/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

wanted to try learning loomis.
turns out im pre-pre-beg, as in, a child holding a crayon for the first time as I couldn't even draw a circle. This gonna be rough

>>6734556
People like to argue about loomis but I absolutely hate it, it's just a demoralization book for /beg/s

Is draw a box a beg meme or should I do it entirely. Was also thinking about Ctrl paint

I find myself almost completely unable to "draw what I want for fun" because I have no idea how to draw what I want without resorting to symbol drawing and shitty flat shapes yet. I have a feeling I'm ngmi like this, grinding fundies gets repetitive and I can't seem to get over the fear of "drawing wrong" whenever I try something outside of fundies. Any tips on building a less result-focus mindset and treating drawing as a continuous process where I have to produce shitty drawings anyway to maybe someday produce something that is slightly less shitty?
How do you draw when you don't want to draw or when you don't know what to draw? Is it literally just a question of discipline or is there something else I should try to keep in mind?

>>6734556
>turns out im pre-pre-beg, as in, a child holding a crayon for the first time as I couldn't even draw a circle
I'm in the same boat. It sucks a lot, but I really want to get through it.

I decided to might as well try to do it myself.
I fucked up the shading and ended up smudging everything, so I guess that's why it looked like a 3D model. This time I tried to flatten the shadows, but I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing since I have never colored anything digitally, any advice would be welcome. (I'm using procreate on an iPad btw)

>>6732888

What CSP brushes should I use to approach this section of the course?

Returned from a walk with my dog.
Redpill me on the 100 heads thing. I might do that but i don't think i got fundies to actually meaningfully derive stuff from drawing random people.

I learnt Loomis construction method a year ago but i don't think i recall it in its entirety and i don't feel like coming back for now.

>>6734601
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1712564
this one is my favorite to use for a pencil, feels pretty realistic imo, but it’s don’t to personal preference

>>6734561
I do see its merits, but only for those who are capable or at the point of drawing stable, consistent shapes and lines.
>>6734563
I don't know about you but I think we just have to grind lines and shapes, but also better ways to hold the pen/tool and controlling our arm. Though I am using a drawing pad so maybe i'm just gimping myself with an extra hurdle to overcome since it's slightly unnatural to me. But I do think we have to concede that our results will be shitty even if we can recognize that its wrong/weird. I can understand the techniques, and the logic to most stuff I just lack the mechanical/motor skill in my arm to actually follow properly. Something like, we gotta train our hand/arm to draw.

>>6734589
is this real?

>>6734639
>I can understand the techniques, and the logic to most stuff I just lack the mechanical/motor skill in my arm to actually follow properly.
Yeah yeah yeah, this too. Even if I think I see how something is supposed to be drawn, whenever I try to put it down on paper it comes out all wrong. Super frustrating. Hopefully it does get better soon, this strikes me as something that really has no other solutions than practice-practice-practice.
>better ways to hold the pen/tool and controlling our arm. Though I am using a drawing pad
I mostly draw on the couch with a hardcover sketchbook in my lap, wonder if that could be just adding on to my issues lol. But that's what the most comfortable for me, I feel to stiff at a desk and I don't really have the desk space to put my stuff down.

>>6734589
Holy fuck those thighs. Have more?

>>6734673
You're looking at it, right?
>>6734699
Yeah, but this is my best one so far. I could give you my twitter but I think you would be disappointed.

Do I lose anything if I just take a pic of my feet / hand for the first two exercises of keys to drawing? I just can't keep my extremities still while also focusing on drawing

>>6734741
ngmi

>>6734741
>Do I lose anything if I just take a pic of my feet / hand
Dignity.
But really though, you lose some depth and "3D feel" of your reference.

>>6734741
Post feet pic

Where's Esdeath

>>6734741
post your dick

>>6734778
Last time he posted he said he was trying to get into art school

Idk I was trying to do something poetic.

How's my anatomy?

i did a clean up of the thumbnail, but i feel like something got lost on the new sketch? its the last sketch before i start painting, so i want to know what looks off

>>6734823
better than whatever the demiurge thought up, how did that guy ever get a job?

>>6734825
The lines on the left are thicker giving it more SOVL.

WIP before I ink. The legs are a bit screwed up gotta fix those, satisfied so far.

>>6734832
forgot to crop

>>6734825
Not /beg/

>>6734833
brother
her legs are too long and her knees are too low
did you construct her body under the clothing? i hope you did

>>6734834
it's called beg & int

>>6734832
Very nice

>>6734687
Quick run through of what jumped out at me: Her left arm is completely missing, her boobs are sinking into her chest rather than resting on them so be sure to draw in the shape of the ribcage next time, her arm is way too thick compared to her torso which is too thin, her legs are too short compared to the rest of her body, her navel is too low down, and the back of her neck should be closer to her ear. That was a hell of a run on sentence but basically you need to study anatomy and proportions more.

its gobbo time

>>6734833
you know anon, you can fuck up the legs but you gotta fuck them up "correctly" as in you can make the lower legs longer and nobody will complain

>drawing on the right side of the brain
>vilppu
>looooooooomis
in that order?

Is this /int/ or /pro/?

>>6734873
it's clearly a bridge

>>6734835
yeah I did some construction underneath and she measures our correctly to 6.5 heads, I'll add the ref image.

>>6734863
replace right side with keys to drawing, swap loomis and vilppu
>>6734873
pro

>>6734835
>>6734876
I like the pose but my anatomy isn't good enough to decipher what's going on under the dress. Confused me a bit.

>>6734874
I love Raymond Hood's drawings so much. A comic or webcomic with his architectural proposals would rock.

>>6734625
Plan to finish? If not, I will.

>>6734876
>>6734885
yeah deciphering anatomy underneath clothing is difficult
even though different styles go for different proportions and exaggerations etc some relations and proportions are just universally necessary for beauty
it is only a rough guess on my part where exactly her hips are, but this should demonstrate the issue
keep in mind, its not like you are supposed to do such measurement while drawing
you would either construct the anatomy underneath rigorously enough for the proportions to be right or you would eyeball it with enough experience and intuition (and catch your own mistakes by haven an intuitive sense of proportions)

>>6734544
Thoughts? Am i gmi?

