrelevant can be what really seals the deal. Someone who can draw, but also has experience working in a highly regimented environment, as well as being almost fluent in Japanese? Sounds like a really strong application to Honda or Toyota or countless other places.

I know how hard it is, how it seems like you ruined your life and can't fix it. I made my own post like it in this thread. But at least someone on an anonymous imageboard believes in you.

頑張ってアノンさん、家を買いないで

>>4932665
Just do it, buckle up

>>4930002
I'm so sorry anon. Please remember you're only human. It's not like you just shrugged it off and didn't care, your emotions were obviously in a fucking whirlwind of confusion and fear. You tried; you just weren't able to do it because of everything that happened. It's not your fault. You're going through enough, try not to be hard on yourself.

>>4930002
Damn anon, i'm sorry.

>>4930002

That's awful anon.

If you feel you can, I say make the portrait anyway. Even if she doesn't see it, she wanted it for her son, for posterity. You can still fulfill her wish.

Make a portrait that you're proud of, that he'll treasure.

>>4931252

What do you mean you don't know what?

Pick a medium you're less familiar with, make art with it.

Are you a digital art fag? Try watercolor. Are you a pencilfag? Try a brush pen. Try throwing your digital art through some weird filters and work with it.

>>4932770
this. it'll give you some closure.
>>4930002

"Where will you be in 5 years? What about 10 years?"
>35 years old
>no degree or technical qualifications
>$12/hr
>working a dead end call center job
>testosterone depleting
>neuroplasticity depleting
>every year becomes harder and harder to retain new knowledge
>tired even more frequently than you were in your 20s
>parents are dead, no family to rely on
>come home late hours too tired to draw but in the back of my boomer mind I just know that one day, any moment now I'll be a rockstar comic book artist in nippon
A-a-right time to draw 250 boxes!!! Again!!!
>draws my 45 box
>hands are aching due to all the typing I was doing at work
>give up
>turn on my AR apple smart glasses and browse Magater, the social media Twitter replacement developed by the Trump administration
>see all the /ic/ anons I once saw 10 years ago doing great things, hired by studios or working on projects of their very own and making money
>"They made it..." I say to myself in a low, monotone voice
>I go to my dashboard
>My drawing has 6 likes--OOH a new follo--
>It's a porn bot
>I block the pornbot and unblock it to get it to unfollow me in rage
>I switch the AR functionality of the headset to VR and dive into a porn session with a YouPorntuber, pay them half my weeks salary for 30 minute virtual sex session just to feel good ANY good for myself
>I fall asleep on the floor with cum dripping all over the carpet as I restart my miserable day the next day with my mission to complete drawAbox and never advancing
"One day...one day I'll make it" I mumble in my middle aged man voice

WHY ARE THERE COOMER ADS NOW NOOOOOOOOOO

>>4932918
No no NO NO NOOOO
PLEASE GOD DON'T LET THIS BE ME

>>4932929
Then DRAW. Draw while you're still YOUNG.

I finally got an interview set up for register job! Finally, no more endless neet life and wasting time drawing all day. I finally won't feel worthless.

>>4932952
You fool, you utter fool, you don’t know what you have until it’s gone! I’m wageslaving now and I wanna kill myself, and that’s on top of college, you fool!!!

>>4932952

You'll feel happy getting cash in your pocket but eventually you'll long to be NEET again.

>>4932965
I hope not. This year has been the most miserable i've ever been. Wanting to help my family with financial troubles but not know how because you're part of their troubles to begin with makes you feel like complete shit. It even feels worse that im still learning how to draw, but can't make anything worth a damn. I just want to feel useful to someone.

>>4932993
>Wanting to help my family with financial troubles but not know how because you're part of their troubles to begin with makes you feel like complete shit.

Yes. Which kinda points to >>4932918. Unless you already have some kind of degree in a useful field you'll be a register boy for the rest of your natural born life as you walk day in and day out helping your aging parents. At first you'll feel happy that you're there to help and contributing to the bills. But then eventually you'll catch up to the realization of "what's next" and "is this what my life will be like until I'm ready to put my mama and papa in a retirement home unless I gain the skills necessary to draw art for a living?

And as they age, you age. And with each passing year it'll be harder and harder for you to develop the skills. You might have to take up 2 jobs just to support yourself one day. And when that happens it's game over.

