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[Anonymous No.4223995]

vent

[Anonymous No.4224002]

I find that the more work I put into becoming a better artist (learning anatomy, form, gestures, etc) the less passionate about art I become. However, I don't want to be shit so idk. Guess I'll just keep getting better at the cost of my soul.

[Anonymous No.4224003]

This whole bloomer coomer boomer oomer shit is just so tiresome

[Anonymous No.4224009]

>>4224003
Agreed but I like coomer tho.

[Anonymous No.4224010]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOucDOaLID4

[Anonymous No.4224042]

>>4224003
I feel you. :/

[Anonymous No.4224044]

>>4224003
ok bloomer coomer boomer oomer

[Anonymous No.4224047]

I've been addicted to porn for some time now. I keep telling myself that's because I feel lonely and I won't find a woman in my life. I am just weak willed, porn really isn't something I truly need, even if I am alone. And I still keep it in the back of my head that everything is my fault.

If I had been learning art years ago, I would be having a job today. I would be having a girlfriend today. I would be far away from my shitty family that I live with now.

But I am not that guy. I have nothing and I have to live with it. It's not that I don't believe that I can make it, sheer effort might do it. It's that I don't know how to live in this state where I got basically abandoned and left for dead. Do you know that feeling where the whole world seems like it doesn't acknowledge your existence at all? How do you persist? You could be some much more but now nobody cares. There's no one to support you, no one to cheer you up, no one to remind you that you should stick to the path. There are people who never experienced that their entire life and there are people whose lives are mostly centered around it, it's funny in that sense.

Anyway I am still learning to draw and I won't stop until I die but to be honest being so alone in this is exhausting as fuck. Even if I have forgiven myself my past mistakes, I still slip into bad habits and there is no one to hold me accountable. Why would I even leave porn if I have no hope for getting a woman for an indefinite amount of time.

[Anonymous No.4224056]

>>4223995
after all these years finally there's a wojak for me!

[Anonymous No.4224061]

>>4223995
This board is still shit

[May No.4224062]

>>4224002
Find ways to put soul in your training.
Learning is painful, but APPLYING what you learned and make it fit your area of interest is where the real challenge lies.

When you learn anatomy with a "study mindset", drawing your usual stuff on the side feels like a break, like you don't have to apply what you learned. Your anime girls don't need all those fancy muscles and realistic faces, do they?

But that's exactly what you have to do. Make a hyperealistic drawing of your anime girl, make your furry neon wolf fighting an overcomplicated creature made out of 100 human limbs that will take you 80 hours to draw. Don't slack off on any of them, make them all with care and calculation.

Once you see your new findings being put to good use, to use that actually makes impressive and fun pictures (fun to look at), you will understand you can't go back to half-assing Sailor Moon hiding her hands behind her back.

[Anonymous No.4224063]

>>4224056
Yes you're witnessing the culmination of millions of years of evolution, 7 mass extinction events, trillions of animals that are now currently dead, a couple hundred thousand extinct species, the separation of Pangaea, and a couple years worth of memes all to bring you the broken bloomer.

[Anonymous No.4224123]

>>4224047
I'm in a virtually identical situation, shit sucks

[Anonymous No.4224132]

>>4224047
>whole world seems like it doesn't acknowledge your existence at all? How do you persist?
don't care lol I'm not a little bitch
nor a woman

[Anonymous No.4224148]

>>4224047
get rid of porn, get rid of it like you would get rid of a drug because that's what it is. use your imagination when you need a wank.

you're dedicating your time and thoughts to wondering why nobody cares about you while forgetting that you should be the one caring about yourself in the first place. your existence doesn't depend on others, it belongs to you.

[Anonymous No.4224155]

>want to start drawing 5+ hours a day during the summer break
>grab a small intuos without reading the wiki
>left handed claw grip
>hand feels like it's on fire after 1-2 hours
>can't afford a bigger drawing tablet until february

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSdOqBF7pWo

[Anonymous No.4224171]

>>4223995
My only art goal is drawing good cub porn. :/
I just about can't practice if my boner isn't motivated.
>forever garbage

[Anonymous No.4224208]

>tfw learning digital art
Is it normal to feel retarded with all this shit to keep track of? I can't imagine any of it ever becoming anything like second nature to me.

[Anonymous No.4224211]

>>4223995
I'm too autistic to figure out how to sell art

[Anonymous No.4224212]

>>4224208
Yes it's normal. I feel retarded all the time.

[Anonymous No.4224215]

>>4224211
This is me. Anyone have any advice on this? I'd really like to start selling soon.

[Anonymous No.4224221]

>>4224208
like layers and dpi? its the sort of thing you remember after youve fucked up something important once.

[Anonymous No.4224228]

>>4224221
Layers is just common sense tho.

[Anonymous No.4224247]

>>4224208
It will become natural for you, don't worry, just take some time like everything

[Anonymous No.4224271]

>>4224211
>>4224215
Do you want to sell physical stuff (prints, stands, charms) or do commissions or something else? Either way you start out with fanart haha

[Anonymous No.4224272]

>>4224215
If is in internet just use paypal and that's it, even here people made threads for that.
If is in analog real world, then you have to go out, if you are a student or university student, they make sometimes exhibitions within the medium, especially universities, to show students works, etc, you have to be informed. If you don't have that, then you can go to local fairs (i think that is the word sorry for my english), you can sell anything in those, this modern days people organize fairs in internet for selling specific products, so you have fairs of only art, comics, fanzines, etc. In my country for example people do several every month, even more than one in some cities. That is for low quality art, the ones that you sell for shitty money.
If you want to sell actual standard art like paintings, the only way is getting in that world, is only contacts and put some money sometimes, go and join every art contest out there, and go to museums or art exposition places where they used to show new artists, then is just wait.

[Anonymous No.4224307]

>>4224155
Are you drawing with your elbow and shoulder? It's easier on your hand and you'll have cleaner lines in the long run

[Anonymous No.4224348]

I wish I could round up all wojak posters and fucking KILL them. Every last one
I swear

[Anonymous No.4224353]

>>4224307
the drawing pad is tiny, but i will try to draw with my shoulder more. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4224360]

every watercolor painting i attempt looks like trash.

[Anonymous No.4224374]

>>4223995
My life has no direction. I am totally detached from normal society. I've dropped out of school twice and my parents are getting sick of me neeting. I know I need to start making money and become independent but everything seems so bleak. The only jobs in my area are seasonal or minimum wage retail. Getting a job seems like resignation. Im sacrificing my life to barely survive and contribute to a society that has rejected me. I don't even have a family to make my sacrifice worthwhile (and statistically I won't ever). I feel like my only chance of ever escaping this hell is through art. I think the internet has been poison to my life in many ways. We like to think that our decisions are our own but in reality our social circles have a big influence. Youtube has essentially replaced human interaction for me. My social circle is almost entirely people who I will never meet or speak to in person. I feel like I can no longer distinguish reality from digital fantasy. This whole website is a fantasy, but that doesnt stop it from influencing my thoughts. If I quit I would be alone though. Not that I mind being physically alone but I would have no peers to assure me of my course. I think the death of god has extinguished our cultural north star. The sky is clouded, my compass is untrue, and every path I take looks the same. My only comfort is in asceticism which drives me further from normal society. I want nothing more than to be valuable. That is something that I am certain will not be found in solitude. Thanks for reading my schizo blog.

[Anonymous No.4224424]

>>4223995
HE TAKES LEISURE IN PLEASURE HE BELIEVES IN JOY

A TRUE BLOOMER CANNOT BE BROKEN, TAKE (IT) THE EASY PILL BROTHERS

[Anonymous No.4224446]

IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT IT DOESNT LOOK RIGHT FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Anonymous No.4224469]

I can't draw for 30 minutes without feeling like shit and giving up.
What the fuck is wrong with me?
I wish I could start all over again, but I'm in my late 20's and have no talent.
This same shit has been happening for about 8 years now: I get a quick gust of inspiration, and then I spiral out of control the moment things don't look right.
I can't seem to learn how to do it right.

[Anonymous No.4224485]

I have the persistant fear of ngmi. From age mattering to this minds eye you have to imagine it to the point of looking like a real picture in high detail kills any aspiration for me.

[Anonymous No.4224494]

>>4224374
then suffer for your art.

[Anonymous No.4224498]

>>4224374
You're a pussy, one big useless, pathetic, pussy.

[Anonymous No.4224499]

>>4224446
Try to pinpoint what doesn't look right. Try to pick up material regarding that area and move on. In my experience if something doesn't look right there is usually more reasons than the ones we can pinpoint ourselves as artists, if you don't move forward you will be frustrated and stuck because you don't have the skills to realize what is wrong
>>4224469
>What the fuck is wrong with me?
Sounds to me you have no tolerance for failure if you give up at the first setback. You are that kind of person who can start a lot of stuff but fail to ever see anything through the end.
>>4224485
Fear can be paralyzing. But its better to plough through the fear than to never try, look back and realize your life is over and how much better you could have been if you started 10 or 20 years ago, time is limited, make use of it.

[Anonymous No.4224536]

[Anonymous No.4224543]

>>4224374
>I'm so childish, lazy and deep into my spoiled self-centered existence that i consider a normal job a "sacrifice" that would force me to "resign" from my life. I regard myself so highly that I don't consider anyone else worthy of my "free" time that I can otherwise spend indulging in my infantile world of fantasy and made-up problems. I know the way I treat myself and others is completely pathological, but I'm also too comfortable in this environment that my parents provide for so I just make up some poetic excuses and make myself look like a hopeless martyr in the name of art.

Dude did you expect anyone to symphatize or something? Like, seriously? This is absolutely the most basic bitch case of laziness and emotionaly infancy, none of this is unique or tragic, you're literally a cliche. Your parents should yeet your neet ass out of their house so that you would be force to SACRIFICE and RESIGN your pathetic ways to a job like everyone else, that would teach you a lesson on value of basic commodities like bed, food and clothes. You would appreciate simple things way more instead of typing out brain vomit like this comment. Holy shit, get out of here with this crap, I think I'd rather read another agrument about loli than this boring copy-paste bio of a bored 20-something year old that was spoiled too much in childhood.

[Anonymous No.4224548]

>>4224374
read on the shortness of life

[Anonymous No.4224555]

>>4224548
not him, but im interested; do you mean the seneca's essay?

[Anonymous No.4224577]

I'm terrified of getting outside my comfort zone even though I desperately need it. I'm so scared of failure that I'd rather not even try.

[Anonymous No.4224578]

>>4224548
based. i was just rereading that today

[Anonymous No.4224583]

>>4224061
It will always be shit. Some retards even defend the faggotry going on in this board so there's no hope.

[Anonymous No.4224597]

>>4224555
Yes, you cannot afford to spend your few years on this earth worrying about things that are imposed to you by others. If society didn't resent you for it, would you really try so hard to be successful? Would you really submit to this shitty system that turns you from a human being to a disposable cog? Would you really try to please others so they approve of you and finally tell you that you "made it" when you are perfectly capable of deciding for yourself if you met your goals?

[Anonymous No.4224610]

>>4224047
>>4224148
the drug is wanking, porn is indirectly a drug by itself also, but the association comes from the cooming not the watching. if you just start jerking off lots without watching porn youll start using the wanking as a means to get an endorphin spike- sure, it's one less step but it's still terrible

[Anonymous No.4224612]

>>4224610
wanking is natural and causes no ill effects

[Anonymous No.4224617]

>>4223995

[Anonymous No.4224733]

>>4224543
>You stupid baby! Why are you not satisfied toiling endlessly for cheap gadgets and Cummies™!? You should live in squalor, surrounded by alcoholics, and not complain like everyone else. Then you will really appreciate life!
Ted Kaczynski was right.

[Anonymous No.4224736]

>>4224733
he probably thinks sakimichan is art goals

[Anonymous No.4224938]

>>4224733
Shelter, comfort, and sustenance = "gadgets and cummies"?

[Anonymous No.4224954]

>>4224938
working a full time job for "shelter, comfort and sustenance" is a fucking joke
not him but I wouldn't even be able to move out with a full time job
this concept that you have to work, no matter how shit the pay, no matter how shit the hours, no matter how miserable and shitty, just so that a faggot boomer doesn't call you lazy is fucking laughable

[Anonymous No.4224966]

>>4224954
>working a full time job for "shelter, comfort and sustenance" is a fucking joke
how are you going to pay for food then? You don't even get drinking water for free, do you realize that?