>>6734969
How could a thread full of begs objectively judge if you are ever gmi?

>>6734969
Loomis now, and if you are, more Loomis. And you will make it

>>6734975
No idea, didnt know where else to post

>>6734956
looking at this I think I should make the knees a little higher. Any other recommendations?

>>6734969
you ask if you are
>gmi
in a way a person would ask
>do i have talent?
gmi is what is attributed to people who put in effort to improve and that are on a trajectory that most definitely will lead them to success
you post one single picture, how could anybody possibly judge the trajectory your art skill is on?

>>6734984
consider shortening her skirt too, else her knees would be obscured by her skirt unlike in the ref

>>6734612
>Returned from a walk with my dog.
>Redpill me on the 100 heads thing.
No, you said you were going to draw after the walk.
So post a new drawing with timestamp or you get no other response.

>>6734991
two hours have passed and i have not drawn yet.
I will do it as of now but don't expect to see anything cool. I'm just gonna go with book exercises

>>6734563
>>6734677
Anyone got anymore tips on this? I really feel like I'm getting screwed over by the attitude/mindset way more than by the apparent lack of skill at this point, but I wouldn't know the first thing about actually fixing it. Seems like the psychological aspect is covered way less than the technical one, especially in terms of actual "best practices" or guidelines. I guess it's more of a general self-betterment thing so it might be somewhat outside the scope of this board, but it still directly relates to drawing in this case.

>>6734977
I already am but i guess more wouldnt hurt
>>6734986
I suppose i ment to say what i need to do to mi

guts face study

guts face study with reference, I have to poop out 3 more today for my self assigned study plan this week.

>>6734994
>>6734991
I might postpone it for tomorrow. Its pretty late already idk.
11pm.

>>6734563
>>6734997
Just power through those thoughts while you're actively drawing. Use the power of that mindset to tell you what's wrong with the drawing after you're done, then do another drawing.

Better quote from someone successful:
>“Nobody tells this to people who are beginners, I wish someone told me. All of us who do creative work, we get into it because we have good taste.
>But there is this gap. For the first couple years you make stuff, it’s just not that good. It’s trying to be good, it has potential, but it’s not.
>But your taste, the thing that got you into the game, is still killer. And your taste is why your work disappoints you.
>A lot of people never get past this phase, they quit.
>Most people I know who do interesting, creative work went through years of this. We know our work doesn’t have this special thing that we want it to have. We all go through this.
>And if you are just starting out or you are still in this phase, you gotta know its normal and the most important thing you can do is do a lot of work.
>Put yourself on a deadline so that every week you will finish one story. It is only by going through a volume of work that you will close that gap, and your work will be as good as your ambitions.
>And I took longer to figure out how to do this than anyone I’ve ever met. It’s gonna take awhile.
>It’s normal to take awhile. You’ve just gotta fight your way through.”
>― Ira Glass

But replace his goal of "one story per week" to something attainable for your drawing schedule. Don't set the goal too high, under-commit and over-deliver until it's a habit and more fun.

>>6734687
some suggestions brother, have her look at the viewer instead of the void
I also suggest taking the vilppu+stonehouse/morpho pill

Some sprites I did for cringe rpgmaker project.

i’ve drawn 20 skulls today and i already don’t want to draw anymore

>>6735051
NTA and im new, what book am i looking at for Morpho?
Also, Vilppu = Vilppu Drawing Manual, yes?
Love your style btw

drew a yugioh card i like.
needs cleaning up that i'll do tomorrow.

>>6735057
Reminds me of Black Souls

>>6735061
>>6735051
>>6735028
>>6734861
>>6734825
get the fuck out of /beg/

>>6735062
It's actually hilarious I get that a lot. I don't even copy that shit at all, it's just a funny coincidence.
I def see why people say it though when I draw shit like this too.

>>6735063
no

>>6735061
not /beg/, buzz off

>>6735063
>>6735066
is this not also /int/.
I'd say I'm /int/.

>>6734544
I'm always late to these kinds of threads but here's some stuff I did recently at an academic drawing/painting course I'm taking.

>>6735061
looks amazing, but the head looks a little bit unnaturally placed on the neck

>>6735051
https://youtu.be/UHmFbT8DPX8

>>6735069
I love the colors but the left eye, ouch, I feel that mistake if it was one, otherwise incredibly good.

>>6735069
this is another one I did

>>6735059
it's picrel
read it along with stonehouse's anatomy notes
for example, after reading about certain body part in stonehouse book, copy images from morpho
about vipppu, I'm talking about his video course, it's an old video series, you can find it in the video course thread

>>6735076
I once again, love your color work, but the hands just NOT being there, c'mon anon, you gotta TRY. Otherwise, once again, great work.

How do I know if I've graduated beg?

>>6735075
Thanks a lot, what do you mean about the left eye? Maybe I'm not seeing something.

>>6735070
yeah you're right.
it made more sense in the initial sketch but then the pose became more and more exaggerated as i painted it.

>>6735061
very cool
i hate to chase artists out of /beg/ because i think great artists provide valuable advice, but /alt/ might be more your speed for feedback and stuff

>>6735087
This, what actual advice can you possibly get here if you draw like >>6735061 besides something obvious like >>6735070
You basically just want to be the biggest fish in this small pond? Go be a small fish in the /alt/ pond and learn there.

>>6735077
that is way too advanced for a /beg/inner
i’d recommend morpho's simplified anatomy instead then moving up towards the one you posted

>>6734994
>>6735030
Ended up drawing something but its really bad.
its 11:30pm. I'll go work with the book now.

>>6735083
Just looks smudged like you messed up and said "fuck it", after looking at it more, it's not as bad as I thought but still noticeable to me.

>>6735076
That's lovely.

When drawing on a digital canvas what zoom-in % do you guys have it at? Do you draw at 100% zoom-in or around the 50-60% range?

>>6735028
The head is actually a little bit bigger than you contoured on the left. I think what you're missing is the back of the skull. Maybe compare with a front view of a skull online to see what I'm talking about. Otherwise good job anon and keep at it!

>>6735081
Sadly you have to post your work

>>6735087
>>6735090
What is /alt/? There's no such thread in the catalog.