LMAO look at these sad ass FAGGOTS

>>4932952
Good job anon! I wish you luck. <33333

>>4933001
That's too far thinking for me in a world full of unexpected twist and turns. For now, this is what i want, and it makes me happy.
>>4933008
Thanks, i'll try my best.

The porn banners on this board are ruining my life

>>4933102
Why

>>4933102
>>4932920
>Discord trannies don't know how to use adblock
GOOD.
Suffer more.

>>4933181
Use adblock

>>4933188
don't help them you fucking retard

>>4933181
>/ic/ will become another /d/ and /aco/
well fuck

>>4930002
literally the only thing you can do to move forward is draw the portrait the best you fucking can my guy.

>>4932778
Im oilpaintfag
I think any kind of paint is out of the question

I want to quit art but can't. Its a waste of time for me and I have no desire to make a career out of it yet I come crawling back. How do I quit this shit for good?

>>4933295
Get into programming. Fiddle with some machine learning and data science stuff.

>>4933295
donate your hands to someone who needs it

>>4933302
Literally gave my $400 worth of supplies to my little brother the day and thought I was done for good
Came home and saw a ballpoint pen I use daily sitting on the counter and felt an impulse to draw
This shit is like crack and I think I have a legitimate mental illness I dont even like drawing I hate it but I cant let it go

>>4927298
I feel like I spent all my time on the wrong shit. I looked at what art jobs actually require and they all want people that can do 2D AND 3D on top of having expertise in a variety of industry standard programs.

All /ic/ told me to do was "study fundies". I did/am doing that and now I realize that was only one tiny piece of the whole picture. I got such severe tunnel vision and now I'm left feeling lost.

>>4933324
I felt this way too, when I wanted to start making manga after just sketching for years and years. Learning inking, panelling, cinematography, coloring, character design, environment design, costume designs, etc. It's all very overwhelming at first, but I promise you all of this other stuff comes incredibly quickly.

The fundamentals of drawing and storytelling are what comes the slowest and are the most important thing for you to learn. They're the foundation for everything else.

>>4933295
>>4933310
Learn to Sing!

>>4933333
I feel blessed to be reassured by a post with those immaculate quints, thank you anon

>>4933340
Worst part I've already tried.
2 years playing the guitar
Spent college trying to learn how to write
Tried to learn to sculpt from my professional uncle
I literally never have to worry about money due to my trust fund and inherited properties
My life is pointless and I hate it. I thought i would try to use my privilege to at least create something of value but I cant. No creative pursuit has entertained me enough to keep it. I lack the talent and discipline. Drawing is just another off this long list. I genuinely might donate my wealth and go fucking blow my brains out at this point.

>>4933354
Consider education. Maybe the saying those who can't, teach is a good one.

>>4933354
Why not travel the world? Go to Switzerland and draw the fjords. I often feel more motivated to draw when I'm out and about, travelling.

The moment I've saved up enough money I'm going to travel to Lauterbrunnen for a month.

>>4933324
Sounds like you're going to have to learn photoshop, maya and zbrush anon.

>>4933221
Don't worry, they won't be able to figure it out.

I hate having to relearn and readjust to different tools.

I want my old laptop, old wacom bamboo, and photoshop elements 5 back.

I'm realizing how much I don't know about photoshop that the more I learn the more I don't feel like using CSP anymore.

>Grow up surrounded by art, mom is a professional artist
>Learnt anatomical shortcuts and shit from her
>Jumped into anime at a young age so of course my art was inspired by it
>Never bothered with learning fundies
>Rarely ever use references
>Sit around wondering why my art looks wonky
But hey, at least my line work is smooth and confident!

... It's hard finding the time to sit down and learn nowadays though. While everyone else got less hours during the quarantines, I got more hours. Only have time to sleep and work nowadays.

burned myself out again. idk why it's always this time of month i just hate everything i draw. feels like a cycle but also maybe i'm just becoming more aware of the flaws in my art

I hate artists

I hate anything having to do with the art "scenes" or artist cultures.
I am addicted to drawing though and I must interact with such despicable humans

I'm tired

I feel like I've been tired for over 20 years.

I fucked up my health grinding and even if I get into industry at this level I won’t be able to support this lifestyle without it eventually killing me in my 40s. Truly, 16-hours grind was the ultimate crab all along

Fuck drawthreads, was fun at first since i got to draw a lot of interesting stuff and get compliments at the same time but now it's just annoying crabs complaining about free stuff for reqs that nobody would've done asides from me anyway. Like why even bother if i'm not getting my dick sucked.

