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4248724 No.4248724 [Reply] [Original]

>grug was a better artist than 90% of /ic/

Damn

>> No.4248728
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4248728

>>4248724
based
he could sculpt as well

>> No.4248764

>>4248724
To be fair 90% of /ic/ doesn't even know what's outside his rooms door. Grug had hand on experience and butchered those beasts his entire life

>> No.4248769

decadent trash

>> No.4248770

>>4248724
Cave paintings unitonically have soul and passion in them, so dynamic
It boggles my mind how grugg could create art like this

>> No.4248792

>>4248724
Ugh ugh thread no longer alive for this?

>> No.4248886

>>4248770
Grug see
Grug draw

>> No.4248913

>>4248724
A thing that I wonder when I see this is: You don't paint like this when you do it for the first time. They must have practiced this a lot, so how and where did they practice, what was their medium if it wasn't the cave walls?

>> No.4248973

>>4248913
Stick on sand

>> No.4248974

grug had all day to practice without any modern distractions

>> No.4248986

>>4248724
>>4248770
not only that, but they also were more accurate with the leg positions, than Leonardo da Vinci or any other Renaissance painters. it makes sense though, as they were hunters.

>> No.4248993

>>4248986
How do you know cavemen were primitive and not an advanced civilization? How do you know these cave paintings arent done by kids running around outside like how we have today kids are doing graffiti?

>> No.4248996

>we found old weapons and shit

All fake. Like dinosaur bones.

>> No.4248999

>>4248913
Aliens

>> No.4249013

>>4248993
We would assume an actual advanced civilization would leave remains that are indicative of an advanced civilization. Instead we usually find rather primitive tools and such in these caves.

>> No.4249015

>>4248913
Maybe the cave wall was for practice (some bulls have been painted over) and the real paintings were for somewhere else.

>> No.4249018

>>4249013
If they were very advanced maybe they took everything with them on their space ship, only leaving behind the amateurish children's drawings and play tools

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>>4248993
where did I say, that cavemen were primitive? I just said, they were more accurate in the depiction of quadruple animals, than any other pre-Muybridge painters that came after that. naturally though, they were more primitve than us.
all the findings show that the paleolithic cavemen from that time were nomads, lived in small families and were spreaded thinly throughout the world. they didn't live in an advanced civilization.
the paintings have been extensively analyzed. the artists of Cueva de las Manos for example were adult, the stencils even indicate, that one artist had a broken finger.
the paintings like in OP show a keen understanding and experience for the animals and the practice of hunting. it's more probable, that the artists were adults.

>> No.4249055

>>4249033

So you're telling me just because they hunted animals they could also draw them well? Africa is well known for their hunters--why don't they have really detailed paintings? They have paints they use on their bodies and faces. They could easily do the same.

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>>4248999

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>>4248724
>A dude who doesn't even have arms is better than you
https://youtu.be/ZGKmSHNyiAY

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4249074

>>4249055
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

no you dumb moron. I never said that hunting animals make you a good drawer.
the artists of these times were primarily hunters. they chose to depict animals, their prey. and they were more accurate in depicting them, than any other pre-Muybridgean artists.

>> No.4249078

>>4249072
His art is only admired BECAUSE he has no hands and is showing it on video. The art by itself would receive no attraction.

>> No.4249084

>>4249065
>@decolonial.meme.queens

>> No.4249100

>>4249065
White ppl ARE aliens, nigger

>> No.4249132
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4249132

How did Grug figure out a 3/4 view when all ancient and medieval 2D art is overwhelmingly flat

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>>4249132

>> No.4249141

>>4248770
Grug just grinded his fundies 15 hours a day every day.

>> No.4249147

>>4248770
Probably had his shit all figured out and the art work was an extension of a well lived life.

>> No.4249185

>>4249132
Maybe because Grug merely painted what he saw and wasn't spoiled with knowledge.

>> No.4249239

>>4248770
Because the people back then lived the way we're supposed to live.

>> No.4249249

>>4248724
90% of /ic/ don't even draw

>> No.4249253
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4249253

Grugs make sculptures

>> No.4249282
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4249282

Ugh, you call this stylized doo-doo "art"? Where realism? Where truth? How spirits know to send game if no can render accurately?

>> No.4249283

>>4249253
No way... If this shit belongs to the period I think it belongs i'm killing myself

>> No.4249287

>>4249239
The lawcomic is in the middle of a really cool digression on this, actually. Starting here: http://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=5262

>> No.4249288

>>4249282
Fuck that looks pretty cool, didn't expect cavemen to have a good cartooning sense

>> No.4249289

>>4249282
>Grug dreamed of fat meaty game with small legs so it's easy to catch
Oh Grug

>> No.4249294

It's all un the mental clarity I guess, no way this guys can paint better than most modern humans just by cheer luck ir because they where the first, their works are urinonically good on their own standards and even for today standards.