[Anonymous No.4224975]

>>4224966
I'll get a house somewhere really cheap, and be as frugal as possible and hopefully sell enough to make ends meet.
But the truth is I don't care about the future anymore, every time I do I just get depressed and I want to kill myself. There is no support for depression in this country except zombie pills that don't even work. I don't have money for a real shrink, so I'll just do whatever it takes to feel OK right now until things go awry, instead of feeding my hopelessness until things go awry anyway.
If I can get 10 years of happiness while making art I'm good with dying afterwards.

[Anonymous No.4225005]

>It's that day of the week were I have time to draw and have to choose between drawing and feeling like shit for being terrible or not drawing and spending the rest of the week at the office feeling like shit for not even trying

[Anonymous No.4225046]

I want to try again but I'm not ready for more disappointment.
I just don't know what to do. I wish I could talk to someone about this.

[Anonymous No.4225062]

>>4224733
>>4224736
>>4224954
>>4224975

This is what Im talking about, you people are even worse than that neet kidult. People who despise normal jobs, think of themselves as "higher" than a retail job or whatever. The mere suggestion of working in a place that isn't disney pixar HQ makes you jump to conclusions like "they want me to be a slave for a boomer". No, idiot. You just need money to survive in this world and if you can afford daydreaming about a job you're worthy of it means your parents are paying for this laziness so you're ether a teenager acting like they know anything about life or an adult lazy fuck, that's all. People who don't have the luxury of still living with their families just don't waste their time on thinking about this pathetic crap. They just go to work, get money and progress in life and eventually get a job that is satisfying to them. Sure, some people manage to get an interesting job early on, but it's either luck or heritage. Nothing more. Nobody cares about your fragile feelings, your fragile body that cannot deal with 8 hours of working. Literally nobody gives a shit. You're alone in this and nobody will give anything to you just because you feel like you've been betrayed by this society. Wake up retards. You spend 8 hours of your day on the internet doing meaningless shit anyway, just find a job and stop torturing your poor parents. Maybe you'll value your free time more and will actually start using it for developing your skills and creating something of any value instead of crying and whining about commies and depression and other shit that literally nobody else cares about.

[Anonymous No.4225074]

In the first half of the day I'm too """busy""" with random shit and in the latter half my brain stops working and makes everything much more difficult, N I C E

[Anonymous No.4225103]

>>4225062
Eh, I think I'll just kill myself. Nice try though.

[Anonymous No.4225137]

I've never wanted to rewind time more than now
this is the worst year of my life so far (I'm 22)

[Anonymous No.4225145]

>>4225062
How do you get a better job when you work for minimal wage? There are no skills to be developed and the most you can accomplish is get promoted from a toilet cleaner to a toiler cleaner shift manager. And you don't have time to develop real skills because you spend at least 10-12 hours on a "real job", you come back tired as hell and you barely have time to eat something good and go to sleep for 8 hours.

Oh, you think you can make it while learning to draw on weekends. Imagine having so little time that even if you sacrificed social interactions to the point you don't meet people, you still don't have enough to pursue anything else other than you have now (shit). That's the argument.

When people say you are a slave of the system, they don't mean you are a slave because you have to work to earn food and shelter, they mean that you get paid so low and spend so much time on it that you won't ever be able to get something better. There is no time for education if you work.
>inb4 find a better job

If I could have a better job, I would have it. I don't have any jobs because I know once i get one, I will NEVER become an artist, not even close.

[Anonymous No.4225166]

>>4224047
"Never give up!"
-Zues

[Anonymous No.4225179]

>>4225145
I work in retail, come home, sit down and draw. I've already managed to save some money from my daily job, I'm gonna use it to buy a better laptop soon. I've also managed to get some commissions through insta already so theres always that extra $ and I want to earn more and more from it and try to apply for an actual art job when I get a better portfolio because im still learning. If i cant get an actual job then i will continue with commissions. Is this some kind of an unheard of, ridiculous plan? I dont feel like dying after an 8hr shift, i get up at 7 am, start work at 8, finish 4 pm, im home at 4:30 pm, eat something and i still have plenty of time to draw and socialize. what the fuck, are you all suffering from some chronic fatigue syndrome? Sure im not living like a king here but i feel comfortable. i used to have a roommate that didnt work, studied on weekends and his parents paid for his rent and he kep whining that he doesnt want to "kill" himself working a retail job and he just doesnt have energy for any of this because he hates dealing with other people, is this the case with you? Because thats absolutly pathetic

[Anonymous No.4225187]

Basically, whatever kind of art I do turns out like shit it some way.

The anatomy isn't right or anything of the sort. When I use a reference it looks better but it just feels like cheating. And whenever I don't use one I never improve.

My art has basically been stagnant for about the past 2 years.

Mfw.

[Anonymous No.4225188]

>>4225145
This was my schedule when I worked at a factory:
>4:30am wake up make lunch eat something
>5:00 leave for work
>5:45 Shift starts. Move wood from one conveyor belt to the next as it comes
>11:30 lunch break
>12:00pm second shift
>3:00 lol you thought you were done, overtime every single day bitch
> 4:30 finally done
>5:15 cook something before I pass out
>7:30 sleep
>tfw you get 8.5 hours of pay for 13 hours of misery
Most people there worked double overtime (5:00am - 4:30pm) and weekends. I don't see why anyone would bother living on this if they didn't have a family to support.

[Anonymous No.4225194]

>>4225062
tldr

[Anonymous No.4225214]

>>4225062
>Nobody cares about your fragile feelings, your fragile body that cannot deal with 8 hours of working. Literally nobody gives a shit. You're alone in this and nobody will give anything to you just because you feel like you've been betrayed by this society.
I'll leech on welfare until I die.
Cope harder.

[Anonymous No.4225216]

>>4225062
Ok boomer

[Anonymous No.4225280]

>nobody thinks that I'm worth their time, basically no other human contact other than work and monthly call from dad, people outside my family are out of question as I'm super twitchy and give off a drug addict kind of appearance thanks to condition that affects my nervous system, strangers just don't want anything to do with me
>start drawing so my family would have something to be proud of and maybe be in contact with me more often as they like fine arts, maybe even my siblings would invite me over as it would be an excuse
>painting and drawing things that people like would be the same thing as somebody would like me for who I am
>after years of frustration and desperation my paintings are still shit
>only capable of sleeping and shitposting outside work

[Anonymous No.4225288]

>>4225179
I felt like dying after an 8hr shift and transport took me additional 3 hours. Then I have to prepare something to eat, which is 30 minutes. I have to buy stuff so it takes me another 30 minutes, not every day but assume it here. Which is already 12 hours of wasted time. I have to spend another hour on eating and washing myself. 13 hours. I got 2 hours left if I don't have anything urgent to do. Those 2 hours are all the free time I have in 5 days of a week, assuming I would have enough energy to do anything exhaustive like learning to draw. And people who got good understand that you have to spend way more time to build a momentum, you can't watch Vilppu anatomy video and then go to sleep etc. Not to mention jobs where you often have to stay 8 hours, or not just often, sometimes but still. You just can't progress. All this assuming you never go out and never do anything else than drawing.

I don't know what commissions you do, but you either do shitty art for $50 or you were good before that. It's literally impossible to get good in a reasonable time frame while working a dead end job.

[Anonymous No.4225294]

>>4225179
I felt like dying after an 8hr shift and transport took me additional 3 hours. Then I have to prepare something to eat, which is 30 minutes. I have to buy stuff so it takes me another 30 minutes, not every day but assume it here. Which is already 12 hours of wasted time. I have to spend another hour on eating and washing myself. 13 hours. I got 2 hours left if I don't have anything urgent to do. Those 2 hours are all the free time I have in 5 days of a week, assuming I would have enough energy to do anything exhaustive like learning to draw. And people who got good understand that you have to spend way more time to build a momentum, you can't watch Vilppu anatomy video and then go to sleep etc. Not to mention jobs where you often have to stay over 8 hours, or not just often, sometimes but still. You just can't progress. All this assuming you never go out and never do anything else than drawing.

I don't know what commissions you do, but you either do shitty art for $50 or you were good before that. It's literally impossible to get good in a reasonable time frame while working a dead end job.

[Anonymous No.4225328]

I don’t think I want to pursue freelance art as a career anymore. I get enough commissions now I could feasibly live off it if I really tried and cut down living expenses, but I don’t really feel like it’d be worth it anymore. That lifestyle of never leaving your house, never interacting with coworkers, just waking up, sitting on the couch and drawing until I need to eat is just too depressing for me. I’d have to work twice as hard and hustle like crazy to make minimum wage drawing the same repetitive pinups. It doesn’t feel like a step towards a happier life, just a stressful grind that doesn’t satisfy me any more than my current job does. Plus I know my health would deteriorate the second I quit my factory job

[Anonymous No.4225330]

>>4225328
maybe stop making shitty coom art

[Anonymous No.4225340]

i wish i had art friends

[Anonymous No.4225344]

>>4224003
ok ******

[Anonymous No.4225359]

>>4225330
I don’t think I could live off of that, and I guess it’s not really the subject that’s the issue. I enjoy drawing, but without an interesting idea behind it it’s just another job, and so far as jobs go it would be a huge step down for me because I would be constantly stressed about finding more work, have no real weekends, become more of a hermit, and still make less than minimum wage unless I get a successful patreon going. Like I said before, even if I were successful, the lifestyle of a freelance digital artist doesn’t seem like a happier one, for me at least

[Anonymous No.4225383]

>>4225214
I dont need to cope with anything, its you who whines on the internet and wants others attention. So you got my attention and told you my opinion, so you're the one who needs to cope now. I couldnt care less about lazy people on welfare, we're probably in different countires anyway so im not even paying for your fast food, but its you who always complain and want everyone to pat their back and agree on how tired and miserable you are.

>>4225294
Of course i do "shitty" art for little money, i said im still learning. 50$ isn't nothing for me, a couple of these and i have 500$ saved for new laptop. What, am i supposed to ask 200$ when I'm at the level of learning how to color and have less than 1000 followers? Oh right i got you, ill just refuse to do SHITTY ART FOR 50$, i will stop drawing because im just not skilled enough rn, download 3834934 anatomy books and grind loomis crap until someday I somewhat get suddenly worthy of creating amazing art for 100000$. THEN I will start accepting commissions. Is this everyone's endgame here? Because if it is then congratulations, you fucking played yourself.


>>4225216
Im way younger than all of you necbkeards here, this is so ironic. 25+ year olds calling a teenager theyre a boomer because i wont agree with you on how shitty life is and how HARD it is to get up in the morning and go to work.

You know what, im actually happy youre all so miserable, exhausted and depressed. I can get more 50$ shitty art commissions while you cry about getting a job and being tired. Just remember all of your whining when you're 80 years old and your whole life passes with you complaining.

[Anonymous No.4225386]

>>4225383
Normally I'd say post your work but I don't want my eyes to bleed. But it's amusing when someone who hasn't done anything worthwile is schooling other people.

Yes, you can keep your job and your worthless commissions, they mean the world to you.

[Anonymous No.4225388]

>>4225386
OF COURSE i wont post my work, you would stalk me and call me a nigger for next 10 years. Im not even sure what kind of argument youre using here? "Keep your money and art, they mean the world to you"? Yes they fucking do, what are you even trying to say?

[Anonymous No.4225392]

>>4225388
I am trying to say that you are so proud of having a shitty job and doing shitty art just because you have them. It's like being proud of having arms and legs. Good for you buddy.

[Anonymous No.4225451]

>client is adamant about a change that ruins the composition and anatomy of the picture

[Anonymous No.4225471]

>>4225392
Congratulations idiot, back to my original point. Theres this idea on this board that you're literally banned from having any positive feelings towards your art until it's literally ruan jia-tier. Anything else is pure crap, you should hide it and pretend it doesnt exist. You sell it for 50$? It's not 100% anatomically correct? Youre a beg ngmi kill yourself. This is so fucking stupid, literally every succesful artist has older work available to see on google and its often really shitty. What does it matter? It doesnt, they just got better with time, wow, unbelievable

I know whats wrong with this board now. Behold, this is the /ic/ recipe for success, everybody:
>start drawing and realize its shitty - quickly hide it, nobody can see.
>start GRINDING and studying FUNDIES. you need 15 books, 3 video courses and 7 painting apps. study before you attempt to draw anything retard. You cannot draw anything before you have STUDIED every atom of human being.
>never post any of these studies of course, they're not worthy of the public eye yet
>if you get a commission under 1000$ for anything else than completed concept art for AAA game - REFUSE, youre not worth yet. Its pathetic to even consider this as any kind of success. Holy shit this is so pathetic.
>Remember not to get any non-art related job in the meantime because this is slavery and will only take too much of your free time that you could otherwise spend grinding.
>This process takes 2+ years so keep in mind you'll need some money to actually live. No worries, parents or welfare can provide for you.
>After 2-4 years, the Art President will call you and tell you he's been watching you and he's really proud of your hard work. You made it anon, now you can finally start posting art, accepting commissions and giving out crit.
>If you forget any of these steps, your art is meaningless and horrible

Thats it guys!!!!!!! I hope you all enjoyed my tutorial on how to become a famous artist!