Do Japanese schools really have school festivals set up and maintained by the students themselves? I never really thought about this trope.

On one hand that sounds pretty cool but then on the other hand it also sounds almost depressing because that's the only out of classroom trope that I see in anime. Here in the west, if you go to a good school, public or not, (not a poorly funded, shitty public school) I remember there being all kinds of events held for kids throughout the year. Things like run marathons or festivals (like japan but kinda equally better), bands, or watching the football/basketball team play against another school...etc. It's almost as if this school festival thing is the only thing the japanese found dreamy about school life. It's another thing why school setting in the west is an untapped story telling side of things.

>>4934150
why would you do free reqs for ingrates on 4chan? you should have known better

>>4934154
Oh and then there are field trips. I guess I see that in some anime sometimes. That's also a frequent thing in the west.

But I have yet to see a unique school field trip in an anime. It's always the same onsen/aquarium field trip for fan service. Or the beach. My God...

>>4934150
Same, anon. I just wanted a "thank you" and some practice, but half of the time, the beggars won't even give you that. I was a retard posting WIPs and offering small changes, and all that got me was anons complaining about shit and drawlets making horrible edits to my work. People who don't draw don't have any appreciation for those who do, so there's no point doing anything for them if you're not getting paid. You're better off drawing your own shit.

I don't fucking get it!

>>4934208

>>4933102
>>4933181
Fucking mobilefags

>>4927298
>Full time essential worker
>Want to quit job & get serious about art career
>Remember that I need a steady income & health/dental insurance

>>4934353
"essential" = disposable gullible loser
Congress doesn't give a spleen about you.

>>4934150
I've been drawing for the Weekend Waifu Drawthread on /a/ for years. For the most part people are extremely appreciative, it's not uncommon to get a paragraph-long thank you. I never draw for the general drawthreads.

>>4934208
>>4934214
what

what did you do to B

There’s porn ads on /ic/ now, this board is ready to become another coomposting board for people coom over, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE CHINKMOOT??? AHHH COOOOOMINGGGGG

>>4934214
I see, but it's pretty hard to imagine or feel it the way Vilppu describes it, especially when they twist and turn later

>>4934408
Kill yourself you tech illiterate Discord tranny.

These ads got me thinking those women are someones daughters. Imagine spending 18 years raising an internet pornstar thinking your precious butterfly will find a nice, rich husband to continue your lineage. Hopefully those parents have sons.

>>4934443
Kids with solidly good families don't get into porn or sex work most of the time. They'll go the insta-thot photo touchup route but not actual camwhoring or degrading stuff. There's usually an absentee mother/abusive father/sexual grooming/combo of familial dysfunction, poverty, etc. going on long before they make the jump into that sort of stuff.
>t. volunteered at some women's shelters once upon a time

>>4934443
These ads got me thinking that someone's naive artist daughter is going to come here looking to improve her art, only to be bombarded with porn ads and end up a degenerate coomer.

>>4934438
Why do you hate your own kind so much? You're a tranny too, faggot.

>>4934688
How do you know I’m a tranny? I have a boyfriend.

>>4934694
...and?

>>4934701
S-so I'm not trans. Got it?

>>4933857
this
I only feel good directly after a cup of coffee and only if I didn't have one in a week or two

By far the fastest threads here are /beg/ and /vent/. What does that say about this board?

>>4934750
/alt/ used to be the most active general

Not sure if this has anything to do with me but I can't post from mobile anymore. My IP range is banned due to abuse for some reason.

>>4934750
that it takes less time to make /beg/ art or /vent/ shitpost than to create something for decent for another general.

>>4934770
Mobile IP changes a lot so someone probably shitposted on their data instead of wifi and it fucked you over. You could try to turn it off and on and restart your browser a bunch or just appeal since it wasn't you but it probably won't work.

>>4934436
put a box and a ball in a sock like he suggests you dope.

>>4934774
Exactly. Its like the coom has fried that guys last brain cell.

I feel shit and want to cry everytime I touch my drawing. It looks better than anything I have ever done but my life still feels empty. I guess I feel like this because I got a drawing tip from someone else and didn’t learn this on my own.