>>6735096
I barely zoom-in. It just gets so fucking dumb when I see artist on like 400% zoom tracing over a line for 3 hours, how people do that shit I don't know. If anything it's best to be FAR away from the canvas, as your taught by most of the greats. But each person is different and you'll find what you work with best eventually.

>>6735096
If you use CSP you can go to Window -> Canvas -> New Window, and it will give you a cloned window that you can drag out and have it floating on top
I like to draw at like 150% and have the second floating window at like 33% so I can see both

>>6735081
>you know what symbol drawing is and you dont do it
>when somebody tells you your gesture / anatomy / lighting / composition / and so on... sucks, you know what they mean and you can consciously make an effort to improve in that area on your next image (instead of shitting out the same flawed garbage again and again)
>you have either hundreds of practice drawings of various subjects already done or alternatively you have a consistent routine of practicing that will get you there in the near future
>when somebody says "loomis" "drawabox" "insert meme here" you know of their respective pros and cons, whether you should focus on them or not and most importantly dont go down a rabbit hole of arguing about those subjects
>generally speaking you are resistant to /beg/ filters of all sorts
>including crab mentality, doomer mentality and so on
>your posts (with pictures) get 1-2 (You)s on average in a /beg/ thread, in any other thread you are either completely ignored or ridiculed

>>6735063
The guts head is 100% beginner

>>6735105
>in any other thread you are either completely ignored or ridiculed
I-I made it lads

>>6735058
stop drawing skulls, start drawing Libbys

>>6735087
>>6735090
I've been posting here for a couple years actually and the few times i post outside /beg/ i get directed back here, i just got comfortable posting here and ignoring the rest of the board. i suppose i only now graduated.
i also assumed /alt/ was for very "anime" anime art styles while what I'm going for is more painterly with a hunt of anime, like pic related.
will check them out.

>>6735101
dang looks like there hasn’t been a thread made for it. it’s the /alt/ernative style general with more /int/ and professional level art. i guess /draw/ is the closest thing to it now. sorry.

>>6735077
>>6735091
Thank you guys
Thought that i'd have to smash my head against Loomis again but those look better

>>6735110
That looks dead as fuck, dude is clearly low /int/ why are you kicking him off to a dead place?

>>6735105
>in any other thread you are either completely ignored or ridiculed
How could that be? Doesn't graduating from /beg/ mean your work is less laughable?

/int/ and above, but below /pro/, have only one place they belong to and that's discord

>>6735098
oh yeah, thank you will do

>>6735087
nigger it clearly says beg and int in the thread subject

>>6735121
Invite?

>>6735063
>I only want redlines from other begs
Fucking idiot.
Also you quoted some begs too alongside the good ones. Was that an accident or you just have really bad taste?

why do you niggas get so riled up at even suggesting anons branch out to other threads for more advice from people with a little more talent? it’s not like they have to stop posting here either god damn.

>>6735140
>it’s not like they have to stop posting here either god damn.
Saying to "get the fuck out of /beg/" implies stopping posting here...
And posting the same drawing across multiple threads is "6-month schizo behavior".

>>6735140
There are no people with more talent on /ic/, /alt/ is literally dead and /draw/ is a desert.

one guy posts an overworked painting and faggots come crawling out of their crab shells to argue about the exact cut off for /beg/ status

>everybody who argues about what is and is not /beg/ - is /beg/
>everybody who feels like their art or they themselves belong in /beg/ - is /beg/
>everybody who posts in /beg/ in order to feel like the big fish in a small pond - is /beg/ by virtue of having stagnated in their mentality as an artist
>you all are /beg/
>i am /beg/
now shut the fuck up and draw

>>6735152
It's funny because clearly the thread started with way more talented anons >>6734572 >>6734589 >>6734625 but no one seemed to care, bitching about this random dude and telling him to fuck off is so weird.

>>6735162
those are beg tier. not 'talented'.

>>6735165
The first and second are talented. Just need to develop their skills.

>>6735162
to be clear
this fag >>6734572 is tracing and either severely esl or actually low iq

>>6734889
>>6734873
>Raymond Hood
he could draw like THAT but was only remembered as an architect? fuck me i guess

Is this the /crab/ general?

>>6735147
You mean me, right?

>>6735069
>>6735076
Very nice, what course friend?

Begs cant even read the title of their own general

>>6734823
looks good

Did this instead of any actual practice today.
I swear to god i'll do better tomorrow. Hopefully this thing has some redeeming qualities(prolly doesn't)

>>6735149
I want to kill myself for not being more active during the covid era. Hell, /ic/ was arguably at its prime during the 2014-2019 years. Even with the absolute seething contrarianism this board had, there used to be some genuinely good artists that knew what the fuck they were doing.

Now the board's stuck in this post ai doomism faggotry, and the constant crabbing successfuly shoo'd most, if not all, actual decent artists.
There's like what? Four active generals besides this one? dad, fur, loli, and anime, while the rest might get necro-bump'd, lasting for literal weeks and making any discussion pointless.

>>6735177
Unfortunately it's a real life course in my third world country, not something online that I can recommend you, sorry friend

>>6735192
it's up to you to become the genuinely good artist who knows what the fuck he's doing

>The torso wasn't so bad
>Let's try the legs
>Now I think I have reached my limit, it's too hard

>>6735028
You have very little understanding of the eye
the zygomatic bone
and below
No biggie, you can easily fix this , look at a skull, temporal , eyehole arches , and zygomatic bones of the skull will prolly give you most bang for your buck but learn others if you wish
afterwards look at facial muscles, masseter (chew ) and those around the lips being the most important in my begginers opinion
lips do not fold at the edges of your piece , they are supposed to fold because it streches there when you open your mouth
nose could use some work but its not that bad , check out the cartilage of the nose and try and construct a nose out of it if you can, if not come back to it l8r or ignore it, maybe you can do withouth overlypedantic study, or maybe you cant I dont know
Your left eye (A2) is too big , the eye is inside the eyehole with the edges of the coniuctiva sticking out near tearducts and the lateral edges of the eyelids (Lateral meaning sideways in this context or away from the bodyes midline), surrounded by muscles about halfway in and then surrounded by coniuctiva , coniuctiva and the eyeball muscles are the padding filling the eyehole, when some nerves get damaged and it paralises your eyemovement muscles your eyes can sink in due to muscle atrophy, also starvation will do that.
The A1 is somwhere in the ball park but lacks shadows produced by the arches making the lit up upper eyelid POP
Also already mentioned before in your replyes - Guts is a chad not a chud, (your jawline is a bit wack)

Rimworld

>>6735140
It is up to us BEGS to sally forth once more onto the breach, and once more, and once more again, forevermore untill we finally reach a point where we are satisfied somewhat

You might know Something I dont so you might help me , I might know something you dont so I may help you, if neither can help eachother, somebody else might be able to, or maybe a pro or a decent int might stroll in here and hand out advice
If all is lost you can still practice (refer to the STICKY for ideas), do not shy away from trying it helped me even though i tought the excercise was shit .