[Anonymous No.4225474]

>>4225451
Always infuriating. I had a scene kneecapped by the "writer" who insisted on a fugly change and I was mad the entire time I worked on it.

[Anonymous No.4225483]

>>4224047
Get some friends with common goals. Post your contact literally anywhere and when someone talks to you, do your best to be friendly and understanding. Help them how you want to be helped and care for them how you want to be careful for. Eventually someone will help and care back.
>>4224062
Cool advice!
>>4225383
He's right, you know. If you're miserable in a wealthy modern society, you're doing something wrong. And if you're doing something wrong, you must be thinking something wrong too.

[Anonymous No.4225485]

>>4225474
At the very least you can bullshit a small fee for changes out of spite

[Anonymous No.4225491]

>>4225471
Kek, screencapping this masterpiece for massive copy-pasta trolling potential

[Anonymous No.4225518]

>>4225483
>Post your contact literally anywhere
What do you mean? Like art buddies?

[Anonymous No.4225526]

>>4225471
I'll go back to my original point too. The problem with your thinking is that you take pride in doing shitty commissions, it's not the act itself. I could do them too but I choose to improve so I can go further. You complain about people who choose to not work so they can improve, while you are not good yourself. Like what's the point? What are you trying to prove? Do you realize that I can get good in a year or two and earn more money that you earn now with your job and commissions combined? Who's the loser here?

[Anonymous No.4225535]

I think the bitter loneliness and the heart crushing depression from my poorness is affecting my art

[Anonymous No.4225622]

I don't know anymore how to fix the relationship with my mom. Why is she always so fucking critical of me? I'm doing my best, it's just hard to stay on top of everything. We haven't spoken to each other for a month and it's getting harder and harder to reach out, she'll probably just lash out at me for ignoring her and shit will hit the fan. I don't want the drama, I just want my mom back.

[Anonymous No.4225636]

>>4225622
you should probably talk to your mom and say what you posted here but nicely, and defuse her reaction.
unless your parents are psycho narcissists they are the only people who will put up with your shit. not talking only creates more issues.

[Anonymous No.4225685]

>>4225526
Dude this is basic MATH. By next year I will have saved X $ from my shitty commissions and Y $ from my retail job. By that time I will get recommended by my clients to other people and also get better at drawing so I will be making Z $ on commissions. By that time I will have made X + Y + Z $ total. Meanwhile youre not doing commissions, you dont have a slave job in retail, in one year you will start taking commissions and there will be X $ in your bank account. Who will have made more money?? Welcome to 1st grade where we learn how to add numbers, people

And please dont tell me youll magically end up at bethesda whipping out TESVI concept art or making 1000$ top tier commissions after 2 years of anonymous grinding with NO CLIENT WORK IN PORTFOLIO because this is just another level of delusional. This makes as much sense as „hiring for entry level job with 10 years experience required” crap.

I just cannot believe it. I finally solved the great mystery of /ic/. This is why none of you is making any progress. You sit at home complaining, no job, no art commissions and grinding loomis heads 24/7. Incredible

[Anonymous No.4225716]

>>4225685
Plot twist, youre both ngmi for arguing with eachother

[Anonymous No.4225721]

>>4225716
shh, let them fight
I bet 5 on the boomer

[Anonymous No.4225730]

>>4225685
Another anon here
All in all I agree with you 100% but my guess is the person you're addressing is either 17 years old or has very generous parents. They just don't think about the future the way adult people do. You're one of the very few people on here with actual enterpreneurial qualities, so kudos to that

[Anonymous No.4225733]

>>4225685
You are in the wrong thinking you'll make any decent amount of money by drawing on the weekends. Do you really, really think that you can improve that way? You probably spend most of the time on commissions which by themselves don't teach you much because you go into the comfort zone way too often.

If working 8 hours a day and improving rapidly at art was possible (which isn't), then yes, you have an edge over me. In 5 years your art will be worth 5 times it is now, while mine will be worth 20 times if not more. You will be richer than me 5 years from now, I'll be richer than you 10 years from now. And I won't be tied to some dead end jobs that make me consider killing myself.

[Anonymous No.4225751]

>>4225383
Ok zoomer

[Anonymous No.4225761]

>>4225733
I don't think you realize that making money out of art is not just about the actual drawing skills. It's also the ability to promote yourself, negotiate the stakes, make connections, interact with clients and audiences, learn from past mistakes... Many other things that you can only learn from experience, however shitty and low-level it is.

Just like Anon pointed out, you don't just go from making personal work for 10 years to working for industry giants or selling your intellectual property. You need a reputation and small commissions are a good way to earn one.

Besides that I'm very happy for you having super supportive parents who will provide for that lifestyle, good for you.

[Anonymous No.4225772]

>>4225761
It's not that I want to live a life of a NEET or some shit, it's actually bad for me because people that I live with are really shitty. But if I choose to work for minimum wage, not only I'll be left with no money to spend on anything other than food and shelter (salaries in my country are very low), I won't have enough energy and time to pursue art (lack of energy is the bigger problem). So it's either I work till I die for nothing or I leech my parents in hope that I can make it someday. It's not that obvious.

[Anonymous No.4225803]

>>4225772
I understand your issue, I'm also from a somewhat poor country with low salaries and working a minimum wage job is not the ideal situation for developing your art skills. However consider the following:
>you don't have to do it full time
>you can get a job or an internship that somewhat advances you in your art career (I mean you will HAVE TO do it eventually; everyone starts at an entry level job, you can't just start off as a senior concept artist)
>you don't have to get the wagie job at all, just get small commissions; the fact that you're from a poor country is an advantage because to you $20 is worth more than in the US
Stay with your parents if you need to, you'll save up more money that way. Just don't completely opt out of the workforce. It will look terrible on your CV and won't get you anywhere in your art career.
(This is coming from a freelance illustrator with 3 yrs of experience, I have a really nice and comfy life now but prior to that I did 3 unpaid internships and worked as a junior slave at a creative studio for a year; my freelance career would NEVER be possible without the business tactics and connections I stole from my previous workplaces)

[Anonymous No.4226122]

>>4223995
Just when I was finally starting to understand something, I get sick for a week and forget all it! I have such shit luck!

[Anonymous No.4226139]

>>4225803
>>4225761
>>4225685
>>4225471
>>4225388
>>4225383
>>4225062
Hey, different anon that just poped up here, I just want to say I like your attitude, what you say sounds reasonable and you seem like the kind of person that know what its doing to get better in life and art, I'll do as you do and try to start promoting my art even following your formula.

[Anonymous No.4226152]

i can't get better at art or make any kind of quality pieces, and art is really all i have so i think i will actually kill myself

[Anonymous No.4226154]

i need to kill myself right now

[Anonymous No.4226155]

>>4226154
do you?

[Anonymous No.4226160]

please please please please let me dead, let me go to sleep and not wake up, i'm begging whatever god is out there please kill me, i can't live like this anymore, i don't want to live i have no motivation to live, i hate every breath i take, everything i do is utterly meaningless and no one cares and all i am and all i create are shit, please let me fucking die

[Anonymous No.4226162]

How do you know when your at the point when you should just draw coomer art and give up being a sfw artist?

[Anonymous No.4226175]

Will complaining about your parents get you shat on universally here? Because I really feel like mine wasted my childhood on being disallowed everything I wanted to do and being ignored the rest of the time. I've become someone who feels guilty over having dreams or even being compensated for work. I have no clue how to live in the real world because I was always taught it was my punishment for being alive and the things I wanted to do were all bad.
What do you want to do when you grow up? I want to be a computer programmer! and then my daily allowed screen tine was cut to half an hour because gaming addiction bad mkay

Was this my responsibility when I was seven?

When I was seven I went to a full year of special needs school before entering the school system because every professional agreed I needed it. afterwards my mom pulled me out of every special ed program because having a retarded son was hurting her pride. Now that I've missed a decade of support she's started insisting I get diagnosed with assburgers and start some therapy. If I need the help now surely I'd needed it then, but by now I've completely accepted that I don't deserve help and that I'm here only to suffer.

The only thing that keeps me going is the thought that I'm not the one who made me this way. Even if everyone sabotaged me until now they can't touch me anymore. It's my responsibility now, I just wish I had another twenty years to prepare myself for the real world now.

[Anonymous No.4226177]

>>4226175
unironically go to sleep anon, it is late, therapy will do you good, thinking of yourself in such a defeatist way won't solve anything

[Anonymous No.4226222]

I’m really frustrated with gesture, I started doing drawabox this month and picked up Steve Huston videos and book, I understand his approach but I can’t apply it, my gestures always look messy, out of proportions. Sometime I’m stuck about how to start a gesture for a specific pose especially closed poses, laying down poses. This month about to end and I feel like I gained nothing except for drawabox.
I’m taking really slow step by step.
Pic is what I want to be at.

[Anonymous No.4226233]

>>4226222
First of all, pyw so we can help you.

Second, you started to draw this month. You're not supposed to be good at gesture, yet. There's a long road ahead of you and you think that just because you picked up a map and read it you should basically be at your destination. But that's not how things work. There's a gap between your knowledge and the application of said knowledge. The faster you learn how to embrace the journey the easier the journey will be.

Third, forget slow step by step and start doing tons of timed gestures instead. It's a matter of mileage. It's better to do 1000, 1 minute gestures, than 500, 2 minute ones.

I'm not good at it either, I'm still learning, so I can't really give you feedback on the technique. But understanding how to learn is half the process. Pic related are my gestures. Do with that as you will.

[Anonymous No.4226236]

I don't have problem with finding the fire and will to keep drawing forever, but life is unkind to me and force me to spend time adulting more than doing what I like. I have debt to pay, my family is in a crisis and I'm just trying to get by. I sometime wish that I can just go to sleep and things will be solved in the morning, but no everything move slowly and I always feel like I'm in deep water while holding on to a string to keep myself drowning.

[Anonymous No.4226238]

>>4226222
Who's that artist?

[Anonymous No.4226242]

>>4226236
I don't really know you, anon, and I don't know what sorts of problems you really have but if you feel like you're constantly drowning you need to take care of your health because that shit WILL KILL YOU. I know exactly how it feels and the only way I managed to get a handle on it is by worrying only about the things that are entirely under my control. Stop stressing about things that are not in your sphere of influence. This doesn't mean not giving a fuck about debts or family, for example. On the contrary, it means that you take the steps you need to take to be able to handle those issues. When you're taking those steps you can stop yourself worrying about them because you're doing your absolute best to handle them.

This is obviously easier said than done, but I suggest you set some time to read some stoic philosophy books. I personally suggest "The Little Book of Stoicism" by Salzgeber.

Something else that you should consider is making lists of the things that are stressing you. When you write something down it frees up the bandwidth in your head.

> make a list of things stressing you out
> write down a process to solve each problem
> take the steps that you need to achieve your goals

This will free you up immensely.

But really, if you can't get a handle on this, go see a fucking therapist. Again, that constant feeling of drowning is either depression or a precursor to it and that stress will literally fucking kill you.

I hope things get better for you, my dude.

[Anonymous No.4226246]

>>4226175
Just sounds like average parents. They always try to make you believe they did their best for you, no matter what they did.
My grandmother left me over 80k, my boomer parents threw away the will, got the money and moved abroad to enjoy it. I only found out because i realized it was weird i got nothing at all from a granny who always said she was leaving me a lot so i did some sleuthing. Lawyer says there is close to no chance to recover it from abroad, but he can start proceedings anyway for $$$ i obviously don't have. I told parents, they act like nothing is wrong while obviously dodging questions and send me a 50$ gift once a year with "love". Rest of family doesn't want to be involved. I also get the "just get a job anon!" advice from everybody, parents included. Just like i got the "stop drawing and go to uni" advice, to which they paid 6k, and i did. Too bad i hated every second of it, but hey, everyone kept saying that was the right choice and i couldn't stop while parents were already spending money on it.
Funny thing is, i always suspected parents didn't give a shit about me, but if i didn't have objective confirmation i would still have no clue and think i was the bad one for disliking my parents all this time. I'm drawing like i always wanted, but it sucks knowing my life would be so much better if i never cared for or listened to my boomer parents. I wouldn't have wasted time in uni and wouldn't have trusted them when they said granny left no will.