>>4934750
Any person can post in vent and /beg/, the problem is that /alt/ was split in 10 different sub-generals so the entire board became really slow

I hate that people prefer to coom than to be scared
My horror tweets have never done well, but my nsfw art gets likes

>finally work up the courage to quit my job
>find a part time work from home job that I might get the ok for the end of the month
>rumors around the office saying a new position for $18/hr and I have a high chance in getting put on it

Wtf bros I’m conflicted if I should stay or not.

>>4935585
follow your dreams

why has this board been so dead this past couple of weeks? is because of /fag/ and /lsg/? I guess the traffic has gotten so low now that the jannies don't fucking care anymore and that's why there are coom adds now

>>4935546
Obviously you gotta do guro and get the best of both worlds

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>>4935684
Everyone is too busy having fun drawing, so they have less time to shitpost

>Wake up at 7:30 sleep deprived
>Rush to get breakfast made and lunch packed
>Arrive late for work again
>Spend 8 hours waiting to get home
>Fall asleep because drained from work
>Dirty dishes stacked up in sink
>Bathroom needs cleaning
>Food needs cooking
>Mail piling up
>Constantly forgetting events because of the endless treadmill of life
>Can barely take care of self and home while finding time to draw
>Stay up too late because not enough time in the day to do everything you want
>Can't focus when it's finally time to draw, too much pressure to get it right because there's so few opportunities
>Get frustrated, have mental breakdown
>Go to bed at 1:45AM
>Repeat the whole process over again the next day
>Zero confidence in abilities, too scared to open self for freelance work
>Barely any time to put towards relationship
>Weekends are a blur
I don't want to kill myself, but I would be okay with going to sleep and not waking up. The burdens of life outweigh the benefits, and not being able to effectively use art to cope with it just makes it worse.

I'm so scared of failure, that I run away from new challenges without ever trying. I want to do be braver, don't want to get hurt, but I can't just sit around and do nothing. I have to at least try.

>>4927298
I don't care anymore. None of this interests me.
I'd rather get an exit bag and drink my way into killing
myself so I don't have to keep living in this nothing place
full of everyone I hate.

oh my god

>>4935967
Fix your sleep schedule and your life while be much more bearable

>draw something
>turns out not too bad after all
>upload it
>48h later
>21 views, 2 favorites, 0 comments, 0 new watchers
DO I FUCKING NEED TO PAY PEOPLE TO CLICK ON MY FUCKING DRAWINGS OR WHAT

>>4936530
Deviantart? That site is dead. You're lucky to get 2 favs at all.

>>4936837
Also the people I follow there have pro level work and the views they get are a joke.

>trying to do youtube
>parents arguing
>cunts just refuse to shut the fuck up
>keep calm
>think of how to solve the problem
>problem solved
>think of great ideas

I think venting is dumb, but I guess if you can't solve the problem... then vent?

>>4936837
FA. it's even coomer shit.

>>4936849
it's probably not fucked up enough

>>4932918
I hope i will finally be dead in less than 10 years
>30
>have to have master's degree in engineering to even be considered to get hired to clean toilets
>on welfare
>haven't gone out of the house for a year now because there is absolutely nothing outside
>cut ties with all "friends" i had over the years because they couldn't be trusted or were giganormies who couldn't even fathom the consequences of their actions
>making new friends or casual acquaintances is basically impossible
>everyone on the internet is a fucking faggot
>no gf because you have to have a car, a house, a boat, be in perfect physical shape, dress perfectly all the time, have to be constantly busy with social events and basically just throw all the money you earn in their direction just to date a girl that will cheat on you the instant she might think she might be able to get a better man
>want nothing because there is no point
>do nothing because there is no point
>play videogames because there isn't shit else i actually want to do
>videogames are fucking boring
>avoid doing things because that means i have to actively interact with normies
>don't draw because i don't want to draw anything
>think of stories, paintings, comics, projects i could do, plan them out
>no motivation to follow through
>reading the threads here just makes me want to draw even less
>lurking other boards makes me shake my head in disbelief
>lurking social media makes me want to just fucking disappear
>don't even know why i'm still lurking this shithole
>can't wait for Corona-Lockdown 2: revenge of the biological boogaloo so the normies commit sudoku en masse
>ask myself daily why i was even born
>ask myself daily why i don't just an hero
>ask myself why i'm the one who should die when the world is filled with fucking retards that deserve to get beaten to the brink of death every single day from the second they wake up until they go to sleep
>ask myself what the fuck did i do in my previous life to deserve this