Obese

>>6735217
I think Her right eye , i think needs to be closer to her nose somehow, it looks like she has eyes on the side of her face bruv /luv(whichever you prefer)
Prolly means shoting the eyebrows a bit
Try and play around in pohotoshop
Ps you could also play around with the width of her left eye but probably unneccesery.
There aint much a can do on my phone tho but something like this .
Otherwise . Erry noice

>>6735200
thanks for the detailed critique brother

>>6735217
Her right eye seems to be a bit to far to her right. Like it is on the side of her face bruv/luv ( whichever you prefer)
I cant do much in a phoneedditor but i will try and show what i mean
decide if i got it kindoff right in terms of eye position

>>6735217
If you're the guy from the last thread, when are you gonna actually try something else ? I think you have cute/sexy women line art down.

>>6735165
You're retarded if you think the guy you're bitching about is better than those previous ones.

>>6735061
love the hair

>>6734601
I-i-is that 'feeling' the form ;DD

>>6735253
I'm the guy from this thread, too. I sketched the 2 women fighting up top. I sketch the "guys who need big cocks", and I made the "1 butt cheek" coloring, too. Is the output too reductive?

>>6735237
Thanks for the tip. And don't worry, I sketched that on my phone so I know how limiting it can be. I will still try implement your advice through my phone. I will fix it.

>>6735286

mad misato, for some reasons anime is way harder to copy than realistic faces for me but could just be that she has an emotional expression here while most of the faces I study are neutral

>>6735305
flip your canvas

>>6735028
Did a quick paintover,Make those white of eyes grey, don’t forget the cheekbone , it pokes out to receive light, same with above the upper lip. To make your mouths better make the corners dark , I like to start with 2 dots then connect them , makes the illusion of dimension, otherwise good job!

Studies from a couple days ago, trying to feel the form again

>>6735314
looks way better, thank you. Yeah this was one of my first attempts at shading, but I learned a lot thanks to you and the other guy.

>>6735168
I wouldn't say that, that first bridge that was posted was drawn by Hugh Ferriss, rather famous illustrator for his time.
Check out "the metropolis of tomorrow"

this week's studies

>>6735361
oops

my main character for my manga called "Mr. Nobody".

In the manga "Mr. Nobody," war veteran Gabriel Varga's quest for vengeance leads him down a dark path, transforming him into an emotionless hitman. As his past catches up with him, a detective, his former captain, delves into the tangled web of murder and conspiracy, setting the stage for a thrilling cat-and-mouse game that tests the limits of morality and redemption.

>>6735364
technically competent
morally generic

>>6735363
How do you feel about your improvement? Do you like your drawings?

>>6735217
her left arm and thigh look kinda short
don't be afraid to make the knee straight when the leg bends
also, if she's that thicc she needs some gud pair of big fat tiddies

maple story fanart for fun

>>6735372
How long did it take for dat redline cuz it actually sux.

>>6735384
this thread is retarded, you're retarded

>>6735384
feel free to try

>>6735365
wtf does that mean?

>>6734544
I think mgonna need some fundies

>>6735390
Try what? The other guy did a better job at fixing the drawing.

The redline is a hot nasty fucking mess. Low grade fetish porn

>>6735400
It means the drawing looks good but everything about it and what you wrote is aggressively generic

>>6735410
>>6735400
but also you draw better than me so what do I know, maybe I'm a crab

>>6735372
If she has no bra on, why are her tits smashed together?

>>6735420
it can happen depending of the volume of the breasts
and it's not a frontal view

>>6735423
That's an anime character.

>>6735428
So's the original?

>>6735428
your point? that is a stylized character too

>>6735423
hot, post the full thing! >:D

>>6735430
The original is actually accurate. The redline's not supposed to fuck it up. That's my point.

10 min too long.

>>6735441
also a ribcage smaller than the pelvis

studying the iconic maple story designs

Why are there so many fucking crabs today

>>6735459
why don't you draw?

>>6735459
I just found out what they call crabs in Japanese, I'm team crab now

>>6735459
it's probably the same dude who had a meltdown with /int/s early on

The crabs are crabbing the crabs

>>6734251
I hate trees but it's too late to change my story to take place in a dessert

>>6735456
Good work anon

>>6735464
That faggot that kept losing his shit over the sticky and other people's work being in the OP? Yeah, it's probably him.

Hello beg. Drawing foreshortened people is massive bitch.

>>6735459
summer. kids arent in school, so they have extra time to crab
>>6735456
based hard square brush user
>>6735401
yeah you need a bit of keys to drawing
>>6735364
the drapery is weak, the rest is decent. thumb up
>>6735140
many people think crabs are only negative jerks who insult you and or your art. Wrong. There is way more dangerous insidious type of crabs. Unlike usual crabs which just make the drawers stop drawing these FALSELY COMPLIMENTS your stuff. This makes you think your beg doodle is actually good. That is the worst thing which can happen to a beg: imagine spending years doodling the same low quality shit, not improving at all and just thanks to a crab who keeps nodding: yup yup thats the shit.

