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>>34757677
It resolves the two main problems Gou presents. Satoko gets over her obsession with the past/Hinamizawa, Rika knows she won't be used as a piece in someone else's game again.

Yeah, they still would be left with other issues, but I don't think after he dismantled Matsuri R07 will just turn around and attempt to present the new ending as a new matsuri golden ending where nothing bad can happen afterwards.

>>34757778
There's an idea around that at least it doesn't make much sense for Rika to grow up into that girl at St. Lucia, and that Satoko is somehow trying to separate Rika from that witch inside her. Because somehow Rika couldn't just grow into a boring ass neglectful tea drinker or something.

>>34757756
>Why would she care about Rika staying anymore if she wants Keiichi's dick?
As I said, Tataridamashi's ending must have shown Satoko that being with Keiichi is a dead-end for some reason.
>Huh? Be more clear in your explanation please.
If you inject someone at L1, they go L3. If you inject someone at L3, they go L5.
> she didn't know about them then she wouldn't have needed to make Rena the crazy one instead of Keiichi in Onidamashi, or Mion instead of Shion in Watadamashi, or Ooishi/Teppei (?) instead of Keiichi in Tataridamashi.
The point is to make someone unexpected go L5 so Rika's solutions don't work anymore. This was the case in every arc except Tataridamashi so far (since Ooishi wasn't injected).
>And what do you mean went wrong when Rika died which is Satoko's goal?
Rika died before she could remember the tragedy.
>So what? She can make him go crazy if she wants to just like it happened in Nekodamashi. What exactly would these leaks do? Tell him Satoko's the culprit? No, he never found out.
I mean that's why being with Keiichi is impossible.
>Huh? All she said was "save me", just like in the original minagoroshi.
She was angry, then she cried.
>And the Teppei part where he fights Keiichi? And Ooishi going crazy? Coincidences?
R07 said Ooishi wasn't injected. Ooishi and Teppei would be related.
>Actually, why DIDN'T she want Keiichi's dick back then?
He was not nii-nii back then.
>You can do that in an infinite amount of ways when you have infinite chances. Hell even if we discard that fact, how about simply, gee I dunno, repeating shit to prevent Teppei and Ooishi from getting violent? She has infinite stamina.
As I said, something must have happened that made her realize it's impossible to be with Keiichi. Probably memory leaks.
>The fuck they are, Keiichi went crazy in Nekodamashi, no memory leaks to tell him to be a good guy then.
If anything triggers Keiichi, he goes L5 quickly even without H173.

>>34757823
You know how else they could achieve this?
Create a perfect world where all issues are solved instead of Rika's half-assed asspull ending.
Then looper Rika, looper Satoko and the others can live there in peace while Bern and Vier go on their way.

>>34757824
Well I've never seen it, in fact we've countlessly mentioned how JK Rika is just the usual too-passive-for-her-own-good Rika, her biggest flaw throughout the original series as well. Except this time it isn't even over a life or death scenario like the old times (or so she thinks), so she's a bit more justified here.

>>34757855
>Bern and Vier go on their way
How does Vier fit into this?

>>34757889
She's the witch who is/becomes Lambdadelta. A meta being after escaping from the Ciconia gameboard.

>>34757899
Any proof to back up that claim?
That's the first I've heard of that theory.

>>34757909
Eua calls Satoko "Vier".
Eua says the last time they met was in the world of the red sea (obviously not the Higu board and probably not the meta world either).
Vier looped for hundreds of millions of times (fits Lambda's backstory).

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>>34757858
That's the thing, Rika being Rika is not gonna make things better. I don't think either Rika or Satoko can be forced to change to make the other one happy. And I think Satoko is determined to break Rika because she sees that her perception of her was actually fairly wrong, and there's no other way than by fucking with her psychologically.

>>34757962
Hanyuu is the best! But only for who is best as Keiichi's wife!

>>34757935
Eua calls Satoko a lot of names related to 34, nowhere does she say that 'Vier turned into Lambdadelta' though.
Looping for millions of times (obviously a hyperbole) fits Satoko, Takano and Lamb. We don't know much about Vier yet, and her behavior is not even close to Lambdadelta's.
They may be related through the 34, but assuming a timeline by throwing random pieces of infromation together is rather presumptious.