>>4936947
>>cut ties with all "friends" i had over the years because they couldn't be trusted or were giganormies who couldn't even fathom the consequences of their actions
>everyone on the internet is a fucking faggot
>want nothing because there is no point
>do nothing because there is no point
>can't wait for Corona-Lockdown 2: revenge of the biological boogaloo so the normies commit sudoku en masse
>ask myself why i'm the one who should die when the world is filled with fucking retards that deserve to get beaten to the brink of death every single day from the second they wake up until they go to sleep
>ask myself what the fuck did i do in my previous life to deserve this
Dude. I’m 11 years younger than you and this is literally me. The outside world is ugly and void of beauty, most people deserve all the suffering they get, yet I’m the one who gets the worst of it, I hope things work out for you since you seem based

>>4936947
>30
>have to have master's degree in engineering to even be considered to get hired to clean toilets
>on welfare
It's not your fault so the world can suck a cock
>making new friends or casual acquaintances is basically impossible
>everyone on the internet is a fucking faggot
This is because none of the people who feel disenfranchised and complain anonymously on the internet are willing to put 0.01% of their public image at risk to get in touch with new people because they might be the "wrong" people.
>no gf because you have to have stuff
you seem to hate the kind of person who would want that out of you, so you shouldn't feel like it's a problem
>want nothing because there is no point
>do nothing because there is no point
>play videogames because there isn't shit else i actually want to do
>videogames are fucking boring
Entertainment is cancer, drop it. Stop wasting your time and physical resources on consumer garbage. You will be bored out of your mind and you will suffer but it will be worth it.
>reading the threads here just makes me want to draw even less
Because nobody here is making art
>lurking other boards makes me shake my head in disbelief
>lurking social media makes me want to just fucking disappear
You're wasting your time on consumer garbage
>don't even know why i'm still lurking this shithole
Because you need to "vent" aka compartmentalize your negative feelings so you can detach them from your public self
Your self is also this rant of yours, find a real outlet so that the problems affect you and force you into action instead of bottling them up under the illusion of making them public. Nobody cares about YOU here, they might care about your PROBLEM but not YOU because YOU are not here, right now I am replying to Anonymous #4936947 not YOU.
>ask myself daily why i was even born
>ask myself daily why i don't just an hero
There's no reason not to but in a time where inaction is shaping the world you should tell all the above to others instead.

>>4936988
Only now, in the span of a few minutes, the jealousy and bitterness turned into a violent burning anger, and I’m gonna make sure I get better than all these cocksucking cunts that made my life hell, and I’m gonna damn well make sure they know their fucking place. Let the negative emotions flow through you anon >>4936947
, channel them as I do and feel your hate for humanity grow, use it to surpass everyone and spit on them from above when you reach the top, my angry, hateful dreams keep me going

>laugh at a 4chin post in public coming out of the restroom
>paranoid guy thinks I have the rona
>peers through the door glass I walk through staring at me and is too afraid to step inside the bathroom

Jesus fucking christ.
>>4936988
It's going to be cringe when you look back at your posts 11 years from now.

>>4934208
>bought the drawing manual
>mfw when its in full color
>mfw Vilppu added more text to it
>mfw Vilppu updated the images to be more clear
The 60 bucks were so worth it anons. There's a 2017 2nd edition out there and its fucking great.

>>4932637
his "wisdom" is just, get a regular job, don't be a professional artist. you're a fucking idiot.

>>4937007
Nah, I’ll still be a winner 11 years from now, and I’ll be trudging onwards forever out of hateful spite alone. Who knows how successful I’ll be? I can only imagine

