If a beginner traced how good would the outcome be?

[Anonymous No.3905054]

Let’s say a beg wanted to trace up an “oc” character from tracing alone. Would the end result be decent?

Example

Make a pose on doll design or a picture and trace it. Find eyes, hair, cloths and accessories form multiple and different pictures. And trace them onto the pose trace... thus constructing a Frankenstein type monster of traced parts.

How good could it possibly turn out?

Can a complete noob bust out some decent stuff?

[Anonymous No.3905066]

Usually when noobs trace it's pretty obvious. Even when """""""""""""pros"""""""""" trace it's obvious. Stupid question.

[Anonymous No.3905077]

>>3905054
why don't you give it a try and show us

[Anonymous No.3905079]

Depends on there eye for putting stuff together and making it look pleasant I suppose.

[Anonymous No.3905098]

I'd prefer an unrefined style & lacking technique than any soulless Frankenstein. If you trace as a /beg/ it will be incredibly obvious and the result will still be technically bad. Embrace your mistakes and learn from them.

[Anonymous No.3905099]

>>3905098
>>3905066

Let’s see some of these obvious traces. I don’t think I could tell just by looking at the line art if it was traces or not.

[Anonymous No.3905106]

>>3905054
If a beg traced digitally 100% would end up awful because begs have no idea how to do digital drawing if it was on paper it would probably turn out fine if you took a week finding good ref to trace shorter if you ref less stuff

[Anonymous No.3905114]

>>3905099
Generally it's when there's a disperancy between the artist ability to draw a realistic body and their ability to do anything else.
Pic related.
>Lines mysteriously falling perfectly into place with no sense of lineweight, form or construction. Terrible folds, crosshatching and when there's information missing suddenly they don't now how to draw, hence the misformed dick.

[Anonymous No.3905262]

>>3905114
Makes sense but then wouldn’t you have to see more of the artist works to come to this conclusion?

>>3905079
Like if one guy can put together a picture better? ”This hat would work with this hair” sort of thing? If a person has a bad scene of how things are put together they would do worse i guess.

Is there such a thing as an advanced tracer compared to a beginner tracer? Or does it all yield the same results?

[Anonymous No.3905282]

>>3905054
>>3905066
>>3905077
You should see Lucas's video on it, it changed my mind of tracing, although there is a difference between heavy reference and tracing the entire contour of the image all togther
https://youtu.be/3nJJ5r0kOy4

[Anonymous No.3905283]

>>3905282
He’s not tracing tho

[Anonymous No.3905302]

>>3905262
>Makes sense but then wouldn’t you have to see more of the artist works to come to this conclusion?
Not really, it's absolutely evident if you take into account the greentexted quote and that drawing in front of you.

[Anonymous No.3905312]

>>3905054
It’s obvious when a /beg/ traces, anon. They rely on the reference too heavily and haven’t developed enough as an artist to draw well from imagination. There are no shortcuts to giting gud.

[Anonymous No.3905318]

>>3905262
If that’s what you’re going for, you should learn how to photobash instead of tracing. Though, things will still look artificial if you don’t have a good understanding of the fundies.

[Anonymous No.3905333]

>>3905282
Taking elements from other pieces like this is totally different, anon. You’re doing a lot more of the than just combining and tracing other people’s work. Even then, you’ll always be restrained by your ability as an artist, no matter how good your reverences are.

[Anonymous No.3905355]

>>3905312
If this was just line work you could never tell. It’s only when they start coloring, shading and rendering where you start to see it. Straight line work would be nigh impossible to tell.

[Anonymous No.3905363]

If you can't draw then tracing won't save you. I've seem people trace and still butcher a drawing. That said some artists do trace. Even some old masters traced with a camera obscura. Sometimes tracing is a handy tool.

[Anonymous No.3905374]

came out pretty bad when i tried. i really wanted the pose to be perfect so i traced the body. idk something about it is off. its just shit so i ended up scrapping didn't bother to finish. looks stiff, looks like the head was attached as an after thought. im just learning to draw better now instead. eventually ill go back and do it legit.

[Anonymous No.3905435]

>>3905355
It still comes out looking flat as fuck, anon. Sure, you can try to improve at it, but you'd be much better off as an artist if you worked on other skills.

[Anonymous No.3905438]

>>3905054
The less understanding you have about art the worse you'll do even if you are tracing

[Anonymous No.3905443]

>>3905435
Of course it’s gunna look like that when it’s only lines lol

[Anonymous No.3905487]

When you're "tracing" just construct the drawing with the reference underneath. Don't just trace line for line,you won't learn much. But try to construct and draw with the reference there as a sefety net. You gain a better understanding of how to intuitively feel the construction of the drawing. Plus, you'll be able to change aspects of the drawing here and there and tune it to your style

[Anonymous No.3905511]

>>3905054
ever tried tracing grass to figure out how to represent texture efficiently? it's a good exercise
ever tried tracing the construction underneath a figure? it's a good exercise
ever tried tracing when you really butchered an accuracy exercise to really see where you went wrong? it's a good exercise

imagine never ever trying something because people told you it was bad. you'd have to be an absolute blue-balled pussy

[Anonymous No.3907583]

[Anonymous No.3907606]

>>3905443
that is extremely wrong anon

[Anonymous No.3907627]

>>3905114
I hope whoever """drew""" this monstrosity isn't alive anymore

[Anonymous No.3907640]

>>3905054
It takes a noob longer to trace something than a pro do draw something the proper way. Stop trying to find shortcuts. You will resent yourself for it.