Be very wary anons, dont trust every single compliment blindly. Always analyze if the praise was even deserved.
>>6735096
you never want to zoom closer than 100%. Going past 100% is wasted effort on details nobody will be able to see anyway + it produces blurred results. Make canvas big enough so you never have to zoom more. I usually just draw on 100%. The only time i draw zoomed out is when i am commissioned to make full page illustration where the target resolution is bigger than my monitor. Then i zoom to 100% and go little by little on canvas, fixing whatever looks goofy
>>6735081
if you have to ask then you havent graduated yet
>>6735076
>>6735069
that is very pretty. i kneel tradchad
>>6735061
you really need to start making more hard solid edges imho. but it has soul and style
>>6734969
>PYWed, tradchad, face has correct proportions, STYLIZED lips, nose is okay (super unusual for begs), hair shows forms
i dont believe you are complete novice, this shows signs of previous art training. So yeah, you have "talent"
>>6734861
you need keys to drawing, if for nothing else the few pages about perspective will do you well
>>6734825
it losts a lot of emotions , try to not ditch outlines like that

Do you guys like my watercolor?

>>6735497
>Drawing foreshortened people is massive bitch
yeah I bet it's extra hard when you don't know how to fucking figure draw

>>6735498
that's sick dude, I'm making this my phone wallpaper

>>6735498
That's AI

>>6735498
looks nice bro
don't let the crab see it

>>6735410
well i heavily summarized the plot. and also chatgpt condensed it for me (i wrote an uncoherent mess of a plot, but gpt cleaned it up for me). the actual full synopsis is much much more interesting and less cliche. i'd describe Mr. Nobody has the HBO show "Barry", mixed with the manga "Sakamoto Days", and the manga "The Fable".

>>6735498
Hot wheels

>>6735369
when I finish something, yeah, which has been a long time

I'm just trying to not drop the ball until I decide I want to finish something. why do you ask?

>Can do studies of heads alright, and can copy them
>Been having trouble just doing them from imagination
>Try and keep landmarks in mind, make sure to use construction, etc
>Looks off
>Get annoyed after a while and just eyeball it while still keeping a few things in mind while using minimal construction
>Still looks a little off but better

This is some bullshit

Hello. How do I turn this rectangular around its axis so I can draw a circle diameter of which would be the length of rectangular?

>>6734544
Working on a tree of life tattoo. Can’t for the life of me decide how I want to do the leaves with the established style. Thoughts on it so far?

>>6735554
I'm doing this thing from Norling.

Sorry if this isn't the appropiate thread but uh...
Man, I really want to get into drawing, particularly figure drawing, but I never tried as a young man, is it possible for me to achieve great stuff through a lot of practice? What do you guys think?
And if so, could you perhaps recommend some books/courses?

first draw in months

i used to scoff at girls with flower tattoos

now i’m realizing just how beautiful it is what nature can produce

>>6735568
I recommend you look at Alphonso Dunn’s videos on flower drawing. You have the style and idea established but it’s very flat and formless. It would look 1000x better with some shape

https://youtu.be/jJaGr5imH-k

>>6735562
>is it possible for me to achieve great stuff through a lot of practice?
Of course.
>books/courses
Brent Eviston.

>>6735162
>>6735166
Thanks

>>6735167
Why do you believe it is traced?

>>6735570
thanks i’ll watch this now as i go to sleep!

>>6735573
I'll look into it, thank you so much.

>>6735288
I have no idea wtf any of that is. But those labels sound gay af.

If you drew the the 2 bitches from earlier in this thread, than props. Keep grinding.

>>6735556
I feel like there should be more symmetry between the roots and the branches. Also, I see what you're trying to do with the roots forming an inverted heart, but it looks inorganic.

>>6735594
Yeah the heart is because the person wants it like pic related. How do you think it can look more organic ?

>>6735196
After hours of studying I think I got a little progress.

critique to better show off this epic boyo please.

>>6735613
Really nice and defined. Could change the color of the river? It blends in with the clouds. Unless this is set in the sky? Maybe darken the dragon's underside a little.
Personally, I would like to see a little more hues of green and foliage. And also some flavoring colors.
Really well done. Good job.

>>6735613
The underside folds of the dragon's neck should be curved to follow the cylindrical form of the neck. Good colors and atmospheric perspective.

help me with this anons

>>6735549
No reason, just seen your art around town.

>>6735649
wheres his hand holding the donut

>>6734556
the first lesson of drawabox is about learning to draw lines, circles and holding the pen. Give that a try maybe

>>6734544
a small collage of some of my artwork. Please give me critique. I have a serious problem only being able to draw the POV shown in the top right corner. All the other drawings not in that POV are hard for me to draw.

Ive been drawing seriously for like 4 years, barley learning art right. Almost entirley self taught. I am a stubborn bitch and it physically hurts me to study anatomy normal. Still, tell me to do that.

>>6735667
>the first lesson of drawabox is about learning to draw lines, circles and holding the pen
Drawabox is very particular about how you're supposed to sit, how you're supposed to hold the pen, how you're supposed to move your arm even, and what you're supposed to use, too. I personally find it rather oppressive, even if they do (probably) have the best intentions in mind.

Mikkelsen

>>6735673
study proper anatomy or at the very least study an anime artist that draws semi realistically with proper proportions.
sticking to muh style and just doing whatever is the quickest way for a beg to stagnate.
the best cartoonist and heavily stylized artists have an excellent grasp on anatomy so they know exactly what to exaggerate and skew, i.e stylize.

Mikkelsen

study from frazzeta

>>6734461
Thanks

>>6735683

it looks pleasant.
not much critique but if i had to I'd say you made his lower jaw too high, his chin should be a little lower.
good job.
>>6735687
very nice, i do suggest you study a bigger figure/painting.

I dont know which canvas size im supposed to use.
Im drawing on an ipad air 5 and the default size is 1640 x 2360, is that good/bad? how do I even know?

>>6735674
peter han

>>6735613
that's a wyvern not a dragon

i can't into lineart

>>6735762
The government doesn't want you to know, but you don't have to do lineart

>>6735774
how do i go about that? i feel like without lineart things became a jumbled mess of colors without clear edge or maybe malformed shapes even though it looks fine in sketch

>>6735613
you might want to make your wyvern look like it's actually being hit by sunlight at the top and ambient light at the bottom because right now it kinda looks like it's in a neutrally lit room

>the middle line on the ball is the brow line
>no wait actually it's in the middle of the eye socket
someone explain this to me please

i drew saria

>>6735813
eyeballs = middle of the face
brow = middle of entire noggin

>>6735815
the proportions are chibi tier which isn't my cup of tea but I think it's cute nonetheless

>>6735813
Loomis aint gotta explain shit

>>6735305
my alcoholic wife

>>6735463
How did Pharrel get away with this?