>>4936988
Nah, bateman, shit ain't getting better.
The older you get, the worse it will be.
When you think that you must force yourself to live in a society just to get old and probably not even be able to wipe your own ass anymore because your body and mind has been destroyed by the mundane day to day "living", you start to think if anything is worth it anymore. All this society shit has no goddamn value to me.
>>4937001
>they might be the "wrong" people
Depends what wrong people you mean.
I mean, can you even blame them? The web is fully of autists and strangely enough, art is full of full blow hypersociopaths.
>you seem to hate the kind of person who would want that out of you, so you shouldn't feel like it's a problem
Hate is too strong a word. I'm just tired of this.
Most women are like that here. Even the ones who preach about personality and inner values. Buncha hypocrites, i tell ya.
>You will be bored out of your mind and you will suffer but it will be worth it.
Entertainment or not, i am pretty much bored of existence itself.
>Because nobody here is making art
True that.
>You're wasting your time on consumer garbage
The opposite of it would be making consumer garbage. What's the difference then?
>right now I am replying to Anonymous #4936947 not YOU.
Does it matter? I vent to release a burden, maybe exchange a few words with others, learn something about myself, not because i want you to care. I wouldn't expect you to.
>>4937005
Nah, anon, i've long passed the insecurity stage where i wanted "power".
Things are easy to do, but there's no incentive, no meaning to do things, besides feeding the society machine or whatever the fuck this shithole of a planet is.
Hating people is useless because they don't even know what they're doing most of the time.
Sure, you can be frustrated by their behaviour, but what can you do? You're just a laboratory rat like everyone else.

>>4937068
Post it

how do i cope with knowing i've been drawing wrong for so much of my life?
seeing people who just figure things out so quickly when i'm left as an idiot who couldn't hurts so much

>>4934360
I never assumed that they did. How did I trigger you?

I got a twitter notification that a popular artist from my fandom that I admired followed me back. And then when I checked their profile I discovered that they accidentally followed me because I didn't see the grey "follows you" icon nor see them in my following list. That's a complete soul crusher right there ;_;

It's good I didn't get too excited and post a screenshot of that follow notification. I would have felt so embarrassed I would have almost wanted to delete my account.

I can't tell if I'm being patronized or if I can actually draw well...

>>4934353
artfags don't know how lucky they are man

>>4937399
How does one accidentally follow someone? They clicked on your profile and moved their mouse to the follow button.

>>4937476
If you're checking who follows you to block minors or bots especially on mobile it's very easy to get into a rhythm and accidentally tap. the block and follow buttons are quite close

>>4937506
oh you mean twitter

>>4936988
Lul fag

Why the fuck isn’t my drawing being approved on danboru it’s got a ton of favorites aaaaaaaa

I feel like I'm drawing with a huge brush on a small canvas in digital even though the canvas size is 5000x5000 with 300dpi.

>>4937476
They might have been looking at my twitter profile on their phone and accidentally hit the big "follow" button with their thumb. I thought they followed me not because my art is good (it's absolutely terrible) but because we both have the same interest in a certain character. But it's a japanese artist who mainly follows only other japanese artists.

Do any other anons have experience with good popular artists mutually following you not because of the quality of your art but sharing the same interest or subject matter? I know this shit shouldn't matter and doesn't make you a better artist but it's a nice confidence boost to get followed by artists you admire.

>>4937506
>If you're checking who follows you to block minors or bots

I've been thinking about blocking minors now and I don't even draw NSFW. One of the biggest sources of drama in art twitter.

>>4937563
>Do any other anons have experience with good popular artists mutually following you not because of the quality of your art but sharing the same interest or subject matter?

Yeah one time I drew a specific character as bait to see if this waifufag would see it and like flies to a moth he liked it but didn't follow me. I can think of a couple fixated Japanese artists who if you analyze them and draw what they like they'll see it eventually.

>clicked on this board by accident
>somehow get motivated to draw
>barley manage to a shitty flower with art supplies I still have from school
>accidentally rip paper to shred when trying to get it out of the block
This muat be a sign. So much for my art adventure then. Goodbye and have fun y'all!

>>4937384
Crab em

alright day off tomorrow which means 3 day weekend which means getting the FUCK off 4chan and all socials for some >serious< >training<

and now I go to bed early

>>4938262
good luck ramun. don't forget to take breaks

>>4938262
>and now I go to bed early
Lmfao

I've deluded myself into thinking someone is stalking me on 4chan, with some script that alerts them whenever I post.

I'm so lonely

>>4938476
Youre correct :) you shouldnt feel lonely im always with you anon

>>4938476
Keep the evidence, you never know. But if it starts to become an issue irl, then it's time to take it to take it to the police and have someone whose job it is to sort these things out take care of it. At least make a police report if you don't want to reveal suspicions. That way there's evidence if things do get out of hand. Then get on with life, lonely anon.

>>4938476
>script that alerts them whenever I post.
Thats impossible unless youre name/tripfagging or they have a way to see what youre doing on your computer.