>> No.4249307

>>4249283
12 000 BCE

>> No.4249424

>>4249253
Holy fujxin shiet that's insane

>> No.4249539

>>4249065
Just because whiteys can't do it doesn't mean its made by niggers though.

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>>4249307
>12 000 BCE

>> No.4249546

>>4249141
Yeah, i guess the artists of those times did nothing but eat, fuck and draw. Sounds like an awesome life doesn't it?

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4249555

>tfw an abused elephant paints better than you
Is low intelligence required to be an artist?

>> No.4249556

Grug got lots of exercise to make his brain and eyes good. Grug cut open animals and saw how their parts were connected. Grug observed and drew what he saw.
Grug didn't get discouraged just because Krot had been drawing since he was ten years old.

>> No.4249561

>>4249539
there is more than just white and black people in the world

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>>4249555
>He thinks his IQ is above that of an elephant

>> No.4249767

>>4249555
if you get beaten everytime you make a mistake like the elephants you could make good artists out of /ic/ too

>> No.4249842

>>4248724
cave paintings are based. god bless grug and grugina

>>4249239
dying of cholera?

>> No.4249852

>>4249767
Proof? /ic/ already beats themselves up like a bitch.

>> No.4249860

>>4249852
mental flagellation doesnt count

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>>4249842
>dying of cholera?
that only happened tens of thousands of years later, after people started settling down in fixed, densely-populated towns and cities. it's not something that small nomadic bands in sparsely-populated territories would get.

>> No.4250566

>>4248724
Grug draw from life.

>> No.4250567

>>4249289
kek

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>>4249132
Ancient art was not flat....Grug was top tier, though

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All we know about paintings is from what actually survives, like these roman wax paintings from about 200ad. It's possible that painting never "died" in the middle ages but that none of it survives, since paintings are only preserved if they're highly valued. In the middle ages the most prestigious art form was architecture and sculptute, everything else was more or less just a monk hobby

>> No.4250603

>>4248770
isn't there a short comic about this
artists keep going back saying the old stuff was better and the punchline is like a caveman being a chad

>> No.4250606

>>4250603

nvm someone actually posted it. dont remember the faggy filter though
>>4249134

>> No.4250727

>>4249078
Its still good... its still better than me and i think most artists here

>> No.4250730

>>4249100
We come in peace ,my african american

>> No.4250753

>>4249141
Grug had more leisure time than wageslaves while living a more fulfilling life than neets. Clearly he was fitter both mentally and physically than us and his paintings depicted that.

>> No.4250781

>>4250753
this is depressing as shit. even if I get better at managing my own life, I still do live in an overpopulated hellhole of a world, which I cannot get away from. the noise is seriously making me sick.

>> No.4250816

>>4249546
>eat, fuck and draw
civilization was a mistake after all

>> No.4251088

>>4249100
BASED

>> No.4251415

>>4250781
I feel you brother

>> No.4251472

>>4250573

Roman fresco art is weird. It's obvious that they knew perspective, but they didn't keep consistent vanishing points.

I guess a lot of late mideval art is like that too. They started using perspective again, but the individual buildings are all going off in their own directions, with no consistent horizon line.

>> No.4251473

>>4248913

Birch bark?

>> No.4251478

>>4249282

If you told me this drawing was from 1962 I would believe you. It legitimately reminds me of mid-century advertising art.

>> No.4251482

>>4249555

Elephants weird me out, man.

>> No.4251497

>>4248770
loomis

>> No.4253000
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>>4248770
>It boggles my mind how grugg could create art like this
People 45,000 years ago had the exact same brain that modern humans have. They had fully complex language (which our brains are wired for). They made music. They had imagination, creativity, and excellent tool-making and problem-solving skills. You could teach cavemen calculus and quantum physics, if you went back in time.
What's mind-boggling isn't that they created wonderful art. What's mind-boggling is that we think it's mind-boggling.

>> No.4253012

>>4253000
>People 45,000 years ago had the exact same brain that modern humans have
Not true. We have lost an approximately golf ball sized amount of brain mass. And yes, this accounts for race.

>> No.4253017

>>4253012
We're devolving huh

>> No.4253031

>>4253000
>You could teach cavemen calculus and quantum physics, if you went back in time.
Probably not. Intelligence is something that took a long time to evolve. The average intelligence of a person today is much higher than a person 35,000 years ago. Homo sapiens emerged 300,000 years ago. Calculus emerged 300 years ago. Assuming a steady upward trend in IQ for most of history, you can imagine the difference. Even the average person today can't understand calculus. If you want to see what early humans are capable of, the bushmen (average iq of 70) would be a very generous reference.