[Anonymous No.4226279]

>>4225803
I didn't join the discussion so far but my situation is that I'm physically and mentally ill except you won't get bux unless you're missing both legs here, the jobs I can get are terrible like telemarketing with long commutes, I have serious social anxiety that makes me feel physically sick when I'm under pressure. Sometimes I disassociate and other scary stuff but I "pass" as sane so everyone just thinks I'm lazy. I'm suicidal when I'm not drawing. I spent many years in deep depression trying to join this system and it only made me want to die. I took medicines that I'm sure damaged my brain irreversibly, just to try to fit into this narrative. I decided I don't care anymore and I'll just do what keeps me happy. If that means I'll die early so be it. I tried putting my art out there but nobody likes it. It would have been neat if I could have made some money with it but it will probably never happen.
Some people are just meant to die, I'm gone of those people. I'm borrowing some time with art, I'm happy like that.

[Anonymous No.4226296]

>>4225062
>They just go to work, get money and progress in life and eventually get a job that is satisfying to them
not true. most people never get a satisfying/meaningful job
>Sure, some people manage to get an interesting job early on, but it's either luck or heritage.
cope and cringe. you'll change your tune when you're 50 and that interesting job hasn't magically appeared out of thin air
>Nobody cares about your fragile feelings, your fragile body that cannot deal with 8 hours of working. Literally nobody gives a shit. You're alone in this and nobody will give anything to you just because you feel like you've been betrayed by this society.
capitalist realist garbage. i can turn on a tv to any propaganda news channel to see this 'hard knock life' farmers almanac garbage, i don't come here to read your rendition of the S.W.E.A.T pledge and "just soldier on" working class mentality.
>just find a job and stop torturing your poor parents
firstly, parents mostly deserve it for helping to ruin the economy, even unwittingly. secondly, you're just spouting more tardbreed rhetoric that you were conditioned with which tells you that you should 'feel bad' you don't have a job. no. this mentality is why we have entered what can be called the 'end of the future', that is that most art now, visual or otherwise, consists of pastiche imitation of previous styles, with no end to this in sight. boomers got through school for very cheap or even free, and then proceeded to jack up university prices to unholy levels, all the while spouting the trash you just posted about how TINA (there is no alternative) and other work-positive capital celebration garbage. people need time and energy to think in order to create, not a 8 hour shift of making french fries to 'justify' their existence or 'stop leeching' off people who, in contrast, got a free ticket.

[Anonymous No.4226301]

>>4226296
remember when you could buy a house and raise a family with an unskilled job? lol

[Anonymous No.4226305]

>>4225483
>If you're miserable in a wealthy modern society, you're doing something wrong. And if you're doing something wrong, you must be thinking something wrong too.
another retard trying to privatize mental illness. you're a mouthpiece for neoliberalism garbage. don't worry though, 99% of people are useful idiots for this broken system and do anything to deflect issues onto individuals, and away from the collective society. if you're depressed it's "on you" and "because you aren't thinking positive enough", yet you "owe it to society" to "do your part" and "contribute". even when the society (specifically the economy) is creating the conditions for your misery. how dare a homeless person who got made redundant due to casualization be sad! they are doing and thinking something wrong! shit like this is what i mean. it's the entire mental paradigm and once you step outside of it, you can't go back and all you can see is people self destructing like drones to uphold norms.

[Anonymous No.4226311]

>>4225451
>try to suggest middle ground alternative
>nah just do what I said
okay, enjoy your shitty fucking composition you pleb
I mean thank you for your patronage

[Anonymous No.4226317]

>>4223995
imposter syndrome is real because there are so many fakes and frauds you start questioning your own authenticity.

It seems like every youtube channel is hosted by a fake professional critiquing/advising on work they know nothing about. Are they critics/entertainers? fake experts.

Meanwhile all the real ones stay silent and it hurts everyone. Humbleness, is it really a virtue when people need to hear what you have to say?

[Anonymous No.4226394]

>>4224047
Incel.

[Anonymous No.4226405]

I got super into art and started studying loomis and bridgemen for a little bit over a year, draw daily and enjoy it. Suddenly lose the urge to draw anything what so ever, 6 months pass and Im suddly feel the urge to draw again but feel flustered when I try now because the lost musle memory. This suck anyone got any tips with the grinding back lost skill?

[Anonymous No.4226408]

>>4226305
Didn't read, don't care.
Question: Society being unjust is irrelevant. You are the only item in this equation that you control.

[Anonymous No.4226415]

>>4226279
Anon, I am very sorry that you're in this situation. I struggle with social anxiety myself and the time when I pushed myself to spend 8+ hours working among other people put a massive strain on my psyche. Nonetheless, I wrote about different options. You can pick up remote work. You can make connections via the Internet instead of face to face. You gotta work with your obstacles like other people do with theirs. Just keep doing somethimg, set one small goal per day and eventually you will succeed, I promise.

[Anonymous No.4226425]

I think competitive art should become a thing. I mean think about it. teams like team liquid or cloud 9 or even SuperAni could sponser artists to do drawing 1v1s and the judges would judge whoever did better. or it could be a fan vote. It would also be cool to see which Countries would do best, although I do have a feeling it would be korean/jap dominated. But it would still be fun to watch. Also think of how many artists would become famous from this that nobody would have heard of without it.

It's just a stupid idea in retrospect and will probably never happen, but I just wanted to share my ramblings anyway.
pic related, I imagine it would look something like this.

https://youtu.be/31fGmB-gW4w

[Anonymous No.4226466]

>>4226415
I've been trying the options for 10 years, I'm exhausted and the medicines that enabled me to be only mildly unhappy while trying did some serious damage to me and I'll never be the same.
I'm tired of trying to fit in when I just can't fit in. I'm completely useless as a working person, I have nothing to contribute. I don't want to end up killing myself so I'd rather face the contempt of everyone else while doing something that makes me happy. I can't even post my art anywhere because I'm just tired of being constantly judged. I don't exist only for what I have to offer to society. I can't believe that all this terrible condition just goes away when I stop worrying about this stuff and I just draw.

[Anonymous No.4226541]

>>4224062
Thank you for this, it was exactly what I needed to hear.
I’m working through Hampton’s book so I can finally understand what muscles go where instead of just guessing from references and this is spot on. I can’t just keep symbol drawing catgirls. I need to step it up and draw the most beautiful anatomically correct catgirls and relish my accomplishments.

Also to anyone out there struggling, Hamptons anatomy book is really approachable. Just sit down and draw everything he did, picture by picture. Its really starting to make sense to me.

[Anonymous No.4226577]

>>4226233
Here is my 1 minutes poses, as you can see I’m very inconsistent.
Some poses turns out alright some just real shitty,
I will set a goal for next month to do a lot of 1 minutes poses thanks.
>>4226238
This is Steve Huston from his book

[Anonymous No.4226606]

Holy shit two seperate people want to commission me and they messaged 1 day apart from eachother. One wants one thing the other wants 3 (three)
Feels a little good.

[Anonymous No.4226609]

>>4224211
>>4224212
Unironically this
>>4224271
unless you do physical stuff and have some kind of local art scene.

[Anonymous No.4226613]

>>4226311
Sometimes you just cant help a client and if it looks too bad you just never post it on a portfolio or if its bad enough on social media.

[Anonymous No.4226614]

>>4224171
what is cub porn

[Anonymous No.4226621]

>>4224469
I know its lame advice people say constantly but try and push through the lack of motivation. If you can watch something or listen to something while doing it, it can help a lot to keep going. I like to listen to youtube videos so I can look away from the art for a bit when I need a small break easily or to refocus my eyes. Podcasts work too if youd rather not be looking away as much. I can reccommend some if you would like.

[Anonymous No.4226627]

>>4226162
At the point you want to. If you feel like you want to do coomer stuff then do it. Your art will improve either way if you keep practicing. Some coomers will pay better prices for coomer art as well if commissions are your sort of thing. I'd suggest having a sfw and a nsfw commission page seperate since that can scare off normal people from a commission page sometimes if they are together.

[Anonymous No.4226685]

Toot toot! It's me, the retarded 19 year old slave with 50$ art commissions! I came back to continue arguing with adult men about money and living on your own!

>>4226296
You're telling me to cope while you're the one finding 328472387 excuses for not getting a job and doing commissions. Congratulations, you won the golden medal in mental gymnastics paraolympics.
Also this:
>parents mostly deserve it for helping to ruin the economy
This is just whole another level of emotional infancy. Hear him out, anons, this person found the ultimate excuse for his laziness: HIS PARENTS RUINED THE ECONOMY. Yes, he wakes up every day in his childhood bedroom, has 0 money in his bank account and thinks to himself: This is fine, my parents deserve this, they're the reason the proletariat is being exploited by the rich. But wait, it doesnt end here:
>>4226305
He's also very woke. He doesnt let this cruel world monetize his dEpReSsIoN - he just sits at home, writing essays on neoliberalism, while I'm killing myself at my slave job and being used and exploited by the System. My youth is wasted away while this anon prevails. In 40 years I will have to wipe the tears off my face with my hard earned money while he receives the Nobel Prize because he sacrificied his whole life to suffering of the lower class. Truly an inspiring human being.

>>4226408
What is this noise? Is this a buzzing voice of reason in our swamp of nonsense and apathy?

[Anonymous No.4226744]

>>4226685

[Anonymous No.4226746]

>>4226577
I think it's because you have issues with anatomical landmarks. It's all a wild guess but looking at areas like the buttocks it seems like you have issues with them, and you don't seem to make any lines that hint about the hips so maybe that's your problem
if you want to do this kind of gesture work with contruction you should understand the anatomy esp the skeleton and the main muscle groups, that will allow you to simplify stuff when you see a fold or a twist that would normally catch you off guard

[Anonymous No.4226751]

>>4226685
based but also why are you even engaging with these people
whether they're wrong or right should be irrelevant, right? - this is the vent thread, after all. Let it be.

[Anonymous No.4226761]

>>4226685
dude, you came here specifically in a vent thread, a thread made for depressed people to vent about their shit, on an art board, knowing that art has been one of the outlets of choice for emotionally damaged people throughout history, on a website designed specifically for the rejects of society, exclusively to preach about your SWEAT shit while making assumptions about these people's lives.
You are entirely correct, yes, nobody owes you anything unless you are """productive""", but you are discounting the entire decision process and personal history that got me and other people like me who are venting about this to take this decision, dismissing everything as convenient LARPing from a coddled upper class hipster. You have absolutely no idea what I went through.
I hope everything goes well for you and I think you are in good faith, but you're talking about this shit to people who aren't functional.

[Anonymous No.4226769]

>>4226296
Then why don't you use all that free time to draw?

[Anonymous No.4226801]

>>4223995
Why can I touch my $1000 laptop with cumstained hands but won't touch my shitty drawing tablet with those same hands?

[Anonymous No.4226806]

Not really a vent, but is it bad that I really want to hire an escort/prostitute just to have her pose for me as I draw her?

Totally understand if this makes me come across as a cornball.

[Anonymous No.4226822]

>>4226761
Do you think I'm a person who has never gone through anything hard and I'm shitting on depressed people from a position of a completely healthy, happy go lucky idiot? Think about it for a second, I'm 19 years old with shitty job in retail, I don't live with my parents and I care about the money enough to do cheap commissions, does it sound entirely normal to you? Most of us have been through some awful shit here and most of us are hurt, confused, depressed, whatever. This doesn't matter - I cannot stand making up ridiculous ("parents ruined economy"? really??) excuses for wasting your life away, for not living your life to the fullest, for wasting your fucking potential. So many 20+ year old dudes nowadays are nobodies, just rotting away and this board is like a temple for them. I just cant ignore this crap. Even more, I would never let any of my friends or anyone that i care about live like this, Im just fucking retarded like that, sorry

>art has been one of the outlets of choice
OK let the art be your outlet and leave your problems there. If you use art as an outlet, and yet still continue to whine and complain all the time, where does it end? How do you allow yourself to feel anything else than frustration and despair??

>to people who aren't functional.
Wait what are we supposed to do with this whole board then? Because if we're supposed to treat this whole thing as a place for absolute nonfunctional losers and nothing else then WHAT is the point of trying to get any of this art OUT to the "normal", functioning world? Why do people here care about instagram, money? Why do nonfunctional people complain about not being able to function but are still angry the functional world doesnt give them money and appreciation? You see the problem here?

EVERYTHING I said here was and is in good faith. Nobody changes anything until they get a bitch ass slap in their face, this is #1 rule of human condition. I know this very well from experience

[Anonymous No.4226845]

>>4226822
yeah anon whatever, people kill themselves for no reason now, and all of them haven't even considered to "man up" like you did because they're just lazy

[Anonymous No.4226855]

No cure for aphantasia.

I cannot visualize at all. When I read books I just see words and events happening, nothing appears in my head.