25 year old nigga learning to draw as a career (with some background of kiddo drawing) wish me luck niggas this is my last shot

>>4938568
dude same. wish u luck bruh, u trying to get into concept art? that's what I'm trying to do ( well environmental concept art, character design is oversaturated.)

young zoomzoom problems. I know it's retarded, but I need to vent somewhere.
I'm 20 yo and I'm preparing for art school.
>art school is a meme
yeah, yeah I know. It's not like I really have a choice.
I had this phase during my teen years where I thought everything is about passion, and as long as I'm doing something I love I would be okay. I told myself that money and social prestige all that stuff was superficial, and what really matters is that I do what I felt passionate for: drawing. That's why I didn't study and didn't really care about my grades. All I did was doodle in class, as if those scribbles in line notebooks would get me anywhere.
So the options are closed to me. I can't really apply to STEM or anything else because I know fuck all about that shit. All I have is some shitty doodles on scraps of paper. So Art School it is.

>>4938663
>cont.
I'm applying to major in animation. It was something I loved and what got me started with drawing in the first place.
The thing is, I've been browsing /co/ for a while and the romantic vision I had as a teen about that profession has totally shattered.
It's a dying market that is run by a demographic that doesn't welcome me. It is bloated and stagnant medium plagued with retarded twitter drama.
The chances I achieve my "Teen Dream" of becoming some big shot director is absolutely zero.
At this point, I'm 99% sure that I'll be some free lancer on twitter living on snippets of coom money.
I don't even care about my dream of being a big animator anymore, I just wish I'm lucky enough for a stable job.
Probably some "assistant designer" in some small studio.
I just don't know what I'm doing, and I don't even know why I'm doing it anymore.
I'm not even good at what I'm doing. I'm fucking /beg/ amongst thousands of people who are better than me.
Worst thing is that there's no wat out. I lost the moment I decided to touch a pencil
fuck

>>4938589
i dont even know

my plan is to make cash through commissions and if in a dire situation compliment it through a part time job or something

>>4938663
>>4938664
>studying Vilppu
u'll be alright :)

>>4938664
art school is a lot of fun. remember to find your artist gf or you'll never get another chance.

I hate my life, I hate women but i want to fuck them so badly.

>>4938663
Even if you're just copying reference, your stuff is already better than most art graduates. The job market fucking sucks but you'll be alright.

>>4938672
ah, that also reminds me..
I've never had a gf or had a female friend for that matter.
It is truly over for me

>>4938684
Well now's your chance, once you leave art school you'll never have another social environment like it again. You DO want a qt artist gf right?

>>4938684
Met my gf first day of uni in my class. We ended up having a baby and we’re 5 years in now. For the love of god try to talk to people, it may change your life. Dress decent, don’t be a speed and walk up to people and say hi. Everyone at uni is desperate to make friends because they know no one. There’s a period of about 1 month at the start where everyone in the world is extremely friendly. Do not miss this period because once people settle it gets a bit harder. Just be super nice to everyone, say hi, ask names. The more people you “know” the better because then you aren’t a random stranger when you see people around campus. Don’t just stick within your class, everywhere. Being outgoing in the first month will bring massive benefits. This is the time to stop being shy and go for it, if you fuck up oh well it’s just school and you can go back to what you were doing anyway. Shoot your shot man, every time

>>4938693
*don’t be a sperg

>>4938667
>>4938676
>alright
I sure hope so..
It's what I'm aiming for anyway.
I don't know.
I still have this "Teen Dream" residue asking me if I'm content with being "alright."
And I'm more afraid that the answer is yes.
It's what's realistically achievable anyway.
I don't know if I have a point I want to make.
I know this all sounds stupid to be honest, I just need to /vent/

>>4938687
>You DO want a qt artist gf right?
yes...
>>4938693
thanks anon, I sure hope I don't die alone

>>4938707
What I mean is it's not easy for anyone now, but at least you don't have to worry much about lack of skill. There's one job and thousands of people fighting for it; you have an advantage if you aren't also fighting your own lack of ability.

>>4938713
I hope you're right.
Thanks for reading my shitty blogpost, anon

>>4938710
You won’t dude, I am so serious when I say though just talk to people. Don’t be afraid to talk to people. Walk up and say hi and introduce yourself. This was almost alien to me before starting uni. If you’re not this sort of person you can try it any time, I recommend you give it a swing before you go, if only to see the massive difference in how people in the real world act compared to people at uni. It is literally easy mode as long as you throw yourself in at the start. You got this

>>4938663
>>4938664

I attached some samples of my stuff

As a fellow 20yo I can relate to your situation. I spent most of my early years trying to separate myself from becoming another starving artist, however I was not able to shake the need to create, despite throwing all sorts of
STEM and trade work at my dumb monkey brain. Now I too attend an animation program.