>>34757858
What does the JK stand for? I've seen it a couple of times now but I always read it as Jedi Knight Rika.

>>34757991
>Eua calls Satoko a lot of names related to 34, nowhere does she say that 'Vier turned into Lambdadelta' though.
It's inferred from the information we have from Umineko.
>Looping for millions of times (obviously a hyperbole) fits Satoko, Takano and Lamb.
Satoko and Takano looped zero times before Gou.
>We don't know much about Vier yet, and her behavior is not even close to Lambdadelta's.
Eua also said that Vier must have forgotten about herself during the loops.

>>34757839
>As I said, Tataridamashi's ending must have shown Satoko that being with Keiichi is a dead-end for some reason.
Bullshit, as said before, Minagoroshi's only problem was Miyo. Ooishi didn't go crazy there, you are pulling stuff out of your ass as an argument.
>If you inject someone at L1, they go L3. If you inject someone at L3, they go L5.
They do? I don't remember that part. Link me the scene seeing as how I graciously went to search for the manga page for you.
>The point is to make someone unexpected go L5 so Rika's solutions don't work anymore
Obviously, but you're bringing up the fact that memory leaks are uncontrollable (they're not, they have triggers and Satoko knows about them, she can also bypass them completely as shown by nekodamashi), yet the arcs always go without the leaks preventing Rika's deaths anyway.
>Rika died before she could remember the tragedy.
And? She knows that even though Keiichi gave the doll to Mion, Shion and Keiichi still went to the ritual shrine, which is why she gets pissy at Keiichi and says he should have stayed at the festival and now we're all gonna die.
>I mean that's why being with Keiichi is impossible.
How so? Keiichi doesn't remember or has seen anything that would hinder his relationship with Satoko. Again, Minagoroshi is an example where she could have aimed for his dick if she wanted to and nobody went crazy in it, only problem was Takano.
>She was angry, then she cried.
She gritted her teeth, is that it? Seems perfectly appropriate to me given that she's supposed to be trying to gather the strength to ask for help. Hindsight is 20/20, you knowing the truth is affecting your perception of her expressions I think.
>R07 said Ooishi wasn't injected. Ooishi and Teppei would be related.
Well as said before you don't need injections to make someone go crazy, see: Tsumihoroboshi.
>He was not nii-nii back then.
Oh my god you're THAT guy from before. ANY Keiichi can become a "nii nii", Keiichi becomes nii nii because of who he is, not because of what only could happen one time, considering it's happened multiple times. If she fell in love with Keiichi, she would have tried to get him in other worlds too, it's not like she forgot about what he did and what he COULD do.

Plus this is you admitting that he doesn't love Keiichi, only a superficial part, and that she indeed went back to being gay for Rika anyway.

>As I said, something must have happened that made her realize it's impossible to be with Keiichi. Probably memory leaks.
Shut up with the memory leaks, they wouldn't make him hate Satoko because all he's ever seen is Satoko being an angel. And again, Minagoroshi is proof that the exact same scenario of Tataridamashi can happen without there being an unavoidable dead end, and you're kidding yourself if the goddamn kitchen scene where Rika tells Keiichi that he's Satoko's new nii nii is all that matters (or that it can't be easily replicated).
>If anything triggers Keiichi, he goes L5 quickly even without H173.
But I thought these memory leaks of yours were the reason Keiichi was a dead end? Whatever happened to that? How come they don't prevent him from going crazy this time like they've done before?

Also don't just ignore the manga page I posted, it's proof of someone blushing when they didn't need to. That whole bullshit about muh blush just went out the window.

>>34757979
Did you make that awful pasta?

>>34758001
just kidding.

>>34757976
I mean duh? Satoko is trying to change Rika, hardcore. I'd say completely gaslighting her and warping her life goals is a pretty big change. Satoko likes the Rika she knew, she thinks JK Rika went bad and betrayed her, and is what she's trying to prevent.

And Satoko does succeed, all she wanted was to stay with Rika in Hinamizawa. But thing is, Rika found out afterwards. As far as we're concerned they'd have stayed happy together otherwise. Rika seemed extremely gaslit at first after all.

