/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>6691146
Animation industry totally sucks ass. I wish someone told me this before going abroad and believe the propaganda. It only works if you are the son of an important member of the local tiny hat society, going physically to a school only works for networking but be prepared as I have a few middle-aged colleagues that are still living month to month renting still an apartment with roommates. The salary is shit unless you are a psychopath, and if so you don't need to learn a shit as usually the most successful people dont do the work. I moved from animation to cfx as it's better paid and not soul-crushing. If you still want to learn and your parents support you, do it as a side gig. All the curriculum of the art school I went could be summarized in a few books.

Richard Williams - Animator Survival Kit (it is literally the curriculum that animation uses for three year programs and post graduates)
Gottfired Bammes - The complete guide to anatomy (curriculum for life drawing, reference John Singer Sargent as well)
James Gurney - Colour and Light (Useful for concept art and layouts)

If you have money get a medical grade skeleton model close to life size, go to your local art uni for life drawing, draw people in public spaces.
Animation is acting, be aware of that, be prepared to act your own shots as reference. You have to be confident of your acting skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwUvEsWwWt0

>>6691736
Thank you for your amazing post, senpai.

I have some questions:

What kind of animation did you work on? (feature film? TV? Primetime? Commercials?)

What role in the pipeline did you play?

Did Job satisfaction differ based on the role you played?

How happy / stressed were the storyboard artists there? (I wanna be one)

How likely am I to make friends with my coworkers? Is it a stifling competitive atmosphere?

Thanks in advanced

>>6691736
Sorry that this is kind of off topic, but are there any show creators and other animation artists who are rumored to be hard to work with or even sexual predators?

Thanks for the info btw.

>>6691779
>What kind of animation did you work on? (feature film? TV? Primetime? Commercials?)

Everything except commercials.

>What role in the pipeline did you play?
Currently I'm a 3d generalist, I did a bit of everything except the compositing meat grinder.

>Did Job satisfaction differ based on the role you played?

Absofuckinglutely, especially on the early grinding years. But I think it was more on the studio that I first landed that made me hate what I was doing as I got an asshole for boss that used to shout at our ears if he disliked a thing and made us stay longer after hours.

>How happy / stressed were the storyboard artists there?

Depended on the personality and neuroticism of each, the dudes I know one was super chill and the other one was bit of a neurotic faggot. Word of advice from my storyboarding professor think of the amount of work you will create for other artists, he mentioned he would frequently get free beers and lunch for making smart decisions that reduced the workload, such as unnecessary transitions and overly complicated movement that don't add anything to plot or composition, UNLESS it's been budgeted. Think of the sanity of everyone after you, they have less time than you do to do the shots.

>How likely am I to make friends with my coworkers? Is it a stifling competitive atmosphere?

This varies from studio to studio, how severely autistic you are and how many of your co-workers and sups are psychopaths, there are only psychopaths and spergs in this industry remember that.

>>6691795
> Sorry that this is kind of off topic, but are there any show creators and other animation artists who are rumored to be hard to work with or even sexual predators?
YES. They are hard to work because they try having a relationship with you, love to hate no in-between. Not everyone is like this but be aware they are fairly common, males and females. Just don't shit where you eat. They will use it against you to blackmail you if you are stupid enough

>>6691882
Excuse my incoming autism but this is something I'm also curious about.
Art school is definitely bullshit, but will people take interest in you if you're unable to say you have art school experience/connections you would've made in art school? Everything I've heard makes the industry sound like a clique, it feels like getting noticed on pure skill level alone without knowing anyone is difficult.
Could you elaborate more on the last part? What sort of things would they use as blackmail against you? Do they just threaten you or have they gone through with any of it? I'm very curious. Without powerleveling too much, of course. Thanks anon.

>>6691882
Good to know, but I was really wondering if you know anyone who is rumored to be a nightmare to work with. I was hoping you would name names.

>>6691914
>Art school is definitely bullshit, but will people take interest in you if you're unable to say you have art school experience/connections you would've made in art school? Everything I've heard makes the industry sound like a clique, it feels like getting noticed on pure skill level alone without knowing anyone is difficult.

It is indeed, but most I know that are true passionate skilled artists end up milked down by pure psychos that do the absolute minimum, most of these are bullshitters, I know a dude that ended up as supervisor for a renown AAA movie fx company. He missed classes, delivered free online resources as his own and got away with it, he couldn't model for shit, draw or anything related to the industry he works on, but cheers to that idiot I guess.
Industry is full nepotism, you'll see the daughter, cousin, slut of the CEO that ends up in higher position than the sperg, making reviews like "I'm not a technical person but I know something is wrong when I look at it" that gave the absolute everything for the company for 15 years. Don't stay in a company waiting for a raise. Jump in-between companies to raise your income.

>Could you elaborate more on the last part? What sort of things would they use as blackmail against you? Do they just threaten you or have they gone through with any of it? I'm very curious. Without powerleveling too much, of course. Thanks anon.
A male boss tried so hard to be intimate with a fren, upon resistance his boss became an asshole while doing reviews, to the point of threatening to fire him, so he quit on the spot.
Another fren received sexual remarks from a female co-worker, being the idiot he is, he replied back. He ended up being cancelled, even though his female co-worker started the whole thing. But presented her side of conversations as evidence, being the feminist world we live in, guess who they listened to.
I know a few more cases and experience some of this myself. Don't shit where you eat.

Comments like this make me happy that I only do art as a hobby...