What the industry looks at the moment is not predictive of what is to come, and if you look too hard at what others are doing, or what is currently happening in your field, you will never be able to crawl ahead of the rat race because you will always be stuck in a the present. Art has never been a stable field, so get that out of your mind right now. If you decide to do art as a career, you absolutely need to be a special brand of retarded that is
okay with always being on the chase for new opportunities, technologies and skills.

Your advantage is that you have no other option other than your work, because according to you there is no other safety net yes? Then you need to be as driven as you can, there is no room for doubting yourself.

Also only draw things you personally enjoy for a couple weeks, if you get caught up doing studies all the time you'll lose your mind. I was in a fog too but after drawing some anime girls for a bit after months of gestures and casts I learned to love art again. One day with enough work we will be big animators I'm sure of it.

>>4938748
nice stuff there, anon.
And thanks.
I hope you're right

>>4938663
Honestly, I'm the exact reverse and I wish I was more like you. I always was the "smart kid" in school, had some sort of autistic obsession with "doing things right" and thus ended up studying most of my waking hours in fucking middle school onwards. Yeah, I had great grades, but then I went to STEM college and all my prize in the end was severe burnout I still haven't recovered from.
I wish I could turn back time, give a fucking middle finger to all those teachers and spent my days doodling in class like you did. And as someone who had teenage dreams too, let me tell you - doing what you love >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chasing greatness. I'm not joking.

>>4938664
>>4938663
>>4938748
I don't want to demotivate you but answer this: do you love the idea of drawing literally anything people (your employer, your colleagues, your "followers") ask of you, no matter how boring or stupid or trite it is, 365 days a year, no questions asked, no strings attached, no creative input, nothing of yours? If no, do something else with your life.

>>4938663
>>4938664
Art school is a meme and you're just paying for credentials to be able to apply for jobs in the industry.
Which then you'll spend year either looking for one, or slaving away at some company, drawing shit you have no interest in because all the big studios already have their go-to freelance artists.
What you need to ask yourself is where you want to go with your work.
Do you have a project?
Do you have a goal besides doing art because any other job is shit?
Reading through your post makes me think you're just doing this out of desperation; because you ain't got shit else going.
I mean, you can keep going down that path for all i care, but do you really want to be trapped in something you hate (demographics and all that shit included)?
Keep art on the side and focus on something else that doesn't make you feel miserable.
The industry has already too many faggots who are doing this because of shitty reasons.

Followers are so fucking fake. If I make a post about being busy with real life they'll comment saying oh don't worry take your time. Then when I post, they completely ignore it. Or, when I was more active, they'd always comment and like my art posts, but when I posted that I was opening commissions I got nothing but silence. Fuck you guys and fuck me for even trying to interact. From now on I'm just posting my art and leaving. Nothing good comes out of forcing myself to be social.

>>4939373
The world doesn't revolve around you.
But one thing you figured out
>Nobody actually gives a shit about others
You're supposed to use others to gain visibility, not to actually "be social".
What are you, a filthy human?

>>4939275
t. salty old fart mad that a young person is going to have the best 4 years of his life mingling with qt art girls while he ferments in a crusty basement drawing boxes

>>4939468
>implying women will want to mingle with a broke beg
post your tuition fee

>>4939536
>implying 18-20 year old girls give a shit about anything but having fun
Art school is pretty much a party school, it's the easiest to get laid in

>>4939545
>art school in fun
>in the current year
>in the current social climate
>while being a low value male
just post how much you charge students

>>4927298
I'm so tired of giving people my full attention, and they don't give the same amount in return. I try hard to engage in conversation of topics i'm not familiar about. Asking questions. etc. But when ever there's something i'm interested in, i'm always met with "oh that's weird. That's dumb'' or they just cut me off in the middle of me expressing my love for something. They don't even try to understand, and it's heartbreaking. And then they wonder why i never open up to people. Because they treat me like shit!

>>4937068
Please tell me which version you bought.

>>4939697
Looks like it's this one. Can't find it though, sold out everywhere