>>34758009
>Bullshit, as said before, Minagoroshi's only problem was Miyo. Ooishi didn't go crazy there, you are pulling stuff out of your ass as an argument.
Did you watch the show? Keiichi's been acting really sus the entire season.
>They do? I don't remember that part. Link me the scene seeing as how I graciously went to search for the manga page for you.
It's a retcon from Gou. Rewatch episode 24 then reread the part in Minagoroshi where Takano is about to inject Tomitake.
>but you're bringing up the fact that memory leaks are uncontrollable (they're not, they have triggers and Satoko knows about them, she can also bypass them completely as shown by nekodamashi)
Satoko does not rely on memory leaks. She takes them into account but the rules for them seem to have changed too with Gou.
>And? She knows that even though Keiichi gave the doll to Mion, Shion and Keiichi still went to the ritual shrine, which is why she gets pissy at Keiichi and says he should have stayed at the festival and now we're all gonna die.
Mion going L5 is something she never got to experience.
>Shut up with the memory leaks, they wouldn't make him hate Satoko because all he's ever seen is Satoko being an angel.
They will make him a killer though.
>But I thought these memory leaks of yours were the reason Keiichi was a dead end? Whatever happened to that? How come they don't prevent him from going crazy this time like they've done before?
Satoko is deliberately avoiding all of them in Neko-6.
>Also don't just ignore the manga page I posted, it's proof of someone blushing when they didn't need to. That whole bullshit about muh blush just went out the window.
I don't have a good enough grasp on Meakashi so I can't argue about that right now.

>>34758005
>It's inferred from the information we have from Umineko.
The information inferred from Umineko makes Takano or, more probable, Gou Satoko out to be Lambdadelta's original piece. How can you read Umineko and get the idea that lambdadelta is Vier before thinking of the two obvious choices?
>Satoko and Takano looped zero times before Gou.
They looped dozens of times unconsciously alongside Rika. Vier presumably never looped as far as we're concerned. Could change depending on new information from following phases though.

I love this endless argument between people who can't decide what's better for Satoko: dick or pussy

>>34758014
Nah. I just quite enjoy the two of them together. It's cute! But I'd never want other characters to suffer just so they can be together. That's just being an asshole.

>>34758047
>The information inferred from Umineko makes Takano or, more probable, Gou Satoko out to be Lambdadelta's original piece. How can you read Umineko and get the idea that lambdadelta is Vier before thinking of the two obvious choices?
Bern is born from the Higu board. We know she already exists by the end of the VN. We also know that Takano isn't Lambda. Do the math.
>Vier presumably never looped as far as we're concerned. Could change depending on new information from following phases though.
We're only in phase 1.

I wanna kill myself but I'm too much of a pussy to go through with it

>>34758060
>We also know that Takano isn't Lambda. Do the math.
Yeah, that's why I wrote Satoko is more likely to become Lambdadelta. Do the math.

>>34758076
Lambdadelta already existed before Higurashi though. It's her game that created Bern after all and Bern already exists by the end of the VN.

>>34758061
Don't, I have to dunk on you or I'll kill myself

>>34758093
I'm 5'7", you shouldn't have any problems dunking on me

>>34758101
How's the weather down there?

>>34758101
But you can use a stool though

>>34758087
That's just your headcanon. As far as we're concerned, "Bern" just exists as a concept inside of Rika's mind by Matsuribayashi.
If Higurashi Sotsu is a Bern origin story, what basically everyone here expects at this point, Bern would have been created as a witch through Satoko's/Lambdadelta's game.

>>34758001
they're japanese words just google it

>>34758110
Great, thanks

>>34758043
>Did you watch the show? Keiichi's been acting really sus the entire season.
Are we really going there dude? Keiichi's an unreliable narrator now?
>It's a retcon from Gou. Rewatch episode 24 then reread the part in Minagoroshi where Takano is about to inject Tomitake.
I don't have the episodes downloaded, link me the scene just like I posted the goddamn manga page for you.
>Satoko does not rely on memory leaks. She takes them into account but the rules for them seem to have changed too with Gou.
It's not relying so much as taking them into account, if it weren't for memory leaks, Keiichi would have gone crazy in Tataridamashi. Same as in Minagoroshi where he admits to his friends that he was planning how to murder Teppei before the memory leak hit him like a brick.
>Mion going L5 is something she never got to experience.
Yes that's the point, what matters is that Rika still "lost", it's part of her gaslighting, making her think she's cursed no matter what she does even if she should be going through the same old arcs from before.
>They will make him a killer though.
What are you pulling out of your ass this time?
>Satoko is deliberately avoiding all of them in Neko-6.
So you admit Satoko knows about them and aren't unpredictable, why the backpedalling? Where did the dead end go?
>I don't have a good enough grasp on Meakashi so I can't argue about that right now.
All you need to know is that Shion was faking it and lying through her teeth 100%, so whatever Satoko does over the phone is irrelevant as well.