I realized that no matter how much I kill myself drawing 16 hours a day, it doesn't matter if there is not an image in your mind.

[Anonymous No.4226866]

>>4226801
My $1000 laptop still has taste. I bet your poor iPad had been tossed in a trash bin in some dumpster off Spring St. or South St.

The $1000 laptop owns the shitty drawing tablet.

Why can't I pick up my laptop and wipe down the web browser?

Why can't I pick up my laptop and clean up the sh*t on the screen?

[Anonymous No.4226872]

>>4226845
Why are we suddeny talking about killing yourself wtf? This is an argument about the purpose of having a job, making a living and getting art commissions, how do we jump to suicide from that? If you're suicidal then doodling and retail job is your smallest concern

[Anonymous No.4226881]

>>4225392
lmao got him good

[Anonymous No.4226890]

>>4224003
weakass

[Anonymous No.4226891]

Everyone in my department is talking about how cool the new Tesla truck is.
>dude it looks so futuristic! Looks like mad max!
These fucking retards are clueless. They don't even know that they're retarded. It's literally a fucking triangle. Every single one of them paid over 800 dollars for their store iphones.

I spent a fucking long time learning to design cars. Never once got a single compliment from any of these people about any of my sketches or models even though I know they've seen my ig.

But they love their fucking silver triangle because it's so futuristic. At the premier the armor glass shatters.

200, 000 pre order an untested technology 2 years in advance. Elon makes $20 million dollars in 1 week with the worst design in history where the selling point is armored glass that shattered.

Everyone around me loves it.

I'm not wrong. I'm not just bitter. Almost everyone really is a fucking retard and I'm not being too hard on them. They deserve to be hated.

[Anonymous No.4226896]

>>4226872
lmao imagine not understanding this by context
you really are a teenager

[Anonymous No.4226901]

>>4226896
I know, you wish you were a teenager now as well

[Anonymous No.4226902]

>>4226822
>Nobody changes anything until they get a bitch ass slap in their face, this is #1 rule of human condition. I know this very well from experience

So what was your experience exactly?

[Anonymous No.4226911]

>>4226246
what the fuck? kill them dude

[Anonymous No.4226923]

Why is my depression making me so angry and hostile. It makes me so unproductive and ruins any career opportunities.

[Anonymous No.4226924]

Can someone explain to me why the duck I don’t feel the form, 3D space in digital???
When I’m drawing on paper I can literally feel the form I’m drawing and the space, but in digital I don’t what the Fuck?!!!
I have been drawing digitally for 7 months now, did anyone have this problem before ??
I’m using Huoin kamvas pro 16

[Anonymous No.4226933]

>>4226614
Furry + cake

[Anonymous No.4226945]

>>4226923
Depression is not a natural state of being. It's like clenching a muscle. It's absolutely exhausting. Irritability is one symptom but maybe you're not sleeping good. Insomnia is another symptom.

[Anonymous No.4226960]

>>4226822
>wasting your life away, for not living your life to the fullest, for wasting your fucking potential.
From my point of view, you're the one wasting it slaving away trying to cope with your shit retail job
So shut the fuck up kid, you're not special, you don't have the keys to the absolute paradigm.

[guy No.4226962]

>>4223995
made a self-portrait
i guess i posted this here because... i don't believe in the haters.... *looks off into the Distance*
>>4226891
i believe in u carbro

[Anonymous No.4226989]

>>4226541
>Also to anyone out there struggling, Hamptons anatomy book is really approachable
I'm watching the video tutorials, his constant uptalking is driving me INSANE, but I shall persevere. I'm only on week 4, there are 16. God help me.

[Anonymous No.4227027]

>>4223995
I guess it's finally time to start my comic, I think I can start writing it now
Ooooooh, that's too hard, how do I know what a medieval library looks like, should I be writing already if I don't know the story front to back, uuuuuh

[Anonymous No.4227029]

>>4226945
Makes sense

[Anonymous No.4227036]

>>4227029
I had depression for about 2 decades. It will also make you dull eventually. You'll slowly start to watch yourself get retarded like an alzheimers patient. Which adds a while new layer of depression. I recommend seeing a therapist. I saw one for a few months. In the end tbqh what really helped was I smoked too much weed, got too high and had an intense panic attack. Then when I told the therapist what happened he helped me interpret my experience and that really hit the nail on the head. I believe that you are probably doing something you aren't proud of, maybe even ashamed of, that you know it's wrong but it's not hurting anyone so you rationalist to yourself that it's OK to keep doing it. You waste time on this thing. And you push that shame into your blind spot so you forget it exists. But over time pressure builds and eventually the subconscious will do something static like give you panic attacks and insomnia to get you to pay attention. So you have to figure out what behavior that is, and fixing address it, analyze it, stop normalizing it and force yourself to stop doing it. You'll feel better in like... 1 week.

[Anonymous No.4227047]

>>4227036
Thanks for the advice. Yeah I stopped going to therapy because I changed health insurances. I went for six months. Most of my depression stems from ptsd from childhood abuse. It did help me but I got scared off when my therapist was instant on meds. I lot of is now that I am just too hard on myself and in willing to not forgive myself for my own mistakes.

[Anonymous No.4227091]

>>4223995
I just realized that I'm a brainlet. I can't turn objects in my mind.
So, I just drew some hands which turned out alright. Then I twisted the reference picture and now it should be easy to draw that, but no, everything comes out skewed when it's just the SAME FUCKING PICTURE. I might just turn my canvas.
Now I'm trying to draw fucking cubes but turned by some degrees with respect to the original AND IT DOESN'T WORK.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4227095]

>>4226614
furry + pedophilia + bestiality.
Basicly it's kittens having sex.

[Anonymous No.4227097]

>>4227095
actually just the first 2, bestiallity is not necessary or expected at all

[Anonymous No.4227098]

>>4226960
(Un)fortunately your point of view is worthless to anyone who wants to achieve anything in their life, because you're speaking from a perspective of someone who views effort and hard work as something pathetic/something we should be ashamed of. This completely takes you out of the picture. No matter how much you despise the real, uncensored initial stages of the journey as a pro artist, the facts are there: Nobody in this industry gets anything for free and everyone starts at the very fucking bottom (which I dont even consider that bad - it could be worse). If someone doesnt have the privilege of living with someone who provides with them, they have to work hard, period, this is just basic logic at this point. And shitting on these people when they tell you theyre actually proud of themselves? Unbelievable levels of crabbing and egoism. You're not getting any "elite" points from aristocrat artists or whatever for spewing this crap, like i said before - nobody cares because its just unrelatable and irrelevant for anyone in the real world

>>4226902
I dont wanna start blogging too much here because I think I'm already doing it with all my rambling, but to keep it short - I slacked off with my art and getting commissions for a really long time before realizing there were people who started working hard when we were on the same level of skill and now theyre doing better than me and one of them finally told me in not very nice words what they think about my whining and doodling for fun. For which I thank him to this day. The shit retail job is a whole different issue which is self explanatory, I dont have anyone to provide for me

[Anonymous No.4227112]

>Can't use Marcias or Lillias as nude references because I get too aroused to focus.

[Anonymous No.4227118]

>>4227098
I know it's not really related to what you are focusing on in these discussions but do you have a girlfriend and/or friends that support your efforts?

[Anonymous No.4227130]

>>4223995
>i don't know enough english to learn

[Anonymous No.4227140]

>>4227098
Except I value hard work and meritocracy, what I don't is sheep like you who think that because they are miserable with a shit life and shit retail job then everyone else should follow the same path and be miserable as well
Then go and criticize/patronize people who disagree with their paradigm calling them kidult neet etc for not wanting to throw their life away
you did well deleting your post because your opinion, well, it's shit.

[Anonymous No.4227147]

>>4226685
>>4226822
>>4227098
You sound like every kid who thinks he has it figured out, believe me if time ever gives you something it's some perspective.
The ideas your passing off as fact are just parts of stoic(-ish) philosophy, something very attractive to young people since it provides a simple "solution" to an array of complex problems.


These anons just want to draw and not spend hours a day working in an unrelated job, THEY have someone willing to provide for them, and they took advantage of that to pursue what they want.
YOU don't, and have to take care of yourself, and work your ass off to provide.
>perspective of someone who views effort and hard work as something pathetic/something we should be ashamed of
They have the assets to sit around and pursue their passion, why wouldn't they take full advantage of it? Because they're not "contributing to society"?
If a billion dollars fell into my lap I'd retire and draw all day too

Are you upset over the opportunity you don't have? It's only natural but you'd be seething over every trust-fund rich kid on the street.
You seem like quite the hostile person, over essentially nothing. But we're all piss-and-vinegar at 19 so you'll grow out of it
>>4226901
well now you really outsed yourself as genuinely mad
The perspective I gained over the few years has grown me a lot mentally, and I'm sure that in a few years time I'll look back at myself now and think the same

[Anonymous No.4227272]

>>4223995
That fucking eating schedule thing hit me hard. How the fuck do you anons know me so well? are people like me THAT predictable?

[Anonymous No.4227292]

>>4227272
When things go bad in a system they always end up in a few ways. There's an electrical fire, the building collapses, you end up in an ambulance. The process behind the failure doesn't matter much when you're just making a list of symptoms. Similarly, the wojaks are just checking a list of things that go wrong when your life is a mess.

[Anonymous No.4227298]

>>4225340
I wish I had friends

[Anonymous No.4227327]

>>4226242
thank you anon, it means a lot to me. I was in a very bag situation in life this year but it is slowly improving I hope. It's just that things happen one thing after another and I just can't catch a breath. The most important things for me at the moment is probably keeping my part-time, full-time at school for 2 years, and draw when I can. I feel overwhelmed by personal issues that also come at me and my environment and peer that treats me like I don't have a future. It's alright I don't care about them, so I'm trying to pick myself up by pieces.

[Anonymous No.4227366]

>>4226746
Not the Anon but great post. Any suggestions for who to read up on to study these landmarks? I'd like to learn them.

[Anonymous No.4227394]

>>4227298
I wish I was loved

[Anonymous No.4227399]

>>4227394
I wish I had someone I can draw some neat art for and give it as a gift, to show that I truly care about her and that she could recognize it and be grateful and happy about it.

[Anonymous No.4227401]

>>4227399
That too would be nice. I used to do that in high school. I once painted their portrait and they couldn't care less.

[Anonymous No.4227431]

>>4227366
Bridgman and a 3D anatomy atlas, there are many even for tablets.

[Anonymous No.4227506]

Why am I so slow? Literally everyone else I know draws faster than me. Even those who are less skilled draw faster than me. It drives me crazy. I can't open comms because I'm SLOW. Are there any resources on drawing fast, am I just fucked?

[Anonymous No.4227529]

>>4227506
repetition, train your photographic memory
Draw reference > draw again but this time cover your reference and your other drawing > check for errors, draw again and correct it.
3 steps process. Don't try to draw again after 3 tries, if you wanna do that then at least wait a week later.

Other method, draw the same pose in different angles, do a 360 turns.

[Anonymous No.4227555]

I’m trying to get better at art but from IB giving me homework EVERY FUCKING DAY I can’t do shit. I’m always fucking tired, so I can’t draw. I’m stuck on basic figure drawing and I can’t improve worth shit. I genuinely want to fucking kill myself, seeing people who started out in this road just weeks ago and they’re already much farther than me. I want to kill myself, I know I’ll never improve. So, how should I an hero?

[Anonymous No.4227566]

>>4227555
This race is about stamina, not speed. Hang in there bro.

[Anonymous No.4227578]

>>4227555
>>4227566
And I also feel like shit because I’m literally the only one on the /beg/ thread who gets told to read the sticky. I look at the other /beg/s with replies such as “blog?” and it infuriates me. Was I made to fail, be laughed at?

[Anonymous No.4227603]

I don't know if my love life would be better if I dated other artistes. But I'd hate to be dead weight or feel insecure about my art.

[Anonymous No.4227605]

>>4227578
>“blog?"
lol, you realize most of these are self-shilling you know. You'll get used to it when you stay on /ic/ long enough (which hopefully you won't because that's the aim of graduating from /ic/)

[Anonymous No.4227607]

>>4227555
Pyw.

[Anonymous No.4227638]

i FUCKING hate trees. stupid motherfuckers

[Anonymous No.4227644]

>>4227607
So far I’ve only had time to make the basic model of heads. Added faces to some of them because I was bored

[Anonymous No.4227649]

>>4227644
"unga bunga waawaa i cannae draw good" is not a reason to kill yourself, but being a retarded whiny fag is. Everyone is bad in the beginning, a lot of people whose art you see have been drawing for a long time and don't have IB homework. Art is a quickly consumable visual medium so it's easy to make it look easy. Taking a crack at an artbook or two won't make you perfect overnight. It's pretty bad but keep at it anon I believe in you. Don't slack off on your academic studies.