[Anonymous No.3907680]

>>3905312
>haven’t developed enough as an artist to draw well from imagination

[Anonymous No.3907690]

it's a waste of time

[Anonymous No.3907785]

Let’s see some good traces? Any out there?

[Anonymous No.3909755]

>>3907785
would you pass on an opportunity to work at Marvel?

[Anonymous No.3909968]

>>3905511
This *100 nothing wrong with tracing if you want to use it to help your work it’s like looking at the answers on a practice test it can help you find the right way problem is when you cheat on the real test or just post a trace.

[Anonymous No.3909990]

>>3909755
>The old man heart attack trace
Holy fucking kek

[Anonymous No.3910508]

>>3905054
https://youtu.be/dlvGzDiiYUg

[Anonymous No.3910530]

>>3909990
just lol at Iron Man's suit having wrinkles

[Anonymous No.3910531]

>>3905054
Bad because you don't have taste yet

[Anonymous No.3910587]

I mean hell, you can use design doll to trace and make work. But that sort of misses the point.

If you purely want to make money then their are definitely waaayy easier ways to do it then art. It’s a lot of work, you manage your own business essentially and it can be hard to break into.

But at the end of the day money is just a tool to make you happy/content. You can fill you basic needs like food and shelter with any job, after that your using the money to make life better/more enjoyable. Going by that line of thinking putting in effort to make art you know is bad or “cheating” defeats the purpose of doing it in the first place. Making art you know is good and original has the benefit of making you content and like I said, that’s the point of having extra income anyway. You can trace and maybe make a living but you’re going to live you 70-80 years without feeling the peace and satisfaction you get from doing work with integrity. Why condemn yourself to living an unfulfilling life.

>>3909755
That’s misleading, artists in mainstream comics work on brutal deadline, they likely did this to save time and I doubt any of them are tracing as their exclusive way of working.

And frankly, that doesn’t make it right, it’s embarrassing when it’s called out and I don’t think it’s really proof that’s it’s fine to do, even in marvel.

Realistically getting into an art career is a life long choice, it’s who you are and it’s the very direction of your life and what you do. Do your want your life to be being a comic artist who traces pictures on the internet or do you want to be a comic guy like J.H. Williams III who is a literal master. You choose what to pursue but I don’t see why you’d want to dedicate your life to tracing.

[Anonymous No.3910619]

>>3910587
What the fuck is wrong those lips? I thought that was an octopus.

[Anonymous No.3911541]

>>3910587
eeww no, wtf? WHY?

[Anonymous No.3911614]

>>3910587
>>That’s misleading, artists in mainstream comics work on brutal deadline, they likely did this to save time and I doubt any of them are tracing as their exclusive way of working.
Nah, thats just Greg Land.

[Anonymous No.3911629]

If it's a beginner, the line work will probably express nothing but a focus on following the lines. As a kid I learned to draw partly by tracing Calvin and Hobbes. I didn't do it to make a finished piece to pretend was my own. It was just fun to move a pencil and have something not childish come out, and I learned a lot in the process.

>>3905054
>How good could it possibly turn out?
For amateur arts, Henry Darger is probably the greatest artist to do nothing but trace. Basically super inventive collaging from a crazy person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRlvDKcDvsI

[Anonymous No.3912049]

>>3905054
>How good could it possibly turn out?

[Anonymous No.3912061]

>>3912049
>if a beginner
>complete noob
In other words, your example is shit.

[Anonymous No.3912285]

If you find proper reference material you could probably learn to draw that one thing very well. I don't know if it'd be rewarding though. You will not be able to change anything about the structure of the drawing and have it look right. Like the super realistic pencil drawings you see, they're made by people who grid out a photo and just shade every little box exactly like the reference. It can be a fun hobby but they cannot 'create' or 'modify'. It's not always apparent but the people who draw the good looking super stylized art like anime also know all the basics and have gone through learning perspective and anatomy.

If you are interested in art, learn the basics, there are no shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.3912367]

>>3905099
Wait, hang on- then how the fuck do people recognize tracing?

[Anonymous No.3912584]

>>3905054
>Would the end result be decent?
No. Tracing is also a skill. Just look at comic book inkers.
You need to understand the subject you're tracing to be able to trace it properly, as well as have knowledge in how to use your tools.

[Anonymous No.3913154]

>>3905114
This. They lack the dogfight experience to hide the fact that they traced.

[Anonymous No.3913172]

>>3910619
congrats, because it is an octopus.

[Anonymous No.3913224]

bad. you need to be able to draw to trace well actually.

[Anonymous No.3913318]

>>3905443
You don't draw much do you?