>>6735821
Yes, I know, that wasn't my question

>>6735823
he certainly doesn't

Practicing heads

>>6735813
loomis is a coloring book for kids

>>6734544
I don't wanna draw I just wanna get good. How do I do that?

>>6735898
by drawing

>>6735562
pick your beg book

two sketches, the one on the right is a shitpost based on the netflix live action cowboy bebop show lol
The only major flaw I spotted on the left one is that the right forearm is way too short, left hand might look a bit too round too
the one on the right is fucking ugly lol, left eye look more sunk in than the other because i did harsher shading on the lower eyelid.

>>6735696
please respond

Reminder that if you plan on doing anime drawings dont read those dumb fucking books but start copying illustrations and poses straight away

>Recommended: Andrew Loomis books (all of them except for “Fun with a pencil”, which is a beg trap)
What did the sticky mean by this????? I thought Fun with a pencil was a good starting point???? How is it a trap?????

>>6735815
very soulful. The head is much more detailed than the rest of the body, which is fine, but it makes it look like it's "tacked on" a bit imo. I really like your colors!

Whats the best way to add lineweight? Is there anything else im missing?

>>6735955
>>6735954

>>6735961
>>6735954
>if you plan on doing anime drawings dont read those dumb fucking books but start copying illustrations and poses straight away
That's the real beg trap as far as I'm concerned.

>>6735959
>Is there anything else im missing?
thicker where parts are touching

>>6735968
oh yeah thanks

>>6735959
Thinner at parts that are farther away, to simulate atmospheric perspective

>>6735976
Yeah but I cant really use that when all of the parts are at the same distance

Can I draw with a mechanical pencil instead of a "regular" one? Will overhand grip for making lighter lines still work, or should I just hold it higher up, or something else?

Drawing is very tedious and unrewarding. Art servers are better for grooming unstable teen girls imo.

>>6735981
So make them not at the same distance??

>>6735984
...WHAT?

>>6735904
The description for The Art and Science of Drawing sound like exactly what I need, too bad I'm completely broke. Could anyone help a brother in need out?

>>6735984
if you don't enjoy the process of art you shouldn't be making art.
if you don't enjoy the physical act of putting pen to paper and giving form to your vision, yet still decide to dive into the medium of drawing because of something superficial like twitter clout or something. well that'd be very very stupid.
there are much better ways to make money and become popular than art, of that's all you're in for then honestly quit right now.

>>6735982
I use the staedtler mars technico and works like a damn charm. And yes, you can do overhand grip no issue
not a mechanical pencil tho, its a lead holder so kinda related but doesnt completely answer your question

>>6735994
>if you don't enjoy the physical act of putting pen to paper and giving form to your vision
I enjoy this part. I'm just usually very unsatisifed with the end result.
But the sensation of fucking around on paper is neat.
When i was a kid i used to just spend hours filling printer paper with spirals. Such a satisfying shape.

>>6735998
>not a mechanical pencil tho, its a lead holder
Potato-potato, it's a wide mechanical pencil. Thanks. Looks like a cool middle ground between mechanical and regular pencils actually, maybe I'll pick one up as well.

>>6735994
on the discords I can play dumb and be tutored by a 14 year old girl. But I am not interested in her drawings. I am interested in using and controlling her.

>>6736004
posts like this can get you IP range banned just fyi

>>6736004
r9k is two blocks down
we don't care about your cassanova exploits with underaged girls.
Post drawings or GTFO

>>6736004
Unironically kill yourself, really, do it right now. Run to your daddies secret gun drawer and put it against your temples, pull the trigger.

>>6736004
Based, make sure to marry her though

Sam stewing up some coneys in Ithilien

>>6736004
make sure to impregnate her and marry ofc

>>6736002
If you plan on getting that same lead holder, you should get also the lead sharpener for ease of life, the one that looks like a miniature garbage bin with a chimney lmao

>>6736004
Holy based, normalfaggots be seething.

>>6735954
Don't listen to this anon. You have to have at least a basic understanding of construction and be able to draw a realistic face. Every good anime artist can also draw a realistic face and body. Once you have some fundies under your belt go ahead and start copying anime.

>>6736054
you dont need to sharpen lead holders. you arent going to be doing detail work with them. they are for doing the groundwork. come in with a 0.3 or whatever lead once you have the basic shapes and use that pencil for your detail work. or you can do most of image with the lead holder and then ink over it. you arent going for the detailed image and final pencils with a lead holder, so having sharp, hard to erase lines defeats the purpose. its more a trap to get people to buy it thinking they need it.

>>6735781
Not this guy but does anyone have the answer to this? I prefer more painterly shit no lineart but cant wrap my head around this

Following along the Vilppu demonstration into 5 10s gestures and the rest are 2 minute ones.
the 10s ones feel impossible

>>6736093
I ended up learning lineart lol, still not perfect but its not offensive

>>6736093
to be more painterly you must be well versed in shapes, shading, and light.

>>6734544
if I am a complete pre-beg, is it worth trying to practice gesture drawing along learning basic 3D stuff like boxes (plan to do the first three of DAB) and perspective or should I leave it for later??

>>6736110
>is it worth trying to practice gesture drawing along learning basic 3D stuff like boxes (plan to do the first three of DAB) and perspective
I don't see why not, it's 100% worth it, as long as you have enough time in the day to meaningfully practice both.

>>6736110
Definitely. I wish I had done gesture when I started now I do them whenever possible coz my lines are stiff asf

>>6736148
Unironic and I swear to god Im not even memeing with this question
how do you guys get non-stiff and expressive (gestural? is that even a word?) lines when drawing digitally?
I can seem to ONLY be able to achieve such lines while using an overhand grip.... which is only possible if drawing traditionally, and not when handling a stylus.

was busy so this is the only one i did yesterday and i didn’t even get a chance to post it but here’s head number 7

did more construction on this one even though i erased it, it definitely helped

>>6735028
IMO you would be better off copying the manga's panels at your stage than a more complex 3d render.