[Anonymous No.4227652]

Sometimes I don't enjoy art then I'm wondering what's even the point if I'm not enjoying myself. What do.

[Anonymous No.4227657]

>>4227652
i asked peter han this question and he said to draw things you like, remember why you picked up drawing in the first place, and make art friends to suffer with together

[Anonymous No.4227683]

>>4227644
people put time in their art, idk maybe 6 hours a day? they got good, so you should too. jumping from 0 to 100 in one year is possible. pict related

[Anonymous No.4227684]

>>4227683
wrong pict

[Anonymous No.4227693]

I wanna die, nothing i make, makes me feel good it just makes me hate myself even more because it feels all objectively shit.

[Anonymous No.4227706]

i spent the last several years trying to develop original ideas and never getting anywhere because i set my standards too high and didn't want to be someone who just posts unfinished ideas/sketches all the time. there were many moments i felt tempted to just start doing fan art and gay furry shit like everyone else because it looked fun but i convinced myself i was better off sticking to my stagnant uninteresting ideas. i also wanted to keep my drawfagging/fanart world separate from my original ideas which made me anxious when my style became apparent in either and discouraged me from doing both. i had this delusional idea that they simply can't overlap.
i had hoped that sometime before the end of the decade i'd at least have a simple short little comic finished. i failed to do that and i have a pitifully small gallery of the handful of things i considered worth preserving in the last 4 years.
i decided a month or so ago to join a discord group sharing art with people just drawing for fun and basically doing what i should have been doing all along, and i don't really care about keeping my work separate anymore. i suppose that means i'm fine now except i feel embarrassed since i'm a bit older than most people in this group now and i know i could have been exactly where i wanted to be if i'd loosened up sooner.
it's not like it's the end of the world or anything, and i'm not trying to make it sound like it is, but i've failed myself tremendously in this way and i let my ego and (what i'm now aware is a) warped view of things take away from my ability to thrive and enjoy doing what i'm most passionate about in life, and i wasted valuable years. at least i got gud though.
tl;dr i had unrealistic standards and didn't let myself just have fun drawing for many years and i'm realizing my mistake now and just feel a little embarrassed how long it took me to realize it and that i'm starting fresh when i could have been well established by now

[Anonymous No.4227756]

I just dont get it anymore. At first I drew to kill time. Then I drew for fun. Then I learned about fundies and started grinding. Now I'm good, I'm not stellar or anything but I'm good enough that I thought, "you know what? Maybe it's time i finally find a way to go about marketing myself". But I never got around to that. Then I got tired, god knows why and from what, I really don't work that hard (or at all). And I got very jaded, too. Asking myself, "Why do I even draw anymore?" To me it all just seems like pointless stupid lines on some fucking paper or digital canvas. It's imaginary. It's not real. It's useless to anyone and everyone. I don't get why anyone would ever buy art, let alone my art. I know I'd never buy anyone's art. I don't get the point anymore. People always talk about passions, and especially with drawing, you need to "draw what makes you happy". Nothing makes me happy. Drawing infuriates me, it's not even difficult but it's useless and pointless and stupid. Nonetheless, I feel like there's nothing else I can do. All my life and it's the closest thing to a meaningful skill I've got.

This doesn't even scratch the surface of what's been on my mind lately. Mentally and emotionally I'm in turmoil, thanks to external circumstances (pathetic ones, perhaps, but I am a pathetic man). I don't know what to do, I feel like a caged animal. Maybe I ought to see a therapist. Feel like I'd be "giving in" if I did, though. Sorry for the blog. Enjoy the rest of your day/night, anons.

[Anonymous No.4227771]

>he just sits at home, writing essays on neoliberalism, while I'm killing myself at my slave job and being used and exploited by the System. My youth is wasted away while this anon prevails. In 40 years I will have to wipe the tears off my face with my hard earned money while he receives the Nobel Prize because he sacrificied his whole life to suffering of the lower class

see pic

sidenote
>19 year old
i can't believe how often the trope of kids thinking they know anything about anything turns out to be true, lol. they need to make this site 21+ for real. maybe even higher now that onions is making the period of adolescence stretch out even longer

[Anonymous No.4227774]

>>4227771
>>4226685

[Anonymous No.4227802]

>>4226822
>I'm 19 years old with shitty job in retail,
how much money have you saved
how much money is your time worth
how much money are you paid an hour
how much is the cost of living where you are
if you could spend 12 hours a day drawing, what would that be worth to you

>I don't live with my parents
nobody and i mean NOBODY gives a fuck

>I care about the money enough to do cheap commissions
saturating the market. not something to be proud of, rather something shameful

>I cannot stand making up ridiculous ("parents ruined economy"? really??)
it's a literal fact. you're basically retarded right now if you don't know what happened in the period between end of WWII and mid-late 70s, which is when this entire system which is failing us abysmally was set up (changes made to central banking, neoliberalist ideas being implemented globally, fuckery which led to housing crisis, casualization of workforce). you know what i can't stand? apologist faggots who are so stockholm syndromed they deny that their ancestors had agency in preventing this calamity of a situation we're now in. do you actually know just how easy my (and presumably your) parents had things?

i cannot stand your fucking fake yesman positive attitude about how we should "make do" with the system. i am done with the system. it goes right in the trash. i will live outside of the 9-5 labor market by any means necessary. i don't care if the system dies as a result. that's what i want.

>for not living your life to the fullest, for wasting your fucking potential
said by someone working a slave retail job for hours per day, presumably earning a fraction of their income potential if they had a skilled job. delusion

[Anonymous No.4227809]

>>4226822
>So many 20+ year old dudes nowadays are nobodies
you will be a 20+ year old nobody in a year. your retail slave job doesn't change that. YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THIS POINT. your slave job changes nothing, your 'independence' changes nothing, you will NOT earn or save enough money to do ANYTHING other than subsist with your regular job.

>this is #1 rule of human condition
no, it's the number one rule of neoliberalist capitalist realism and more and more people are completely over it. when automation hits i hope you have dumped some of your quote unquote "earnings" from your wagie job into gold or something, because good chances the whole shitconomy (not even a real economy anymore. doesn't deserve that term. failed system) will crash

[Anonymous No.4227829]

>>4227684
If I recall correctly there was an /ic/fag who managed to make it within 1 year of drastic transformation like that pict, I forgot what his name was but I do remember he moved on to Reddit to collect his internet points and fuck off forever.

[Anonymous No.4227831]

>>4227706
>>4227756
It's perfectly OK to have doubts, it's perfectly OK to lose your way. It took me 6 years to figure out what I wanted to do with art and I'm thankful for all the time I wasted because it helped me get there. There are no courses teaching you this, it's all introspection and it takes a really long time.

[Anonymous No.4227832]

Thinly veiled meta thread....

MODS

[Anonymous No.4227839]

I wish i had actual help outside this shithole of a board but even in college i feel like im not getting the help i need so i just feels like im trying to break a brick wall with a balloon

[Anonymous No.4227842]

>>4227839
there are people who begged for mentorship, so can you if you push in some effort, you have nothing to lose but them potentially saying "no" back at you.

[Anonymous No.4227847]

>>4227842
>mentorship to solely draw big tiddy anime coom
Have people actually suceeded with this?

[Anonymous No.4227862]

>>4226891
> Expecting normalfags to care about your autistic opinions about cars
Get fucked honestly, Elon is a great salesman that's it.

[Anonymous No.4227867]

>>4227847
>not learning how to draw HQ weeb porn by converting prestige from old master to anime.

[Anonymous No.4227875]

>>4227684
All that effort for bullshit mmo pin-ups. Don't wake me up.

[Anonymous No.4227882]

>>4227867
Imagine being a starving artist killing yourself in radioactive paint fumes, just for someone to trace your shit and put an anime face on it. c'est la vie.

[Anonymous No.4227884]

>>4226891

imagine being this out of touch

[Anonymous No.4227886]

>>4227603
it's not really worth it anon, from my experience. it's best to get someone who has a mild interest in art but a passion for something seperate. i've dealt with a massively insecure art gf, and it's no fun for either party.

[Anonymous No.4227896]

>>4227882
evolution of art is a wonderful thing isn't it.

[Anonymous No.4227901]

>>4227882
honestly what happens to your art after you die shouldn't be a concern, just assume the worst

[Anonymous No.4227909]

>>4226924
feeling the form is a mental pressure on where your hand is going, so any discomfort with the tools is going to interrupt your skills. Tbh it took me about 2 years to get where my skills fully transfer between traditional and digital. you've just got to push through the discomfort and get to a place where you're mind isn't distracted by the tools your using.

I'm using a cintiq 13hd that i've had for 6 years now, last year i tried out some new nibs (felt instead of the hard plastic ones) and those made a massive change in my comfort using digital. the slipperiness of the plastic nibs on a barely textured surface didn't work for me because i felt like i had a lot less control over my pen. the feeling of drawing on a too smooth surface can really hold you back if that's an issue you're facing.

[Anonymous No.4228061]

>start drawing to destress
>as i try to make the drawing better i get more stressed

[Anonymous No.4228168]

I want to talk to a professional who does something similar to what I do and doesn't reply to me with "your work is great, keep going anon". I suspect this place and surface level internet talk has given me a warped view of reality. I need a private, safe, bullshit-free, non-judgmental conversation, but I don't know where to get it.

[Anonymous No.4228173]

>>4228168
I dunno if that's normal or if it's some underlying issue, but I also seek the approval of authority. When a normie tells me my art is good it is irrelevant to me, that's like a cripple telling me I am a great athlete because I walked to the fridge to get a soda.

[Anonymous No.4228188]

>>4228173
It's not authority, just experience. But if an experienced artist who has a bit of a name replies to me, he'll just say "your work is great anon, keep going" because of course he won't slam me just like that. It's so jarring especially when they tell you that but the rest of the message is worded like the general situation is terrible. Artists who are only popular on a social media level are even more detached. Or maybe I have trust issues and I'm just too jaded.
There's a little voice in the back of my head that keeps telling me to try again, but I can't take getting burned yet another time.
I really just want a private, one time, 1 to 1 conversation that will stay private. I haven't been able to pour my heart out in such a long time. I couldn't even express myself here, but I see many people who share the same feelings so I might be just one of many people who aren't cut for it. I have lost all direction and there is nobody who can give me advice on a more personal, honest level.

[Anonymous No.4228189]

>>4228188
Experience IS authority to me.

[Anonymous No.4228191]

>>4226806
posing is a job and people who aren't used to it will do a terrible job at it.
Plus, models are cheaper than sex workers.

As for me, I really wished my life classes figured more men. I love women but more variety wouldn't hurt.
And also kids, but I guess getting kids to pose would be... difficult. And controversial if they're naked.

[Anonymous No.4228192]

>>4228168
>>4228188
Paid mentorship.
Giving deep, honest, tough and personal critique is a mentally exhausting activity. The only people willing to do it for free are failures in art. Even in the paid realm, it's hard to find one that is actually good in their craft.

[Anonymous No.4228195]

>>4228189
Yeah I meant just that specifically, there are many successful people who are not experienced and sort of stumbled through it. And even experienced people are sometimes so detached from the world of nobodies trying to get in that they don't have a perspective about it.
>>4228192
I know about mentorship but most paid mentors are just gurus. They have just enough high profile experience to sell themselves as life coaches and they just do that for a living. I have never seen an actual working professional offering mentorship. And though I'm willing to pay some money I don't have hundreds of dollars to spend on a one time conversation.

[Anonymous No.4228257]

>>4227831
>I'm thankful for all the time I wasted because it helped me get there
That's how I try to look at it too. I figure all that time evidently was time I needed to grow and find the right path. I guess I just feel regretful because in my case what turned out to be the right path was what I kinda already wanted to do all along, so I just feel incredibly stupid. But I'm grateful that I see things more clearly now. Thanks for the words of encouragement anon

[Anonymous No.4228296]

I hate low quality porn that gets 30k likes only because its porn

[Anonymous No.4228299]

>>4228296
>tfw my porn only gets 1 like

[Anonymous No.4228301]

31 year old boomer here.

not venting but just giving advice. I moved out of home at the age of 18 and have been wage slaving and paying rent ever since. You can give shit to the Neets living with their parents all you want, but at the end of the day, a 25 year old Neet has saved 7 years worth of money from NOT paying rent and hasn't wasted time working shit jobs. If you are one of said Neets please take advantage of this and use all your time productively, it is a blessing!