>>34758117
>"Bern" just exists as a concept inside of Rika's mind by Matsuribayashi.
And as a being who asks Miyo whether she wants to live or die sometime around the 1950's.

>>34758087
The name Bernkastel was only created in Saikoroshi, in-universe. The same Saikoroshi that has been ignored by Gou...

(Yeah, I know the manga has ii differently, but even the Saikoroshi manga ignored that, so I doubt Gou is suddenly sticking to the manga above the VN).

>>34758052
what about dickpussy
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>>34758101
>5'7
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>>34757756
Good find bro, saved it.

>>34758126
That was the witch "Bernkastel" who jumps fragments with no regard to time or space. Obviously.
What's your point here? Rika wasn't even born by then.

>>34758123
>Are we really going there dude? Keiichi's an unreliable narrator now?
He had a memory leak of killing Rena and Mion in episode 1 already. Twice.
>I don't have the episodes downloaded, link me the scene just like I posted the goddamn manga page for you.
The download them or stream them.
>It's not relying so much as taking them into account, if it weren't for memory leaks, Keiichi would have gone crazy in Tataridamashi. Same as in Minagoroshi where he admits to his friends that he was planning how to murder Teppei before the memory leak hit him like a brick.
Those are the memory leaks Satoko takes into account. But the rules for them have changed too.
>Yes that's the point, what matters is that Rika still "lost", it's part of her gaslighting, making her think she's cursed no matter what she does even if she should be going through the same old arcs from before.
Why is Mion going L5 even needed then?
>So you admit Satoko knows about them and aren't unpredictable, why the backpedalling? Where did the dead end go?
By Neko-6, she does. But not before Neko-1.

>>34758129
The manga shows Bernkastel as a distinct being in the sea of fragments by Minagoroshi already.

>>34758152
So you want to use the manga as proof for something that hasn't been confirmed by any VN and was ignored by the anime sequel?
Leave that shit to Umineko discussions.

>>34758152
She outright says she's a different personality in the page right after she first introduces herself as a different person though, so it's mostly a mindscape scene.

The name Bernkastel existing before Saikoroshi still turned out to be a fuck up either way though since the Saikoroshi manga itself ignored that.

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>>34758145
>He had a memory leak of killing Rena and Mion in episode 1 already. Twice.
Yes, what about it?
>The download them or stream them.
Find me the link and I will, don't waste my time just like how you didn't waste yours.
>Those are the memory leaks Satoko takes into account.
So she can control them happening, meaning they're not uncontrollable as you said. What different rules? They don't happen any differently from the original series.
>Why is Mion going L5 even needed then?
??
What do you mean why? Shion ISN'T the one going crazy as far as we're concerned, who the hell's gonna kill Rika then? Satoko has to spice things up and change the events, whatever way she feels like doing it doesn't matter. If anything making Mion crazy is a safe bet for Rika not getting suspicious and dodging her way out of death, because Rika would never suspect Mion.
>By Neko-6, she does. But not before Neko-1.
Course she does, the people with memory leaks are conveniently non targeted. Neko's arcs are new to Rika so she has no way of knowing what to do, nor would the characters have memories of past versions of them like Keiichi because they never experienced them before.

>>34758252
>Find me the link and I will
Not him, but I usually stream from 9anime.to when I'm too lazy to download.
https://9anime.to/watch/higurashi-when-they-cry-gou.zm6l/ep-1

>>34758292
Nevermind I watched it already, where the hell does l1-l3, l3-l5 come from? Is it because the plan stated (trick tomitake) is different from what actually ends up happening (force tomitake)? We know Takano likes him a lot and Matsuri is her desperately trying to convince him to join her so that he doesn't have to die, if she didn't, she'd inject his ass right then and there.

>>34755799
Yeah you're right, it would be pretty hackish and BS for Battler to suddenly become the villain like that