>>6734544
Can you provide some critique for my piece?

>>6736164
Who is this?

>>6736196
No one, I just drew from imagination while listening to some youtube video

>>6735955
now I am confused as well, the old sticky recommends fun with a pencil, completed one doesn't mention it and the new says not to use it.
so which is it?

>>6736159
Practice and experience. It's all about the S and C shaped curves. Knowing where your lines start and ends also helps.

alright what we thinking lads

>>6736241
Made her look like Masie "Quasimodo" Williams with that glabella.

>>6736242
bro im cringing so hard i cant, i love everything ive done but this face is haunting me, i even just tried tracing and it still looks bad, does it look ok with no eyes?

Why does my gf keep calling my drawings ugly

>>6736247
smells like jewish genes

I got into drawing when I was in 5th grade, I'm 24 now. My progress has always been slow, I've always been a lazy procrastinator. I never really learned to love the process, but giving up on it is too scary. I know I'm depressed, but it's not like depression is gonna go away any time soon, so how do I get myself to improve in the meantime? I'm tired of feeling demoralised by everything I make.

>>6736247
the skull is unnaturally shaped

>>6736271
>how do I get myself to improve in the meantime?
just draw and pyw

>>6734825
Line weight.
The lines are kind of bad overall, but the sketchiness hid it somewhat, and it was genuinely more expressive.
Maybe you intend to fix it later, but that's definitely one thing lost between these two versions.

>>6736279
Ok, though most of the time I can only make quick scribbles and I don't think I can get a lot of good criticism from those.

>>6736290

>>6736295

>>6734885
>my anatomy isn't good enough to decipher what's going on under the dress

>>6735596
If this is for somebody else, then it can't be helped. I just wouldn't do it, because it looks unnatural.

>>6735069
>>6735076
This whole style is going to be obsolete because it's too easy for AI to master it.

>>6736247
bc she has eyesight

>>6736163
it feels like the more i draw the more pain fully aware i am of how ugly they are, don’t know how to fix it so i’m just gonna keep drawing

i do think i’ve improved a little since the first head though

>>6735562
Yeah, definitely. It's easier to learn as a child, but it's not too late until the dementia hits.

>>6735498
Fix the hand, the skull and the larger background cross, and you could probably pass this off as human-made.
Oh, and the background circles. A human would either use a compass to make a perfect circle, or make the lines looser.

>>6734885
Winging it.

Grinding fundamentals and I'm great at drawing straight lines at a 45 degree going to the right. While 45degrres to the left I can't even draw a centimeter straight line without wobbling.

I've realized that it's because of the difference in biomechanics of the 2 movements. When drawing diagonaly to the right, you perform the motion primarily by rotating your shoulder, or pulling your arm back with your rear delts while rotating. This is a very smooth stable motion with like 3 different muscles stabilizing it. (I'm /fit/)
When drawing diagonaly to the left, the motion is controlled entirely by your front delts, and your side delts have to stay perfectly still or else your arm will shift up and down the page.
Additionally, the front delt moves your arm in a pretty sharp arc, so your hand actually moves upwards away from the page ur drawing on during the motion, and you have to extend at the elbow to keep your pencil in contact with the page.

Why not just rotate the paper to draw in your strongest direction? While actually drawing yeah do that, but I think it's important to practice lines in your bad direction because drawing a smooth ellipse requires moving through a full range of motion. At some point during an ellipse, ur gonna be using that front delt motion, and that's probably where most ellipses go wrong.

Just some thoughts from a software engineer trying to learn art by progressively mastering the core fundamentals.

>>6736299
I want to die

I started digital. Is there a reason in terms of skill improvement to learn actual penwork? You can do it anywhere which is why i'm interested.

>>6736332
Waiting for feedback

>>6736328
>Grinding fundamentals and I'm great at drawing straight lines at a 45 degree going to the right. While 45degrres to the left I can't even draw a centimeter straight line without wobbling.
How about you rotate the canvas?

>>6736290
Lesson one: Resize your pictures.
Other than that, I think these look cool.

>>6736328
>At some point during an ellipse, ur gonna be using that front delt motion
The upside is that if you just practice ellipses, you'll also be training the diagonal line muscles.

>>6736314
>draws 8 heads
>thinks they already see improvement
This is why I suggested you post every 25th drawing

>>6736311
>>6736277
C'mon Elaborate

Bought some fancy Faber Castell pencils and uh, they just feel like normal pencils.

What are some art supplies where the best version of that product is actually tangibly better than the average. Like at least 50% better than the average option

>>6736332
Puparia?

>>6736410
>What are some art supplies where the best version of that product is actually tangibly better than the average.
Idk if Staedtler is considered the best (it is among the best in my country at least), but all their supplies are really solid, I especially like the erasers.

>>6736332
What are you trying to do ? How do we critique , you barely have a finished sketch , just messy lines

>>6735797
sure, mind doing a paintover? I think I know how I'll do it, but wouldn't mind seeing your approach.

>>6736416
Yeah but my point is, a staedtler eraser is not 50% of more better than a random eraser I can get at a bookshop is it?

>>6736435
It is in my experience. I've had a lot of really shitty erasers.

>>6736419
I know and I said as much >>6736290
I'm doing what I can, just tell me whatever you want, even that you don't care about it.
>>6736414
Puparia

Why do my 10 minute "gesture drawings" look way way more stiff than my 2 minute ones? Is it because I'm trying to be more detailed and lose sight over the whole?

I find myself using long continuos quick lines in my 2 minute gesture drawings, in the 10 minute ones I tend to use smaller ones to get the detail I want I think.

>>6736325
Damn. How do you just *do it*? Like , this looks so good, wtf, and this is "just winging it". It's not even a finished thing, just some random anatomy, and yet the form is so good.
did you really have to mark the nipples and the navel though

>>6736439
You clearly don't want to draw and improve, but you only seek attention and validation of your existence. Try social media or Discord.

>>6736456
I have years of experience under my belt. I said I'm winging it, because I think it's not very correct. I feel the legs shouldn't be this massive compared to the upper body, but it might just be a trick of perspective (or me not getting it right).
The forms *look* good because of the segmented elipses that show perspective.