>> No.4253035

>>4253031
You supposedly can't know your IQ without an expensive in depth test but we also can assess trends in IQ over centuries and millennia before the system was invented. Isn't 100 always the average? So their 100 is our 70 or what? How do we know this? Scientists took their tike machines back to the stone age and tested the cavemen

>> No.4253037

>>4253017
Yep, since the industrial revolution. For most of history being intelligent predicted fertility. If you were smart you were wealthy and your children survived. After the industrial revolution that started to flip. Now not only are stupid people capable of surviving, but intelligence is negatively associated with having children. The two strongest predictors of fertility in the west are low intelligence and religiosity.

>> No.4253042

>>4249282
>Grug invented the "Brother may I have some oats" meme

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>>4253031
>>4253035
>>4253037

Human intelligence evolved in an amazingly brief period of time, which some call the "cognitive revolution." It only took a few tens of thousands of years for us to go from "archaic" homo sapiens, with this body but a more animal-like brain, to "modern" homo sapiens with human intelligence, language, culture, episodic memory, sophisticated theory of mind, and all the other things we think of as uniquely "human." These are all powerful survival advantages, so strong positive selection pushed changes through the whole population, in evolutionary terms, essentially overnight!

IQ is believed to have been fairly high in pre-agricultural times, because (1) you needed it to survive, and (2) those who couldn't keep up with the class got left behind. IQ was less and less necessary the more sedentary our lives and the more menial our labor, so the average 100 IQ during the industrial revolution is believed to have been less impressive than the average 100 15,000 years ago.

That has been changing as the world has gotten more complex to navigate. Ever since the early 20th Century, each successive generation has been demonstrably quicker on the uptake, so that someone scoring a 100 in 1910 wouldn't be anywhere near average today.

This is well-documented, and is known as the "Flynn effect." Each generation since World War II is roughly an entire standard deviation brighter than the one before, in most developed countries. So if you were "gifted" in your generation, you'd only be "average" compared to your childrens' generation.

Some argue that it's working in both directions, that the smart are getting smarter, while the dumb are getting dumber, as the two populations self-segregate after college, and social programs ensure little survival disadvantage to low IQ. Some speculate that's why the Nordic countries have been seeing a general "reverse Flynn effect" for about 30 years now. I'm not sure I buy these arguments, however.

>> No.4253103

>>4253066
hasn't there been a decline in the average IQ in the western world? the younger generations also display a shorter attention span, which might be caused by computers and social media.
I am german and i can speak from observation, that the german language has been severely butchered.

>> No.4253120

>>4253066
>>4253103
My understanding of recent intelligence trends is that while IQ scores are increasing, general intelligence (G) is decreasing. IQ tests also test logical/reasoning skills which are taught in schools. The more a question is unaffected by education, the more "G loaded" it is. If you control for this, G is on the decline though it's made up for by education.

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>>4253103
That has not been observed in the U.S. or Canada, but it has definitely been observed in the U.K., Scandinavia, Germany, France, and Australia. The decrease in average IQ in these countries seems to have begun in the 1990s.

Explanations vary, and I'm not sure there's any hard data lifting any of them out of the realm of speculation.

Some say, for example, it's because of all the mass immigration of lower-IQ people from less-developed countries. Others say, as you mention, that youth culture has gotten less achievement-oriented overall in such countries, and is able to get by with less attention span and less of the idle time that enables the reflective thought that exercises the brain. For all I know, such ideas may or may not be valid. I really can't say.

I can say that there's a general slowing as populations get to a certain level. Perhaps developed nations are starting to bump up against the IQ we originally evolved to have, and we're not likely to go much beyond it. Brains are expensive things to evolve, and once you're "smart enough" to out-compete your ecosystem, there's no point in getting smarter, so there's little evolutionary pressure beyond sexual attractiveness—though, as bird displays demonstrate, that can reward expensive evolutions, so...

Back on topic, the news is reporting that pic-related was just discovered in Indonesia, and is believed to be the oldest human artwork, from 44,000 years ago, which is about the time humans started to settle there. How cool is that!

>> No.4253124

>Your art will never last thousands of years and be appreciated by millions

Like tears in the rain

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>>4248724
>going from potato lion to straight-up realistic in the span of a dozen paintings
grug was a fucking maniac, holy shit

>> No.4253135

>Based grug dedicated his time on SOUL instead of COOMER art

>> No.4253138

>>4249555
The fucking fuck.....

>> No.4253140

>>4253138
How can humans even compete?

>> No.4253148

>>4253120
This is correct. The uptick in IQ that the Flynn Effect is measuring is in regards to crystallized intelligence (things that are taught).

Every time modern medicine saves an idiot who near died because of his idiocy the gene pool is further diluted.

>> No.4253150

Evolution is proven fact anon. What's your excuse for being worse than grug?