[Anonymous No.4228315]

>>4228301
>implying I'm making money

[Anonymous No.4228318]

>>4228301
Not all that relevant but millennials go up to age 38.

[Anonymous No.4228325]

>>4228315
It's implying time is money. Being neet and having not a dime to your name, but all the time in the world, it's a luxury that few people with money can afford.

[Anonymous No.4228332]

>>4228299
Blog?

[Anonymous No.4228336]

>>4228325
I physically can't earn money while being neet and living with parents, PayPal isn't working here where I live

[Anonymous No.4228347]

>>4228192
>paid
there goes that option when poor

[Anonymous No.4228350]

>>4228336
Wire transfer nigger

[Anonymous No.4228367]

>>4223995
i am probably good enough to make it but have such a crippling fear of rejection i can barely bring myself to write a query letter or make a job application to a job i'm not 100% qualified to do

[Anonymous No.4228647]

I hate my current art. I think it's obvious I'm burnt out and rushing through my work. But I just got back from a vacation. I can't tell my followers about it but I'm certain it's evident. I'm getting fewer likes. Less people are interacting with it. I feel stagnant and washed up. Experimenting and studying haven't helped at all. I see other people's art and I get so frustrated that they're making amazing shit while I run out of steam before I finish a basic sketch.
What's worse is all the free time I have feels wasted on dragging my feet through impassioned weekly garbage.

[Anonymous No.4228712]

>>4223995
>brain randomly generates the perfect username just as im about to go to sleep
>rare combination of words that rolls of the tongue and sounds cool
>wakes up next morning with a smile on my face
>checks availability
>its taken on every social media platform except yelp
>mfw

[Anonymous No.4228804]

>>4228647
You gotta work your way through the muck if you want to reach a level where you feel content with your art. Keep experimenting, it's not going to be clear that you gave improved instantly, but at least experimenting will teach you things if you're paying attention. People who can shit out visually appealing sketches in an instant probably have years of effort stacked compared to what you got.
Right now on my own blog, I feel I am doing better lately but I can still net lower numbers than what I used to putting out sloppier things. Blog attention can be a bitch, because people are most supportive to those who are brand new trying as a noob, and to those who put out exactly what the person wants to see. There's also the middle ground, being an average to low skilled artist, your existence is known for a while now and people dont care to push you anymore, nor are you putting out artwork everyone loves yet. I think I'm in that middle ground. I can't say for you, but you might be there too. Anyway, the attention or likes isn't the right thing to motivate you. You need to have your own goals and continue trying, no one goes from bad to good in a snap. You can look at those images where the art quality jumps from one year to another, but that is because they have been studying and practicing the correct things. If you look at your work from this January and compare it to work you've made this month and see 0 quality improvement, then yeah you might be studying incorrectly

[Anonymous No.4228813]

>>4228712
this but
>check availability
>it was taken in 2008
>last activity 2008

[Anonymous No.4228818]

>>4223995
Last year my band broke up and it was devastating, it's been almost exactly a year and I feel like I'm just now feeling better about myself day-to-day. It was really ugly and I lost my best friend who I considered my artistic soulmate during the fallout. Even though I know logically that it was his decisions and addictions that led to things ending the way they did, it still hurt and I think every day about what I could have done differently. It brought out an ugly side of me and I haven't thought about myself the same way since. Even though I was betrayed, the way I reacted wasn't 100% ok.

For five years I was a part of something, and almost all of my creative energies were consumed with this project, and once it was gone it was hard to keep living with the giant void that it left behind. My only choice now is to start fresh on my own with my own project that I can take ownership of and not rely on others, because people fail me so often in music and art.

[Anonymous No.4228832]

>>4228818
Oh yeah I should add that I work the same 9-5 that I had to support our work together and without that central driving force it's not as easy. It's even worse because we were starting to see more success and even a gallery show, but part of me thinks that people only cared about my art because of who I was in the band, not who I am or what my art is. Those feelings of doubt are really hard to overcome.

Also the party train kind of stopped when he left, which is the best for my health since all the coke and drinking would have probably killed me eventually, but life just doesn't seem as exciting in some ways.

[Anonymous No.4228845]

>>4228168
>I want to talk to a professional who does something similar to what I do and doesn't reply to me with "your work is great, keep going anon"
why don't you post your work so we can tell how shit it is?

[Anonymous No.4228848]

I turned into a doomer once I started coming here.
I get the whole "tough love" thing but some of you negroes need to chill.

[Anonymous No.4228925]

>>4226242
Not him, but this hit me in the right moment, thanks for the advice anon

[Anonymous No.4228949]

Art hard, me get frustrated some time, but feel good other time too. Me still like draw, but some days slow.

[Anonymous No.4228951]

>>4226891
I'm sure your designs are cool, but the cybertruck is cool too, and actually got into production.

[Anonymous No.4228959]

I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START PLEASE JUST GUIDE ME A LITTLE

[Anonymous No.4228962]

>>4228959
Start with your dick, let it be your guide.

[Anonymous No.4228968]

>>4228959
Did you try drawing

[Anonymous No.4228972]

>>4228962
I could, but I don't have one
>>4228968
I started DaB, but... I wanna do more than fundamental construction.
Should I just try to draw a reference pause it then look what's wrong on it?

Is that what "studying" is?

[Anonymous No.4228979]

>>4228972
You can't get more fundamental construction than boxes. Start drawing boxes around photos of heads, and then the general sphere of the skull inside the box, divide along the center and then brow/bottom of nose/mouth. Do that for five heads. Then draw 5 similar boxes in perspective (without any refs) and then sphere and divide...

[Anonymous No.4228982]

>>4228972
>I don't have one
Sure you do, you just haven't found it yet it is right above your peehole.

[Anonymous No.4229024]

>>4227886
That explains a lot

[Anonymous No.4229038]

>>4228979
You just spoke Chinese to me, but I am glad you did. I think I got it

[Anonymous No.4229087]

>>4224003
Right these, guys are sissies. They need to stop wacking it to porn 24/7 and just enjoy life ffs. Workout at least. Be lean. Fat sad puddles of cum.

[Anonymous No.4229092]

>>4224047
You sad puddle of cum. You don't have a girlfriend because you're desperate and needy. Probably fat and dress like a bum too.
Having fun drawing but also do more. Live life and take it easy. Self love and confidence comes first before a relationship you sissy.

[Anonymous No.4229099]

>>4229038
I'm sorry, let me show you...

[Anonymous No.4229178]

>>4229092
Nah I am skinny as fuck.

>Live life and take it easy

What does living a life mean? I don't have any opportunities to do anything other than sitting at home and grinding drawing, that's my life. I mean if I could have it a different way, then sure, way not.

[Anonymous No.4229213]

I am torn apart. When I take breaks from 4chan, I stop masturbating and don't even think that much about that but when I come here, I always relapse to daily or every two days fap and I become a mess.

The reason I come here is that I literally have no people to talk with so I don't know what I should do. I don't really want to come here but I have nothing.

[Anonymous No.4229297]

>>4229213
Join the DAD discord? That might help.

My vent: finally..FINALLY set my computer up and start working on a project. Less than 5 minutes in and the wind knocks the power out.

Guess I'll do something else.

[Anonymous No.4229313]

Who wants to make a suicide pact with me?
Because not only do I fail as a artist but a human as well.

[Anonymous No.4229318]

I feel like I hit my skill ceiling when it comes to art. Last several years have been very small improvements. And it’s not where I wanna be.
I keep going back to bad habits and have to retrain them out just for me to slip back into them. If it weren’t for my one friend who loves my art I’d quit.

[Anonymous No.4229319]

>>4229213
Relatable. 4chan is depressing. I usually come here for free shit, then I end up staying for the dumb shit.

[Anonymous No.4229323]

>>4224047
You sound like a less content version of me.
You care way too much.
I have 20 followers on twitter.
20.
That’s absolute garbage.
You’re not alone in the struggle in that there are plenty of people just like you.

[Anonymous No.4229389]

I miss her a lot

[Anonymous No.4229428]

>>4223995
God fucking damn.
I'm a meme.

[Anonymous No.4229439]

>>4228959
Start by drawing basic forms like boxes, spheres, cylinders and cones.
Try to balance studying with drawing for fun, get good sleep, exercise and eat properly.
Get a CGPeers account and soak up the free knowledge, Proko is a good teacher so watch his videos.
Pinterest is your best friend for references, Google is good too.
Browse Artstation once in a while and watch videos.
Keep a sketchbook always on you to doodle/repeat fundies while you have nothing to do, ignore others and don't be selfconcious while drawing in public.
6 years and you are going to reach a high int level while enjoying the journey and without stressing over drawing too much.

[Anonymous No.4229471]

I fucking hate myself

[Anonymous No.4229482]

>>4224171
my only goal is get $600 a month

[Anonymous No.4229618]

>>4223995
>save gif frames to desktop for easy access
>accidentally delete all desktop icons by shift+left clicking and not looking at tablet selections
blessed is the poorfag for he shall never know this feel

[Anonymous No.4229721]

I fucking hate social media. I just want to make it big while >just beeing myself, but I have to cater to my few hundred teenage followers, worry about upload schedule, people unfollowing for posting art I genuinely care about, using uwu relatable tumblr humor so that retards can comment on my shit and increase my engagement to attract more retards. I hate this whole song and dance, I hate the fact that I'm forced to take part in it, I hate the fact that I feel jealous of those pronoun-posting twitter jerkoffs who effortlessly curate 20k followers on each different platform, I hate the fact that I even give a shit about numbers instead of just drawing. All I want is a side gig making merch and commissions of art I like.

[Anonymous No.4229759]

>>4229439
1. Learn to draw good lines. Straight lines/Curved Lines/Wavy Lines/Parallel Lines
2. Learn to draw Circles
3. Learn Perspective --> Marshall Vandruff
4. Draw a bunch of Cubes and Spheres and Cylinders. Make them transparent and wrap lines around them.
5. FEEL THE FORM.

You can basically draw at this point. All it is from here is learning things like Anatomy and Construction (which you can now do because you know how to draw basic shapes).

[Anonymous No.4229798]

>>4229618
...recycle bin?

[Anonymous No.4229851]

>>4224061
*website

[Anonymous No.4229924]

>shadowbanned on all social media
>cant get the same reach as before
>dont want to make new accounts and start all over
>only places that are safe are pixiv and dA

i know its stupid to focus on likes and shit but its hard not to worry, i can't get commissions from normalfags then and they actually have money instead of horny neets
i want to die

[Anonymous No.4230007]

How do you get rid of hallucinations? I tend to have them more often around winter but it's quite bad this year.
Things I get are:
>loud static when it's silent during the day
>electric hum, a lot
>voices of people I know (just making sounds, not talking)
>shocking pre-dreams (i.e. dreams I get while half-asleep that end in something shocking) jolting me awake
>very, very long dreams

>inb4 see a shrink
So they can lobotomize me with pills?
>inb4 don't do drugs
Never done them, don't even smoke or drink

[Anonymous No.4230025]

>>4223995
i've been isolated for so long i don't think im even capable of making friends anymore. even getting gud at drawing doesn't mean much b/c i just feel bad all the time.

[Anonymous No.4230027]

>>4230007
Try reducing your use of electronics

[Anonymous No.4230031]

>>4230007
i used to get these sort of things when i was much younger. i put it down to too much sugar and stress. could have been something to do with the old books i would read too, something about hallucinogenic fungus.

[Anonymous No.4230033]

>>4229924
all social media? what'd you do for that to happen?

[Anonymous No.4230043]

>>4223995
>be me
>be horny
>but too scared to draw pee pee

like i have a nsfw account but i can't seem to draw lewds the way i want too.

[Anonymous No.4230044]

>>4230007
Learn to control them. Lucky duck. Learn meditation and mindfulness. YouTube has a lot of guided meditation videos. Of course. Find a God to protect you in your journeys.

[Anonymous No.4230045]

>>4229482
unironically this

[Anonymous No.4230049]

>>4229618
you can just ctrl z on desktop

[Anonymous No.4230054]

>>4225187
>When I use a reference it looks better but it just feels like cheating
Why do you niggas always think like this? There is no cheating, only tools, and it's not even tracing. Reference is NECESSARY even if you're good. How the fuck are you gonna learn the form and flow of real life if you're not using it to study? Fucking use reference you fag
Also look at your art and analyze what you think you've been lacking, then study that, grinding and repetition may be boring but having muscle memory and KNOWING how every form interacts with each other is the key to actually stop using reference and doing shit from imagination

[Anonymous No.4230055]

>>4229721
I feel you. I wanted to switch to mastodon/pleroma/pixelfed but the song and dance is the same

[Anonymous No.4230063]

>>4225685
i have a question and a /vent/
I'm not beg, mostly /int/, been grinding for a while and post sometimes. Sometimes i get a freelance job in sites like Upwork, but i never make more than like 50 bucks a month with art. How the fuck do i start to do commissions? I have a portfolio and socials but not many people ever likes or sees anything i post

[Anonymous No.4230080]

>>4229759
Any books or author artists to refer to for studying these? I'd like to hone the basics this holiday break.