What's wrong with the nipples and navel though? I thought that would be helpful landmarks.

I'll fix the reflection later

>>6736457
Isn't the point of improvement to make the things you want and receive validation for it?

>>6736466
No, the point of improvement is to better one's art. Validation is a completely different thing and it doesn't have to involve art at all.

>>6736460
>I have years of experience under my belt.
>The forms *look* good because of the segmented elipses that show perspective.
I kneel. This is everything I strive to be and more.
>What's wrong with the nipples and navel though?
Nah, nothing wrong, I'm just joshing since it's "erotic".

Finally finished something for once. Copied reference. Took about 15 hours. I can definitely focus for far longer which is good.

>>6736488
15 hours? damn

>>6736468
I'm just doing what >>6736279 said

>>6736499
It was more closer to 20 but I was goofing off too much which artificially lengthened the amount of time I was drawing.

>>6736447
What do you even do for 10 minutes, when you draw gesture? 10 minutes is full fledged figure drawing territory. I do 30 sec gesture, then 2 minutes and them construction

>>6736163
>>6736314
im pretty busy and behind multiple fucking schedules, ill catch up with you shortly
in the mean time, you need to start straining and developing a sense for the masses of the face

you need the knowledge of what makes faces appealing / pretty / cute / grizzled / feminine / masculine / etc

you need the skill and precision to depict exactly that

and you need the knowledge and a trained eye for constructing / deconstructing faces (heads) into their important, big parts

i dont want to encroach on your studies, but i want to suggest you use one of these refs sprinkled inbetween your self-chosen refs. for example chose one of these randomly and check them off the list every even-numbered drawing you do.

if you choose to do so, try keeping the following in mind while drawing them:
dont try to make them pretty (making things pretty and subtle is covered by your references, and it is a very difficult thing to achieve for all artists)
instead, go absolutely wild. make big, exaggerated shapes, draw the wrinkles too strong, the noses extremely curved, the brow on the monkeys over the top cave man like - and so on

what you are looking for and trying to decipher is very subtle in your studies, but in these pictures, the facial features are very strong and clearly to see even for beginners. it might give you a "taste" of what your perception of faces will become once you have a deeper understanding of facial structure. and you will be able to spot the structure even in subtle, round, perfectly lit, make-up covered pretty faces.

and even though we dont see wrinkles and prominent brow ridges in those pretty asian people, the knowledge of where all those features *should* be, will help you make precise judgements on the actual, minimal lines that describe facial features.

>>6736517
>What do you even do for 10 minutes, when you draw gesture?
NTA but with how much I'm fixing erasing and redrawing that sounds like about the correct amount of time.

>>6736244
I say keep the eyes but maybe try making the iris a little bigger. Also like how you show volume, very nice and convincing. Light source is pretty clear and good. Maybe try a little more variety in color. Usually in an outside setting light is warm and shadows are cold. Obviously this will vary a little bit on a case-by-case basis but it may be a good thing to keep in mind. I guess whether or not you take this advice is advice depends on your style and what you want to achieve, but here it is.

>>6736163
>>6736314

also, a bit less important, you seem to be going for a clean look and fine lines
even though that is important to achieving appealing nice faces in the long run - dont be afraid to draw lines around the nostrils or following the lips. even if it ends up looking less appealing - it will make you think harder about the shape of the face.
after all, you are practicing and not making finished pictures.
practice like this is less "drawing" / "making pictures" but more *visual note taking*.

when taking notes in school, at work, or for your shopping list, or making a sketch of how a car accident happened that you were involved in to be shown to the police and solve insurance disputes - you are just jotting down important information. you dont care about your handwriting or how pretty the sketch is.
think of quick studies like these as taking notes only with lines instead of with written text

>>6736527
It's better to do 5 gestures in 10 minutes, than to redo 1 gesture 1000 times in the same time. Get a timer and condition yourself to see the gesture and draw the lines in 2 minutes

>>6736540
>It's better to do 5 gestures in 10 minutes, than to redo 1 gesture 1000 times in the same time.
Even if those gestures end up crooked, wrong, and not at all following the model? Is the pure mileage really more valuable than spending time to do it right, even with all the mistakes?

>>6736548
Gesture is not supposed to look like the mode. It's supposed to only show the feeling of the pose of the model. Gesture is only the first step of figure drawing. You are supposed to make it look like the model in the latter steps.

>>6736561
>It's supposed to only show the feeling of the pose of the model.
Yeah that's what I meant.

I'll try practicing gesture today for first time (as a complete retard beg) anyway, if I want to draw anime, I should still do gesture study from real people right? from one of those pages like quickpose and stuff...

btw don't bully but how does gesture translate into a full drawing? do you use even use it when you're going to make an ilustration (like idk, doing the gesture of the reference or something) or is it more for muscle memory so you can "feel" stuff and the like

>>6736577
You could try doing 30 seconds poses, trying to capture the essensse of the pose in as few strokes as possible first. Sorry only have paint and mouse right now. Force your brain to only look at the most important details.

>>6736502
This is completely legit. The problem is that you then take things further and get depressed when people don't validate you.
Drop that part and you will live a better life.
Validation will eventually come with the gains. It's just not gonna happen over night.

>>6736616
>>6736616
new one
>>6736616

a lil MS paint warm up

>>6736508
Your margin of error is how long it usually takes me to draw a similar pic.
Nice work nonetheless anon.

Warmed up with this thing.
Pretty bad but better than what i recall being capable of creating.
Gmi. Now time to copy some stuff upside down.
Anyone got that german horseman drawing on hand?

>>6736247
Nvm after some time away that shi looks disgusting

How do I learn to draw basic shapes?

>>6736300
kek underrated

>>6734601
Rough pencil.
You don't need meme brushes.

>>6735498
That's 100% AI generated.
It's fucked up that people here are falling for it.

>>6735673
Try spending more than 5 minutes on your drawings.

Guys, i think im gmi
i started drawing heads 2 weeks ago and i already made it to something like this (before i was too ashamed to draw them but not it actually feels good)
becoming good enough to not constantly want to kill yourself while drawing is so wonderful im crying
I CAN MAKE IT

>>6737944
I mean he could just be replying to himself to give his posts more more apparent legitimacy.