>>6691942
>Good to know, but I was really wondering if you know anyone who is rumored to be a nightmare to work with. I was hoping you would name names.
That doesn't help anyone, not in this industry. As the Industry has a very short attention spam, they'll forget the offenses soon and act as nothing happened in a few years. It will only punish poorfags and reward the assholes in charge, it won't change a thing specially if its a multimillion dollar firm. See what happened on WETA, I haven't seen resolution on that either, and that affected people I know, and trust me every studio has this issues, the bigger and the more corporate the studio is, the worse this issues become, but still happens in small studios. So as I stated before. Animation industry sucks ass (quite literally sometimes).

The main thing that happens, is that in most if not all of those countries that allow these big corporate names, fail to protect artists as there are no unions for them. If you wonder why most anim and fx studios moved out of the US to other countries (look closely to the common wealth) this is the reason why, cheap unprotected labour on countries with the shittiest housing market but that's for another thread.

>>6691980
Cheers mate I still wonder why I didn't study medicine or IT rather than going for the animation meme but here we are. At least I'm going to give producing my own anims in-house a try. This is why if you guys want to do animation the only thing I could suggest is learn and try to produce for you, not for some greedy shits. I you could see the actual numbers, the spread sheets studios manage you would see that your average artist receives a small tiny miney percentage compared to the supervisor, the producer, managers, etc. It's literally crumbs, money that is not properly and justly divided based on labour. A studio is really just a fabric production line, but with highly and technical trained artists. You wont get a cubicle, you'll get shills promoting open work spaces that blend the line between a fabric and a studio. You'll get better doing your own productions if you plan ahead smartly on how to achieve with less capital to waste than a multibillion company. It's a complete waste of money, very corporative environment where I saw literal daily reviews of 50 iterations of the same shot for the supervisor pick up the first one.

I have two questions:
1) Do companies/studios pay for the equipment animators use, such as drawing tablets, drawing software, etc?
2) How dangerous is it to express a political opinion that differs from the leftist politics you often see in the animation industry?

>>6692033
>1)
yes
>2)
not dangerous. no one talks about politics at work. spend less time online.

>>6692033
>muh politics
this is why you retarded npcs get into the shitter. You can't talk about anything other than politics.

>>6692033
You can’t. You’ll get labeled. Specially in the common wealth. You can’t say shit about politics that go against the agenda. It feels almost like a cult.

>>6692258
What is the Commonwealth?

>>6692513
Any country other than the UK that recognizes Charles III as their king, such as Canada and Australia.

>>6691736
>cfx
What is that?

>>6692033
>I wonder how freaking based will I be allowed to be in the water cooler talk before I get cancelled on twitter
That's what you really care about? Out of all the other real life important things you should worry about while looking for a job. That's what you really care about?
You're not gonna make it

>>6692033
1- Depends 2- Don’t. Anything can be used and twisted against you. Animation people LOVE gossip. They act nice but many are two-faced. A lot of clout chasers and ladder climbers. The less people know about you the better. Just shut up and work hard and you’ll get far.

>>6692641
stands for character/creature effects

>>6693510
>Animation people LOVE gossip. They act nice but many are two-faced.
that describes me. I would fit in with them

>>6693761
I love watching people be cannabilized by their own industry just as much as the next question.
>>6692033
To answer question easily go look up Matt Williames on Twitter.

>>6691736
I came here to make a post almost exactly like this. Idk if you are talking about Japan or Europe or America, but it's the same everywhere. Hopping from gig to gig with no job security while making ends meet in a big shittyass city, watching your veteran peers at the age of 45 living the same way you do now at 25.... it's disheartening. I still want to do animation, but "making it" is a monkey's paw wish that I think a lot of people here don't fully understand. For my friends i met in school still living in New York city, they live 4 to an apartment and they all have jobs at big name studios, one of them has had a steady job at BUZZFEED for years now, and they still live like they're about to be homeless. That story is not uncommon, and those were the success stories. for those people I met in school who weren't the lucky 15% who found a job right away, they moved back home and gave up with crippling college loans. If you want to fuck up your life FAST, drop everything and try to be an animator. Seriously might kill myself soon, I do not recommend being an animator

>>6692041
Your second point is wrong. Don't ever talk politics EVER unless you are a lefty, anything else, even centrist skepticism, you will get talked about behind your back and soft-blacklisted by your peers. It's just not worth it, just keep your head down and say "daaamn that's crazy," when the black diversity hire talks about some ragebait bullshit they saw on twitter

>>6693891
what do the people who flunked out of the industry do to pay off their art school loans?

>>6693510
>1- Depends
What do you mean?

>>6691146
You're better off just making coomer animation on twitter and make money off of patreon with your niche fetish

>>6691983
The funny part is that for the third worlders the shitty pay in first world perspective is kinda decent for their living quality. Just like my country is also a third worlder, but we get even poorer third worlders living off of literal minimum wage and work 6/7 days a week but could still send back enough money to their home country and build fucking multi-storey houses for their family back home.

>>6693904
Prostitution

>>6693891
This kinda made me glad that I have an engineering degree and just do art on the side. Though I'm making money as well from art so that's something.

>>6692033
>How dangerous is it to express a political opinion that differs from the leftist politics you often see in the animation industry?

Forget the animation industry, most industries and fields are this way. It proper decorum to keep your head down, because people will do almost anything to get ahead. Learn how to read the room and don't sperg out, especially if you're aren't leaning left.