[Anonymous No.4230089]

I haven't improved one bit, but I haven't really earnestly tried so whatever.

[Anonymous No.4230132]

Anybody else in a purgatory where you despise social media and want nothing to do with normies but at the same time long to share your work in the wild and maybe even have somebody fap to your work and admit they did? It is perhaps the most intimate and sincere compliment you can get where somebody liked the piece so much to the point you gave them a period of dopamine rush and euphoria.

I don't want the attention for myself, I want the art to live and breathe inside the minds of others and have somebody be thinking about it anticipating a good wank. Is that so much to ask?

[Anonymous No.4230149]

>>4230007
See a psycho analyst, sounds like you may have psychosis

[Anonymous No.4230196]

I got to study realism but can't bring myself to

[Anonymous No.4230224]

I don't have friends and I feel really lonely out there. I want to go to an artschool to learn 2D animation and get some friends or at least profesionnal relationship but I am a poorfag and I definitely can't afford something that cost 4000€ to 8000€ per year. Everytime I feel like I could do something a little better with my drawings, I always end up facing this reality and it fucks me up. We don't have jobs about animation or video games where I live so, I can't even learn while working at a company.
I don't want my life only to be about making money to survive but at this point, drawing porn on the internet seems like the most reliable thing to do for me. That's pretty sad.

[Anonymous No.4230254]

>>4230224
isnt there a drawing class in your town? i met a lot of nice people at mine and there is a friendly & relaxed atmosphere in general. some of the students are much younger than me (kids basically) but we still talk, i think they treat me like their cool older sister. there were some really awkward guys at the beginning, never talked to anyone and took crit very poorly, but i made it my habit to bother them with smalltalk and they opened up with time and we chat a lot now. generally i was surprised by how many guys were there, i expected the majority would be female but it was the opposite (they also offer a drawing course for architects/engineers so maybe thats why). im not saying everyone there is my best friend material but i actually made one very good friend and i generally feel much less lonely when i go there. we even have our christmas eve (usually awkward but still nice as i would be spending it alone otherwise). also i know a drawing class isnt exactly the best place to learn animation or digital art but its still practice

[Anonymous No.4230286]

>>4229721
Anon you need to raise your skill to what I would call "fuck off" levels. I follow artist that almost never interact with their audience, and yet easily get a minimum of 10k retweets on anything they post. I strive to be there because I hate the whole song and dance too, some of my peers do it effortlessly and I'm just sitting here suffering with boring comms.

[Anonymous No.4230347]

I'm lonely for romantic companion ship ahhhhhhhhhhh. It's distracting me from drawing. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh. I hate dating Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[Anonymous No.4230401]

>>4224009
>>4224003
Coomer is good because there is a 99.9% chance that meme won't get stolen by other normie sites like all 4chan memes

[Anonymous No.4230484]

>>4226242
thank you wise anon

[Anonymous No.4230493]

>>4230007
what age are you? mental illness can surface around mid 20s

[Anonymous No.4230500]

I started a new piece after walking the streets. In my minds eye I see it as a large painting but instead I've chosen a small canvas. I'm thinking especially of a small landscape painting at the Courtauld. Small paintings can draw in the viewers gaze more successfully. Miniaturisation itself is a wonder. I saw some landscape I'd like to paint too, it's not especially ground breaking work but I have a feeling from it at least. Lots of art is waiting to be finished though I work slowly. My unhappiness and lack of resources tethers me. But also, I try to catch a moment.

[Anonymous No.4230502]

>>4230500
*'

[Anonymous No.4230518]

I love sketching, it's so much fun. But goddamn it, is doing lineart unpleasant, and it always ruins the things I'm proud of. It genuinely makes me afraid of even trying, I rarely finish anything nowadays.

[Anonymous No.4230522]

>>4229087
I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.4230576]

>>4230518
Hey anon, this might help you. I was reading through Marc Taro Holmes’ The Urban Sketcher and this quote about line work inking gave a bit of an ah ha moment:

“You never want the ink line to feel like busy work. It shouldn’t be a chore to refine in ink on top of your scribble. Never approach it like you’ve already drawn the thing and now you’re on autopilot. To that end, practice making the most with the least by doing a completely minimal scribble.”

I would always be as perfect as possible on my sketching, and then trace cleanly over to make my inked lines, but it always killed the emotion of it.
Realizing that the sketch should just be a guideline and to really be calligraphic when doing the line art helped me enjoy it more and keep thinks loose.

[Anonymous No.4230583]

>>4230576
My sketches are really clean and detailed, that's probably it. Don't know how to kick the habit.

[Anonymous No.4230777]

>>4230254
I was at the only artschool we have here at my place for about three years and sadly I didn't really learn that much (cheap school means cheap classes I guess). I tried to get some friends I can work with to compensate for the lack of teaching and that failed. I am probably the awkward type guy and I usually don't talk that much. But during these three years, even though it was tough, I tried. I met some nice people, but I never was able to truly make friend with them. I felt restricted in what I could do or say around them and it didn't work. I don't know if the problem comes from me or if I just met the wrong people but for the whole time I felt like a stranger in a place where I was supposed to belong.

[Anonymous No.4230798]

>spend days being a neet and grinding art gains
>online friends i've known for years wanna plan big meet up, first time a lot of us would be meeting one another
>closest friend in the group invites me to join in
>this is crazy to me, this feels like once in a life time thing, know i need to go
>resolve to get a job, sacrifice gains, and make sure i save up enough to live comfortably for a week in the meet up state
>do exactly that, been wagecucking 2 months now
>the meet up is the week before christmas so if i go i'd lose job, that's okay it's worth it for this group and I'll just find something new when I get back
>chatting today with said group, we're shooting the shit, asking dumb questions trying to poke fun at each other
>One says something along the lines "Haha Anon c'mon, you had a job for like 2 months and are gonna quit, get real" while they dogpiled on me, 2nd person basically said the same shit to me yesterday

I got this shitty job and I'm letting myself lose it so I can meet up with you dickheads, what's so funny bout the effort I put forth to spend time with my friends.

[Anonymous No.4230900]

>have nice night job thats easy pays great, can listen to audiobooks the whole time and its only 4 hours a night which leaves me plenty of time for drawing
>just found out my contract wont be renewed, my final working day is 31 dec 2019 so ill be starting 2020 jobless

FUCK

[Anonymous No.4230960]

For the longest time ever I have stopped enjoying art whatsoever. Whenever I finish drawing something I feel like throwing up. I kind of think it's some kind of mental illness I caught because I'm not like this way when I'm doing other stuff. Whenever I finish a picture I feel like no one would ever find it appealing, and when I actually get occasional positive feedback on my stuff I assume they're lying or they're clueless normalfags. I want to get better at drawing but everytime I look at my drawings they repulse me.

[Anonymous No.4231018]

I've slowly been transforming into the OP image and it's killing me, I thought I'd acquired artist friends but jokes on me im back at square 1 even though I helped one of them through some shit they were going through I guess it meant nothing in the end once they were back on their feet they fucked off to their other artist discords and rarely converse with the people that helped them anymore. I want to say part of me seen this coming as their personality seemed really petty but that's on me for getting attached.

I still hang around the server to keep up appearances as they're bigger artist than me but watching them hang with others is eating away at me. Seems like I'll never join the inner circle of artist that draw the same subject as me, I'm probably not good enough to be taken seriously anyway despite having a decent following myself I don't feel like I have any friends besides normie ones.

I really want to leave it all behind and fuck off to other sites but when I try to I can't help but to keep checking in on what everyone's doing. I wish I could kill that feeling and move on.

I can't draw like this, I wish I never met these people. This shit hurts.

[Anonymous No.4231019]

>>4227327
>>4228925
>>4230484
I love you all, anons. Hope you can all figure your troubles out, or at least figure out a way to deal with them.

There's a lot of crabbing and malicious words and sentiment thrown around this board, but we're all people trying to make it in life in the end.

[Anonymous No.4231068]

>Have to struggle to invent energy for drawing after getting back from work
>Manage to push myself to drawing
>Everything goes wrong. turns out shitty
>Learned nothing
>As a matter of fact. Discover that for some reason I forgot the things I learned over the last month
>Feel a little sad and extremely angry

[Anonymous No.4231104]

>>4223995
i drew my first horse cock tonight.
it's just a inside-joke joke pic, but still, i've avoided drawing dicks and lewd shit like the plague ever since i started.
i doodled some regular dicks this weekend because i friend thought i couldn't/wouldn't. i haven't been able to stop. am i just growing up or am i destined to draw degenerate stuff?

literally everyone in my life has made the joke or assumed it's my job (my main source of income is digital art commissions) and i don't want to become the very thing i swore not to

[Anonymous No.4231156]

>>4229721

Pretty much this >>4230286 , I know a guy who posts art two times a month and then disappears and he made 10k on twitter in 3 months, just git gud

[Anonymous No.4231262]

holy shit my eraser symbol is stuck to my cursor no matter what tool I select AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.4231601]

>>4231262
Update your device drivers and check for art program updates

[Anonymous No.4231791]

i fucking hate drawing furries but they're the only thing that makes me money

[Anonymous No.4231824]

>started as a part of some big fandom
>now anything else gets completely ignored

[Anonymous No.4232161]

>/beg/ gets no attention in /beg/ thread
>makes thread
>WAHHH GO BACK TO /beg/
i dont get you guys if someone needs help and arnt getting it in the thread they gonna make a thread and then you complain about the thread they make instead of helping them only deciding to help them when they make a thread

[Anonymous No.4232195]

>>4224003
Ok ooomer

[Anonymous No.4232327]

>>4224003
its just capitalization of actual internet creativity. Extremely tiresome to watch it happen.

[Anonymous No.4232373]

jesus wchrist what

[Anonymous No.4232552]

>>4223995
>people start asking if I have a patreon
B-bros...

[Anonymous No.4232605]

Anyone else her set out to draw fundies but it just turns into fanart / a character design you wanna play with

I wish I could separate the 2, but its just so fun to make up characters

[Anonymous No.4232992]

HOW THE FUCK DO I START FREELANCING?
Do i send my portfolio to art directors? will they even touch it? i just wanna make the transition from wagecuck to freelance now that i feel i'm finally good enough but i have no idea how and only did like 2 freelance projects this year

[Anonymous No.4233048]

>>4231156
>>4230286
I already know this amazing artist with "fuck off" level of skill draws porn fanart

[Anonymous No.4233088]

>>4226989
his videos suck, just read the book. if you're watching videos then watch huston or scott eaton

[Anonymous No.4233117]

>save up some money
>tooth starts hurting
fuck, I don't wanna go to the dentist

[Anonymous No.4233150]

>quit shitty wageslave job
>thought I would draw all day
>draw half the day
>kind of want to go back for part time work
I feel like I've been conditioned for slavery or something I don't know for sure maybe I should just stay the fuck away because I know how completely awful a job it is. I just want a paycheck and I don't really need it. I'm not sure why even.

[Anonymous No.4233777]

>>4233150
It takes time for your body/brain to adjust to having 16 hours of complete free time as well as dedication. Sitting down and staring at a blank canvas for 8 hours is pretty hard to do if you don't already have a project you know you need to finish soon.

[Anonymous No.4233782]

>>4233150
That's called freedom and you should be glad because it means you can finally think for yourself. You just haven't begun to yet because you're not used to it.

[Anonymous No.4233828]

I really really really don't want to lean anatomy
I don't wanna learn all the muscles I don't understand how I'd even memorize where they go or how they work. The sheer concept of it stresses me out, when I look at those anatomy books with dozens of pages about a single body part I get intimidated and just never touch it again.

[Anonymous No.4233858]

>>4233828
"all the muscles" aren't necessary at all. You probably want you learn the major muscles. Uld Zarins' book is a good one, and it's not big either. Check it out. Anatomy really helps in understanding how things actually move. Biggest part in my opinion is of course, understand where muscles contract and relax. Adds a lot of believability and robust-ness unless you're going for a stylistically heavy approach, in which case anatomy other than basic/customized/invented shapes shouldn't matter.

[Anonymous No.4233860]

>>4233858
>understand where
understanding*
>Uld Zarins
Uldis Zarins*(Anatomy for Sculptors)
and other unimportant grammatical mistakes, I'm half asleep.