>> No.4253160

>>4253140
I'm impressed and creeped out

>> No.4253167

>>4248724
This is the power of drawing from life, people.

>> No.4253171

>>4249555
I heard the elephant taped a peanut to a wall and got $200.000

>> No.4253188

>>4253171
I hope the check went through before the monkey came along and ate it!

>> No.4253356

>>4249555
that elephant is not creative, it's been trained to do that. you can see how it's a show.

>> No.4253361

>>4249015
I've heard that they were painted over as some sort of hunting ritual.

>> No.4253403

>>4253066
Yeah but if you took a baby born in 1890 and raised in in the modern world it'd be just like any other kid now.

>> No.4253792

>>4253124
Not with that attitude it wont be!
Just keep creating art and try your best to share it and have it recognized. Also, keep a large portion of it hidden in various places so that after you die people will discover some of it and they will be intrigued, and hopefully, they will keep searching for you hidden art for as long as it will take them to find it all.
Good luck, anon! Bury your artistic treasures!

>> No.4253803

>>4251472
The medieval shit was because stylization, not that they didn't know art. Kind of like saying that cartoonists don't know body proportions because they draw the heads way too big

>> No.4253805

>>4249555
that pretty neat, have other animals also besides elephants trained to make paintings?

>> No.4254033

>>4248724
>praising literal prehistoric scribbles on walls
Damn I thought not even /ic/ could stoop this low

>> No.4254047

>>4254033
Face it, those scribblings beat at least half of /ic/

>> No.4254152

>>4250781
I didn't need to be reminded of this feel

:....((

>> No.4254183

>>4248913
Probably outside, where it would be washed away by rain, or they cleaned it off the wall. Those painting only exist now because they're deep in caves with little wind, or moisture. You could destroy them with a handful of sand, rubbing it off the wall. We don't know much about them, other than there are a lot of them, and probably a lot more buried we never will, and way more that were destroyed back then.

>> No.4255579

>>4253133
huh, do you think grug just drew over or erased the drawing he didn't quite like?

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4255606

>>4253356
Don't be mad because you see yourself in an uncreative elephant.

>> No.4258160

>>4248999
>no rastapopoulos meme

>> No.4258382

>>4253167
Did they draw from life? Did they seriously drag a buffalo down into a fucking cave so they could use it as a ref?

>> No.4258533

>>4248770
well, they need to dissect and pull the skin apart. Hands-on anatomy with real skelly, internal organs and while they're being chased by wild beast, that's when they'll become aware on how the animals did that and learns the gestures. Even old masters and some mad scientist used to dig graves for skeletons.

>> No.4258850

>>4248724
grug have more time
no distraction box

>> No.4258878

>>4249555
>that big fucking chain around its neck
poor thing

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4258902

>>4253803

This is the kind of thing I'm talking about.

There's a sense of perspective on the individual buildings, but no unified horizon line or vanishing points. They had an idea of perspective, but it was intuitive, not mathematically described or formalized.

>> No.4258911

>>4253805
n*gg*rs

>> No.4258962

>>4253803
Bullshit. Linear perspective had to be invented.

>> No.4259133

>>4258382
>before/while eating it
Why not?

>> No.4259356

>>4258962
Brittanica says linear perspective was known to ancient Greece and also to ancient Rome. The principles were re-discovered by architect Filippo Brunelleschi in 1415, and then documented by architect Leon Battista Alberti in 1435.

>> No.4259375

Anybody have the PDF version of Grug's original tutorial series of cave paintings?

>> No.4259772

>>4258962
It was invented way before the medieval period

>> No.4259777

>>4258902
Yeah, that's what I mean. Do you seriously think they could figure out how to draw a single building in perspective but somehow not a city?

It's a stylistic choice they took, not that they were lousy

>> No.4259807

My guess is these people had a much, much better visual memory. Which also makes perfect sense if you consider their life.

>> No.4259907

>>4249555
>clever hans
Not impressed.

>> No.4259951

>>4259772
And then forgotten until after it

>> No.4260350

>>4249289
Ur a funny guy anon. Grug hunt you last

>> No.4263486

>>4248724
Nice symbol drawing douchebag

>> No.4263510

>>4249555
is this animal abuse?

>> No.4263514

>>4249055
They did. Look up pre-saharan Africa. The place was a paradise before desertification fucked everything up. There is art from then.

>> No.4263616

>>4263510
maybe. supposedly they train the animals to do it, they don't just give them paints

>> No.4263618

>>4249100
write a movie. it would be the next thing.

>> No.4263666

>>4253012
>size = intelligence
hm. so why is the great blue whale considered dumber than the orca?

>> No.4263679

>>4259356
was reading even a skill half the population was capable of even then? it doesn't matter if someone figured something out, they didn't even have internet for it to spread like wildfire